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Old 03-13-2012, 06:52 PM
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The full wording of H. Con. Res. 107, which is currently referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary, is as follows:

Expressing the sense of Congress that the use of offensive military force by a president without prior and clear authorization of an act of Congress constitutes an impeachable high crime and misdemeanor under Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution.

Whereas the cornerstone of the Republic is honoring Congress’s exclusive power to declare war under article I, section 8, clause 11 of the Constitution: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved by the House of Representatives (the Senate concurring), That it is the sense of Congress that, except in response to an actual or imminent attack against the territory of the United States, the use of offensive military force by a president without prior and clear authorization of an act of Congress violates Congress’s exclusive power to declare war under Article I, Section 8, clause 11 of the Constitution and therefore constitutes an impeachable high crime and misdemeanor under Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution.

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Old 03-13-2012, 07:43 PM
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Yeah, Al

That won't go anywhere. Presidents,for years,have 'gone to war'without getting a vote from Congress. This gets into the whole 'War Powers act' debate, and is another 'inside the beltway' diversion.Sure,its a major point RP has been trying to make; that before we,as a nation, go to war,the issue should be debated,thoroughly,before Congress,as representatives of the people.
This is simply one of a series of ways in which,over time,'WE' have gotten away from the Constitution.The overuse/misapplication of the "Commerce Clause" is another.
We are NOT a "Nation of Laws"; haven't been for some time. Rick would say this is the way the "American Ruling Class" rules; by subverting the Constitution. I say its "Human Nature", but in any case its true;its the "Golden Rule"; Them that has the Gold ($, 'power' etc.)makes the rules,and/or finds ways to get around the rules,in order to accomplish whatever they want to accomplish.
Anyway,you can bet BOwon't be impeached,on this basis,or (more thaan likely,any other. So,its just 'redmeat' being thrown to'us' to mollify us;it doesn't MEAN anything. Jim
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Az, voter I.D. Law still in effect

We're having municipal elections, today. So, I stopped by my local polling place to check ( I usually vote by mail). The Az. voter I.D. law is still being enforced. A voter must provide "1 form of I.D from list A, or 2 from list B.
List A is an Az. Drivers license of state issued I.d card, (available from the DMV) or a tribal I.D. card, or a municipal, state or federal I.D. card.
List B is long, so I won't detail it here, (you can probably find the Law, online) but it includes a current/recent utility bill, in the persons name, several pieces of delivered mail, addressed to the individual, etc.

This law was passed, PRIOR to Holder and BO getting in office, I BELIEVE it survived a court challenge at the time. So, it SHOULD be possible to do it elsewhere.

Oh, if the voter is unable to provide appropriate ID, they are STILL 'allowed' to vote, but they get a "Provisional" ballot, instead of a regular one. They can go ahead and vote, and then have 5 days to go to election officials, and provide sufficient ID to prove they are who they say they are, and have their vote 'counted'.

If Az. didn't already HAVE this law, and tried to enact it, I'm sure Holders Hustice dept. would try to block its implementation. Nuff said? Jim
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Old 03-14-2012, 08:07 PM
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We're having municipal elections, today. So, I stopped by my local polling place to check ( I usually vote by mail). The Az. voter I.D. law is still being enforced. A voter must provide "1 form of I.D from list A, or 2 from list B.
List A is an Az. Drivers license of state issued I.d card, (available from the DMV) or a tribal I.D. card, or a municipal, state or federal I.D. card.
List B is long, so I won't detail it here, (you can probably find the Law, online) but it includes a current/recent utility bill, in the persons name, several pieces of delivered mail, addressed to the individual, etc.

This law was passed, PRIOR to Holder and BO getting in office, I BELIEVE it survived a court challenge at the time. So, it SHOULD be possible to do it elsewhere.

Oh, if the voter is unable to provide appropriate ID, they are STILL 'allowed' to vote, but they get a "Provisional" ballot, instead of a regular one. They can go ahead and vote, and then have 5 days to go to election officials, and provide sufficient ID to prove they are who they say they are, and have their vote 'counted'.

If Az. didn't already HAVE this law, and tried to enact it, I'm sure Holders Hustice dept. would try to block its implementation. Nuff said? Jim
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UN Rights Council Delves Into US Voter I.D. Laws | Fox News


It seems the NAACP has asked the UN to intervene in state law. This is wrong on so many levels I don't know where to begin.
I promise the malitias will never accept for this.
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Voter ID Bill In Pennsylvania

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Pennsylvania House Passes Voter ID Bill


We are one step closer to requiring everyone to show ID when they vote in the Commonwealth.


Message to the powder blue helmuts of the UN...BRING IT ON!


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Yeah, Bizzy

Bizzy; If you know anything about Az. politics, you should know the 'powder blue helmets' of the UN will have trouble here, as well.
Well, I feel like "One out of 2 ain't bad; with Santorum winning the 2 states in the south, even AP is showing the delegate count with Santorum within 100 delegates of Romoney.
Yeah, I KNOW the delegate count is all a sham, etc. and I'm still rooting for RP. But I don't know how the talking heads can continue to talk about 'inevitability' of Romoney, and how "The #'s bear this out" in light of the recent votes. Coarse, if they can look the American People in the Eye, and say the things they've said about Fukishima, etc I suppose They CAN say anything.
But saying its one thing, getting anyone to believe it is something else. I'm sure hoping that Massachusettes Liberal rich a**hole is going DOWN! Guess you all already know, I DON'T like Romoney!

As for the UN, (interesting that the initials ARE "UN" as in,...UN american, Un,..fill in the blanks,...) Komrad Obama and Holder would LOVE to have us beholden to the UN, but I don't THINK its gonna happen. Nottill they pry it from my cold, dead fingers, anyway. Jim
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Old 03-15-2012, 09:52 AM
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Bizzy; If you know anything about Az. politics, you should know the 'powder blue helmets' of the UN will have trouble here, as well.
Well, I feel like "One out of 2 ain't bad; with Santorum winning the 2 states in the south, even AP is showing the delegate count with Santorum within 100 delegates of Romoney.
Yeah, I KNOW the delegate count is all a sham, etc. and I'm still rooting for RP. But I don't know how the talking heads can continue to talk about 'inevitability' of Romoney, and how "The #'s bear this out" in light of the recent votes. Coarse, if they can look the American People in the Eye, and say the things they've said about Fukishima, etc I suppose They CAN say anything.
But saying its one thing, getting anyone to believe it is something else. I'm sure hoping that Massachusettes Liberal rich a**hole is going DOWN! Guess you all already know, I DON'T like Romoney!

As for the UN, (interesting that the initials ARE "UN" as in,...UN american, Un,..fill in the blanks,...) Komrad Obama and Holder would LOVE to have us beholden to the UN, but I don't THINK its gonna happen. Nottill they pry it from my cold, dead fingers, anyway. Jim
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As a matter of fact I do know the "patriots" from Arizona. And I know they would stand up to the powder blue helmuts as well.
Putting the UN together with the democrats is like giving a gun to a drunk teenager. It is just wrong and MUST be stopped.

I heard last night. I mind you these are just rumors so I don't know how true it is but the person I heard this from has always been reliable and not prone to gossip.... We heard that the UN will be sending "observers" into states, which have this law in effect by the election.
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Old 03-15-2012, 06:13 PM
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Dear Freedom Fighter,
Later on this month, the U.S. Supreme Court will consider the constitutionality of several parts of the President's wildly unpopular health care package. While the President and his allies managed to force this health care package on the American people two years ago, now we have a chance to get it overturned with your help.
Americans for Prosperity has been a leader on the issue of healthcare reform since 2008. We're working to show how the individual mandate is unconstitutional, and we believe the entire health care law must be struck down.
That's why we're making sure all of Washington knows we oppose the unconstitional affront to our health care freedoms. On March 27, we're going to hold a rally opposing the health care bill, and present the Supreme Court with a statement, signed by thousands of patriotic Americans, asking the court to strike down this unconstitional bill. We need your help to send a message to Washington.
Will you sign our statement, asking the Court to strike down this unconstitional threat to our health care freedoms?
Please make your voice heard today, and remind Washington that the President's health care law is both unconstitional and a threat to our freedom.
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Old 03-15-2012, 06:58 PM
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Dear Freedom Fighter,
Later on this month, the U.S. Supreme Court will consider the constitutionality of several parts of the President's wildly unpopular health care package. While the President and his allies managed to force this health care package on the American people two years ago, now we have a chance to get it overturned with your help.
Americans for Prosperity has been a leader on the issue of healthcare reform since 2008. We're working to show how the individual mandate is unconstitutional, and we believe the entire health care law must be struck down.
That's why we're making sure all of Washington knows we oppose the unconstitional affront to our health care freedoms. On March 27, we're going to hold a rally opposing the health care bill, and present the Supreme Court with a statement, signed by thousands of patriotic Americans, asking the court to strike down this unconstitional bill. We need your help to send a message to Washington.
Will you sign our statement, asking the Court to strike down this unconstitional threat to our health care freedoms?
Please make your voice heard today, and remind Washington that the President's health care law is both unconstitional and a threat to our freedom.
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My wife and I both signed the statement.
thanks for sharing this.
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Old 03-15-2012, 08:34 PM
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The 'Supreme Court' doesn't CARE what you or I think is unconstitutional. They view it that its THEIR job, to detirmine if something is Constitutional; and thats pretty much the WHOLE of their job. So, while I don't think it will hurt anything, I don't think this petition will effect the outcome, one way or another.
I will say, I can't see HOW they could rule that the individual mandate is Constitutional, or how anyone could think that they WOULD so rule. If they do, I will just 'give up' entirely, and succeed from the US. Declare "Individual Soveriegnity", or whatever.
After all, whats next? You must own a car, because otherwise everyones taxes go to paying for mass transit? etc. etc. etc. Its the "Commerce Clause gone crazy.
The Supremes also need to take another look at "States Rights", which they will be doing this session, when they look at Az.'s SB1070. The 2 decisions, both this term, will tell us if there is any possibility of turning back the clock.

How could they agree with the justification for the mandate, and at the same time dismiss Az.'s argument that the US Gov't failure to enforce Fed. immigration law is costing the State, and so the State has the right to step in and do what the Fed is failing to do? Yeah, I know,...they can do whatever they want.

That these 2 cases should be coming up at this time, just one more factor, making this year "Interesting times"! Jim
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The 'Supreme Court' doesn't CARE what you or I think is unconstitutional. They view it that its THEIR job, to detirmine if something is Constitutional; and thats pretty much the WHOLE of their job. So, while I don't think it will hurt anything, I don't think this petition will effect the outcome, one way or another.
I will say, I can't see HOW they could rule that the individual mandate is Constitutional, or how anyone could think that they WOULD so rule. If they do, I will just 'give up' entirely, and succeed from the US. Declare "Individual Soveriegnity", or whatever.
After all, whats next? You must own a car, because otherwise everyones taxes go to paying for mass transit? etc. etc. etc. Its the "Commerce Clause gone crazy.
The Supremes also need to take another look at "States Rights", which they will be doing this session, when they look at Az.'s SB1070. The 2 decisions, both this term, will tell us if there is any possibility of turning back the clock.

How could they agree with the justification for the mandate, and at the same time dismiss Az.'s argument that the US Gov't failure to enforce Fed. immigration law is costing the State, and so the State has the right to step in and do what the Fed is failing to do? Yeah, I know,...they can do whatever they want.

That these 2 cases should be coming up at this time, just one more factor, making this year "Interesting times"! Jim
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Unfortunately you are correct they don't care what we think, but we will still make our voices heard.
We will use either bullets or ballets it is just a matter of using the proper vowel for the job


By the way where is Rick?

We haven't heard any news of the powder blue helmuts making a beach head in Maine.
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Faced with the resulting global outrage, the Sri Lankan government promised a full inquiry. So, has it now admitted the truth?

The answer, you might not be startled to hear, is no. An official report has acknowledged for the first time that civilians died — but not that this was in any way the government’s fault.

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March 12, 2012
by: Anthony Gucciardi

A shocking new report reveals how Monsanto's Roundup is actually threatening the crop-yielding potential of the entire biosphere.

Microorganisms are responsible for much more than just the health content of raw and fermented foods. The most numerous inhabitants in the web of life, microorganisms participate quite literally "at the root" of the nitrogen, phosphate, oxygen and carbon cycles, and are therefore indispensable for the health of the entire biosphere.

As Roundup usage threatens these soil microrganisms, including fungi and the mycellium (technically the largest organism in the world), it could lead to devastating implications. Compromising the health of the mycellium, in particular, may cause serious harm to the planet.

Amazingly, even when diluted by 99.8 percent (450-fold lower dilutions than used in agricultural applications), Roundup still exhibits serious genotoxic characteristics and is harmful to the integrity of human DNA.

The research is clear: Roundup is not only harming human health and damaging farmland, it is threatening the very biosphere itself by destroying microbial biodiversity, with the future agricultural stability of the planet, i.e. the ability to produce food through monoculturing, at serious risk of collapsing

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Ricks probably busy working on his new property, which I gotta say, sounded damn near perfect! Jim
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The 'Supreme Court' doesn't CARE what you or I think is unconstitutional.
Right - but anything they decide can be overturned.

Bernie Sanders is proposing a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United. If the people really push hard enough, things happen in our favor but how bad do we want it?

Bernie Sanders is a self proclaimed socialist, but it doesn't matter. Overturning Citizens vs. United is something I think most everyone can agree on. I know I'm completely for those 4 bullet points that this proposed amendment can make a reality.

This is a very powerful anti-fascist move and I'm glad to see it.

Petition - A Petition to Support the Saving American Democracy Amendment : Bernie Sanders - U.S. Senator for Vermont

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Sen. Bernie Sanders has proposed a constitutional amendment that would overturn the Supreme Court decision in a case called Citizens United vs. FEC.
The Saving American Democracy Amendment states that:
  • Corporations are not persons with constitutional rights equal to real people.
  • Corporations are subject to regulation by the people.
  • Corporations may not make campaign contributions or any election expenditures.
  • Congress and states have the power to regulate campaign finances.
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Aaron, (and Bernie Sanders); Yes and No

We can AMEND the Constitution, by creating a Constitutional amendment. But we can't (my understanding) un-write or re-write it. Ricks 'history lesson' aside, I guess I should say we're not SUPPOSED to be able to.

So, for instance we aren't supposed to be able to change the Constitution, to take away our freedom of speech, etc.

And every attempt, so far, to control the flow of $ into elections has run up against the 'freedom of speech', so I SUSPECT that if Bernie Sanders was successful, that the Court would probably rule it Unconstituional.

The system is just plain broken; and sometimes, things are so broken that you CAN'T 'fix' them; the only logical coarse of action is to scrap the whole thing, and start over from scratch.

Thing is; we humans aren't LOGICAL, and, everyone has a 'vested interest' in the system as it is. And, a fear of the unknown, so that we prefer a broken system, to no system at all. Still, the thing will fall of its own weight, eventually. Then, we'll HAVE to build something new. And, in time, it too will fail. Human BEANS; Legumes with legs, thats all we are! Might as well laugh, cause it sure beats cryin'. And its funny how fallin, seems a lot like flyin',......right up to the end! Jim
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We can AMEND the Constitution, by creating a Constitutional amendment. But we can't (my understanding) un-write or re-write it. Ricks 'history lesson' aside, I guess I should say we're not SUPPOSED to be able to.

So, for instance we aren't supposed to be able to change the Constitution, to take away our freedom of speech, etc.

And every attempt, so far, to control the flow of $ into elections has run up against the 'freedom of speech', so I SUSPECT that if Bernie Sanders was successful, that the Court would probably rule it Unconstituional.
Yes, that is the whole point to the constitutional amendment.

It is simply time to rule that spending money is not free speech. But that is the whole point to why a democracy is a scam. Those with money will always rule, make laws in their favor and create a separation between the few rich and the many poor. (Preaching to the choir - I know) Majority rule (democracy) is a scam and money buys votes. I don't think we'll get away from this unless we get back to a true Constitutional Republic. But I think it is possible to get the restrictions in place to prevent corporations from donating. It will be too fishy for a private individual to make a $10 million dollar donation for example.

The bogus supreme court will probably lean towards supporting money as free speech and if so, hopefully more people will wake up and we move closer to real revolutionary change. Either way the vote goes, it will just raise the awareness amongst the people that our personal liberties are being infringed upon.

The tighter the grip around the people, the more we slip through the fingers. We already won.

Just like what Ron Paul stands for. Even if he loses, which it is rigged so he will, after all is said and done, there are simply more people who has increased their awareness about the importance of preserving and taking back our personal liberties. We still win.

I think the powers that be already know they lost in the grand scheme of things - it is just a matter of time until the sheeple come to that conclusion. Not soon enough for my liking but it is in the right direction.
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I have not seen any media coverage of this and
there was very few online articles even admitting Ron Paul won this straw poll.

Ron Paul Wins Idaho Poll with 43% 3/5/12 - YouTube

RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - Republican Delegate Count


Mitt Romney talked to Fox News' Bill Hemmer Thursday morning.

"Look, we're not going to go to a brokered convention," he said.

"One or the other of us among the three or four that are running is going to get the delegates necessary to become the nominee. As it gets closer towards the end, it's going to be clear we've got someone who's in the strong lead. The states that remain will vote for that person and that person will get the delegates and become the nominee."

GOP 12: Romney: No brokered convention


Once the first ballot, or vote, has occurred, and no candidate has a majority of the delegates' votes, the convention is then considered brokered; thereafter, the nomination is decided through a process of alternating political horse-trading, and additional re-votes.
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There is some dispute about this, and you may be talking about what you ACTUALLY 'see' happening, as opposed to the 'official' explantion. As I understand it; Delegates are 'duty bound' to vote for the Candidate they are 'pledged' to, for the FIRST vote.i.e to vote 'representing' the primary voters they are there to 'represent'.
If there is no clear winner on the first vote, it is called a "Contested" convention; i.e. we have a "Contest". Delegates are freed up to change their vote, because otherwise there would be no way to break the deadlock; subsequent votes would have the same result.
At this point there may be offers made, from Candidates to Delegates, or from Candidate to Candidate, in an attempt to change the vote totals, and 'break' the deadlock. If there is still no clear winner, THEN you get to a 'brokered' convention, where "Party elders", back in a 'smoke filled room', simply DECIDE who will be the winner, and pressure the other candidates to withdraw, and support the 'chosen' nominee, 'for the good of the Party'.

REALITY is, MOST people don't/haven't focused much attention on HOW delegates are selected, and have probably assumed it was done in such a way that their Primary vote 'counted'. And, the Party Elders, who set the system up, have counted on that indifference. They have made the process anything BUT transparent, so they could manipulate things, to control the outcome.
In the past, this has 'served them well', for the MOST part. This time, I think they may be 'hoist with their own Petard', as they don't seem to be having much success, in foisting their chosen nominee on the party. And, I'm not sure, until we actually GET to the convention, that ANYONE can say for certain how many delegates each candidate has.
Everyone seems to be making educated guesses, but no one knows, for sure. And, if we don't get a clear winner on the first ballot, for sure no one can say how delegates will vote, on the second ballot.
Of coarse, an additional 'safety valve' put in place by party leaders is the so-called 'Super Delegates'; party 'leaders' who in most states are not bound in their vote, even on the first ballot.
Maybe its wishful thinking, but I'm hoping for a 1964 re-do; a 'revolt' where the delegates refuse to accept the 'chosen' candidate of Romoney.
The other likelyhood is a re-do or 1976, where a 'moderate' candidate wins the nomination (Gerald Ford) only to loose in the General.Jim
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RP as VP???

Bear in mind the source, (Lamestream media). I BELIEVE I heard it on the Chris mathews Show, on NBC. Reporter said THEY heard it from someone high up in RP's campaign, but didn't say who. Supposedly this campaign person said RP KNOWS he won't have enough delegates to win the nomination, but won't be content with just giving a speach at the convention; he wants the # 2 spot, i.e.VP.
Now, this may just be someone trying to stir things up, but,....I can't see RP making such a deal with Romoney; RP's supporters would feel he had sold out.

Maybe Gingrich, theyve agreed on a lot, during the debates, MAYBE even Santorum, but no way Romoney. Is it just me, as I know I'm biased against Romoney.

On another note, turns out I agree with Osama on something. 'They' released details of some of the plots he was supposedly working on, and one was to 'take out' our Pres. Apperently he thought Joe Biden is an idiot, and would inevitably get the US involved in some kind of major crisis, soon after taking over the top spot. And, I agree with his assesment of JB. I always figured he was Obamas Insurance policy, cause the one thing that would be worse than Obama, would be Biden as Pres. Jim
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Bogus preparedness act?

Executive Order -- National Defense Resources Preparedness | The White House

Gives fed govt right to basically commandeer EVERYTHING.

The White House has set in motion the regulatory basis for an American version of Lenin's "War Communism" whereby the entire civilian economy is militarized and marshaled as the Leader directs through five specific Federal Departments, not unlike the all-powerful Ministries in Orwell's 1984. Notice which Department now has control over which aspects of your lives.

This section is what provides for the socialization of the means of production:
Sec. 201. Priorities and Allocations Authorities. (a) The authority of the President conferred by section 101 of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2071, to require acceptance and priority performance of contracts or orders (other than contracts of employment) to promote the national defense over performance of any other contracts or orders, and to allocate materials, services, and facilities as deemed necessary or appropriate to promote the national defense, is delegated to the following agency heads:
(1) the Secretary of Agriculture with respect to food resources, food resource facilities, livestock resources, veterinary resources, plant health resources, and the domestic distribution of farm equipment and commercial fertilizer;
(2) the Secretary of Energy with respect to all forms of energy;
(3) the Secretary of Health and Human Services with respect to health resources;
(4) the Secretary of Transportation with respect to all forms of civil transportation;
(5) the Secretary of Defense with respect to water resources; and
(6) the Secretary of Commerce with respect to all other materials, services, and facilities, including construction materials.
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I don't think it is bogus;

The President and his specifically designated Secretaries now have the authority to commandeer all domestic U.S. resources including food and water. The EO also states that the President and his Secretaries have the authority to seize all transportation, energy, and infrastructure inside the United States as well as forcibly induct/draft American citizens into the military. The EO also contains a vague reference in regards to harnessing American citizens to fulfill “labor requirements” for the purposes of national defense.
Not only that, but the authority claimed inside the EO does not only apply to National Emergencies and times of war. It also applies in peacetime.

The National Defense Resources Preparedness Executive Order exploits the “authority” granted to the President in the Defense Production Act of 1950 in order to assert that virtually every means of human survival is now available for confiscation and control by the President via his and his Secretaries’ whim.

There is something rather "big" coming...

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Bogus preparedness act?

Executive Order -- National Defense Resources Preparedness | The White House

Gives fed govt right to basically commandeer EVERYTHING.

The White House has set in motion the regulatory basis for an American version of Lenin's "War Communism" whereby the entire civilian economy is militarized and marshaled as the Leader directs through five specific Federal Departments, not unlike the all-powerful Ministries in Orwell's 1984. Notice which Department now has control over which aspects of your lives.

This section is what provides for the socialization of the means of production:
Sec. 201. Priorities and Allocations Authorities. (a) The authority of the President conferred by section 101 of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2071, to require acceptance and priority performance of contracts or orders (other than contracts of employment) to promote the national defense over performance of any other contracts or orders, and to allocate materials, services, and facilities as deemed necessary or appropriate to promote the national defense, is delegated to the following agency heads:
(1) the Secretary of Agriculture with respect to food resources, food resource facilities, livestock resources, veterinary resources, plant health resources, and the domestic distribution of farm equipment and commercial fertilizer;
(2) the Secretary of Energy with respect to all forms of energy;
(3) the Secretary of Health and Human Services with respect to health resources;
(4) the Secretary of Transportation with respect to all forms of civil transportation;
(5) the Secretary of Defense with respect to water resources; and
(6) the Secretary of Commerce with respect to all other materials, services, and facilities, including construction materials.
Hi Aaron
Call me paranoid, but we keep food ammo etc hidden just for such a situation. I would strongly recommend it.
Even though we have elections in November, I honestly dont trust Komrad Obama to give up power after her looses. I hope I am wrong, but I can honestly see that egotistical Bas&*rd declaring martial law after the election for some bogus reason and declaring the Constitution void....then we are activated. Besides what we need we also keep track of his supporter, don't trust them thier kind gave up the Jews and the CDU in 1939
yes call me paranoid but prepared.
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I don't think it is bogus;
I mean bogus as in unjustified - I know it is real - I posted a link to the whitehouse's own press release.
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I mean bogus as in unjustified - I know it is real - I posted a link to the whitehouse's own press release.
Yes, I agree. What I initially thought was that you have hard time believing it is real, just as I had. I got this from other source, not WH press.
There is also very strange info about Dinar trading on Monday at $14.38
and once again I came across NESARA (don't look at Wiki for credible info).

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Iraqi Dinar pricing

With the Iraqi Dinar, I don't know how it is every going to be priced at anything more than $1.80.

The reason is, all the agreements about oil pricing, etc... are based on a barrel of oil costing $40 USD.

When the Leo Wanta fund issue is resolved, then the oil will be repriced at $40 per barrel and the exchange rate for the Dinar will be $1.80, which would be 72 Iraqi Dinar, which seems to be what the oil barrel rate is supposed to be guaranteed at.

It is more complex than this but this is the idea to my understanding.
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With the Iraqi Dinar, I don't know how it is every going to be priced at anything more than $1.80.

The reason is, all the agreements about oil pricing, etc... are based on a barrel of oil costing $40 USD.

When the Leo Wanta fund issue is resolved, then the oil will be repriced at $40 per barrel and the exchange rate for the Dinar will be $1.80, which would be 72 Iraqi Dinar, which seems to be what the oil barrel rate is supposed to be guaranteed at.

It is more complex than this but this is the idea to my understanding.
I can't get my head around this either but I just listened to the conference call between bankers (stunned as we are). Apparently Wells Fargo also confirmed this as showing on their screens. I guess we'll see tomorrow.
I don't know what to make out of this.

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I wonder if those were real bankers.

In a Forbes article from last month, Wells Fargo spoke against all of this. Of course banks have the most fishy motives, but check out this article:

KurdishGlobe- New banknotes to be introduced in September

That means 100,000 dinars (which can be purchased for about $225 delivered and is worth about $80) will turn into 100 dinars. 100,000 > 100 dinars.

I don't know at what exchange rate.
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I wonder if those were real bankers.

In a Forbes article from last month, Wells Fargo spoke against all of this. Of course banks have the most fishy motives, but check out this article:

KurdishGlobe- New banknotes to be introduced in September

That means 100,000 dinars (which can be purchased for about $225 delivered and is worth about $80) will turn into 100 dinars. 100,000 > 100 dinars.

I don't know at what exchange rate.
I can't tell if they were real bankers. One strange thing was that the exchange rate was varying in different countries and quite alot, not in decimals but $. This isn't something common.

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