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Old 05-10-2011, 05:38 PM
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osama bin laden for real?

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Interesting - haven't see the videos yet myself.
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PLEASE PASS THIS ON……….. and, tell me once again the name of the jackass in the White House who bad-mouths this man
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Thanks for the link, Aaron. The video link in the CNN article, of Obama supposedly watching himself on TV, did not work, but the one that was used for the ear comparison did. It is incredible that the government would release this video and claim it is authentic. On the other hand, though, it's almost as if they are deliberately taunting anyone with half a brain. It's like they are saying, "well of course it's a fake, but most people either won't notice or won't care, and will go right on celebrating Osama's death and giving Obama and the CIA a big thumbs up."

Say, I almost missed it when I went into the link you provided, but did you notice the photo of the White House Situation Room? I skipped past it to look for the photos and the video links, but when I later scrolled back up I busted out laughing when I saw "Osama" in the WH Situation Room photo. Obviously he was added in there with a little photoshopping, but even this looks far more realistic than what the government is showing us. Hilarious, huh? Notice that Osama is the only one mindful of the photographer. Notice too the girl behind Osama. Hmmm... is she looking at his ear? And why did Obama get kicked out of the big, comfy chair at the head of the table, and get shuffled over to the rinky-dink seat in the corner? After all, didn't Obama direct the whole operation?
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More issues with the Obama "certificate"

In addition to the alignment problems that I showed in post #1681, I notice that Karl Denninger has a new video out that shows several more alignment issues, and you can see that here. He has also posted another video that clearly shows kerning of text characters. "Kerning" refers to an effect where two or more adjacent text characters intrude on each other's space, and is never seen in text printed on a typewriter unless the typist removes the paper part way through a word and then reinserts it so that the next character is typed too close to the previous character. Typewritten text always leaves spacing between letters, whereas computer generated and printed text often features kerning. If there were only one or two kernings on the Obama "certificate," it could perhaps be chalked up to the typist removing the form to erase and correct a typing error (they didn't have correction tapes in 1961), but there are numerous examples of kerning in the Obama "certificate." I noticed this cramming of characters right away when first looking at Obama's faked "certificate," but figured that it was simply due to some very sloppy work on the part of the document forger. Of course kerning does give the impression of sloppy work when some characters have good spacing and others within the same word are squeezed together, and so whatever the actual reason for this appearance may be, it is definitely a very tell tale flag that alerts the observer to obvious document fraud.

Here is just one of many examples of kerning that can be found
in the Obama document. It is from the section regarding the hospital
name. Notice how the "a" and "p" in Kapiolani clearly overlap.
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Alas, Dear Rickoff,

(To mix metaphores) You are preaching to the choir, while beating a dead horse, (that refuses to die).
Preaching to the choir, in that I haven't seen anyone on this thread positing that this piece of cr*p 'document' is authentic; you've done an excellent job of showing what an inept forgery it is.
Beating a dead horse that refuses to die, in that its obvious it worked; the 'Talking heads' have all abdicated their responsibility as the fifth estate, and have 'certified' it as genuine, and not so subtly stated that anyone who continues to ? Obamas legitimacy is a rascist.
And now, that he single handedly charged into that compound in Pakistan, and 'took out' Osama, why, your ? the legitimacy of a true hero! How DARE you?
And so it goes,...
Reminds me of that Saturday Nite live skit, where these reporters, of both genders, were practically having orgasms over Obamas answers.Too true to be funny, really,....Jim
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(To mix metaphores) You are preaching to the choir, while beating a dead horse, (that refuses to die).
Preaching to the choir, in that I haven't seen anyone on this thread positing that this piece of cr*p 'document' is authentic; you've done an excellent job of showing what an inept forgery it is.
Beating a dead horse that refuses to die, in that its obvious it worked; the 'Talking heads' have all abdicated their responsibility as the fifth estate, and have 'certified' it as genuine, and not so subtly stated that anyone who continues to ? Obamas legitimacy is a rascist.
And now, that he single handedly charged into that compound in Pakistan, and 'took out' Osama, why, your ? the legitimacy of a true hero! How DARE you?
And so it goes,...
Reminds me of that Saturday Nite live skit, where these reporters, of both genders, were practically having orgasms over Obamas answers.Too true to be funny, really,....Jim
Sadly we only need to walk into a crowd or into a school for a prime example of what this country has become.

I lectured Freshman Electrical Engineers, groups of 40 to 50 and maybe one, sometimes two would present a problem and the problem was they were advanced and wanted to move faster or they were not candidates for the field, but never were they routy, dis-respective or in any other way other than young adults on shaky ground out of normal growing up fear that all should have when in college.

Today look at any typical class room! I would not enter one with out at least an AR and Vest. It is utter crap what is taking place in our schools today and what these individuals think they are and what they think they deserve or what is theirs by some supreme , something.

Now go to any job site with current generation individuals, no self pride, no dedication, no real goals other than a check and a long vacation.

Yes I speak in generalities and make the assumption all are the same, that is not true of course and that fact is what just may save this country. There are some very decent, intelligent and potential leaders present in the wings. We owe it to the country to stop the current oppression for long enough for the smart and meaningful one to get in a position to clean the webs from the corners.

We do not as a people have the right to stand back and say 'It's not my problem', that is a death sentence for the future and the generations that will have to live there. We must help the future in whatever way we can.

If you have no compassion for the present or the future, you are the problem.


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"Jim, well stated and one who understands." Right back at ya, 'Doc'!
It is our institutions, which are failing.
The educational system is deplorable, and yet their are many good people working in it, and TRYING to do the right thing.
Likewise our 'Medical system', our 'free press', our 'political system', 'financial system' and on and on.
We have constructed these systems which are like big ocean liners that are out of control.'They' (the systems) are more focused on their own preservation, at all costs, than with doing what they were originally created to do.

We, collectively, have surrendered individual initiative, to these systems, for the perception of security, or convenience, or efficiency.And it seems like few are even recognising this, and none are doing anything to change it.

Its like we're all on a train, headed for a cliff where the bridge is out. And yet we're all worrying about wheter our steak is cooked right, in the dining car, or trying to score on that good looking fellow passenger, or trying to decide whether to raise or fold, in the poker game.

We are so caught up in the minutia of our own lives, that 'we' are oblivious to whats coming.Or, we see whats happening, and feel powerless to do anything about it.After all, these systems we have created are like a huge block of foam rubber, a mile on a side; you push here, and it gives in, a little, but doesn't move the block, at all.So, 'whats the point?' Might as well just concentrate on getting as much as I can, of the 'cheese', (Benefits, tax right-offs, whatever).And, as you said, we produce each generation with more who are programmed to get as much as they can, while 'giving' as little as possible.
And willing to give up more of their freedom, individuality and initiative, in order to 'get' more,...'stuff'.

I know there are many on this site who believe this is all a vast conspiracy.
For my part, while I agknowledge there are always those with power, $ and influence who will 'game' the system, in order to gain, the problem is more fundamental; its 'human nature'.

The very same qualities that got us where we are, are leading to our decline.The 'greedy barstuds' that are 'gaming the systems' will fall, right along with the rest of us.We, collectively, are doing it to ourselves.Part of this 'Human Nature' that contributes to the decline, is the temptation to find others to blame; but it doesn't get us any closer to the fundamental truth; our fate was sealed; back when we first started to say "This is MY land". At the 'Dawn of Civilisation' about 10,000 years ago. Everything that follows was fated to follow; it was/is inevitable. Anyway, thats what I believe.Jim
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(To mix metaphors) You are preaching to the choir, while beating a dead horse (that refuses to die).
Preaching to the choir, in that I haven't seen anyone on this thread positing that this piece of cr*p 'document' is authentic; you've done an excellent job of showing what an inept forgery it is.
Yes, I know, of course, that most anyone reading this thread must surely realize by now what is going on, and probably wouldn't continue reading posts here unless they were largely in agreement with what is shown. So while that may be seen as "preaching to the choir," I myself see it as informing the non-delusional activists. My purpose, in showing precisely why Obama's document is fraudulent, is to provide others with real, indisputable evidence of fakery that can be used to help open the eyes of those who tend to believe everything they see on TV or are told by the government. And I don't just talk about this stuff solely in this thread. I bring it up at every opportunity, and I suspect that others here are doing the same. I know that people are waking up in large numbers, but there are still many sheeple who are either undecided, oblivious, delusional, or just don't care. Sometimes I will intentionally go into an O-bot website and spar with them, but it's not because I hope to change their minds. I do it just to see what their arguments are, so that I can be better informed of what responses I might expect when talking to people. When I do talk to people one-on-one, or in small groups, I concentrate my efforts on the ones who are are apparently either oblivious to what is going on, or are confused and undecided. To my thinking, those who are truly oblivious are mostly that way because of brainwashing indoctrination continued throughout the span of their lifetime. It is difficult to get your message across to such people, because they have a deeply engrained mindset that will not even allow them to question their formed beliefs. Usually, such persons will not awaken to the truth unless they encounter a situation in which they are treated unfairly by local, state, or federal authorities. Once they have a veritable "chip on their shoulder," they become very open to learning more. So, it is this group, along with the undecideds, that I concentrate most of my efforts upon. The undecideds are basically intelligent people who realize that something is wrong, but who are not sure as to what is believable. They try to keep informed, and are aware of the fact that, for example, there are opposing viewpoints concerning the Kennedy assasination, 9/11, the Obama eligibility question, and the Osama saga. With much of the real evidence concerning such matters having been obfuscated, underreported, or simply "swept under the rug" by government and media, the undecideds tend to remain undecided simply because 90% of what they have been exposed to comes from the Ruling Class. Thus, it is these undecideds that we must make strong efforts to find, and to engage in intelligent conversation.

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Beating a dead horse that refuses to die, in that its obvious it worked; the 'Talking heads' have all abdicated their responsibility as the fifth estate, and have 'certified' it as genuine, and not so subtly stated that anyone who continues to [question] Obamas legitimacy is a [racist].
Obama's faked "certificate" is only going to be a "dead horse" issue if we lay back and allow the issue to die. That's what the Ruling Class is hoping for. The Associated Press can release their poll showing that 60% of the public now believes that Obama has provided proof of US citizenship, but are any of us gullible enough to believe those numbers? I suspect that anyone who, previous to release of the Obama "certificate," had come to the conclusion that Obama is ineligible to serve as POTUS, is now more convinced than ever that Obama is a deceptive usurper. Release of such polling results is merely a tool that the Ruling Class hopes to use to sway the undecideds. It can be a rather effective tool, because undecideds like to think that when they make a decision about something that it has a fairly firm foundation. For example, when election polls report that 60% of the people polled will vote for a particular candidate, undecideds will be strongly attracted to vote for that candidate, who they will see as the likely "winner." There aren't many people who feel comfortable with voting for someone who is expected to be a "loser."

I'll be the first to admit that the odds are greatly stacked against us by the Ruling Class establishment, and their control of the lamestream media, but I don't see that as a reason to give up. Conversely, I see it as a reason to keep the controversies alive, and to step up our efforts to reach and educate others. The only effort that is wasted is the one that is never implemented.

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The very same qualities that got us where we are, are leading to our decline.The 'greedy barstuds' that are 'gaming the systems' will fall, right along with the rest of us.We, collectively, are doing it to ourselves.Part of this 'Human Nature' that contributes to the decline, is the temptation to find others to blame
You really sound like a disinfo agent.

Every day thousands of people find out about the jewish criminal network so it is just a matter of time that, once again, it is destroyed.

Just look at this video for a few of those precious times in history when they were expelled: YouTube - The Expulsion of Jews Throughout History
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An interesting Kenyan document from 2008, written shortly before the US Presidential election, has come to light. Of particular interest are the statements, "Numerous intelligence reports have suggested [Obama] might have been born in Mombasa at the ... Coast Provincial Hospital." and "the information we in the ministry have is that some documents have been removed by unknown persons at unknown dates, or are missing from birth registry records..."
This would certainly lend credence to the Obama Kenyan birth certificate (see post #742) perhaps being the real deal.


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My view is one of bewilderment yet again...a condition i'm sure there's a tablet for from the very suspect FDA (an issue you guys have probably covered). My wife is on several medications, none of which change year to year and that makes it personal.

With no TV, I find my English immigrating self looking at this country I now live in through the internet. We get warned about being 'Google researchers' and therefore all viewpoints taken from anything online can then be derided by others. I have completely no idea why ! Proofed pictures, videos, interviews, historical time linear website information and postings such as from Rick, all unimportant compared to what folks see on TV or hear on radio from their car speakers.
I mean, look at the BBC story, where a neighbour of Bin Laden said it was not him, but another guy he's known for quite a while. Poor bloke got shot to shi-ite and dumped in the sea from that account, by an army originating thousands of miles away !
There is one important point though that people like me can forward - it doesn't add up from one day to the next. We try to get used to the ways of the land and yet scratch our heads. Many issues, from squabbling children who can't fix a budget that means nothing within the ridiculous $$$'s of war, to the 'im alright Jack' nature of those of means, to the fact that my Birth Certificate and all other details are real and yet some chap is the President with something really more than iffy..
I want to understand it, would love to be a sheep and fit in !

This nation is one of promise, freer for my own research and employment wishes than the UK ever could be. It is lead however by some powerful groups who now wish a revolution of the populace ?. *****ing away at the faith in Government at every opportunity, until, people finally get it en mass.
Or is this the idea ? to ruin and ruin until Orwell's '1984' picture becomes reality ?
Who are the good guys in positions of meaning and how do we empower them with the peoples voice ?

Btw Rick, relating to your advice about contacting our Senator. My wife has had a few run ins by email with our local Senator over many issues. She regularly finds herself in the same bewilderment boat as myself...and maybe that's our fate. Common sense is leaving the country. Ways have to be found to bring it back.
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Once again, no critisism, just the optimist vs. pessimist thing.You know, pessimist says :"it can't get any WORSE", and optimist says "Oh, Yes it CAN!"
Seriosly, I THOUGHT Fukishima would do it; it didn't! I mean, perhaps people can delude themselves that Obama as a non-citisen doesn't directly affect them, or similar denials, but come on! This is radioactive material that you and your family are ingesting! And the 'Sheeple' just don't want to hear.And, they don't want to hear about any of this.

You keep on trying to sound the clarion call, keep on TRYING to get them to listen, and to hear.

As for me, I just don't have any hope that the budget mess will be seriously dealt with, or that anything else of substance will change.Maybe, just maybe, when enough individuals oxes are gored, when the people get repeatedly screwed enough times, maybe they will stand up. But, I am not at all optimistic.WISH I could believe in 'the people', but I'm afraid i just don't.Jim
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Beating a dead horse, and preaching to the choir were not critisisms at all; Just my 'take', that 'they' have got aWAY WITH IT, ONCE AGAIN. I think the polls MAY be accurate; that 60% of the sheeple, who buy the crap being fed them, and are more concerned with who wins American Idol than who is President, are now convinced that Obama has put 'this issue' to rest.

I really thought Fukishima would do it; I mean, o.k., so in your denial you convince yourself that it doesn't really matter, to YOU in your daily life, who is President, and where he was born, but COME ON! We're talking radiation that you and yours are exposed to. And the sheep keep grazing.

You keep on sounding the clarion call, don't let my pessimism stop you; thats not my intention, at all. Just can't get my hopes up that it will make any difference.Jim
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Alex Jones breaks the spell surrounding British royalty and Prince William's supposed fairytale wedding. The House of Windsor name did not surface until the WWI-era, when they opted to drop Saxe-Coburg and Gotha to keep the British from focusing on their German overlords.

The U.S. fought a war of independence against the British control of its government and economy, yet modern day Americans fawn over the royal family, whom they identify with. This is the result of deliberate social engineering campaigns to build celebrity and importance around a parasitic and tyrannical gang that has led and funded Eugenics, carbon taxes, population reduction and much more. Wake up America! Stop holding up false idols.

YouTube - Secrets of the Royal Wedding Exposed!

At one time, Britain contained several small kingdoms ruled over by an inter-married self elected elite, which gradually amalgamated into the single monarchy which rules over ( Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland, England, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and the United States of America.) The so called "royal family" is basically German. They are seated on almost every throne in Europe. They are the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha-Battenberg bloodline, which often intermarries with the Kassel-Hesse German nobility and claim Jewish descent from the royal house of David in ancient Israel. By the 1600's, the thrones of Europe were mainly occupied by extremely wealthy Germans, earning vast profits from peasant labor, slavery, and the international opium trade. This Germanic family known by the titles of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha-Schleisweg-Holstein-Habsburg-Romanov-Cassel-Hesse share the same tiny genetic bloodline. This can clearly be seen in a photograph of the British King Goerge the "V" standing beside Czar Nicholas of Russia. In fact, they were cousins.
The Evil History of the British Royal Family - Conspiracy theories - Zimbio

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You keep on sounding the clarion call, don't let my pessimism stop you; thats not my intention, at all. Just can't get my hopes up that it will make any difference.Jim
I understand, Jim, but try thinking of it this way:

Suppose that, through my steadfast efforts, I can actually get through to just 10 intelligent people who will each see the necessity to commit to doing the same that I am doing, and suppose that each of those persons aligns 10 more people commited to carrying the cause forward, and so on. If this process is carried out just 8 times, 100 million people would be aligned with the cause. Do you think that could make a difference? Note that 122,394,724 US citizens voted in the 2008 Presidential election.

No need to point out that, while this sounds good in theory, it would never work this well simply because there are not that many dedicated and intelligent individuals to be found, and the effort would break down at some point along the way. I of course understand that, but simply state this example to show that, even with expected breakdowns, the number of people who could be recruited to the cause could be substantial enough to truly make a difference in the 2012 elections. It all boils down to grass roots activism, and whether or not folks are willing to get involved and be a part of it. Think of what actually happened in the 2010 election, and how it could be a much larger change in 2012. Remember that if we allow ourselves to believe that there is no hope left to change what we perceive as inevitable then that which we perceive as inevitable will inevitably become reality. With that thought in mind, isn't it better to try, and perhaps fail, than to give up in desperation?
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[COLOR="Blue"]Alex Jones breaks the spell surrounding British royalty
Since the Queen holds the most Land in the World i think shes one from the Ends of the Chain, if not The End. Amerika got his Rockefella, what got the Oil and Rothschilds what does in Weapons.
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Two important events occurred yesterday

1. Yesterday marked the end of lieutenant colonel Terry Lakin's stay as a military prisoner at Fort Leavenworth. Lakin was released short of his 6-month sentence because of "good behavior." As I reported in earlier posts, Lakin was denied the right to a fair trial because the judge refused to allow him the right of discovery, or to present any witnesses to support his position that orders issued by his higher-ups could be unlawful if Barack Obama was not in fact eligible to initiate such orders as President and Commander In Chief. In short, the trial was a mockery of justice. Lakin is not able to comment about his case at this time, because of the pending status of an appeal of the military court's decision, as well as a request for clemency that remains unaddressed.

2. In the Exeter, New Hampshire town hall yesterday, Ron Paul announced he will run as a candidate for President. Ron made a campaign run in the 2008 elections, and chose to run for the Republican nomination. He did quite well, but in the end was displaced by McCain in the primary elections. I think running as a Republican candidate was a mistake, since the primary elections can be manipulated by the Ruling Class to make their chosen one appear to be the winner, when in fact that may very well be malarkey. Remember that Ron ran a single day "money-bomb" appeal to supporters that was far and away more successful than that of any other candidate, and that he was also the force behind the Audit The Fed movement, which became a very popular issue with voters. Ron was also promising to bring all our troops home, to substantially cut government size and waste, to eliminate the Patrot Act, defend the Constitution, and restore personal liberties that have been eroded. All of these were hugely popular with the American public. Remember too, that nearly everyone was fed up with the Bush regime, so it doesn't make sense that voters in the primaries would opt to vote for McCain over Ron Paul, when McCain really had nothing to offer but a continuation of the Bush regime policies.
Then too, McCain was not any more eligible than Obama, under the requirement to be a "natural born citizen," to run for, or serve as President. If the primary votes were really counted properly, then there seems to be only one likely conclusion that can be drawn - that organized Democrat voters swarmed in and voted for McCain in large numbers so that Obama would face a candidate that could easily be beaten.

If Ron Paul chooses to run as a Republican candidate in 2012 he may very well be beset by the same fate that occurred in the 2008 primaries, and if he concedes defeat and bows out again then what remaining Republican candidate can beat Obama's political machine? Hopefully Ron will run as an independent if the same scenario occurs. Some will say that would split the vote away from the Republican party and guarantee Obama's reelection, but I say that we can not afford another election where we feel we must cast our vote for what we see as the lesser of two evils. We must have faith that this time voters will vote with their conscience, and that a tsunami of liberty and Constitution loving American voters will vote for the candidate most likely to return our country to the ideals set forth by our Founding Fathers.

Here is what Ron Paul is now saying:

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All the work we have done together for the past decades has brought us to this place. We are challenging the status quo, and, if we come together now in these crucial times, we can win.

This REVOLUTION will be hard work. It will require long hours from all of us. And, as we threaten the power elites, we will be attacked. We will face smears, defaming, and dirty tricks.

But, I know that our mission is crucial. Please work with me and help give each other strength as we fight for Liberty.

So, as we launch this new campaign, I pledge the following to you:

1. I will work as hard as I can and do everything in my ability to make this campaign a success.
2. We will build the strongest team we possibly can and execute the best, most professional effort in our power.
3. I will never compromise and never, ever back down.
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Those are words that ring true with me. Ron understands who and what we are up against, and doesn't hesitate to say so. What other candidate will talk about revolution, challenging the status quo, fighting for liberty, and threatening the power elite of the Ruling Class? Frankly, I would like to see the TEA Party become an actual registered party for the 2012 elections, with Ron as their candidate. With a really strong effort, I feel confident that not only would Ron be electable, but that the TEA Party candidates for the House and Senate will soundly defeat the incumbent establishment Republicans and Democrats who didn't take notice of voter scorn as evidenced by the 2010 election results, and who are content to pursue business as usual.
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Btw Rick, relating to your advice about contacting our Senator. My wife has had a few run ins by email with our local Senator over many issues. She regularly finds herself in the same bewilderment boat as myself...and maybe that's our fate.
Don't be deterred by past experiences. If you feel that your US senator is unresponsive and probably won't help then contact your representative in the US House of Representatives and ask him or her to intercede with ICE on your behalf. Normally, representatives and senators are happy to sign letters prepared by their staff to intercede in any case that has merit because it is a political feather in their hat, and they can then brag about helping a constituent. And all it takes for ICE to back down is one short letter of inquiry from a US senator or representative. You will find that visiting the senator or representative's local office, and speaking face-to-face with a staff member, will get speedier action than simply phoning or writing. And when you visit, take along copies of all pertinent documentation that you can use to explain your situation and how you have been mistreated.

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Old 05-15-2011, 05:47 AM
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2. In the Exeter, New Hampshire town hall yesterday, Ron Paul announced he will run as a candidate for President. Ron made a campaign run in the 2008 elections, and chose to run for the Republican nomination. He did quite well, but in the end was displaced by McCain in the primary elections. I think running as a Republican candidate was a mistake, since the primary elections can be manipulated by the Ruling Class to make their chosen one appear to be the winner, when in fact that may very well be malarkey. Remember that Ron ran a single day "money-bomb" appeal to supporters that was far and away more successful than that of any other candidate, and that he was also the force behind the Audit The Fed movement, which became a very popular issue with voters. Ron was also promising to bring all our troops home, to substantially cut government size and waste, to eliminate the Patrot Act, defend the Constitution, and restore personal liberties that have been eroded. All of these were hugely popular with the American public. Remember too, that nearly everyone was fed up with the Bush regime, so it doesn't make sense that voters in the primaries would opt to vote for McCain over Ron Paul, when McCain really had nothing to offer but a continuation of the Bush regime policies.
Then too, McCain was not any more eligible than Obama, under the requirement to be a "natural born citizen," to run for, or serve as President. If the primary votes were really counted properly, then there seems to be only one likely conclusion that can be drawn - that organized Democrat voters swarmed in and voted for McCain in large numbers so that Obama would face a candidate that could easily be beaten.

If Ron Paul chooses to run as a Republican candidate in 2012 he may very well be beset by the same fate that occurred in the 2008 primaries, and if he concedes defeat and bows out again then what remaining Republican candidate can beat Obama's political machine? Hopefully Ron will run as an independent if the same scenario occurs. Some will say that would split the vote away from the Republican party and guarantee Obama's reelection, but I say that we can not afford another election where we feel we must cast our vote for what we see as the lesser of two evils. We must have faith that this time voters will vote with their conscience, and that a tsunami of liberty and Constitution loving American voters will vote for the candidate most likely to return our country to the ideals set forth by our Founding Fathers.

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Those are words that ring true with me. Ron understands who and what we are up against, and doesn't hesitate to say so. What other candidate will talk about revolution, challenge the status quo, and threaten the power elite of the Ruling Class? Frankly, I would like to see the TEA Party become an actual registered party for the 2012 elections, with Ron as their candidate. With a really strong effort, I feel confident that not only would Ron be electable, but that the TEA Party candidates for the House and Senate will soundly defeat the incumbent establishment Republicans and Democrats who didn't take notice of voter scorn as evidenced by the 2010 election results, and who are content to pursue business as usual.
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Old 05-15-2011, 07:49 AM
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I don't see Ron Paul becoming the president ever. The media decides who is going to be the president. People don't read by themselves but just watch the tv lies. Most people are sheeple without criteria.

What I have agaisnt Ron Paul is that he supports the official 911 version. That's talks very bad about him.
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Old 05-15-2011, 02:44 PM
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sheeple plural ( no singular )

( derogatory slang ) People who unquestioningly accept as true whatever their political leaders say or who adopt popular opinion as their own without scrutiny.
The American sheeple should know that George W. Bush is not really for smaller government.
The 'sheeple' of Toronto have spoken and Ontario gets another coat of red paint .

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Old 05-15-2011, 02:59 PM
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Ron Paul and others trying to label whats wrong in this country as "socialism" is ridiculous... and that concept is about pandering to the old anti-soviet propaganda that still has strong sway over millions who were alive back in the cold war days.

The problems we have today are not from "socialism" at all... this country is much more "capitalist" and right wing than it was under Ronald Reagan, even tho those who support that hate to admit it:

They are instead from corporate / government corruption, now to the extent that it makes the old gangland Prohibition days look like a teen spray-painting graffiti.... and until Dr. Paul acknowledges that, he is not the one to lead us out of this mess either. It could be that this is a battle he is not prepared to wage as he doesn't think he can win it (they would come down on him even harder or even kill him), or it could be he is just deluded. In any event, his answers and solutions are frankly unworkable and without merit.... if we really did have a Libertarian government, everything would fall apart very quickly into corporate fascism (even faster than it is now), as it wholly works on the assumption people in positions of importance, such as corporate leaders, have personal integrity... and a very high percentage do not.

On the other hand, he is one of the few in the US government willing to speak out on many important subjects and for that i admire him.
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Old 05-15-2011, 03:53 PM
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Ron Paul and others trying to label whats wrong in this country as "socialism" is ridiculous... and that concept is about pandering to the old anti-soviet propaganda that still has strong sway over millions who were alive back in the cold war days.

The problems we have today are not from "socialism" at all... this country is much more "capitalist" and right wing than it was under Ronald Reagan, even tho those who support that hate to admit it:

They are instead from corporate / government corruption, now to the extent that it makes the old gangland Prohibition days look like a teen spray-painting graffiti.... and until Dr. Paul acknowledges that, he is not the one to lead us out of this mess either. It could be that this is a battle he is not prepared to wage as he doesn't think he can win it (they would come down on him even harder or even kill him), or it could be he is just deluded. In any event, his answers and solutions are frankly unworkable and without merit.... if we really did have a Libertarian government, everything would fall apart very quickly into corporate fascism (even faster than it is now), as it wholly works on the assumption people in positions of importance, such as corporate leaders, have personal integrity... and a very high percentage do not.

On the other hand, he is one of the few in the US government willing to speak out on many important subjects and for that i admire him.
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Old 05-15-2011, 08:12 PM
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What I have agaisnt Ron Paul is that he supports the official 911 version. That's talks very bad about him.
Supports in what way? Is your opinion merely based on the fact that Ron doesn't publicly speak out about 9/11 being a false flag operation? I realize that Ron has stated, as in the Presidential debates, that he doesn't believe 9/11 was a government operation, but how do you know what Ron actually believes? The moderator's ploy, of course, was to hopefully get Ron to side with 9/11 truthers, and then to have the other candidates scorn and discredit him. It was also a ploy to take away time where Ron could have talked about the Federal Reserve and IRS. Of course he isn't going to appear on TV and say that 9/11 was an inside job, as that would be political suicide, but I'm sure that he has the intel and the intelligence to understand that 9/11 was bogus. If he were to speak out on 9/11 at this time then he wouldn't stand a ghost of a chance of becoming elected in 2012, as Congress and the media would do everything in their power to make him look like a complete jackass. So let's not bash Ron. Is there any other candidate in the running for 2012 who would do more in taking on the causes that matter?

By the way, Ron did in fact say, during a Coast To Coast radio interview, that he believes a new 9/11 investigation is needed, and also spoke out on the investigation By the Warren Commission in the Kennedy assassination.
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Old 05-16-2011, 10:48 AM
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Hi Rick, good to hear Ron Paul is standing again, no doubt they media will block his message again like last time.
Really appreciate the work you put in on all your subjects, i'm having great fun with your Obama birth-cert info:
I start the conversation at a sleepy village pub in Norfolk UK, someone allways takes the challenge, give me hell about all the proof the President has put out, you know the routine, and you know I have pcket full of 'Rick info' it sure makes for lively conversation, and good real ale. Many thanks.

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If he were to speak out on 9/11 at this time then he wouldn't stand a ghost of a chance of becoming elected in 2012, as Congress and the media would do everything in their power to make him look like a complete jackass.
So you are saying that lying is ok so he doesn't look like a fool. I really don't think so. Truth is precious.

Anyway he could just say "I think 911 should be reinvestigated and I become the president I will make sure it is". Easy.

But he says that there is no evidence of lies in the official version. That talks terrible on him.

Just my opinion.
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I have seen today this video and maybe some of you might find it interesting.

It is about colleges in the US: college conspiracy

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So you are saying that lying is ok so [Ron Paul] doesn't look like a fool. I really don't think so. Truth is precious.
No, I didn't say that lying is okay. I'm only saying that we don't really know for certain what Ron personally believes about 9/11, but we do know that he is probably the only candidate who would be supportive of a real 9/11 investigation. He can't openly hold the government responsible for instigating 9/11, or even just allowing it to happen, as that would open a floodgate of smear tactics (and worse) that would then be used to either discredit him or take him out of the picture. To me, it is far more important for him to remain active in the political arena and fight for many of the things we believe in than to call for a new 9/11 investigation.

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Anyway [Ron Paul] could just say "I think 911 should be reinvestigated and I become the president I will make sure it is". Easy.
Sure, he could do that, but who would suggest that what we need is another government controlled investigation? Is that what you would like to see? Ron has rightly stated that government investigations are always cover-ups, so what could possibly be gained by a new government sanctioned 9/11 investigation, which ultimately would find that the original report, although lacking in some details, was foundationally correct? A real investigation could only be done independently of any government control or interference. As you know, much evidence has been brought to light by scientists, structural engineers, and professional pilots, and these investigations would never be conducted by a government sanctioned investigation team, other than as a contrived effort to discredit the aforementioned groups by showing different conclusions. The best we can hope for is that a true, non-government investigation would be allowed to take place without being impeded by government agencies, and I suspect that Ron would in fact be willing to ensure that if he were in a position to do so. Right now he is not in such a position.

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But [Ron] says that there is no evidence of lies in the official version. That talks terrible on him. Just my opinion.
Short of possessing a videotape showing the conspirators meeting together and planning the 9/11 events, what evidence would be compelling enough to allow Ron to outrightly accuse past or present government officials, or agencies? If he says that the government lied, then he becomes obligated to prove his accusation, and you know that he would never be allowed to do that. By stating, as he has done, that government investigations are little more than cover-ups, he doesn't directly accuse the government of lying, but the implication is still made, since what would be covered up other than half-truths or lies?
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IMF Chief jailed in New York City

That's right, Dominique Strauss-Kahn, the chief of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) has been jailed without bail on charges of attempted rape, sex abuse, a criminal sex act, unlawful imprisonment, and forcible touching, of a maid who was sent to clean his $3,000 a night New York City hotel suite. Kahn is being held in a wing of the Rikers Island jail normally reserved for inmates with highly contagious diseases, so we can only hope that he will contract a few of those diseases during his stay.

Up until now, Kahn was considered to be a prime candidate for the next French presidential election. Of course Kahn and his lawyers are playing down the charges and saying that whatever happened was consensual, and hinting that this was a set-up. Who knows, anything is possible of course, and we have definitely witnessed some obvious fabrications lately regarding the Obama "certificate" and the Obama-Osama saga, but this elite banker should be in jail regardless, and charged with raping the world and all its people. So should all the central bankers.

The IMF loans worthless fiat money to countries that are in financial difficulty, and lends this money against collateral such as land, timber, water, oil, and mineral rights. The IMF knows that these countries will never be able to pay off the loans, and that they will surely default on them. When a default happens, the IMF will either demand further collateral (if available) or will take ownership of the resources that were collateralized. And unlike the worthless fiat money they loaned, those resources will have real and enormous value. Gangland loan sharks have nothing in common with the IMF, other than their method of preying on those who have nowhere left to turn to when they need help. The US treasury and Federal Reserve work closely with the IMF to arrange finance deals with third world countries, as well as the so-called "PIIGS" of the European Union (Portugal, Italy, Ireland, Greece, and Spain). Isn't it high time that all these banksters were tossed in jail, and their assets seized and returned to the rightful owners?
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That's right, Dominique Strauss-Kahn, the chief of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) has been jailed without bail on charges of attempted rape, sex abuse, a criminal sex act, unlawful imprisonment, and forcible touching, of a maid who was sent to clean his $3,000 a night New York City hotel suite.
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