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Old 03-05-2012, 08:26 PM
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Old 03-06-2012, 02:06 PM
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U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner arrested, questioned and released; Asian negotiations continue
Benjamin Fulford February 27, 2012 - U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner arrested - YouTube

This adds serious credibility to Ben Fulford who wrote last week that Geithner was arrested and released. Before this broadcast even I was skeptical of the Fulford report but now it all seems very possible if not likely.
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If you think this is no big deal then think again. This is a HUGE webbot hit for Clif High as he's been talking about someone in the Mainstream Media having a mental lapse and saying something that was actually TRUE. Not only that but others in the MSM pick up on it and continue the discussion. Admitting that "the banks run the country" is a huge whack to the hornets nest.

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Last week Geithner was arrested and released! - YouTube

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Old 03-06-2012, 04:46 PM
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I note in a follow up interview with Sherriff Joe, he makes a point which I feel, at a bare minimum, SHOULD come out of this whole 'birther' controversy.

The Costitution requires Presidents, (and therefore presidential candidates) to be citisens. BUT, 'we' have a piss-poor sytem (no 'system', really) for making some independent, transparent entity responsible for verifying this.

I am skeptical that Barry will actually be disqualified, etc., due to reisistance, disinformation, etc. But at the very least, 'we' (the people) SHOULD be able to agree on a better system than depending on the Political parties to 'certify' in a letter, (or NOT, depending on advice from their counsel) that a candidate qualifies.

All elected officials swear to uphold the Constitution, as well as all military personel. Upholding the constitution means upholding ALL provisions; including THIS one. And, this argument can and should be made, in a way that avoids the discrediting of the birther movement. i.e. for the sake of avoiding such an issue, in the future, we need to develop a transperent, way of assuring that any Candidate is qualified. It seems to me it would best be done at the state legislature, which should draft legislation requiring the Sec' of State to examine all documents neccesary to prove eligibility.NOT to simply accept a letter, from the party chair.Jim
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Old 03-06-2012, 09:11 PM
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Confirmed: Obama's Birth Certificate Not Authentic 2012

This is already known but good to see it is in mainstream conversation.

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layers & MSM coverage?

Sorry to hijack this thread but I just needed to give my pennies worth.

A document released by the state, which is supposed to be a scan of a physical copy (which ALWAYS results in a congealed image file such as a .jpg or similar), has layers?

Firstly, why on earth would a department that has massive resources and expertise produce a document which, to anyone moderately capable with image editing on a computer, is a laughable fake from the outset?

I promise you, if they have actually released a "scan" that has separately editable parts, each on their own layers, then they are UNBELIEVABLY stupid. So stupid in fact that its bordering on impossible.

Secondly, the fact that MSM is now "reporting" this, with a pro 'its fake' bent, gives me the distanced impression that they WANT this to be proven a fake.

Rickoff, I feel your end game prediction for this election may well turn out to be fairly accurate = Outsider to the rescue!
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if they have actually released a "scan" that has separately editable parts, each on their own layers, then they are UNBELIEVABLY stupid. So stupid in fact that its bordering on impossible.
It's definitely completely stupid - definitely not an "if".

I downloaded it as soon as the White House posted it and looked at it in photoshop. Zoom all the way in to one of the signatures and there is no pixelation - meaning it was actually airbrushed in at that zoomed in level. lol

This is what I posted on my facebook page:

"This is already known but glad to see it is in mainstream news. I dismantled the fake birth certificate presented by the White House myself in photoshop months ago because I wanted to see it for myself - I found many of the same items they found. It is 100% fake, indisputably. They went through all that trouble to fake it. Yet, they didn't have enough common sense to save it as a .jpg or similar so that all layers became one. They have all the resources in the world but are complete amateurs."

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"Anyone who doubts this should actually run the experiment. Get Obama birth certificate and open it up in Photoshop and the truth is indisputable.

I scanned my own long form birth certificate and do not get any of the artifacts present in his. Obama's is built from multiple edits and layers including airbrushed signatures that were brushed in while zoomed in so when zooming out it looks real. If real, when zoomed in, it will be pixelated. However, there is no pixelation on some of the sigs when zooming in meaning they were airbrushed in while zoomed in. lol Anyone that has even the most basic of graphic editing experience in photoshop knows this is exactly how it works.

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I have two considerations for you...

Obviously the crooked people in high places wouldn't trust themselves to do it. Perhaps the person that they "hired" had some ethical issue behind it and left it in layers on purpose in an attempt to alert the general public If that is the case... good luck to the poor lad who was conned into faking it.

Second perhaps they sip on their cup of tea laughing at the FACT that even though it is fake, and people know it, American's have no idea how to do anything about it. They could have such control over the system that they don't even care anymore. I mean, look at how sloppy the election fraud is getting.
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Sarah Palin won't say who she voted for - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

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Palin went on to say that she is not worried about a long primary process hurting the eventual nominee, saying she wants "to see the process continue."

The former Alaska governor and 2008 GOP vice presidential nominee notably declined to rule out a presidential run in 2016, first telling CNN that "anything in this life, in this world is possible."

"Anything is possible for an American," she said. "And I don't discount any idea or plan that at this point isn't in my control."

Pressed on whether she would seriously consider a run, she said she would "seriously consider whatever I can do to help our country to put things back on the right track."

"Anything that I can do to help, I will be willing to help," said Palin. Later, when asked if she would enter the 2012 race if there is a contested Republican presidential convention, she replied: "As I say, anything is possible."

"And I don't close any doors that perhaps would be open out there," she said. "So, no, I wouldn't close that door. And my plan is to be at that convention."
I dunno, that sounds like she knows/confessed that "there is a plan currently out of [her] control."

I'm interested to see what happens at this convention.
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Old 03-07-2012, 05:45 AM
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The final results of the GOP Primaries and Caucuses are pre-determined and are created through vote tabulation manipulation. Having worked with various programmers through the years in creating algorithms, I find the particular one laid out in this document to be quite primitive and laughably obvious. Having analyzed the New Hampshire and South Carolina Primary Counties like this one, I am shocked that the perpetrators haven’t spent more resources to make the end result more believable. If we don’t expose this nonsense right now and convince all candidates’ supporters to fight this vote manipulation in unison, regardless of one’s candidate’s name, we may never have another national election in the US where “we the people” decide the outcome.

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Ron Paul vs. HIS BIGGEST ENEMY: Electronic Voting Machines (- 16,000 RON PAUL VOTES!?) SHARE!!! - YouTube

2012 Election RIGGED - This is going Viral - YouTube

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Priority: We NEED more hands on deck. Significant evidence of Algorithmic vote flipping.



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Old 03-07-2012, 04:45 PM
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Hello; We're not talking about the CIA, or NSA, or something. We're talking about a STATE agency; the Hawaii bearue of vital Statisitcs, or whatever they choose to call it. Just how much 'expertise' at computer manipulation of documents do you suppose they have?

After all, its not like they have a "Dept. of Forged Documents" or something.
As an example, I (for instance) could very possibly have gotten a job, working for such a state agency, years ago. Over the years, i would 'work my way up' within the agency, and would be trained at each job, with 'on the job training'. I might well know NOTHING about this whole 'layering' and how to 'disect' a document in photoshop, because it wasn't something I need to know, in order to do my job.
Then, I'm instructed to make a birth certificate for BO.

I, in fact, didn't know all this stuff about layering, etc. as has been layed out by Rick and others. If I were going to make a 'fake' birth certificate, It would have ended up looking like what they are describing. I didn't know, until reading all the material as explained by Rick, etc.

Its all well and good to say "Well, someone who was going to make a fake birth certificate for BO would certainly do the research, BEFORE attempting it. All the time, I encounter people who don't "Do the research". I know of a brother of a friend, facing serious criminal charges, who hasn't gone down to the library, to research the LAW. I know of people ginen serious medical diagnoses, who don't get on line, and research the disease and options.

Personally, I couldn't LIVE that way. But, I see people ALL THE TIME, who DO live that way. It simply never occurs to them to recognise what they don't know, and "Do the research".So, I DO think its entirely possible that 'someone screwed up".

Also, the fact that so many of the mainstream media DID accept this document, without hiring someone with the expertise to analise it, belays your argument; It DID 'serve the purpose' of getting the headlines that "Obama releases long form birth certificate, this isssue is resolved".

And another argument that can be made, using your same logic; This issue FIRST came up when BO was running against Hillary; If he HAD a "Legitimate" birth certificate, WHY didn't he release it, back then??? Why did tis issue continue to percolate for years, un-addressed??Jim
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Old 03-07-2012, 05:01 PM
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I have previously expressed consternation, etc. regarding "WHY are the 'mainstream Repubs so lock-step behind Romoney?" If we set aside, for the moment Rick's suggestion (that this is all planned, that Romoney will go down in flames, and a 'savior' will be brought forth at the convention) I have an explanation that 'works for me'.

As the media, pundits and politicians are saying, this IS a fight for the soul of the party. "Hardcore" Conservative/Libertarians believe that if the Conservative Libertarian phylosophy is CLEARLY articulated to the American people, and offered as a clear, stark alternative to the Liberal/Progressive view, that the majority will vote for the Conservative/Libertarian, every time.

Party leaders/elites don't have confidence in the American people, and they don't have confidence in Conservative libertarian ideals.

So, (another way of saying it); Party 'faithful' want another Ronald Reagan, whereas Party Leaders fear another Barry Goldwater.They are all concerned about the need to get the 'independent' voters in the general, and so fear a nominee thats seen as 'too conservative'. They want a candidate with 'cross-party' appeal, who can get Independents, and democrats.

Ironically, RP HAS 'cross party appeal'; he appeals to not only 'tea partiers', but 'occupiers', Democrats, Independents AND 'hard core' conservatives. Regretably, he is not as great a communicator as he NEEDS to be, and will be fighting BOTH the organised parties, much as Perot and Goldwater did.

And yeah, it DOES sound like Sarah is 'keeping her options open'. Not sure how I feel about that,......Jim
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Old 03-08-2012, 02:49 AM
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I've long thought that "they" left this dangling out there to keep the birthers busy. I see that it consumes this thread as well. So either President Obama has the Ace up his sleeve, or he doesn't we might never know. Either way much time and effort is spent on this rather than something like getting RP elected, fighting voter fraud and putting it in the forefront of the mainstream media. interesting stuff on the memory card manipulation, now we know how President Al Gore felt. Even if by some crazy turn of events, President Obama was pulled from office - RP would not be next in line. there is much to be said for momentum in this race, and if all said on voter fraud is true, it sure took the wind out of RP's sails early on. It would not take but a fraction of his supporters to hold some sort of rally to get it in the news.
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First up on the feasting table: Mitt Romney, the candidate who might have the best chance to beat President Obama in 2012. But Li’l Mittens has “issues.” His professional flip-floppery doesn’t sit well with the TeaPublican base, but more than that, his choice of religion is a big problem. For them, he’s simply not Jesus-centric enough, because he’s a Mormon, and
the majority of evangelicals in this country think of Mormonism as being nothing more than a false religious cult.

“I think Mitt Romney’s a good, moral man, but I think those of us who are born-again followers of Christ should always prefer a competent Christian to a competent non-Christian like Mitt Romney.”

The Cult Factor: Mitt Romney’s Mormonism Comes into Play (VIDEO) | Veracity Stew

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Old 03-08-2012, 03:35 PM
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Romoney "Gaff"

He was being intrveiwed the a.m. after super tuesday.They didn't show the interviewers question, (on the Nat'l news) but it must of been something about the possibility of a 'brokered convention' and someone entering the race AT the convention. His responce was something like " Oh, no Cris, rest assured we WON'T have a 'brokered' convention, and the eventual nominee WILL be one of the 4 candidates currently in the race."

On the surface, it was just answering the question. But, in watching it, it seemed to me like another Gaff; he SHOULD of said something like "Rest assured, at the end of the day, I will be the nominee" . It didn't seem like false modesty; it came across like he was tired, having stayed up late watching the results, and was (unconsciously) expressing his doubts as to whether he will win the nomination.

His other gaffs are similar; he 'accidentally' betrays his true feelings/thoughts, in unguarded moments. So, maybe its wishful thinking on my part, but I take this as a sign that HE is beginning to have doubts. And, I am heartened. Considering how much $ he has,, I wish I could get in a poker game with him, with a sufficient bank. I would just wait till late in the nite, with a hand with a big pot, and wait/listen for a 'tell', and then bet the house!Jim
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The whole birther thing

is a false flag, red herring,smokescreen to cover up what really happened. I think the fact that the BC is so obviously a fraud should give pause for reflection. What if he was born in Hawaii and the document was purposelly altered to appear fake?
What purpose would that serve? Well for one it will discredit all birthers on the face of it. No I think the more serious issues lie in his school records in Indonesia (was he a citizen) and his fradulent use of SSNs from 1980-1986.
If you discredit the birthers then subsequent information on whether he was an Indonesian citizen and the SSN brought out will be viewed in that negative light and discredited.
Anyway that is where my mind is on that now.
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From the popularity of this thread

it is plain that a distrust of government is alive and well. From supressing techologies to the NDAA. From Bankers to energy companies. From wars and an increasing debt and from immigration to enitlements, all the while losing civil rights and eroding the bill of rights and the constution.
I think most see a handwriting on the wall and I guess most are like me, looking for a way to be more self-sufficent using renewable resources close at hand effectively and efficently. Using techonlogies and systems that are available to "joe the plumber." Off-grid so to speak. And the need to defend it.
I don't know others interests here outside of energy, I need to ask a question in general terms. I also don't want to derail the conversation so it maybe better asked in its own thread. If so let me know how to do that.
Does anyone here know of any plans, diagrams,schematics to build a linear accelerator that will propel metallic objects in a straight line using coils, caps, transformers, magnetics, etc.
The only thing I've found remotely similar is a PDF from 1994. There seems to be a lack of information on this lately. If you read between the lines you know what I'm looking to build.
I appreciate any help you can offer.
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is a false flag, red herring,smokescreen to cover up what really happened. I think the fact that the BC is so obviously a fraud should give pause for reflection. What if he was born in Hawaii and the document was purposelly altered to appear fake?
What purpose would that serve? Well for one it will discredit all birthers on the face of it. No I think the more serious issues lie in his school records in Indonesia (was he a citizen) and his fradulent use of SSNs from 1980-1986.
If you discredit the birthers then subsequent information on whether he was an Indonesian citizen and the SSN brought out will be viewed in that negative light and discredited.
Anyway that is where my mind is on that now.
Hi Clueless
I honestly dont think it is a smokescreen. The fact that Komrad Obama should not have been allowed to run for president in the first place is a legitamate argument which should have been adressed in 2008. Unfortunately the mainstream media is controled by the socialist/marxists in Washington. That being said I also think that nothing will be done about it until he is out of office.

So I guess instead of a smokescreen I would call the issue a diversion or distraction from the main goal which is to get Komard Obama out of office at ANY cost!
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are not what I'm referring to. My understanding is those work from plasmas and requires tons of dollars and weighs about as much. Nothing about it suggests personal.

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Video: US Navy tests 'game-changing' supersonic electromagnetic rail gun - Telegraph

how would you use this to create energy?
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Old 03-09-2012, 07:35 PM
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I THINK I can decipher the 'clues' in your post, and understand what you are asking for. I should think thorough searching on the I-net would turn something up, (remember you can get very different results, by using different search terms). I should also think you could find SOMETHING, by doing a patent search; you are certainly not the first person to think of such a device, (if I'm understanding you correctly). I believe I've even seen several different movies, where such devices were presented via Hollywood.

I suspect you just have to devote more time to looking, if you want to know what the 'prior' art is. I DO recall something about (electo) magnetism and aluminum. Can't recall the details, however. It caught my eye because i THOUGHT aluminum wasn't 'magnetic', and whatever i read indicated that in fact, with a high magnetic field, it CAN 'respond' to magnetism. Sorry don't have the link, and can't recall any more.

Anyway, as i said, IF I am understanding what your looking for, your not the first to think of it, and I'm sure a THOROUGH search will turn up any 'prior' art, and give you a starting point. And good luck, I'm sure its 'do-able', and something you could do without it weighing a million pounds, or costing a million $! Oh, and Al; theres creating alternative energy, and then there's 'securing' it. I SUSPECT this inquiry has more to do with the latter. Jim
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I’m more interested in who is the money and power behind President Obama.
Who is the money and power behind Rick Santorum
Who is the money and power behind Mitt Romney
Who make up the American Ruling Class.
Etc, etc….
That's already been uncovered here.
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I have two considerations for you...

Obviously the crooked people in high places wouldn't trust themselves to do it. Perhaps the person that they "hired" had some ethical issue behind it and left it in layers on purpose in an attempt to alert the general public If that is the case... good luck to the poor lad who was conned into faking it.

Second perhaps they sip on their cup of tea laughing at the FACT that even though it is fake, and people know it, American's have no idea how to do anything about it. They could have such control over the system that they don't even care anymore. I mean, look at how sloppy the election fraud is getting.
I'd say your observations are spot on. There are numerous proofs that the document was faked, and perhaps the most blatant example is the smiley face that appears on the letter A of the registrar's signature "stamp." And of course they are sitting back and laughing their butts off over this. I knew it was fake the moment I saw it flashed on TV on the day that Barry released it, because the fakery was so blatantly obvious. Anyone who has eyes to see, and is willing to see, would know it is fake, but millions believe it to be genuine based merely upon Barry and the media's say so. When people are that gullible, you can safely bet that some people are having quite a laugh over that gullibility, and that those who are laughing are the perpetrators and benefactors of the scam.
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Sarah Palin won't say who she voted for - Political Hotsheet - CBS News



I dunno, that sounds like she knows/confessed that "there is a plan currently out of [her] control."

I'm interested to see what happens at this convention.
Yes, Palin isn't going to rule it out, and neither will she admit this is all planned. Like she says, she will be there at the convention, and like I said earlier, I believe she will swoop in to "save the day" by becoming the convention darling and overwhelming delegate choice.
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Regarding the international incoming flight and passenger records which sheriff Arpaio's Cold Case Posse found missing from the National Archives, here is what the Posse report stated:

The hunt for airline passenger flight manifests for 1961 for foreign flights landing in Honolulu was an attempt to see if Obama’s mother returned at that time. “The idea was that if Barack Obama had been born in Kenya, or any other location outside the United States, there should be a passenger record of the airline flight on which she, a new mother, returned to Hawaii with her newly born infant son.” the report said.

But, the report continues, “to date, investigators have not been able to locate the relevant airline passenger flight manifests for 1961. Microfilm records of INS cards for passengers arriving in Honolulu on foreign flights originating around the Pacific rim in 1961 have been examined at the National Archives in Washington, D.C. Remarkably, all INS records for the week of Obama’s birth, Aug. 1 – Aug. 7, 1961, were missing from the end of Reel 184 and were not discovered anywhere on Reel 185, or any other microfilm reel in the record group. The National Archives confirmed in a letter written on National Archives stationary that the INS records for foreign flights arriving in Hawaii during the week of Obama’s birth were missing, not only on the microfilm reels examined, but also in the primary database itself,” the report said.


The very fact that the only missing records are from the week of Barry's reported birth date of August 4th would certainly be well beyond mere coincidence, and the fact that the records are missing from both the microfilm and the primary database point to a deliberate act of record theft and deletion.
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With so little having been reported by mainstream media regarding Arpaio's Cold Case Posse investigation and report, and with anything reported being trivialized and slanted against Arpaio rather than to expose Barry's lies, it seems a twist of irony that Russian news, once thought of as a state controlled propaganda machine, would be the first major international news source to give the story fair reporting.
Read it here, and note that this is a 4-page story.

I think it is pitiful when one has to resort to reading or viewing foreign news reports to discover truthful reporting. Would you not agree?
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With so little having been reported by mainstream media regarding Arpaio's Cold Case Posse investigation and report, and with anything reported being trivialized and slanted against Arpaio rather than to expose Barry's lies, it seems a twist of irony that Russian news, once thought of as a state controlled propaganda machine, would be the first major international news source to give the story fair reporting.
Read it here, and note that this is a 4-page story.

I think it is pitiful when one has to resort to reading or viewing foreign news reports to discover truthful reporting. Would you not agree?
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It doesn't surprise me one bit. The media in this country is no more than minions of the socialist elite. That is why I get my reliable news from

nzz.ch

they are always reliable, truthful and on time even more so than Fox.
Regardless I think Sheriff Arpaio should put out a warrent for Komrad obama, charges would be impersonating a president and social terroism.
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Unbelievable, but true!

A young Michigan woman, after winning a $1 million lottery, was found by an investigative reporter to be using a welfare debit card to purchase food at a local market! When asked by the reporter if she really thought this was an okay thing to do, she responded, “I feel that it’s OK because, I mean, I have no income and I have bills to pay,” she said. “I have two houses. It’s just hard, you know. I’m struggling,” she added.

"No income,' huh? "Struggling?"

The sad thing about this story is that this woman is typical of the mindset that believes it is just fine to let others pick up the tab for her support even though she has more than enough resources to support herself. For her, and a great many others, it is not even a question of morality. She simply feels she is somehow entitled to receive and use these benefits. I guess we could say that perhaps it's not her fault that she has this mindset, and that she probably comes from a family that has been on welfare for generations and doesn't know any other way of living. In any case, wouldn't you think that anyone living on welfare and then winning the lottery would be thinking or saying, "Thank goodness I now have the resources to make something of my life, and don't need to rely on welfare any more."
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Voter ID

I just read that Komad Obama and Kommisar Holder just stopped a Texas law which would require voters to show ID. Even though the State of Texas already voted for and approved the law.
Here in Pennsylvania we are getting ready to do the same. Our Senate already approved the law, our house is expected to pass the same and our Govenor is looking forward to signing it. Additionally all the marixist (I mean Democrats) were on the local news and talk radio stations trying to tell us how bad it is that we would have to show ID to vote.

What are the democrats trying trying to hide cover up or prevent???? My wild guess is that the law will provent ILLEGAL aliens from voting. It will also prevent voter fraud. Gee this law is a bad idea NOT!
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Pretty sure,...

We (In Arizona) still HAVE such a law. Voters MUST show 2 forms (I THINK it is) of I.D. in order to vote.If they don't have a drivers license, they can get a state issued I.D., Its issued by the DMV, has their picture on it, etc. Its what people who can't/don't get, so they can cash checks, etc. If they can't afford the fee for the I.D., they can get it for free, I think.

If a voter shows up at the polls, and they don't have 'adequate' I.D., or if there is any OTHER question, (such as they insist they are at the 'right' polling place, and ARE registerd,but their name isn't on the list of registered voters) they fill out a "Provisional" ballot, and ARE allowed to vote. Then, election officials go over all such Provisional voters, and compare the signature on the ballot with the signature on the registration, etc. and attempt to resolve any questions regarding whether the person WAS legally entitled to vote. If so, their vote is counted, and any voter who used a provisional ballot is supposed to be able to check, within 10 days, to detirmine whether their vote WAS counted.

Of all the LAME arguments that Dems make, this argument against insuring that voters are who they say they are is perhaps the LAMEST. Their argument seems to be it will "Disenfranchise voters"; especially the poor. A 'poor' person has to have I.D. to get and use their food stamps, cash their welfare check, etc. How can you even FUNCTION in this society, without an I.D.? In this state, if an officer requests, you are required by law to show them a legal I.D., whether you are driving a car, or not. Its a $180 fine if you don't. So, how in the world is it an 'undue burden' or 'disenfranchising voters' to require them to prove who they are, when they vote?????

And how else are we to prevent people from voting numerous times, and voting as dead people who are still on the registration lists? I STILL think the purple ink, like they use in some countries, is a good idea.

So, Dems are running a CANDIDATE who's not legally qualified, and want VOTERS who are not legally qualified to be able to vote for him. At least they get 'points' for consistency! Jim
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