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Old 03-22-2012, 07:38 PM
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Sheriff Joe Arpaio talked recently on a radio show about his investigation results, and how the mainstream media has all but totally ignored the findings.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio speaks up

Sheriff Joe has received several death threats for his involvement in the investigation of Barry O's forged birth certificate. One person, a Tennessee man described as an Obama “fanatic,” has already been identified, tried, and found guilty for posting a threat saying, "'He will be filled with 1,000 bullet holes before the year is out." Read more about this here.

The investigation turned up far more than was revealed at Sheriff Joe's early March press conference, and much of this is discussed in this video. Quite interestingly, a postman has now been interviewed and has signed an affidavit stating that he delivered mail to the home of Bill Ayers' parents, and that Mary Ayers had told him that she was helping a foreign student from Indonesia to get through college. The postman later met that student at the Ayers home, and it was Barry. That was 1989, and the postman remembered Barry matter of factly stating, "I'm going to be President of the United States." This would have been at the time that Barry was attending Occidental College. Interesting, huh? View a video of the postman interview here.

In another note of interest regarding Barry's highly suspected Selective Service registration, sheriff Joe Arpaio has given the U.S. Selective Service Director Larry Romo 30 days to investigate and release Barry's original Selective Service form for forensic document examiners to analyze. Speaking about this, Joe said, “Failure to register or otherwise comply with the Selective Service registration process is a serious offense. The law says a person who fails to register can end up with a $250,000 fine, five years imprisonment and is ultimately prohibited from holding any job in government.” Read more here.

A further note regarding Barry's forged Selective Service registration:
Sheriff Joe said that although he has forwarded the above noted request to SS director Romo, he doesn't expect much will come from that, seeing as though Romo was appointed by Barry, and that even if Romo takes thge matter seriously and hands it over to the Department of inJustice, Holder is unlikely to pursue this with any real investigation if at all. And that is exactly the same as I see it.

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Why no charges against these crooks?

"Too Crooked To Fail": Matt Taibbi says bailouts, fraud are the secrets to bank of america's success.
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If he was one of 'them', you would think that 'they' would not have to worry about him getting elected. Why is the election fraud against RP becoming more and more rampant?

Whatever the case, he has started a revolution that will be VERY hard to stop.

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I think the establishment Republican machine has amply demonstrated that they aren't about to let Ron Paul win the nomination fairly and squarely. The only way they will let Ron take the nomination at the convention is if establishment Republicans expect it would guarantee a second term for Barry. I know that sounds a bit weird, but it would make sense if one realizes that both parties are operated by the Ruling Class elites and actually have the same goals. By having the media thoroughly brainwash the public into believing that Ron Paul is a nutty old kook, and that his foreign policy objectives would prove to be a disaster, most folks would believe that Barry emerged as the winner after the November elections. Of course all the public opinion polls have shown that RP is the candidate who could most likely be expected to defeat Barry, but since the public has an attention span much like that of a mere gnat, not many in the public realm will remember those polls come November. On the other hand, I do think the establishment Republicans take note of these polls, and you would think that because of it they would be pushing for Ron Paul to win the nomination if they really want a Republican in the White House. So do they or don't they? Romney certainly is unlikely to defeat Barry, because he is too much in line with Barry's Ruling Class agenda. Why change faces, when that's all you are changing? That echoes the same way for Gingrich and Santorum as well, and we already know neither of them can win the nomination. That was well established before the primary season got underway, since both had failed to get on the ballots in several states. So if you ask me why they are still in it I would have to say that the only logical answer is that the Republican establishment definitely wants this to go to a brokered convention, and needs Gingrich and Santorum for two reasons:
1. To draw votes away that would otherwise go to Ron Paul.
2. To have the appearance of drawing enough votes away from Romney to ensure that he can not win the nomination before the convention.

Of course I still think the true Republican candidate will emerge at the convention, and be none of those who have campaigned thus far. I also believe they will insert Marco Rubio in the VP slot, even though they are well aware that Rubio is just as ineligible as Barry, since neither of his parents were American citizens when he was born. Their tactic, of course, is to ensure a landslide win of the Latino vote. Jeb Bush has already endorsed Rubio, and we know that Florida has a huge Latino population. Latino voters are fed up with Barry's broken promises, and what Lation would not vote for a ticket with Rubio knowing that he could very likely emerge as President in another 4 to 8 years, if not sooner.

I also think that RP must stay in on the ballot as an independent, paired with a great VP candidate like Judge Napolitano. Those of us who have supported RP will surely demand it.

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I don'tknow WHAT the Repub party is doing, or why. It DOES seem like they are intent on loosing, by the way they are pushing so hard for Romoney.

I do think a couple of things; many 'party leaders' don't REALLY believe the conservative ideals they express, they just pay 'lip service' to mollify repub voters. In particular, since the country is, and always has been a "center-right" country, I believe that any time a conservative, capable of clearly and competently expressing conservative views goes against the liberal, the conservative will win.THEY don't have such confidence, however.

They look at polls showing an increasing # of 'independents', and believe they have to have a moderate candidate, capable of getting these independents, and even some Dems to vote for them, in order to win. Hence Romoney. They pay 'lip service' to Reagan, and yet these same party leaders, or their predesesors, did everything they could to beat him, in the 76 primaries. They forget about "Reagan Democrats", I guess.

In addition, I guess, back when they were doing their planning, it SEEMED like the economy would be THE issue, so they THOUGHT they could put forth a 1 isue candidate, with phony 'strong' economic credentials, and that would be enough. In short, while you think they are being very clever and devious (and you might be right) its also possible that they are a bunch of idiots. Or, at least made decisions 2-3 years ago (Presidential planning starts, for next campaign, during lead up to inaugeration) which SEEMED like a 'good idea, at the time'.

Certainly we can agree they are either a bunch of idiots, or they planned this thing to loose.

I'm ready to resign my membership in Repub party, and if RP runs as an Independent, would gladly sign on. Would join Tea Party,if they would make clean break from Repubs.

But, I try to remind myself this is all like football or soccer; you 'root' for your team, get frustrated when they fumble, but you don't go out and riot if they loose; its JUST a game. Its for 'entertainment', and shouldn't be taken too seriously. Jim

In addition, all politicians are for sale; they sell themselves for votes, or $ with which to campaign. Romoney obviously spread the $ around, 'buying' endorsements, and 'support'.

In the big scale of things, yeah. Their 2 sides of the same coin; Dems vs. Repubs. But, party that controls the White House means LOTS of cushy jobs, for 'leaders' in that party. Ambassadorships, for instance. Head of executive depts, etc.
Leadership of either house of Congress means appointing members of 'your' party to head committees, where the $ gets doled out (pork). So, each party does want to 'WIN', so they can take their turn, screwing the American people and personally profiting from same.

Anyway, both parties are all *#*#ed up, thats for sure. And, I wouldn't bet, at this point, that B.O. won't get elected to a second term. NOT saying thats what I want, just saying it certainly MAY happen.
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Certainly we can agree they are either a bunch of idiots, or they planned this thing to loose.

But, I try to remind myself this is all like football or soccer; you 'root' for your team, get frustrated when they fumble, but you don't go out and riot if they loose; its JUST a game. Its for 'entertainment', and shouldn't be taken too seriously.

In addition, all politicians are for sale; they sell themselves for votes, or $ with which to campaign. Romoney obviously spread the $ around, 'buying' endorsements, and 'support'.
'In politics, nothing happens by accident.
If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way."

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Yeah, well MAYBE

I just think 'THEY' are going to come up with some pretty elaborate and complicated plan, to effectively turn the U.S. into a dictatorship. Too many "when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers" types in the populace, for "THEM" to get away with it. But, as such a person, maybe thats just me.

Anyone bought a quart of OIL, lately??? News is all about the price of CRUDE, (per barrel) and price of gasoline, per gallon. But when crude goes from say,....$80 per Bbl to $140 per Bbl, and Gasoline goes from $3.00 per gal. to $4.00, why is it that a quart of motor oil goes from (roughly) $3.50 per quart, to $5.50-$6.50, per QUART! Yeah, we know all about manipulation, speculation,etc. but COME ON!!!WHAT a racket!!!Jim
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Anyone bought a quart of OIL, lately??? News is all about the price of CRUDE, (per barrel) and price of gasoline, per gallon. But when crude goes from say,....$80 per Bbl to $140 per Bbl, and Gasoline goes from $3.00 per gal. to $4.00, why is it that a quart of motor oil goes from (roughly) $3.50 per quart, to $5.50-$6.50, per QUART! Yeah, we know all about manipulation, speculation,etc. but COME ON!!!WHAT a racket!!!Jim
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I buy only American made synthetic oil from Amsoil.

It can cost $6-8 per quart but you can get the 10k or 25k oil filter from Amsoil - for me, I can change my oil once a year - and depending, you can just replace the filter and just top up any oil that is needed without doing a full oil change.

More expensive up front but save money in the long run and is American made.

They even have the filters that clean the oil so well it is like having an oil change while driving your car/truck, etc... the coil coming out is 99.9% analytically clean.

Can put it in a big semi for example and the oil is good for 100k miles!

Petroleum oil for lubricating purposes in engines is junk and is very bad for performance and engine life. Synthetics are the only way to go.

Amsoil prices have keep very stable for the last 8 years or so that I've been using it.
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I buy only American made synthetic oil from Amsoil.

It can cost $6-8 per quart but you can get the 10k or 25k oil filter from Amsoil - for me, I can change my oil once a year - and depending, you can just replace the filter and just top up any oil that is needed without doing a full oil change.

More expensive up front but save money in the long run and is American made.

They even have the filters that clean the oil so well it is like having an oil change while driving your car/truck, etc... the coil coming out is 99.9% analytically clean.

Can put it in a big semi for example and the oil is good for 100k miles!

Petroleum oil for lubricating purposes in engines is junk and is very bad for performance and engine life. Synthetics are the only way to go.

Amsoil prices have keep very stable for the last 8 years or so that I've been using it.
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Same here we only buy American oil. We are fortunate to have two refinieries within an hour's drive of here. Plus we are just a45 minutes from Drake's well south of Titusville where the first American production well was drilled. We only by American made gasoline from kwikfill. In fact some of the oild actually comes from my dad's wells in Elk County!! When I buy gas from out of the area while we are on trips I can tell my truck doesn't run as well. So I think I am getting a better gasoline at a slightly cheaper price.
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This seems to be the Drake mentioned before.

Not anonymous but Thomas Drake, a NSA whistleblower -
same Drake?

NSA Whistleblower Thomas Drake Prevails in Unprecedented Obama Admin Crackdown - YouTube
Hi Aaron, It is Drake Bailey of Patriots for America, as noted on RMN
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I was just trying to point out how disproportionate it is; Gas goes up by approximately $1 per gallon, and motor oil goes upby $2-3 per QUART.

Just another way we're getting screwed! Hey, at least they are using 'LUBE', right!

Yeah, I know about better oils, and filtering it; can still get those filters that use toilet paper rolls; they started making them, again. Pretty pricey, wish I'd bought a bunch of them when I was a kid.

Again, I was just commenting on how disproportionate the increase in price has been. Jim
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Update on the rigged caucus here in Missouri:

There was a meeting held a few days ago where Brian Spencer, the organizer of the caucus, admitted to rigging the caucus in order to be "fair". He claims he did it so the "Ron Paul People" would not take over. The meeting was secretly filmed and put up on youtube, link below. This is complete fraud he is admitting to and he is acting like its no big deal. Both Brian Spencer and Eugene Dokes should be thrown in jail. Below is a petition you can sign to have them removed from their positions. Im sorry but if the majority of the people at the caucus are there to vote for Paul, then Paul wins. Thats how this works.
Thankfully the caucus has now been rescheduled.

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Hi Aaron, It is Drake Bailey of Patriots for America, as noted on RMN
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I'm just trying to find any public evidence that there are arrests of govt officials planned. I'll break out some campaign if that is the case.
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I'm just trying to find any public evidence that there are arrests of govt officials planned. I'll break out some campaign if that is the case.
We're watching for that too ... :-)


Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse | March 21, 2012 | Sonoran News

Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio (l) and Cold Case Posse lead investigator Mike Zullo will hold a press conference on Saturday, March 31, at 1 p.m. at the Church on the Green to present their findings and updates regarding Obama’s fraudulent Selective Service System registration form and Certificate of Live Birth.


SURPRISE – While the media blackout continues over the largest story in American history, Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio is stunned, but undaunted, and said his Cold Case Posse will continue to pursue its investigation into President Barack Obama’s fraudulent Certificate of Live Birth as well as his Selective Service registration, both of which it has deemed forgeries.




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LISTEN: Joe Arpaio Will Make Arrest On Obama Birth Certificate Once He Figures Out Who Forged Documents
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I was just trying to point out how disproportionate it is; Gas goes up by approximately $1 per gallon, and motor oil goes upby $2-3 per QUART.

Just another way we're getting screwed! Hey, at least they are using 'LUBE', right!

Yeah, I know about better oils, and filtering it; can still get those filters that use toilet paper rolls; they started making them, again. Pretty pricey, wish I'd bought a bunch of them when I was a kid.

Again, I was just commenting on how disproportionate the increase in price has been. Jim
Jim,
the subject of your post was "WHAT a Rocket!!!".
Connecting dots shows that the "space ship" is gigantic,
not only inflated petro-dollars and unnecessary 3k oil service
but also "hazardous used oil disposal make
"Change 2012".


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Aaron; I think I MEANT to type "What a RACKET",...not "Rocket", but whatever.

Cody; Neither the Republican nor Democratic Parties are truly 'Democratic' institutions; when you vote in a "Republican" primary, (or caucus) it is the Republican Parties caucus, not yours. The party rules, and how Delegates are apportioned, are not transperent. Its become apperent to me the party leaders want to maintain control of the process, while allowing voters to assume 'their votes count'. The process is rigged; this is one of the reason both paries have 'superdelegates'; so they can maintain control over the process.
Render unto Caeser,that which is Caesers; its The Parties primary, not yours.

One of the VALID arguments AmericansElect makes, is on this very issue; HOW delegates are selected,and how Nominees are selected.

Again, watching this process unfold has been, for me, "Deja Vu, all over again"; just as I 'Learned" that our election process is not nearly as transperent and free of 'vote rigging' as I had previously assumed, I now see that the whole primary/caucus process is, if anything, even MORE rigged!

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Komard Obama

During Missile Defense Talk, Obama Tells Medvedev He'll Have 'more Flexibility' After Election | Fox News

After reading this I now wonder what else Komard Obama is waiting to spring on us after the election...can anyone say martial law....can any one say confiscation of ALL private property...can anyone say elimination of the Constitution?

Just remember Hitler was an elected offical just like Komrad Obama and no one took "Mein Kampf" seriously. All the Germans of the Weimar Republic thought Hitler was just another public leader, but history proved otherwise.. I truly hope I am wrong: I honestly hope I can come back to this forum in a year and say I was wrong about Obama, but I fear that will not be the case.
This person we have in the White House is as dangerous as Hitler and we(as a nation) are as complacent as those in Weimar.
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This forum is NOT being shut down.

The point of the thread was in protest of the SOPA act, which wound up not passing. But stay vigilant because they are constantly trying to pass more laws to prevent free speech.
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When the framers of the Constitution wrote the First Amendment, they lived in a society in which anyone could walk up to George Washington or John Adams or Thomas Jefferson on a public street and say directly to them whatever one wished. They never dreamed of a regal-like force of armed agents keeping public officials away from the public, as we have today. And they never imagined that it could be a felony for anyone to congregate in public within earshot or eyesight of certain government officials. And yet, today in America, it is.
Free Speech/Protesting Is Now A Felony Punishable By Jail - YouTube

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On 16 Mar 2012 Obama signed a new Executive Order: the “National Defense Resources Preparedness.”

Obama says he and his cabinet officials can, at any time they wish, commandeer all domestic U.S. resources, including all food and water, plus all transportation, energy, and infrastructure, and forcibly conscript American citizens into the military, or into “labor forces.”

IN SHORT, Obama says he has absolute control over everything and everyone. Not in the future. Not if there is an "emergeny." RIGHT NOW.

Of course, this is not new. Presidents always sign Executive Orders when they want to become absolute dictators, and eliminate the last vestiges of the US Constitution.

Obama’s latest executive order | Wake Up From Your Slumber

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the Defense Production Act of 1950, as amended (50 U.S.C. App. 2061 et seq.), and section 301 of title 3, United States Code, and as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States, it is hereby ordered as follows:
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so here is a leading question for you guys...

Why do you believe the second amendment was included in the Bill of Rights?

Note: I am going to take this a little farther but I don't have time to do so now. In the long run I want to discuss how American's have already lost their second amendment right as intended by the founding fathers when they wrote it.

The ruling class knows this.

I ask again...
Why do you believe the founding fathers gave us the second amendment?
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so here is a leading question for you guys...

Why do you believe the second amendment was included in the Bill of Rights?

Note: I am going to take this a little farther but I don't have time to do so now. In the long run I want to discuss how American's have already lost their second amendment right as intended by the founding fathers when they wrote it.

The ruling class knows this and are no longer scared of the citizens of the US.
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The 2nd amendment is there to allow us to defend our selves against the tyranny of government whether our own goverment our an outside governement.
Domestically
One of the first things Hitler did when he came into power was to eliminate private ownership of firearms. And look what he did afterwards.....
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One of the reasons Hitler never invaded Switzerland is becuase he knew there were guns in every home( of course there were other reasons as well)

A governemnt that is not afraid of it citzens will turn those citizens into slaves.

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It is obvious that some individuals do not have the slightest clue as to what the second amendment and the constitution are all about. Listening to them, one would assume that the second amendment was written to protect a person’s right to own and collect guns. It was not. Or that it was written to protect the right of a person to go target shooting or for hunting so as to put food on the table. It was not.

Others have stated that the founders of the constitution did not intend that the public should have access the latest high tech weapons. They did not.

Some have assumed that the word militia referred to the army or police and only these agencies should have possession of guns. This is wrong. Plus it is absurd to think that a special amendment would be needed to allow the military and police to be armed.

According to the founders if you were a citizen, 17 years old and of sound mind and body, you then were automatically part of the militia. As such you then were allowed to keep and own the newest high tech weapons available, which at that time was a flintlock rifle.

However one of the founders of the constitution, James Mason, had a slightly different definition of the word militia. His went like this. You still had to be citizen, 17 years old and in sound mind and body, but you could not be a politician elected to office. Think about that, it speaks volumes about their mind set and where they where coming from when they were writing the constitution. They had absolutely no problem with the average citizen owning guns but wisely did not trust guns in the hands of politicians or the government. Just the opposite of what is being advocated today.

Thus the reason for the second amendment existence is to protect the first amendment and the rest of the constitution. It does this by allowing citizens, as a last resort, a means of protecting themselves from their government if it runs completely astray.

This is the right that we are now being conditioned to give up. All that is required is that you must put complete trust in the government and are willing to become a slave and do exactly whatever you are told.
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It is obvious that some individuals do not have the slightest clue as to what the second amendment and the constitution are all about. Listening to them, one would assume that the second amendment was written to protect a person’s right to own and collect guns. It was not. Or that it was written to protect the right of a person to go target shooting or for hunting so as to put food on the table. It was not.

Others have stated that the founders of the constitution did not intend that the public should have access the latest high tech weapons. They did not.

Some have assumed that the word militia referred to the army or police and only these agencies should have possession of guns. This is wrong. Plus it is absurd to think that a special amendment would be needed to allow the military and police to be armed.

According to the founders if you were a citizen, 17 years old and of sound mind and body, you then were automatically part of the militia. As such you then were allowed to keep and own the newest high tech weapons available, which at that time was a flintlock rifle.

However one of the founders of the constitution, James Mason, had a slightly different definition of the word militia. His went like this. You still had to be citizen, 17 years old and in sound mind and body, but you could not be a politician elected to office. Think about that, it speaks volumes about their mind set and where they where coming from when they were writing the constitution. They had absolutely no problem with the average citizen owning guns but wisely did not trust guns in the hands of politicians or the government. Just the opposite of what is being advocated today.

Thus the reason for the second amendment existence is to protect the first amendment and the rest of the constitution. It does this by allowing citizens, as a last resort, a means of protecting themselves from their government if it runs completely astray.

This is the right that we are now being conditioned to give up. All that is required is that you must put complete trust in the government and are willing to become a slave and do exactly whatever you are told.
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Also said you need a "Revolution" about every 10 years; thats cause no matter what system you start out with, it will take about ten years for the
(?Sociopaths, Ruling Class, or fill in the blank, as in #$***'s?) to figure out a way to 'game' the system, for their own benefit. So, by their calculations, we are over 200 years overdue.
And yes, I also heartily agree; The founders were not 'afraid' of the people; they were 'afraid' of the Government, having seen first hand the 'over reach' of Gov't. And so they were empowering the people, with the second amendment, as a final bastion against too much power in the gov't, Knowing there never would have been a revolution to overthrow British rule, if the populace had been disarmed. And, knowing how important cannons were in the Revolutionary war, they surely would not have advocated for an 'imbalance' in arms, where the Gov't had more sophisticated weaponry than the populace; quite the contrary, according to the earlier post.
Nor would they have approved of the idea of saying "You can buy all the GUNS you want, but ammunition sales are regulated"; they would have seen right thru that!
Bottom line is there are people who don't own guns, don't WANT to own guns, and are afraid of people who do.And so they 'buy in' to gun control argument, because they THINK they would be safer if no one but the Gov't (presumably) owned guns. The idea makes them feel safer, and the idea of you and me walking around armed just scares the hell out of them. Its an argument based on emotion, not logic. Just like the argument AGAINST making voters prove they are eligible to vote. NOT logical, but that doesn't keep them from making the argument,....Jim
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so here is a leading question for you guys...

Why do you believe the second amendment was included in the Bill of Rights?

Note: I am going to take this a little farther but I don't have time to do so now. In the long run I want to discuss how American's have already lost their second amendment right as intended by the founding fathers when they wrote it.

The ruling class knows this.

I ask again...
Why do you believe the founding fathers gave us the second amendment?

Founding fathers were "slaves" of the agendas.
List of Freemasons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If the right to self-defense exists then it is a smoke screen and
considering today’s technology (e.g. C130) it’s an "invitation".

Is the black gentry paid off?
Public debt is a fact of life. The U.S. has had debt since its inception. Our records show that debts incurred during the American Revolutionary War amounted to $75,463,476.52 by January 1, 1791. Over the following 45 years, the debt grew.
Bureau of the Public Debt: Our History

WHO OWNS US?
"It's not debt that we couldn't have paid off," said Robert E. Wright, a financial historian and author of One Nation Under Debt: Hamilton, Jefferson and the History of What We Owe. Indeed, he said, President Jackson was the first to eliminate the national debt in 1834, putting the nation in the black for the first time after a debt that once exceeded $127 million for the American Revolution, the Louisiana Purchase and the War of 1812.

Rather, a part of that debt still exists because some of the bondholders — for whatever reason — haven't redeemed the bonds. They could be lost, destroyed or tucked away in attics or archives.

The U.S. balance sheet includes billions in 'old debt' - USATODAY.com

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Getting used to leaving in fear?

Again, not sure if this is a proper place to post this but I found it quite disturbing and wanted to share -

Kids All Over America Are Being Put On Buses And Sent To Alternate Locations During School Terror Drills
By Michael SnyderMarch 27, 2012

All over the United States, school children are being taken out of their classrooms, put on buses and sent to "alternate locations" during terror drills. These exercises are often called "evacuation drills" or "relocation drills" and they are more than a little disturbing. Sometimes parents are notified in advance where the kids are being taken and sometimes they are only told that the children are being taken to an "undisclosed location".

You can continue reading - Kids All Over America Are Being Put On Buses And Sent To Alternate Locations During School Terror Drills - BlackListedNews.com

We had those drills during Cold War time but since most schools had underground shelters with air tide steel doors, our drills were not much different as a fire drill - get to the underground bunker, don't panic etc. I'm sure, this is something new here. It goes a bit further than "duck and cover".

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To me it looks like the kiddies and their parents are being trained to accept that it is "perfectly normal" for them to be packed up and moved, without any forewarning, wherever the government decides to do so.
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Hmmmm

"We had those drills during Cold War time but since most schools had underground shelters with air tide steel doors, our drills were not much different as a fire drill - get to the underground bunker, don't panic etc. I'm sure, this is something new here. It goes a bit further than "duck and cover".
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What you mean "WE" Kimosabe? WE never had underground bunkers, with air tight steel doors, and I attended 14 different schools, from k-8. (We moved around, a lot!). All they ever had us do was those silly 'duck and cover' drills, getting under our desks.

The one thing all this gov't activity does, to my mind, is put 'Survivalists" in a different light. What I mean by this; for many years, Survivalists were seen as a 'nutty fringe' and either harmless nuts, or maybe a little dangerous.

Now, its clear even the Gov't sees a real possibility of something BIG and BAD coming, and is trying to prepare. So, its not the 'Survivalists" that are 'nutty', its those who are in denial, and are clinging to the notion that making plans is nutty, that are living in a false reality!

MAYBE this whole thing is part of some vast conspiracy by 'THEM" to declare martial law, and herd the populace into "FEMA camps", etc. OR, maybe its just the Gov't is looking at the same things the rest of us (survivalists) are looking at, and coming to similar conclusions; i.e. "SOMETHING" Big and Bad is coming,or at least may well be coming, and so better make SOME kind of plans, for if and when it does; the "Buy duct tape and Plastic" (Homeland Security reccomendation post 911) , the upgrading of plans for the Gov't to take over the means of production, etc. this plan for evacuating schools, even the FEMA camps, which COULD be simply a plan to create "Shelters of last resort"; all part of a theme.

We can waste endless words here, debating "THEIR" motivations, and exactly the nature of whats coming, to no good end. But it seems to me that all this Gov't activity, regardless of the motivation, confirms the Gov't at least recognises the possibility is REAL that 'something Big and Bad' is coming. Whether THEY and the Gov't are behind whats coming, or simply preparing to respond to it, is irrelevent. Whether its a Fincial meltdown, a natural disaster, a Nuclear war, a failure of the electric grid, it really doesn't matter.

Either you keep your head in the sand, and re-assure yourself that 'survivalists' are just 'nuts', or you 'wake up, and smell the coffee', either you make SOME plans for securing you and yours, or you rely on the Gov't. to do it for you, and end up in a "Shelter of Last resort". The "American Ruling Class" MAY be behind this, or may simply see whats coming as inevitable, in either case you can bet THEY are certainly making plans! So, its up to you,.......Jim
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"We had those drills during Cold War time but since most schools had underground shelters with air tide steel doors, our drills were not much different as a fire drill - get to the underground bunker, don't panic etc. I'm sure, this is something new here. It goes a bit further than "duck and cover".
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What you mean "WE" Kimosabe? WE never had underground bunkers, with air tight steel doors, and I attended 14 different schools, from k-8. (We moved around, a lot!). All they ever had us do was those silly 'duck and cover' drills, getting under our desks.
I should clarify;
I was attending schools on the other side of "Big Water" and referred to them. We were conditioned to believe in Big Red Brother (Former USSR) and "rotten West" with their propaganda aimed to derail wonderful Communism through planted agents. Our paramilitary school curriculum included using portable telecommunication devices, grenade throwing and firing rifle (Grade 7) Nobody believed this crap, even kids but we had to be careful listening to Voice of America or Free Europe Radio since it wasn't legal, as well as possession of foreign currencies. What I see happening here is like a Deja Vu of those distant memories.

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Now, its clear even the Gov't sees a real possibility of something BIG and BAD coming, and is trying to prepare.
If FEMA’s emergency relocation centers are truly meant to be used in case of a natural disaster or some other public emergency that is fine as this would generate a nice warm fuzzy feeling for most people. But if that is the case why then do these camps need to be surrounded by barb wire fencing? Which are constructed so as to keep people in? There is just something about that which doesn’t generate that nice warm fuzzy feeling for me.
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“Being first to appear on the ballot in all fifty states proves that
Ron Paul is the only candidate with the organizational muscle, resources, and stamina to challenge Mitt Romney.”

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What that guy and the others are doing is called GOSSIP and is wrong. 
Putting bullcrap into others minds. That is a tactic used to over throw governments...

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