Energetic Forum  
Facebook Twitter Google+ Pinterest LinkedIn Delicious Digg Reddit WordPress StumbleUpon Tumblr Translate Addthis Aaron Murakami YouTube 2019 ENERGY CONFERENCE - ONLY 150 118 99 76 SEATS AVAILABLE!

2019 Energy Science & Technology Conference
ONLY 150 118 99 76 SEATS AVAILABLE - LIMITED SEATING
Get your tickets now: http://energyscienceconference.com


Go Back   Energetic Forum > >
   

Renewable Energy Discussion on various alternative energy, renewable energy, & free energy technologies. Also any discussion about the environment, global warming, and other related topics are welcome here.

* NEW * BEDINI RPX BOOK & DVD SET: BEDINI RPX

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 04-02-2009, 08:19 PM
Stealth Stealth is online now
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 535
Magnetic water softener

I am in the process of putting together a water softener system using magnets. I read where Barium ferrite was best for this purpose, but also is highly toxic in nature. Could other magnets work just as well, or should I go ahead and use Barium ferrrite magnets for this project?
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links

Download SOLAR SECRETS by Peter Lindemann
Free - Get it now: Solar Secrets

  #2  
Old 04-02-2009, 10:30 PM
lighty's Avatar
lighty lighty is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Croatia
Posts: 388
Why would a magnet be toxic if it's not in the direct contact with water? Use plastic or brass for your setup and put magnets around them.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 04-03-2009, 02:07 AM
amigo's Avatar
amigo amigo is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 744
Could you please give us more information about your setup? When you say "water softener" what does that refer to?
__________________
Are the ravings of a lunatic signs of a genius?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 04-03-2009, 12:09 PM
lighty's Avatar
lighty lighty is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Croatia
Posts: 388
He most probably wants to reduce calcium-carbonate deposits in his water pipes. At least that's what water softening usually means.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 04-03-2009, 07:03 PM
Stealth Stealth is online now
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 535
Yes, lighty is correct. It involves using magnets with North opposed toward pipes. This reduces cacium deposits and also makes the water softer to allow less use of detergents and soap for cleaning purposes. It also reduces chlorine and other bad taste from the water.
__________________
 

Last edited by Stealth; 04-03-2009 at 07:09 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 04-03-2009, 07:18 PM
wpage's Avatar
wpage wpage is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Stouts Creek
Posts: 653
Design

Steath,
Sounds interesting. Can you post a diagram
__________________
"But ye shall receive power..."
Acts 1:8
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 04-03-2009, 07:47 PM
Stealth Stealth is online now
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 535
Just found this site where you can also buy one. Applied Magnets : Magnetic Water Treatment - discount wholesale prices. They also have wind generator kits you can build yourself. Stealth
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 04-04-2009, 10:27 PM
amigo's Avatar
amigo amigo is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 744
I always wanted to try that as water here is terrible on the skin (very hard).

I even bought a chlorine filter on eBay for the shower head, but perhaps placing couple of magnets on the pipe couldn't hurt either.

So, do we use the strongest Neodymium magnets or would other kinds do as well?
__________________
Are the ravings of a lunatic signs of a genius?
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 04-05-2009, 12:39 AM
Stealth Stealth is online now
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 535
The magnetic water softeners on the Allied magnetic website uses stronger N42 rare earth magnets for theirs. From what I read Barium ferrite is best, but maybe it don't matter as long as north is facing the pipe and each other. Good Luck. Stealth
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 04-05-2009, 06:15 PM
amigo's Avatar
amigo amigo is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 744
Hmm...

Why would BaFe be better than Neodymium ones though, if all it's required is a magnetic field?

I would think that Neodymium magnets being stronger than BaFe would be better even?

Is there something else that would affect the Water beside the magnetic field, though magnet is not really in contact with the Water so its composition can't really matter?
__________________
Are the ravings of a lunatic signs of a genius?
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 04-05-2009, 07:35 PM
lighty's Avatar
lighty lighty is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Croatia
Posts: 388
Water softening is all nice and well, but not all water solutions are reacting the same way so for a certain composition of soluble stuff in water it will work great for other one it won't do almost anything.
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #12  
Old 04-06-2009, 02:37 AM
Andy44 Andy44 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 3
Question Magnet water softener

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stealth View Post
I am in the process of putting together a water softener system using magnets. I read where Barium ferrite was best for this purpose, but also is highly toxic in nature. Could other magnets work just as well, or should I go ahead and use Barium ferrrite magnets for this project?
I understand how a water softener works. The hardness is removed from the water when it passes through a mineral bed inside the softener unit, then after so long a period it needs to be back washed with a salt solution (brine) to re-new the mineral. But what I don't understand is with the magnets, where does the hardness (calcium carbinate) go except through the water pipes? Does the hardness in the water get vaporized or broken down so small you don't know it's their. Or does it collect around the magnets and eventially plug up the water pipes. It seems like it has to go somewhere. I'm just trying to understand the theory behind the magnet water softener.

Andy44
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 04-06-2009, 05:33 AM
lighty's Avatar
lighty lighty is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Croatia
Posts: 388
It seems that molecules of calcium-carbonate are re-polarized in such way as to not allow clumping into bigger groups. So molecules of calcium-carbonate are still in the water but they're much less likely to produce significant deposits in water tubes.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 04-06-2009, 04:31 PM
Stealth Stealth is online now
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 535
Yes. It works the same way on a water pipe as it would on a gasoline line going to your car engine. It breaks down all particles into smaller particles so that they are less likely to cause any clumping together. On a water pipe, it would make a difference what type of pipe material you are using(plastic, copper, iron, etc.), as to how effective this magnetic water softener would work. Plastic should not hinder the system at all. As soon as I get mine installed, I will let you know how well it works, and what magnets I used to achieve success. I may have to experiment some to find the correct length,width,and thickness that works best. Good Luck
Stealth
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 04-07-2009, 01:16 AM
amigo's Avatar
amigo amigo is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 744
See, I still don't get it...

Calcium-Carbonate sedimentation in pipes is really irrelevant to me. The point of softening the water in general is so it has a mild effect on your skin, as hard water is terrible to bathe with (it's good for drinking though).

So this magnet stuff will not truly soften the water, it will be the same old hard water that would irritate the skin...hum.
__________________
Are the ravings of a lunatic signs of a genius?
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 04-07-2009, 03:04 AM
sucahyo's Avatar
sucahyo sucahyo is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 3,073
Interesting, I just learning what water softening is. It is interesting how a magnet can change the property of water. If magnet purposes is to attact / repel something inside water. I think it is more effective to make a water splitter, where magnetic content is directed to different output.

If magnet purposes is to change the property of water it self, it may be better to flow the water around more in magnetic flux.

But, I think magnetic can also be replaced with physical process too, involving water self spinning.


Johansson Et Al - Self-Organizing Flow Technology - In Viktor Schauberger's Footsteps (2002)
Quote:
At an experiment at Paltrask water supply in 1990, Aquagyro discovered that their agitator seemed to facilitate precipitation of iron and manganese ions [7]. An hyperbolic vessel of the height of about 1m, with an Aquagyro stirring device inside, had been placed in a tank with the volume of 3m3. During the treatment precipitated iron could be observed in the tank. At the following filtration of the water in a gravel filter, manganese ions precipitated to a large extent, which the traditional treatment (with compressed air) didn't achieve. The iron concentration of the treated water at analysis was found to be the same as that of untreated water, but iron in the sample didn't precipitate when subjected to pressure airing, which was considered remarkable. The humus concentration of the water was high, and it was speculated that iron could have become organically bound.
...
At an earlier experiment at Nordmaling in 1987, a decrease of Mn and NO2 ions had been observed. An experiment at Vistbacken water supply, with its extremely high concentration of iron in the water, had shown an efficient precipitation of iron by the process (more efficient than the traditional pressure airing, as opposed to the results from the experiments at Paltrask) and also a decrease of the manganese concentration [7].
@Amigo, egg shaped container mentioned again .
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 04-07-2009, 04:47 AM
future pather's Avatar
future pather future pather is offline
Energetic Science Practitioner
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: California
Posts: 1,949
I think this is the reason why I've had such trouble with eco friendly automatic dish washing detergents.

I hate to use anything else but it seemed to waste a lot of water re-washing so I gave up a long time ago.

I guess I need to try a water softener.

It seems I'm not alone in my dilemma:

Deseret News | Bootleggers running dish detergent
__________________
Keep your mind on the aether www.PathsToSucceed.com
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 04-08-2009, 02:07 AM
amigo's Avatar
amigo amigo is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 744
Quote:
Originally Posted by sucahyo View Post
@Amigo, egg shaped container mentioned again .
...and I'm still waiting on it myself, but I think I should hear back next week or so to start the process.
__________________
Are the ravings of a lunatic signs of a genius?
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 04-08-2009, 05:22 PM
Stealth Stealth is online now
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 535
Today I installed Radio Shack magnets 2x1x1/2, on each side of my water heater, inlet and outlet. North to North. I drew a cup of water before installing and afterwards. Both were equal size glasses. I then did my tests, taste first, then suds. In taste tests the hard water before beat the softer water hands down. In each glass I put one drop of dishwashing liquid and stirred with a straw. The glass after applying the magnets seems to work better, with about twice as much suds. I am stisfied, so far as to how its working, but now I am wondering is stronger magnets would be even better. I will try some when I get time as resume my tests. I think the Radio Shack magnets are Strontium Ferrite. They are made of ceramic material, but no other composition is stamped on them.
Stealth
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 04-08-2009, 08:59 PM
Mark Mark is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 801
I've heard that soap with less suds will actually clean your clothes better. So I think all you have done is found a way to make more suds. But what do I know
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 04-08-2009, 09:01 PM
Mark Mark is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 801
Why not just run your water thru a charcole filter instead to try and catch the inpurities instead of breaking them up.
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #22  
Old 04-08-2009, 11:06 PM
Stealth Stealth is online now
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 535
I use a whole house charcoal filter, but it does nothing to soften the water. It only takes out dirt,sediment,sand and impurities big enough to be caught in a large micron filter. If you are on public utilities,then you have hard water. They run their water through a gravel pit to remove larger materials, then through sand to remove smaller particles, lastly they run through a lime pit to remove mud. It is this last process that makes your water hard.
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 04-10-2009, 05:56 AM
sigzidfit's Avatar
sigzidfit sigzidfit is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 269
The ground water here is very hard, and causes many problems. Chief among them IMHO is corrosion. It takes about 4 years for it to whack out a hot water heater.

You can wrap a coil of wire around a water pipe and apply electricity to create a magnetic field. My dad uses something like that (and a conventional salt type softener also) and thinks it helps some. If you will google electronic water softener you'll see what I'm talkin about. They are stoopid expensive so if anyone could post a schematic and parts suggestions for a DIY on such a device I'd be very appreciative.

Recently my dad started using PYROLOX which is a filter media that filters iron. So far it seems to be working pretty good.

Another water softening system that looks promising to me is a vortex processing arrangement. Kind of a Viktor Schauberger inspired process.

From what I can tell, with really hard water it takes a combination methods to get much relief.

Peace
PJ
__________________
A Phenomenon is anything which can be apprehended by the senses.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 04-13-2009, 06:37 PM
Stealth Stealth is online now
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 535
Here is a website you might be interesed in DIY Magnetic Water Treatment Good luck.
Stealth
__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 04-15-2009, 05:53 AM
sigzidfit's Avatar
sigzidfit sigzidfit is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 269
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stealth View Post
It works the same way on a water pipe as it would on a gasoline line going to your car engine.
Super FuelMAX & FuelMAX :: Sigma Automotive

Peace
PJ
__________________
A Phenomenon is anything which can be apprehended by the senses.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 04-18-2009, 09:05 PM
amigo's Avatar
amigo amigo is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 744
Last week I was at the surplus store and I bought some N35 Neodymium button magnets to try the water softening. Today I mount them on the copper pipes in my bathroom and took samples of the water before and after.

I did not want to do the taste test myself as I was preconditioned to the ideas about magnets, so I had my girlfriend perform the test.

I gave her to taste the "after" water first and she liked it better than the "before" one, even though I did not tell her which one is which one. She even said she would drink the "after" water if she had to (we generally don't drink our tap water at all).

Next test was with the dish washing liquid, which appeared to dissolve much readily in the "after" water with less foaming and much clearer, larger bubbles than the "before" water that had thick white foam and lots of tiny bubbles.

We'll see tonight when we take the showers how the water feels on the skin for each of us. So far I am enthusiastic about the whole prospect of having such a simple yet effective solution.
__________________
Are the ravings of a lunatic signs of a genius?
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 04-18-2009, 09:07 PM
amigo's Avatar
amigo amigo is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 744
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stealth View Post
Here is a website you might be interesed in DIY Magnetic Water Treatment Good luck.
Stealth
Hmm, in that link they have N-S oriented magnets and not N-N as it was suggested on the first page. Is there a difference you know?
__________________
Are the ravings of a lunatic signs of a genius?
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 04-19-2009, 10:22 PM
Stealth Stealth is online now
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 535
I don't know what the difference would be, as I haven't tried that setup yet. From what I've read about the magnetic water softeners, they seem to work best using a north to north alignment. Maybe they will also work as well in attractant as they do in repellant alignments. I have many more experiments to do on mine before I settle on the best magnets and alignment possible. Experimentation is the only way to know the truth. No experimentation, no matter how dissapointing, is not wasted. You can learn, not only from success, but also from failure. Good Luck. Stealth
__________________
 

Last edited by Stealth; 04-19-2009 at 11:35 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 04-20-2009, 06:21 AM
sucahyo's Avatar
sucahyo sucahyo is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 3,073
Quote:
Originally Posted by amigo View Post
Last week I was at the surplus store and I bought some N35 Neodymium button magnets to try the water softening. Today I mount them on the copper pipes in my bathroom and took samples of the water before and after.
You have copper pipe? how do you join them?

If this can be easily implemented, would you see if it also change the water property if you twisted the water flow? I currently use it for watering flower, but I think the result could only be determined in months. I attach copper with twisted mouth to water hose:

__________________
 
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 04-20-2009, 02:29 PM
amigo's Avatar
amigo amigo is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 744
Quote:
Originally Posted by sucahyo View Post
You have copper pipe? how do you join them?

If this can be easily implemented, would you see if it also change the water property if you twisted the water flow? I currently use it for watering flower, but I think the result could only be determined in months. I attach copper with twisted mouth to water hose:
Unfortunately I can not mess with the water system, as I live in an apartment building and I do not own the infrastructure.

External mods are ok, but changing pipes and stuff is not permitted, afaik.
__________________
Are the ravings of a lunatic signs of a genius?
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



Please consider supporting Energetic Forum with a voluntary monthly subscription.

Choose your voluntary subscription

For one-time donations, please use the below button.


All times are GMT. The time now is 11:36 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO v1.4.0 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Shoutbox provided by vBShout v6.2.8 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
2007-2015 Copyright - Energetic Forum - All Rights Reserved

Bedini RPX Sideband Generator

Tesla Chargers