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Old 02-24-2012, 05:44 PM
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Resonance is when you disconnect power supply and circuit is still running
That is called "self running"

The resonance happens when you put minimum energy for maximum effect.
That can be done with brute force too, just you will need to put much more energy for same effect..
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AFAIK Don's Last Golden Egg




Don is the MASTER.

He simplified it down to what is right before our eyes.

THE EARTH IS A SUPER CAPACITOR!

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Don is the MASTER.

He simplified it down to what is right before our eyes.

THE EARTH IS A SUPER CAPACITOR!

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damn this is good stuff, thanks man
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If anyone doesn't have a working model of this then in Dons mind you should consider yourself below the "Moron" comprehension level. A show of hands please.... do you have a working AEG?

I have to admit, though, it gave me an idea for another 3 plate cap....
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well....... Zilano posted Don Smith schematic regarding this type of energy device and I posted how it should work based on electrostatic induction....
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I was simply pointing out the arrogance don was showing when he wrote that. I don't consider anyone here a "Moron", what ever the definition of such a person would be.

I believe everyone here has built one whether you think of it as a Don device or not ... I believe it's called an AV plug, when touched to a metal plate in close proximity to a resonant coil it will light the led, although in most cases the LED will light in close proximity to the coil as well.
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Don is the MASTER.

He simplified it down to what is right before our eyes.

THE EARTH IS A SUPER CAPACITOR!

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Ok lets look at what he is saying. If we take a capacitor then apply an input
to one side then we can take an output from the other side, ok sounds fair so
far. But then he starts to say some strange things.

Like this.
" The second side capture's ambient energy and will on it's own maintain it's
charge even though there is an energy passing through the outlet".
10 points to anyone who can properly decipher that sentence.

Ummm that makes no sense. the output of a capacitor is equal to it's input. It
will only maintain it's charge if no output is taken.

And this
"The device does not deplete if only the output side is used"
Another doosey sentence. How does that even make sense ?

Another 10 points to anyone whop can decipher that sentence.

He seems to be talking like he doesn't need to charge his caps. When I see
the demonstration of his capacitor with the hand held Tesla coil I see him
putting a continuous input into one side and I see the same output at the
other side. The input he provides is lost. Nothing is gained in that demonstration.

His table top device above shows he used two 100 nF caps in parallel on the
primary tank, if they were discharged at 20 000 Khz from 2000 volts then that
would give a good indication of the input power to that device, work it out.

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Using this program, (uncheck all the extra's if you install it)

I go to the charge in a capacitor section and input 2000 volts then in the
capacitance value section I put 200 nF, it tells me that a 200 nF capacitor
charged to 2000 volts holds 0.4 of a joule. I multiply that by 20000 for the
discharge frequency and I get an answer of 8000 joules per second or 8 kW.
If I multiply it by 40000 for a discharge frequency of 40 Khz I get 16000 joules
per second or 16 kW.

So it definitely looks like a 10 kilowatt device to me.

I don't see how he could use such big caps on the primary tank without the input becoming significant.

Feel free to correct me. Maybe I'm overlooking something.

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This is how I see it used in his explanation. A signal/voltage has to be input to the "A" and maintained at a frequency that the output inductance and capacitance would allow resonance. I don't see the "storage" of the capacitor even coming into play since we are simply pulsing the plates.
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This is how I see it used in his explanation. A signal/voltage has to be input to the "A" and maintained at a frequency that the output inductance and capacitance would allow resonance. I don't see the "storage" of the capacitor even coming into play since we are simply pulsing the plates.
Well, that`s the same way I thought about it.
But once I get myself a HV HF source I will try it out.For now I have no means to do it.
Dragon, your setup as pictured with those power bulbs around was an interesting incarnation.
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Don is the MASTER.

He simplified it down to what is right before our eyes.

THE EARTH IS A SUPER CAPACITOR!

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His description is not clear. Do you think he means this?
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Using this program, (uncheck all the extra's if you install it)

I go to the charge in a capacitor section and input 2000 volts then in the
capacitance value section I put 200 nF, it tells me that a 200 nF capacitor
charged to 2000 volts holds 0.4 of a joule. I multiply that by 20000 for the
discharge frequency and I get an answer of 8000 joules per second or 8 kW.
If I multiply it by 40000 for a discharge frequency of 40 Khz I get 16000 joules
per second or 16 kW.

So it definitely looks like a 10 kilowatt device to me.

I don't see how he could use such big caps on the primary tank without the input becoming significant.

Feel free to correct me. Maybe I'm overlooking something.

Cheers
Punching the numbers into my spread sheet this is what I see with the primary circuit... It could reach as high as 94 amps circulating in the tank... if it was "perfectly" tuned and resistance was exceptionally low that circuit would require less than 100 ma to maintain that amount of circulation. The next problem is getting the secondary coil(s) to not affect the primary and reflect some of the energy back to the primary while driving a load.

The only way this can happen is if the secondary coil has a set unchangeable inductance - that is it cannot change because of load. How can you accomplish this? You know the answer to this... you just don't know you know it....
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Or does he mean this?
This is how I believe it should be read.

The transformer should be attached after the output diode B

The input A needs to be a certain voltage and capacitor has to be conditioned with some scalar before it will allow the earth connection at A to be disconnected and continue as a floating connection.

It reminds me of two things:

1. A transistor base terminal, collector and emitter and a transistor will oscillate at its own resonant frequency.

2. The earth as a capacitor. Only it is round so doens't need diodes to give and receive unlimited energy???

Its extremely clever! I'm looking forward to someone posting one working, so the rest of us can have a clue!

I like the sound of a shoebox capacatior with 400,000 watts!

I'll have a dig around on my Don Smith folder and see what I find next!

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After watching the video, and the way Don explains it, the device he has assembled to show us this amazing effect is...... wait for it....... a capacitor ! He shows us that when AC is applied to one side a voltage occurs on the other and is shown by bringing the earth ground in close proximity of the second plate. He calls the output side alternating DC... isn't that AC? Ummmm.... am I missing something here? Apply that to tesla's patent 685,957 then you have your ambient generator.

Edit; Being skeptical as I am but also open minded to the possibility I'm missing something, I proceeded with a test of a 2 plate capacitor as shown in the video. Applying an AC input to one plate at 1mhz results in a 1mhz AC sine wave output on the second plate as expected. Connecting an AV plug to the second plate will produce a DC output also as expected. Will the output be in excess of the input if run through a transformer and back to the plate through an AV and 2 separate grounds? Being the curious person I am I will find out but I believe I already know the answer to that... Maybe I'm wrong...
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Pulsed DC to Cap .... Coil self Capacitance ?

Hello everybody
In this movie they again talk about Pulsed DC to the capacitor plates and putting a load on it ... at 54 min. 20 sec. Don Smith Free Energy
I put some info together in this online doc.
Donzelina 2012
I am stil wondering myself also how it will work ...
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Hello everybody
In this movie they again talk about Pulsed DC to the capacitor plates and putting a load on it ... at 54 min. 20 sec. Don Smith Free Energy
I put some info together in this online doc.
Donzelina 2012
I am stil wondering myself also how it will work ...
Im glad to see that Don Smith video i put up is still working after all these years!

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Im glad to see that Don Smith video i put up is still working after all these years! 36,699 viewings
Yes Wonderful Bolt1 I am also very Grateful and Happy .
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Do you think this is the circuit Don meant?

I have attatched an Oliver Lodge experiment from the 1890's in which he found that a spark gap was more than duplicated at the point of a reflected wave. An earth ground acts in a similar way in that it cases a standing wave. Lodge found that the length of wire had to be tuned to the wavelength of the spark gap input.

C'mon GUYS and gals... This has got to be a big clue...
Help me here....
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Hi Guruji,
confusing - bank of capacitors at L1?
Usually small capacitors are suffitient in order to get resonance with L2. At my setupt it was exactly 400 pF.
Another question: serial or parallel spark gap?
Schematic will be helful.
Yes my bank is on L1 cause I need high voltage with my ZVS driver although I have low microfarads on t
Parallel spark gap to driver as shown
Posted schematic
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Hi Guruji, you need to determine the resonant frequency of L2 while it is
attached to it's load if it has one, then you need to determine the L1 tank
capacitor value, you can do that like this- just say your L2 resonant
frequency is 200 Khz and your L1 has 30 uH inductance, then to make the
primary resonant at 200 Khz you would need about 21110 pF or 21.11 nF so
(use 22 nF), if the primary has 60 uH you would need about 10.55 nF (use 11nF)
to make it resonant at 200 Khz. If adding the correct capacitance to the L1
tank reduces the spark frequency too much then you will need either,- more input power , more
turns in the primary ( to lessen the capacitance needed ), less turns in the
secondary ( to lessen the capacitance needed), or maybe making the spark
gap narrower to increase the discharge frequency could work for you.

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If the cap size is right the spark gap won't fire at the wrong time, so once you
have the correct cap in place then all you need to do is get the discharge
frequency high enough to maintain the tank oscillations enough to keep the L2
oscillating continuously. If the cap you are adding is the correct size then I
think you either need to reduce the spark gap distance or increase input power, if
that's not possible then you might need to take action to alter the setup so
that the L1 cap only need be small.

Having the primary 1/4 the length of the secondary will not guarantee
resonance, nor will any other arbitrary method in my opinion, the L1 tank cap
at the least will need to be sized to produce together with the L1 (primary coil) a Tank
oscillation frequency to match the resonant frequency of the L2 (secondary).

Cheers

P.S. If you use magnets to quench the spark gap that may increase the
breakdown voltage of a given gap width. Air flowing through the gap will
increase the breakdown voltage of a given gap quite a bit so if there is wind it
might need to be kept out of the spark gap especially if it is intermittent like
from a pedestal fan on rotate.

..
Thanks for this info Farmhand yes I will try to find the resonant frequency of coils. The thing is that I saw vids lighting bulbs even out of resonance.
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Old 02-25-2012, 01:23 PM
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Watch again this electrostatic induction - YouTube
This is what Don Smith converted into electrical device based on Tesla radiant energy patent.
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Old 02-25-2012, 02:32 PM
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Watch again this electrostatic induction - YouTube
This is what Don Smith converted into electrical device based on Tesla radiant energy patent.
I posted that video in another thread as well as this one and on overunity some time ago, it is an excellent learning guide.

After tossing around ideas about Dons cap I realized I've tested this in another form last year. Again using a 3 plate capacitor and a tuned output.... this does work...

The first one I built and tested last year, the second one is basically the same in it's simplest form...

The advantage of the 3 plate collection is that the actual signal can be sent into a small capacitance and stored on the larger plates. When the energy builds to a level depicted by the gap adjustment the energy is discharged into a tank circuit. It makes no difference with the oscillator if the plates are charged or not it operates as if it were simply a small cap.

The way don shows it it wouldn't matter if the cap could store 1 watt or a million watts you can't access the stored energy from one plate. You can pump energy through the AV on one plate but that sort of defeats the purpose I would think....
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Here is one of very convincing theories about ancient Egypt and Nicola Tesla:

The secrets hidden in the pyramids of Egypt (Harun Yahya) - YouTube

If you can disprove it, please do so..
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Several years ago on the EVGRAY forum there was a person who developed a Tesla Switch using capacitors instead of batteries which operated very well using the principle of capacitative induction, where as long as you could supply a steady potential to one side of the top capacitor, then there would be a usable potential induced in the capacitor dielectric and switched between bottom capacitors. I don't recall all the details very well, but I remember that hardly any input power was required - just enought to maintain the potential difference in the top capacitor (which was not dumped out or used in any other way except to maintain a potential difference).

Perhaps this principle of inducing power through a capacitor (electrostatic induction?) that pulls power (of whatever kind) up from the ground through the bottom capacitor is similar to the operating principle behind Don Smith's circuit?

Anyone here remember this from EVGRAY?
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Kenssurplus: I believe there is something to this, or at the very least I'd like to believe there is. I can see it working in my mind but I can't see it with clarity... like the answer is right on the tip of the tongue type situation. From past experiments with charged HV metal caps the energy can be felt although it's more static.

I've set up several small experiments to investigate but I've found no real answers as yet - nothing I feel satisfied with.

T1000: Excellent video ! I've watched one like it in the past where they were comparing the Tesla towers to the pyramids. Definitely gives one plenty to think about....
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NST help

Hey guys, First let me say thanks for all the info you guys have collected! I have been following this thread for some time and have decided to join in!
I have only had my device running a few times, I cant seem to keep an NST on.
So
I have unpotted on of them and want to make my own circuit for it, but Im not having any luck yet. So here are some pics of my device and the NST that I have unpotted. The hand drawn pic is what I think is going on in the transformer part of the NST.
When it did run, I was able to light a 50 watt halogen bulb quite easily, so Im very interested in this device and help would be appreciated.

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If I have my coils set up to resonate at 3.5 Mhz, how often would I have to push that with the spark gap to keep it going? And is there a practical limit as to how fast you can fire and quench a spark gap?
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After watching the video, and the way Don explains it, the device he has assembled to show us this amazing effect is...... wait for it....... a capacitor ! He shows us that when AC is applied to one side a voltage occurs on the other and is shown by bringing the earth ground in close proximity of the second plate. He calls the output side alternating DC... isn't that AC? Ummmm.... am I missing something here? Apply that to tesla's patent 685,957 then you have your ambient generator.

Edit; Being skeptical as I am but also open minded to the possibility I'm missing something, I proceeded with a test of a 2 plate capacitor as shown in the video. Applying an AC input to one plate at 1mhz results in a 1mhz AC sine wave output on the second plate as expected. Connecting an AV plug to the second plate will produce a DC output also as expected. Will the output be in excess of the input if run through a transformer and back to the plate through an AV and 2 separate grounds? Being the curious person I am I will find out but I believe I already know the answer to that... Maybe I'm wrong...
You got it!
We need to put together all notions available. Therefore consult Utkin - he describes this setup and tells us what the misiing part is.
Apart that read the recent Utkin paper. He talks about special capacitor behaviour. It gives some more light but Utkin is very sparse with words an I amstill pondering what he tries to tell us exactly.
He shows what happens if the capacitor plates are of different size......
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