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Old 02-13-2012, 07:28 PM
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Fox to drop Judge Napolitano's Freedom Watch show

As reported today by World Net Daily News (WND):

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Judge Andrew Napolitano’s “Freedom Watch” on Fox Business Channel, arguably the
most hard-hitting conservative show on TV, is being dropped by the network later this month in a major shakeup of the lineup.

In response, WND Editor Joseph Farah, who appeared on Napolitano’s show
earlier this week, said: “Say goodbye to the most uncompromisingly Conservative program on TV. It may have been the only show on TV that measured politics and economics through the lens of the U.S. Constitution.”
It's not difficult to understand why Napolitano's very popular TV show was dropped by Fox. Watch this 4 minute and 27 second video excerpt (Judge Napolitano.How to get fired from Fox Business in under 5 mins - YouTube ) from a recent show, and it will be quite clear. Napolitano dares to really tell it like it is, and to ask the questions that need asking, and that of course is against the mainstream media rulebook.
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Who is racking up delegates?

We keep seeing the media reports that Ron Paul is always edged out in straw polls, caucuses, and primaries, and much of this may not be reported truthfully due to blatant rigging and vote fraud. What is more important than these results, however, is the number of delegates that are won, and it is becoming clear that Ron Paul is successfully racking up delegates. Media pundits are well aware of this fact, as evidenced in this MSNBC "Morning Joe" segment from January 12th. In speaking of a possible Republican "brokered convention," one of the crew says that, "The problem with a brokered convention scenario is that you have to get somebody who's won a lot of delegates, and right now it's Ron Paul." Upon hearing that remark, Mika Brzezinski (yes, she's the daughter of Zbigniew Brzezinski, Jimmy Carter's National Security Advisor) immediately exclaims, "Oh dear!"

So how is Ron Paul racking up the delegates if he hasn't won in any of the state contests? It is because he has been organizing efforts to get supporters to come out to these events and either offer to be a delegate, or cast their vote for a Ron Paul supporter delegate. And, the strategy is definitely working, as MSNBC's leftist political pundit Rachel Maddow explains, and Ron Paul campaign senior advisor Doug Wead confirms, in this video segment: Did Ron Paul Win Iowa, Nevada, Minnesota, Colorado and Missouri? - YouTube As Rachel points out, Santorum supporters were good at coming out to vote for him in the straw poll, but then evidently left to go home and celebrate afterwards, failing to stay for the business of nominating and electing delegates to the state convention, where delegates will be chosen for the national convention. Meanwhile, the Ron Paul supporters were prepared to stay and vote for delegates. As an example, in one Larimer County, Colorado precinct, the straw poll results were 23 for Santorum, 13 for Paul, 5 for Romney, and 2 for Gingrich. There were 13 delegate spots in that precinct, and Ron Paul got ALL 13.

Here in Maine it appears clear that Ron Paul will actually win out over Romney, the reported winner, in the straw poll when the 1800 missing Washington County votes are tallied on Saturday, and added to the other caucus results. More importantly, though, it is expected that the vast majority of delegates to the Maine convention will be Ron Paul supporters.
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Regarding the delegate count; I believe this is very similar to what ANOTHER 'Libertarian' candidate did, many years ago. Barry Goldwater also used a strong, devoted grass roots campaign, to insure that HE had a majority of delegates, come the convention.

The maintream party 'powers that be' were supporting Nelson Rockefeller; a RICH, East Coast 'Liberal' (or 'Moderate') candidate. Talk about history repeating itself.

Thing is, if RP DOES succeed in winning the nomination, I fear history will ALSO repeat itself; mainstream party elite will not only not support RP, but will even work to assure his defeat, and will use 'foriegn policy' as the 'club', just like they did with Goldwater.

I note the Santorum people have pointed out that anyone can vote in the Cpac straw poll, if they have the price of admission, and they are saying Romney 'stacked the vote' by paying the entry fee, to have a lot of his supporters get in. He is so BLATANTLY trying to buy the nomination! After all, how could any group of 'true, hard core conservatives' vote for him, I don't care how many times in his speech to them he insists he's a conservative!

When I see a candidate and his supporters resorting, in such a systematic and blatant way, to such tactics, its really scary.Jim
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I heard about; Romney is sitting on an elephants lap, and the elephant is dressed as Santa Clause. Captions is "You tell ME what I want for X-mas"

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After all, how could any group of 'true, hard core conservatives' vote for him, I don't care how many times in his speech to them he insists he's a conservative!
Hi Jim,
That answer is simple. We (conservatives) would vote for anyone running against that marxist crook currently in office.
We are at a huge cross roads in this country. If he is voted out we have a chance of surviving as a nation. If (May God Almighty forbid it) the marxist is re-elected we will got down the darkest path our nation has ever known. We will cease to exist as a prosperous nation and be nothing more than a pale shadow of what we were.
IF the marixst is re-elected drastic things will need to be done. Things I would rather not see done. Personally I see only two option flee or fight. I honestly think our nation will have only those two options left.
We as a nation are that desporate to remove him from office that we would vote for anyone even Romney to exract the marxist SOB from the White House.
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That answer is simple. We (conservatives) would vote for anyone running against that marxist crook currently in office.
We are at a huge cross roads in this country. If he is voted out we have a chance of surviving as a nation. If (May God Almighty forbid it) the marxist is re-elected we will got down the darkest path our nation has ever known. We will cease to exist as a prosperous nation and be nothing more than a pale shadow of what we were.
IF the marixst is re-elected drastic things will need to be done. Things I would rather not see done. Personally I see only two option flee or fight. I honestly think our nation will have only those two options left.
We as a nation are that desporate to remove him from office that we would vote for anyone even Romney to exract the marxist SOB from the White House.
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Jesse Ventura on Ron Paul

Jesse Ventura always says exactly what is on his mind, and doesn't back down when media pundits call him out for what he is saying. I think he should be admired for that.

In this interview on the Alex Jones show, Jesse explains why Ron Paul's domestic, monetary, and foreign policy is right for America, and why he endorses Ron. He concludes by saying, "The only way out of this problem is by electing someone like Ron Paul. He's the only way out. Any of these other guys - it's going to be business as usual, people. You're going to have the same government that you've had for the last 50 years if you elect anyone but Ron Paul."

A lot of folks are suggesting that Jesse Ventura would be a great running mate for Vice President with Ron Paul, and I would agree. I'd love to see either Jesse or judge Napolitano selected. Just imagine either one of them in a debate with Joe Biden.
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Thing is, if RP DOES succeed in winning the nomination, I fear history will ALSO repeat itself;
The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
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Regarding the delegate count; I believe this is very similar to what ANOTHER 'Libertarian' candidate did, many years ago. Barry Goldwater also used a strong, devoted grass roots campaign, to insure that HE had a majority of delegates, come the convention.

The maintream party 'powers that be' were supporting Nelson Rockefeller; a RICH, East Coast 'Liberal' (or 'Moderate') candidate. Talk about history repeating itself.

Thing is, if RP DOES succeed in winning the nomination, I fear history will ALSO repeat itself; mainstream party elite will not only not support RP, but will even work to assure his defeat, and will use 'foreign policy' as the 'club', just like they did with Goldwater.
Remember, though that Goldwater did win the nomination. He might well have won the Presidency too if the Republican party had supported him from the start as the most conservative candidate, instead of bringing out Rockefeller, Lodge, and Scranton to try and make Goldwater look like a jackass. Of course Goldwater contributed to his loss to Lyndon Johnson when he made the statement that, " "sometimes I think this country would be better off if we could just saw off the Eastern Seaboard and let it float out to sea." He meant that in reference to liberal and moderate Republicans in the northeast, who he blamed for not being true conservatives, but Johnson's campaign picked up on the statement and used it in a highly effective TV ad designed to make people believe that Goldwater couldn't be trusted to govern fairly. Johnson's TV ad.

We already know that neither Gingrich nor Santorum can possibly capture the required number of delegates to win the nomination before the convention, but as long as they stay in the race and win some delegates then Romney probably won't have enough either. The one thing we can be sure of is that the Ron Paul delegates will refuse to shift and cast their votes for another candidate, so the only way Romney can win is if Gingrich and Santorum delegates shift their backing to Romney. Of course that will be the aim of party higher-ups, who will do a lot of dealing and arm twisting. But many of those Gingrich and Santorum supporters who have strongly opposed Romney for good reasons may well opt to shift their backing to Ron Paul as the only reasonable alternative, especially when they realize that regardless of the outcome at the convention Ron Paul will be on the ballot. If Republicans want to win in 2012 then they can't do it unless they back Ron Paul, and that's the reality they must face.
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Bizzy; I agree with what you are saying re; Obama, but I also agree with shadez; Romney IS Obama; same old wine, in a brand new bottle.
I think maybe you didn't grasp what I was saying, in a previous post.
IF, and its a BIG IF, I could be assured the tea party type conservatives would 'run' Congress, I would as soon have Obama as pres. as have Romney.
This is BECAUSE Romney is just Obama, in a 'new bottle'. And, would HATE to see Romney win, and have a Congress dominated by 'mainstrem', 'establishment' repubs, OR a split with such repubs running one house, and dems running the other.

And yes, Rickoff, thats exactly what I foresee, if RP succeeds in capturing the nomination; history repeating itself. "Mainstream" repubs, just as they did with Goldwater, will try to undermine RP. If the Tea Party were to make a clean break from the Repub party, I would change my registration. I am very discuted with the Repub party, and their nearly wholesale lining up behind Romney is just the latest in a long string of reasons.

I don't register as an independent because in my state, only registered repubs can vote in the repub primary, and I want to TRY to influence who the 'alternative' is to BO. Right now I'm torn between voting for Santorum, (for the reasons Rickoff suggested) and voting directly for who I am REALLY for, which would be RP. Not that my vote is going to make the difference.

And yeah, the 'hardcore' supporters of Santorum and Gingrich are well aware of the underhanded tactics the Romney people have been blatantly using, to try to buy the nomination. I DO believe there are some who feel they would NEVER, (as delegates) cast their lot with Romney.And so RP becomes their only alternative.

Unfortunately, 'they' will hang RP, with his 'foriegn policy' statements, just as they did with Goldwater. And RP, should he win the nomination, will be running AGAINST the Repub establishment, as well as the Democratic party/Obama machine. And, just like Goldwater, he won't stand a chance!

"Those that don't study and learn from their history, are DOOMED to repeat it"

So sad,...4 more years of BO will be as bad for this country, as the second term of LBJ, and thats saying a lot! Don't think our country can survive it.

Only remote hope would be a 'neutered' BO, who would be constrained by a tea party dominated Congress, but don't see that happening, either.

Fight or flee, yeah, its really starting to look that way, Bizzy.

Either Obama lite, (Romney), or a RP defeat, and BO for 4 more.
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Bizzy; I agree with what you are saying re; Obama, but I also agree with shadez; Romney IS Obama; same old wine, in a brand new bottle.
I think maybe you didn't grasp what I was saying, in a previous post.
IF, and its a BIG IF, I could be assured the tea party type conservatives would 'run' Congress, I would as soon have Obama as pres. as have Romney.
This is BECAUSE Romney is just Obama, in a 'new bottle'. And, would HATE to see Romney win, and have a Congress dominated by 'mainstrem', 'establishment' repubs, OR a split with such repubs running one house, and dems running the other.

And yes, Rickoff, thats exactly what I foresee, if RP succeeds in capturing the nomination; history repeating itself. "Mainstream" repubs, just as they did with Goldwater, will try to undermine RP. If the Tea Party were to make a clean break from the Repub party, I would change my registration. I am very discuted with the Repub party, and their nearly wholesale lining up behind Romney is just the latest in a long string of reasons.

I don't register as an independent because in my state, only registered repubs can vote in the repub primary, and I want to TRY to influence who the 'alternative' is to BO. Right now I'm torn between voting for Santorum, (for the reasons Rickoff suggested) and voting directly for who I am REALLY for, which would be RP. Not that my vote is going to make the difference.

And yeah, the 'hardcore' supporters of Santorum and Gingrich are well aware of the underhanded tactics the Romney people have been blatantly using, to try to buy the nomination. I DO believe there are some who feel they would NEVER, (as delegates) cast their lot with Romney.And so RP becomes their only alternative.

Unfortunately, 'they' will hang RP, with his 'foriegn policy' statements, just as they did with Goldwater. And RP, should he win the nomination, will be running AGAINST the Repub establishment, as well as the Democratic party/Obama machine. And, just like Goldwater, he won't stand a chance!

"Those that don't study and learn from their history, are DOOMED to repeat it"

So sad,...4 more years of BO will be as bad for this country, as the second term of LBJ, and thats saying a lot! Don't think our country can survive it.

Only remote hope would be a 'neutered' BO, who would be constrained by a tea party dominated Congress, but don't see that happening, either.

Fight or flee, yeah, its really starting to look that way, Bizzy.

Either Obama lite, (Romney), or a RP defeat, and BO for 4 more.
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Ok that makes it much more clear. And don't get me wrong I don't support Romney,( my candidate just won three states a week ago )But we all know how bad the marxist is, no one not even Romney could be as bad as the marxist, which is why I will hold my nose and vote for obamalite if I have to...I do like referring to him as Obmamlite, Ill have to tell my wife that one too.
And I agree it is the the same old wine just a differnt bottle...however my wife and I make our own wine
Which in a way is why I am ready to either either fight or flight. In fact it is the first time I have been able to convince my wife to honestly consider moving to Switzerland and seek politcal sanctuary.
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Which in a way is why I am ready to either either fight or flight. In fact it is the first time I have been able to convince my wife to honestly consider moving to Switzerland and seek politcal sanctuary.
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You see, most of the directors of Swiss banks are not locals anymore, they are foreigners, mostly Anglo-Saxon, either American or British, they don't respect our neutrality, they don't respect our values, they are against our direct democracy, they just use the Swiss banks for their illegal means. They use huge amounts of money created out of nothing and they destroy our society and destroy the people world wide just for greed. They seek power and destroy whole countries, like Greece, Spain, Portugal or Ireland and Switzerland will be one of the last in line.
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Jan. 18, 2012

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The White Hats and Ed Falcone have been in London all this week meeting daily with key parties interfacing with the House of Lords and UK Agencies. Multiple agendas are in play at the highest levels. The White Hats are using the U.K. arena to commence their work due to the total control that the Dark Cabal ... Bushes, Clintons, Obamas and all of their Minions ... has had in the United States, including the American Main Stream Media. It is difficult to believe the Bushes have gone undetected for 50 years with a hidden agenda that is so deep they have compromised every American virtue.

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However, we have Romney being prepared for office - A dubious man who stole Ed Falcone’s funds and pocketed a Billion for himself. We also have an illegal President with no Birth Certificate, with his hands in the pockets of Wall Street, with some very dangerous socialists and communists advisors, and America’s own fanatical version of Dr. Strangelove -- conspiring and planning to get Jeb Bush elected as the next Vice President, or even President, once the pending writs are served on Romney. It looks like Romney may also face real IRS investigation soon on his false Tax Returns.
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You see, most of the directors of Swiss banks are not locals anymore, they are foreigners, mostly Anglo-Saxon, either American or British, they don't respect our neutrality, they don't respect our values, they are against our direct democracy, they just use the Swiss banks for their illegal means. They use huge amounts of money created out of nothing and they destroy our society and destroy the people world wide just for greed. They seek power and destroy whole countries, like Greece, Spain, Portugal or Ireland and Switzerland will be one of the last in line.
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Hi Al
Are you Swiss? I am American but my ancestory is German and Swiss I also speak fluent German and very passable Swiss German. I am also teaching myself Latin so I can learn Romasch
I studied in Konstanz am Bodensee but spent most of my free time traveling in Switzerland while I was there. My family is originally from Appenzell Außerroden We left in 1848 but still had relatives there until the last one died in 1956.
Yes I know about foreingers in the banks, I have always believed it was those same foreingers who have perverted the banks and allowed them to bend to the whims of komrad obama. They have been an embarassment to the country and the industry as a whole. Unfortunately that is one of the risks they took by becoming multinational companies.
Regardless I still would love to move my family back to Appenzell although I think my wife would rather be in St Gallen or even Kreuzlingen. Some place close enough to the cities but far enough away to avoid them. With my experience as a commercial collector and forclosures I could very easily get a job there doing international collection work.
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"Ok that makes it much more clear. And don't get me wrong I don't support Romney,( my candidate just won three states a week ago )But we all know how bad the marxist is, no one not even Romney could be as bad as the marxist, which is why I will hold my nose and vote for obamalite if I have to...I do like referring to him as Obmamlite, Ill have to tell my wife that one too."

Romney would be WORSE, in so may ways. For one thing it would be portrayed and percieved that a Repub and a Conserve had won; therefore anything that followed, He, (and by association, Repubs and conserves) would get the blame for, as he would continue the same policies, raping our economy and ruining the country.

And then, it 4 years he is voted out, and we get ANOTHER Liberal Democrat in, call him/her 'son of O'bama'.

This is a major part of the debate going on, amongst Repub primary voters; We MUST defeat BO, but it is JUST as important, what we replace him with!
We CANNOT survive another 4 years with BO, OR BO Lite! Have to have a strong conservative, with conviction, to try to reverse the disastrous policies of the last 12+ years. I say 12+ because the Congress repealed Grass/Hartley, (I think its called), and sold out to Fann's and the banks/wall street, at least 12 years back. All the swilling at the trough, of Repub Congress during Bush years.

I USED to believe like Rick; cut taxes so as to 'dock' Congresses allowance, as a way to restrain Government. But, they just engage in deficit spending, so cutting taxes makes NO difference. They are right now passing 150 Billion in additional deficit spending, in order to prolong the payroll tax holiday, extend unemployment, and the 'Doc fix'. All without commesurate cuts, or in any way funding it; they'll (We'll, as taxpayers) just borrow more $ from China. As in "What do you MEAN, I can't pay off my Visa Card, with my Mastercard?!!! What do you MEAN, I'm 'overdrawn'; I STILL have checks in my checkbook!"
And it doesn't matter whether you call yourself a 'Conservative' or a 'Liberal', a 'Repub' or a 'Democrat', and apperently it doesn't even matter if you call yourself a 'Tea partier', althoug we'll see if they revolt at this revolting display, or roll over.Jim
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I USED to believe like Rick; cut taxes so as to 'dock' Congresses allowance, as a way to restrain Government.
I can't remember ever saying that tax cuts could be used as a way to restrain government. Government, or more precisely what most people refer to as our "government," definitely is in serious need of restraining, and the list of those applicable restraints has been in place ever since the Constitution was ratified. But since neither the Corporation U.S. "president" nor its "Congress" abide by the Constitution, and since the Corporation U.S. Department of inJustice and judicial system will not respond to citizen complaints of unconstitutional "government official" actions, there is no effective restraint that can be exercised upon said "government" other than by replacing those currently seated in this "government" with dedicated individuals who will abide by the Constitution. That is the only way that we can restrain those in Washington D.C., and in our state capitols, from further unsound borrowing and spending.

That said, taxes do need to be cut, and should be cut. We are taxed to death (and even afterwards). On the face of it, a balanced budget Amendment might seem to make sense, as Congress could then not spend any more than it has budgeted for the year, but the problem with that approach is that Congress would then simply increase the amount that it budgets in order to cover any pork barrel spending which they intend to impose on us. Capping spending at current levels is also not the answer, as we simply can not afford to continue to spend what we are currently spending or our nation will soon be totally bankrupt. A balanced budget Amendment would not be effective unless it also cuts spending back to levels of a decade or more ago, and caps spending at that sustainable level, which must also include actual annual debt reduction.
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I was going from my memory, which is always a perilous thing for me to do. Thought I recalled you making the argument ealier, of cutting taxes as a way to restarin Gov't.
I AGREE a "Balanced Budget Amendment" is not, in and of itself, the answer.My STATE, theoretically, is required to balance its budget, every year, as are many others. I don't know how well that works in other states, but here Govenor and legislature, (both parties) conspire to use bookkeping tricks to get around the requirement. I'm sure, if we DID have a Balanced Budget Amendment at the national level, it wouldn't take D.C. any time at all to figure out how to get around it. They would probably write loopholes into it, at the outset.
Its like LINE ITEM VETO; a 'good' idea, but not one that, in and of itself, will 'fix' the problem. Firstly, it requires a President with the fortitude to use it.And, it just means there is another chip, for bargaining.

You keep saying sending people to DC who will abide by the Constitution, etc.
Thats what i THOUGHT we did, when we sent "Tea Party" reps. to D.C. People who weren't concerned about re-election, and who went there promising to reign in Gov.'t spending.
Lets see how they cave, on voting for this unfunded extension of the payroll tax holiday, increase in unemployment Ins. and "Doc fix" bill. Another 150 billion $'s, that 'we'll' borrow from China. AND NO OFFSETS! Sure didn't take long, for the "Tea Partiers" to become seduced by Washington. Will also be interesting to see how many of them run for re-election. Another sign of seduction.

There are certain jobs, where you are 'monitired' by a TV camera; I worked for awhile as nite cashier, at a gas station. I didn't mind it, cause if any customer alleged i had 'short changed' them, they could come back in the a.m., and review the tapes with my boss. Anyway, wish we could put a camera, on all Congressman, 24/7. Imagine what we would see!
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You keep saying sending people to DC who will abide by the Constitution, etc.
Thats what I THOUGHT we did, when we sent "Tea Party" reps. to D.C. People who weren't concerned about re-election, and who went there promising to reign in Gov.'t spending.
Lets see how they cave, on voting for this unfunded extension of the payroll tax holiday, increase in unemployment Ins. and "Doc fix" bill. Another 150 billion $'s, that 'we'll' borrow from China. AND NO OFFSETS! Sure didn't take long, for the "Tea Partiers" to become seduced by Washington. Will also be interesting to see how many of them run for re-election. Another sign of seduction.
The biggest problem so far with the TEA Party reps is that there just aren't enough of them to force a showdown with Congress, and there probably still won't be enough in 2012 (definitely not in the Senate). They were adamant about the need for spending cuts, spending caps, and a balanced budget, and wanted to go further than even the Ryan plan did. That, of course, resulted in outright bullying by Boehner and the establishment Republicans, and the Democrats falsely blaming the TEA Party reps for what they claimed would necessitate cutting or delaying government payments to military personnel, and to Social Security and Medicare recipients.

I don't have the time available right now to do the research, but it would be interesting to make a list of all the TEA Party backed candidates who won elections in 2010, and then determine how each one of them voted in important matters regarding the national debt and constitutional issues. These representatives should be taking the same route as Ron Paul, who first examines every bill as to its constitutionality. If what is being proposed is not authorized by the Constitution, that should be the end of it. If some of the TEA Party reps are voting improperly then we need to know who they are so that they can be replaced in 2012.
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What's the REAL plan of action for GOP?

Here's what I think may very likely be the real strategy being employed by the GOP:

1. Set up a field of several establishment candidates, none of which garners overwhelming public support or enthusiasm.
2. Keep the media talking about this in order to drive the idea of limp support and enthusiasm deep into the public's minds.
3. Make the people believe that none of the candidates is going to have much chance at beating Barry next November.
4. Make the public bored to death by promoting numerous unproductive debates where foolish questions are asked and the real issues are avoided.
5. In the primaries and caucuses, use fraudulent tactics such as ballot stuffing, ballot dumping, or denial of balloting rights, to ensure the desired outcome.
6. The GOP's actual desired outcome is to have no candidate emerge as a clear winner, and obtain the needed delegates before the national convention, so that the result is a brokered convention.
7. At the brokered convention, the goal will be to have a stalemate situation. It is already known that neither Gingrich nor Santorum can possibly gain enough delegates to win nomination, and Ron Paul delegates will not shift their support to any other candidate. So what happens when Romney can't get the Gingrich or Santorum delegates to switch to his side either?
8. As I see it, it will be at this point that the true GOP game plan unveils itself in the form of Sarah Palin jumping into the game. With her widespread appeal to TEA Party groups and others, she will be seen as the only person being able to generate the kind of enthusiasm needed to bring all elements of the Republican party together. Having made it clear, several times, that she won't endorse Romney, Gingrich and Santorum delegates will have no problem supporting her, and will hope for a deal where she would choose their man as a VP running mate. Knowing there is no way he can win, Mitt would concede the nomination to Palin by encouraging his delegates to support her, expecting that he would be chosen as her VP running mate in return. This scenario of course takes Ron Paul out of the equation because it gives Palin the required number of delegates to win the nomination.

If the above becomes reality, and I think there's a very good chance that it will, it should be clear to all of us that all of this was preplanned to go down exactly in this manner. The advantage that this gives to Palin is tremendous. She gets to stay out of the spotlight, out of the debates, and out of the personal attack ads that have brought about an unprecedented divisiveness in the Republican party, and retains this advantage all the way to the national convention, where she suddenly shows up to "save the day" and reunite the party. Since the convention will be held in Tampa, Florida on August 27th, this will give the Democrat party little more than two months to attempt to destroy Palin. Of course they, and the media, will stop at nothing to do that, and will likely roll out all of the same tactics they used against her in 2008, while looking for new ways to discredit her.
Winning the election might prove a whole lot more difficult for her than winning the nomination, and if she did win the election then what could we expect from her? She espouses a firm regard for the Constitution, and talks a good talk, but where does she really stand on the most critical issues which need to be resolved if we are to save this nation? For example, would she push to end the Federal Reserve? She has spoken out against the Fed's "quantitative easing" policy, but that's not like calling for a full Fed audit, or calling for an end to the Fed. Of course no other candidate is calling for an end to the Fed either, other than Ron Paul.
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It would be GOOD to do as you say, and research the voting record of each of the 'TEA PARTY' candidates; wouldn't be surprised if someone hasn't already done that. Of coarse, it would ALSO require reading EACH piece of legislation, thats where the real work would come in.

Surprised you haven't commented on the latest primary news, out of Maine.
I know you started this thread by saying you don't watch much TV. I do, usually NBC nightly news, and PBS Newshour; I learn a lot from what they DON'T say, and how they DON'T say it.

For instance, 2 weeks after the Iowa primary, they 'announced' the 'error', and that Santorum had actually WON. However, last night, NBC news, (NOT PBS) mentioned, in passing, (with a kind of 'repubs screwed up, AGAIN tone), that in Maine, where Romney was declared the winner, and Ron Paul came in second, the REPUB party chairman for Maine agknowledged that some of the district totals that were E-mailed to him, MAY have gone to his 'junk' folder, and been 'inadverdantly' deleted, i.e. not counted.Also, haven't heard anything about the results from that district that postponed voting, due to weather. Have they voted yet, and is this the vote results that got 'inadvertantly' deleted?

They did NOT say that RP was, in fact, the winner. They did NOT go into how 'deleted' e-mails are still recoverable, since they remain on the servers computer, they just mentioned this in passing, and then moved on.

Remember the major coverage of Florida, and the 'hanging chads'? Can you imagine in the GENERAL election, if some Secretary of STATE, HAD MADE SUCH AN AGKNOWLEDGEMENT?!!! "Ooops, I 'acccidentally' deleted several districts voting results, which MAY have changed the outcome. But,....OH WELL!!"

Outrageous! I don't know that I can buy your hypothesis of the REAL STRATEGY of the GOP. I think you give them too much credit. I have long thought (for either party) that they SHOULD strive to have a 'brokered convention' simply to generate interest, and 'free' news coverage. After all, these conventions where the nominee is already decided, are BORING.

However, While I think this MAY have been one of the reasons for changing, in some states, to proportional delegates, I think 'their' thinking was "We want to do this, to increase interest, etc., BUT, we want 'our guy' to win.And, I think its obvious 'our guy' is Romney. However, I think 'they' underestimated just how much resistance Repub voters would have, to accepting Obama lite. They THOUGHT they had a strategy for getting him through; support/finance a # of 'conservative' cadidates, so as to split the conservative vote, so that Romney could win the primaries. If/when any one 'conservative' candidate seems to galvanise conservative voters, sling $ and mud, in a massive negative ad blitz. Keep emphasising how Romney has the $, and the organisation, and is inevitable. If, in fact, Santorum succeeds in trounsing Romney in Michigan, I don't think 'they' HAVE a plan "b", and, so will probably just keep doing what they've been doing.

I DO like the ad Santorums people came up with, to counter ROMNEYS attack ads; the one with the Romney look-alike pursueing Santorum cut-outs thru a building, wielding a machine gun. HE keeps shooting 'mud' at the cut-outs, and missing.Points out, as Gingrich TRIED to do, that this has been Romneys modus operandi; to sling mud at his opponents, without giving voters a reason to vote FOR Romney. I hope it will be effective, and Abe will be proved RIGHT; that you CAN'T fool all the people, all the time.

On the other hand, with the amount of $ being spent, to try to force Romney down our throats, (despite our obvious gagging), real question if Santorum will be able to resist the influence on him, such $ CAN BRING TO BEAR.

I do wonder if the plan "B" is another term of BO; the old 'back both contenders, so that you have influence, no matter who wins'.

Will also be interesting to see if any more signs of vote tampering come out, especially in Michigan. Talking heads say Romney could survive a 'loss' in Michigan, but NOT a real, clearcut trounsing. So, they may not stuff for a win, but just enough to make it look close.Look for more 'lights out', 'oops, deleted e-mails' kind of stories, which WON'T get much/any coverage, by the mainstream media.

One would THINK that some aspiring reporter/blogger would 'infiltrate' a campaign, as an enthusiastic volunteer, and document WITH EVDENCE what REALLY goes on.Similarly, one could get a job as a 'staffer' for a Congressman' and do an 'expose'. And then, write a book.What stories they could tell!Jim
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Ambassador Wanta has court documentation that he is owed $7.2 trillion dollars, private capital designated for one purpose, rebuilding the American economy.

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Reagan assigned Wanta to a project to raise huge amounts of money trading currency. Some of this is on the internet and much of it is correct. The total amount raised, based on collateral supplied by the US Department of Treasury in a secret intelligence operation was 27 trillion USD.

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Surprised you haven't commented on the latest primary news, out of Maine........last night, NBC news mentioned..... that in Maine, where Romney was declared the winner, and Ron Paul came in second, the REPUB party chairman for Maine agknowledged that some of the district totals that were E-mailed to him, MAY have gone to his 'junk' folder, and been 'inadverdantly' deleted, i.e. not counted. Also, haven't heard anything about the results from that district that postponed voting, due to weather. Have they voted yet, and is this the vote results that got 'inadvertently' deleted?
Sorry I didn't get to an update sooner. With so much on my plate, I just couldn't find the time earlier. Anyways, here's the low down:

Maine's Washington and Hancock counties finally did hold their caucuses yesterday, which had been scheduled for February 11th, but were called off by party leaders for the lame excuse of an expected snowstorm (actual snowfall less than 2 inches, which is nothing here in Maine). Voter turnout at these caucuses was good, and as expected, Ron Paul was the clear winner by a 2 to 1 margin over Romney.

Last week, Maine Republican Party Chairman Charlie Webster said that votes from Washington County and parts of Hancock County that had not yet caucused would not be counted because the caucuses would be held after the party’s February 11 deadline. This caused a great many Mainers to cry foul, and turned out to be just a portion of the underhanded scheming that was going on. For example, when the Bangor Daily News (BDN) ran a town-by-town compilation of voting results, it was found that several towns where caucuses had been held were not included in the vote tallies! If you take a moment to look at the BDN report, and scroll down through the list while keeping an eye on the "Total" column at far right, you will see that there were actually a large number of towns throughout the state that were not figured in to the early reported results. Much of this occurred in Waldo County, having a population of 39,000, and where voters were so incensed that they called for censure of Charlie Webster for mishandling of the caucuses. Twenty of the 26 cities in Waldo County were not included in the earlier tallies! Incidentally, these are the voting reports that Webster had claimed were "accidentally" deleted. Another contentious situation arose in the city of Waterville, in Kennebec County, which is one of the larger cities in Maine. Waterville also had no vote tallies figured into the early state results, and the actual count in Waterville was 5 for Romney and 21 for Paul. The ruckus over these omissions caused party leaders to rethink their position, and on Thursday they asked town committee chairs to resubmit their results. It was also announced that Washington County votes on Saturday, Feb 18, would be included in the state totals. On Friday, Feb 17, after counting resubmitted tallies, it was announced that Romney had a slightly larger lead over Ron Paul than had previously been reported. The earlier results had shown Romney having a lead of around 189 votes over Paul, but the "revised results" showed Romney having a 239 vote lead. To me, this sounds very suspicious, and smacks of very possible ballot stuffing in an attempt to ensure Romney as the ultimate winner even after the Washington County results were figured in. Party leaders knew how many voters had turned out at the 2008 Washington County caucuses, and could reasonably figure that a similar or slightly larger turnout could be expected this time arount, and thus had a pretty good idea of how much ballot stuffing needed to take place to ensure Romney would win. After the Saturday, Feb 18 caucuses were held, and the results added in, it was reported that statewide totals still had Romney leading Paul by 117 votes. That was an unofficial tally reported by the Bangor Daily News. The "official" results will be released by the Maine Republican State Committee after their March 10 meeting.

It should be noted that party leaders only conceded that Washington County should be included because their caucus had been originally scheduled to occur before their declared February 11 deadline Whether Hancock County and other post-Feb. 11 GOP caucus straw poll results, such as the Castine caucus scheduled for March 3rd, will be included in a final tally remains to be seen. That issue will be on the agenda of a March 10 meeting of the Republican State Committee. The Hancock County results, showing 60 votes for Paul and 23 for Romney (a 37 vote difference), would lower Romney's reported lead, and if the remaining post deadline caucuses were also figured in then that small lead could shrink further or even evaporate altogether. If the party's ballot manipulations weren't figured well enough to ensure a Romney win if the post deadline caucuses are all included in the statewide talliy, then I think we can be quite confident that the committee will disallow the post deadline caucus results.

Oh, and something that I nearly forgot to mention is the fact that in Portland, Maine's largest city, caucus participants who stayed the entire six hours to vote for delegates were outraged to find out that party officials had actually tossed out the results, and claimed that the reason for doing so was because the number of ballots had exceeded the number of registrants. Many of those participating in the delegate voting (a large majority of which were Ron Paul supporters) suggested appealing the decision to void the results, and others suggested sending new ballots to all who attended the vote so that an accurate recount could be done and recorded. Whatever happens in regard to this, it sure looks to me like there was a deliberate effort to strip Ron Paul of delegates he would have fairly won. Paul supporters certainly did not need to pad their votes to win the delegates, so we can be pretty darned sure that the reported anomaly had nothing to do with them.


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I don't know that I can buy your hypothesis of the REAL STRATEGY of the GOP. I think you give them too much credit.
Does that mean you don't think they are smart enough to have come up with such a plan? It's only a hypothesis, of course, but I guess we will find out if my hunch is true when the convention takes place. Don't be so quick to rule out Palin jumping in at the convention to "save the day," as she hasn't ruled that out. And while keeping largely out of the fray, she still manages to make enough public appearances and speeches to drum up support and enthusiasm among the public.
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Rick, has any one been talking about Ron P's recent success? I may be in oz but i know that he is kicking ass

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Rick, has any one been talking about Ron P's recent success? I may be in oz but i know that he is kicking ass

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