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Old 11-17-2017, 08:40 AM
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Basic TPU

Questions for y'all.

1. Can a charged inductor be put into a circuit where energy is circulated in the inductor with no loses other than those caused by resistance in the wire in the circuit?

2. When an inductor is pulsed at the correct frequency, is the inductor capable of putting out more than went into it? In other words, at the right frequency, when the coil collapses, is the return of input energy + inductive spike + transient/radiant spike - resistive losses > than the input energy?

3. Can you get energy out of the pulsed inductor above by induction in a secondary inductor, even though it is less than the energy in the primary inductor?

If you believe these things to be true, a circuit can be built that uses its own energy to increase the energy in the circuit while using the energy in the charging and collapsing coil to produce load energy by induction.

To me, that fits the definition of a TPU, although possibly different in construction from the TPU built by others in the past. My question is: "Is it possible?"
What say you, men of science, who think outside the box?
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Old 11-17-2017, 09:24 AM
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I have two 6.5" Toroid core for HF, I have silver wire, I have 3
pulse circuits one with 10 turn pots another connects to my laptop
to adjust on the fly.

If i knew more about what you are saying. Maybe try it

Good to see you still kicking around.
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Old 11-17-2017, 02:35 PM
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Questions for y'all.
Hello Turion,

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1. Can a charged inductor be put into a circuit where energy is circulated in the inductor with no loses other than those caused by resistance in the wire in the circuit?
IMO...I don't think so, besides the resistance on circuit wires (plus any other component as could be semiconductors losses) the charged Inductor is spending its main percentage of input energy on the generation of a Spatial Magnetic Field.

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2. When an inductor is pulsed at the correct frequency, is the inductor capable of putting out more than went into it? In other words, at the right frequency, when the coil collapses, is the return of input energy + inductive spike + transient/radiant spike - resistive losses > than the input energy?
It all depends completely on the "kind of pulse" that is applied to the Inductor...a "normally known" one way (one side) pulse will do all reactions we know about, where current will be Ramping Down at Collapse while voltage swaps polarities...and so, the fact that current is dropping down, voltage spikes/transients etc, could reach higher potential (remember current/voltage work inversely related) therefore, with very low currents, and only "over time" and cap storing we could see a bit higher energy...however, I do not believe Inductor Energy could go above Input over a steady and extended period of time...if it does would be for a very short lapse of time fraction, which I call a sudden and abrupt "Discharge"

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3. Can you get energy out of the pulsed inductor above by induction in a secondary inductor, even though it is less than the energy in the primary inductor?
Yes, I have done exactly that on my development, it all depends on the geometry applied between both Inductors, one would play the "inductor role", while the second one would be the "induced" one, of course, they must share the same core (or both cores seating with very close air gaps) in order that field would induce strongly on secondary one.

And it don't need to be a closed core at all...

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If you believe these things to be true, a circuit can be built that uses its own energy to increase the energy in the circuit while using the energy in the charging and collapsing coil to produce load energy by induction.
Ah...here we go!!...but then you will need to structure your build into two separate circuits or systems...1-Exciters (Inducing System) and 2-Generating Inductors (Induced Output)...where only a small part of the Induced System would retro-feed (self run) the Input Exciting System...

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To me, that fits the definition of a TPU, although possibly different in construction from the TPU built by others in the past. My question is: "Is it possible?"
What say you, men of science, who think outside the box?
I believe so...yes, it is definitively possible...only thing here to realize is that if you believe that the Input exciter circuit is where your full operative regulation of such system is...then we are starting from the wrong approach.

This type of system is fully dependent upon the output coils load, just like an "automatic switch" it will start the Full Output -Exciters will start full process- once this circuit is closed by the Output load...and so, having this important fact in mind...the first part is to proceed to build the self sustaining side, since we have already built the "load" which is our exciting system.

I believe you all know this is nothing new...on a typical rotary generator-for example-...running but no load...exciter is doing nothing to output coils, I mean, a Voltage would be present at output, but with zero currents...then no Lenz drag...However, as soon as you plug any load...Boom, the whole thing gets alive...and Energy is being sent out to satisfy load demand.

Bottom line here is that we have just one Magnetic Circuit-Field(s) at Exciters, which ENGAGES with Output Coils, but ONLY once it is closed by any means of a so called "load"...then it becomes a "Full Magnetically Engaged Operating Circuit"...

Anyways, this is just the way I see this whole thing...I may be right or wrong...only time will tell...so, just my Two Old Copper Pennies here...


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Old 11-17-2017, 03:05 PM
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1) I believe so.

2) In terms of watts/coulombs using voltage and current, I would say no but there is more to this than voltage and current. With voltage and current in an inductor we follow ohms law, but I understand there is something else although I dont understand the equations (Heaveyside). Is it aetheric? some use that term I believe it is another form of electromagnetic energy.

3) Yes. eg If you charge an inductor, to a given amount then let it discharge to a capacitor in an LC circuit, the flow of current does not stop when the inductor becomes discharged but continues until the inductor charges up with the opposite polarity of an equal amount less resistive losses. ie almost double the energy.

Not sure these are the answers you wanted but this is my understanding.

What is not included here is the magnetic field created. This field is the same in force during the discharge and recharge stages and of the same polarity, unlike the electrical charge across the inductor. Double the magnetic field as was paid for in charging the inductor in the first place. Add to this that you will get the opposite magnetic field of almost double the magnitude as the current flows the opposite way in the LC circuit. ie almost 4 times the magnetic energy.

As the magnetic field is at 90 degrees to the current, making it do work does not result in a linear increase in consumption.

If the work it does, is charging another wire we have a second 90 degree shift, possibly making 180 degrees and so opposing the applied current

If the work it does is on a wire at 90 degrees to the first inductor there may be no opposition to the current oscillating in the LC circuit.

Could this be a part of the TPU?

Could the C in the LC circuit be replaced by a second inductor? Could that inductor be at 90 degrees to the primary inductor?

Is this used in the construction of the TPU?

Hope you understand my ramblings
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Old 11-17-2017, 06:20 PM
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I'm at the end of lunch break, so I'll make my response brief for now.
I've been physically tinkering with these exact ideas and researching them close to 10 years. I believe it is all possible, and will explain my reasoning asap in a follow up post. For now, a few things I consider important:

- Resonance in an inductor to minimize losses;
- AV plug to produce unidirectional pulses;
- Open system involving interplay of aether (closed system will never produce COP>1)
- Balance between coils (and caps).

Interesting post a few days ago with info I think may also factor in:
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I am using one wire technology of Avramenko Plug to harvest Inductive kickback or back e.m.f in motionless setup. my unit uses 10W and it is generating 120W+!! This is not the regular way of harvesting back emf of Inductive K.B though because it involves attaining coil resonance which is a must.

The is one other thing that bit involves which I can not share here. To get good just from back emf, use extremely lengthy thick gauge of coated copper wire to make your coil and pulse it at it resonce frequency to turn the coil resistance to Zero!! That is one of the 4 secrets!. You need no high voltage input to the coil. 10Vdc or 36V is okay. Use High capacitance and voltage DC caps in your A.V.Plug to multiply to current and voltage and step it down into a stepdown transformer. Good luck!
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