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Old 11-04-2009, 12:11 AM
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Rick, I agree with the bottom up approach. BUT?

Should we not reexamine the foundation of which we are trying
to build upon? Does that foundation even exist?

The corporation doing business as "government" has been sued.
The named Defendant(s) are all in default due to no action was taken
by them. A summary judgment against all is all that is left.

The initial hearing will happen on Nov. 6th, 2009
aka Government is sued as a Corporation
Hi Randy,

It will be quite interesting to see what happens with this lawsuit, which is just 3 days away. I'm sure the government will try to have it dismissed as trivial nonsense, and they will say that it didn't deserve a response because of its trivial nature. If they don't succeed in that tactic, then no doubt they will reject any judgment against them, so how could any judgment be enforced? Even if no appeal is possible, the government could tie this process up indefinitely. They will think of some way to do that. So while the case does appear to have legitimate grounds to proceed, I don't think we can feel safe in expecting that it will put an end to Ruling Class control. We can, and should, hope for the best in this avenue, but I think we need to cover our bets by taking action with the Precinct Strategy as well.

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Hi Randy,

It will be quite interesting to see what happens with this lawsuit, which is just 3 days away. I'm sure the government will try to have it dismissed as trivial nonsense, and they will say that it didn't deserve a response because of its trivial nature. If they don't succeed in that tactic, then no doubt they will reject any judgment against them, so how could any judgment be enforced? Even if no appeal is possible, the government could tie this process up indefinitely. They will think of some way to do that. So while the case does appear to have legitimate grounds to proceed, I don't think we can feel safe in expecting that it will put an end to Ruling Class control. We can, and should, hope for the best in this avenue, but I think we need to cover our bets by taking action with the Precinct Strategy as well.

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Rick, I agree.. those that do not govern themselves shall be governed by others.
Bottom up .. not the top down (aka: the Trickle down)

Does the plan have a solid foundation and travels upon a road based in reality
or might the foundation be like quicksand and the road traveled be
a yellow brick road of illusion based in a web of deceptions?
It matters not that every vote counts.. it
only matters who does the counting of the votes.


The suit was not dismissed, that happens before anything begins.
This suit begun and the time clock ran out on the defendants.
Lower court tactics have not occurred here.. in fact this court is
instructing and requesting via use of the word "Please" in writing ...

"Enforcement" ? when the employee does not follow company policy what happens?
when an employee refuses to wear the company T-Shirt,
does not push the "Super-Size-Me" or does not wash hands after using
the restroom .. what happens to that employee?
Same thing applies here ..

"tie this process up indefinitely", no delays have occurred yet.

The suit is requiring clarification of words to remove ambiguous use
and brings into view the legalese redefinition of words that have allowed
the gross misuse in application.
The words are the weapons being used against us.

US Code defines UNITED STATES as a corporation.
The policies of a corporation: acts, statues, bills, codes, rules, regulations,
laws, etc. etc. whatever words the corporation wishes to call "the policies"
only apply to employees of that corporation.
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Hi Rick,

I only noticed links to small segments of the movie, so I thought I would mention that the full version of "The American Ruling Class" may be found at: Watch The American Ruling Class - SnagFilms

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All of those issues exist because people are working for what has
been called "money".
We work for "money" because we were told we had to.
We were told by WHOM? ..
Who made these rules and why?
Who benefits if we work for "money"?

BACK IT UP .. look at the cause of the problem, not the side-effects.
Those things are all just SIDE-EFFECTs of money.

The "Ruling Class" can only exist because people work for "money".
Stop getting side tracked by side-effects, dig deeper for real causes.
"Without exception, all support this fundamental theme: labor is property, property is a right, and a right cannot be taxed."

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Old 11-04-2009, 04:33 PM
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"Without exception, all support this fundamental theme: labor is property, property is a right, and a right cannot be taxed."

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Old 11-04-2009, 05:50 PM
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Hi Rick,

I only noticed links to small segments of the movie, so I thought I would mention that the full version of "The American Ruling Class" may be found at: Watch The American Ruling Class - SnagFilms

-Chris Corkum
Thanks for the full version link, Chris. Anyone reading this who has the ability to burn DVD's would do well to download the video, make several copies, and distribute these to relatives and friends, asking them to pass it along to their friends after viewing. Same goes for the video "Fall of the Republic - The Presidency of Barack Obama": YouTube - Fall Of The Republic - The Presidency Of Barack H Obama - The Full Movie HQ

We must do all we can to raise awareness as to what is going on. Those who are not aware will obviously not join an effort to dethrone the Ruling Class.

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Old 11-04-2009, 06:21 PM
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It matters not that every vote counts.. it
only matters who does the counting of the votes.
That's so true, Randy, and a very good point. For those who do not understand the fraudulent process that now occurs after we vote, please read the articles at this site:
your_vote_does_not_count

Also be sure to read this article, which tells how our votes should be counted: HOW OUR VOTES SHOULD BE COUNTED EVERY ELECTION in your precinct

The Precinct Strategy has the power to restore honesty and accountability to vote counting, and that is one of its major aims, along with kicking out corrupt career politicians and replacing them with people who will support and defend our Constitutional rights.

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That's so true, Randy, and a very good point. For those who do not understand the fraudulent process that now occurs after we vote, please read the articles at this site:
your_vote_does_not_count

Also be sure to read this article, which tells how our votes should be counted: HOW OUR VOTES SHOULD BE COUNTED EVERY ELECTION in your precinct

The Precinct Strategy has the power to restore honesty and accountability to vote counting, and that is one of its major aims, along with kicking out corrupt career politicians and replacing them with people who will support and defend our Constitutional rights.

Best 2 U,

Rick
Hi Rick and all

I am totally anti government as it stands.

We are all in a crisis and I pay my taxes every month, and when I fall short of the money I need to pay that month I am fined a huge amount and interest on the amount.

Now last year I paid all and the government needed to make a refund, that was last june, as of now they have not paid me, and when they do there is NO INTEREST paid to me. One law for the workers and another for the governments.

There take on this is they are not obliged to pay up to the end of this year. What are they doing with the excess I have paid in the year before? Why can they not pay interest as it is a loan from me to the government? Why do I have a fine when I can not pay because they have NOT PAID ME?

I am so depressed and disilusioned with the governing world at the moment that I could not care a SH.T what they do with me, I am nearley 59 and worked hard all my life, paid taxes on my work, bought things and paid taxes on those, pay local taxes to the local government, pay taxes every year for driving a car, I will die and pay taxes on what is left, from my grave, THIS IS ONE BIG FRAUD; CON what ever you want to call it. Yes we have to pay taxes, but NOT AT THE RATE OF 70% of your income.

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Hi folks, I am enjoying reading peoples perspectives on this here. I have not too long ago come to the conclusion as others seem to have as well, like the man speaking in the 'claiming our inheritance' videos, that money itself was never, has never and still is not needed and is only used as an intermediary tool to control others even if the so called money is backed by precious metals or what not. It still can be used to manipulate. Though non-fiat currency or precious metal backed ink paper or ideally gold or silver coin will probably have to be used in the transition to a world that will have no use for it any longer. I would like to state that I have no anger for those still supporting these systems as they are serving a purpose and as far as I'm concerned they have helped me to see who I am, an unlimited being. I see how hard they have to work to keep the illusion of lack and limitation going, now that's dedication, as misguided as it is, I now see the reason. Schoolroom earth. A school room does not change, we change and move to another room.
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Hi folks, I am enjoying reading peoples perspectives on this here. I have not too long ago come to the conclusion as others seem to have as well, like the man speaking in the 'claiming our inheritance' videos, that money itself was never, has never and still is not needed
Hi Tyson, and thanks for your interest in this thread. As I see it, there is a problem if some form of money is not used as a payment system for goods or services received. Work and ingenuity equate to money earned, which is then usable to purchase goods or services. Without such a system, you might be able to barter for some of your wants and needs, but for many others you could not. There would be no problem with our money system if our government had not allowed creation of the Federal Reserve and given them control over money printing, and had they not abandoned the gold standard. The gold standard, adopted in 1834, set the value of gold at $20.67 per troy ounce, and it remained at that level until the Great Depression, when the value was raised to $35. The value stayed at that level, and inflation was unheard of, until the gold standard was abandoned in 1971 under the Nixon administration. At the current market valuation of gold ($1,088 per troy ounce), the US dollar has already lost 97 percent of its pre-1971 value. In the past 12 months alone, the rising value of gold against the dollar has decreased the value of a dollar by fully 1/3 of its previous value. So even if a person had $90,000 tucked away in a savings account 12 months ago, it would only be worth $60,000 today.

I believe that we do need some kind of money system, and that it must be backed by something of real and constant value. Printed money should be a certificate that represents a share value of the commodity used as backing. The US Treasury should control the printing of such money, not the Federal Reserve. If we did not have any money system, then how would we obtain our wants and needs? Would everyone simply be allotted a certain standard amount of electronic credits each month that could be used as desired? If so, who would dole out these credits, and how would the value of those credits be backed? And if everyone received the same credits regardless of whether or not they worked, then what incentive would there be for anyone to work or gain a higher degree of education? Quite a dilemma, wouldn't you say?

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For information, clarification and review (hidden in plain sight):
A dollar is a unit of measure.
A Note is the paper stuff we have been told is "money" (not money by definition)

There are United States Notes and a Federal Reserve Notes
both of which use the unit of measure of dollar upon them.

A Note is a legal document that obligates a borrower to repay. Does this sound like a definition of money?
Repay ...
With WHAT is the obligation of this Note going to be repaid ? ..
It is a Note.
ask yourself: Why is that?

There's a legal requirement of maintaining the mandated quantity in circulation
A United States Note
looks like this:

Gee, has anyone see these? United States Notes are suppose to exist.

Six Kinds of United States Paper Currency

A Certificate is a different animal and does qualify by definition as money.
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A Certificate is a different animal and does qualify by definition as money.
That's right, Randy. Both gold certificates and silver certificates were used in the past, and these looked just like regular paper currency except that they included the words identifying them as certificates.



I never held a gold certificate, but did have a few silver certificates at one time. Before 1968 you could redeem gold or silver certificates for silver dollars. Notice the inscription at bottom of the face side, which says, "IN SILVER PAYABLE TO THE BEARER ON DEMAND." After 1963 you could only redeem them for Federal Reserve Notes. Lousy deal, huh? The stated reason for making the change was because the amount of silver in a one dollar silver coin had risen in value to $1.29 by 1960. So what - just make the coin a bit smaller. We really should have a money system that gives real and equitable value to whatever coins or paper is used.

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What Is Up With Fiat Money?

"The fiat dollar standard is probably the most intractable problem in the U.S. and the world, simply because there is no debate going on about the pros and cons of its alternatives. It may take a crisis or hyperinflation to prompt Americans to realize the virtues of commodity money. Fortunately, no matter how exalted and surrounded in mystery the Federal Reserve is, it is always in danger, for if only the public knew how cleverly they are swindled of their savings through inflation and how much wealth they lose due to economic inefficiencies, they would not permit it to continue. "

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Old 11-06-2009, 05:33 AM
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Hi Rick,

I certainly understand your qualms about abolishing money and the concerns you raise are certainly legitimate. But the thing about money systems is that they are and always have been systems of slavery, and all come with an implicit world view that is steeped in scarcity. And the sad thing is that when you look at the natural world you see extravagant abundance that is beyond comprehension.

The main problem with money systems is that once you trade your physical good (or labor) with someone for a 'medium of exchange', you have given your power away to that someone. That someone is then free to do all sorts of 'creative' things to you.

There has to be a better way--but I really don't have any idea what an alternative to money systems would look like. However, I do know that money ultimately has to go if we are to have any hope of a just society.
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Secret Contracts/Defense

http://www.lepoint2.com/sons/pdf/vac...1%20medias.pdf

"What I found mind boggling, as a doctor, is to discover Glaxo Smith Kline's "Green List" of what the government MAY communicate (hardly anything!) and the "Red List" of what may absolutely NOT be made public, like intermediary results of the side effects that appear in the studies of the controversial squalene (and thiomersal) adjuvantated PandemRix until they have been sanitized by GSK, and published by GSK themselves.

These contracts also confirm what was announced in Sweden in October, that these pandemic vaccines where actually ordered already back in 2006: there was a standing order forsee a vaccination for large parts of the population IF the WHO would declare a PANDEMIC of degree 6. When the "New-Type" A/H1N1 appeared, and it started spreading to other continents, the WHO changed their definition of grade 6 pandemic by droping the criteria that it should be highly deadly. Thus, the government signed standing orders were passed simply to combat a new (designer!) strain of flu that may or may not become more or less lethal than the common Influenza A or B flu. "

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Old 11-07-2009, 09:07 AM
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Not working for Money

Court case for not having money for food was dismissed.

"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws."
The root of the problems are not in politics, government, laws, voting, etc. it's money ...

They labor for free and not for the money. They have no money.
It is not that they do not work, just that they do not work for money.
Dominion over the earth means all is ours.

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Step 1) They were arrested for having no money (not paying) for groceries
and the court case was dismissed.
Step 2) repeat step 1
Step 3) moving into a house.

If you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always gotten.
If the root problem is not addressed the side-effects it causes
can not be fixed.
Working for money can not be fixed ... money is the only problem.
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"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws."
The root of the problems are not in politics, government, laws, voting, etc. it's money ...

Working for money can not be fixed ... money is the only problem.
money is the only problem = guns kill people
Guns Kill People. Period. - A Capital View (usnews.com)

"Give me control of a nation's moneyand I care not who makes the laws."
"Yes, mankind has been painfully foolish in following your many destructive directives. We understand whose bidding you do. One only need look at the fruits of your work to understand that. Your usurious banking cabal has virtually enslaved mankind in a kind of mental trap as many have yet to wake up to the reality that there is no debt to the World Bank. "
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Nearly half of US Congressional Representatives are millionaires

Makes you wonder who these representatives are representing.

According to a new report from the Center for Responsive Politics, 44 percent of our Congressional representatives are millionaires.

Only 1 percent of their constituents have that much money.

All told, at least seven lawmakers have net worths greater than $100 million, according to the Center’s 2008 figures.

"Many Americans probably have a sense that members of Congress aren't hurting, even if their government salary alone is in the six figures, much more than most Americans make," said CRP spokesman Dave Levinthal.

"What we see through these figures is that many of them have riches well beyond that salary, supplemented with securities, stock holdings, property, and other investments."


Among executive branch officials, CRP says the richest is Securities and Exchange Commission Chairwoman Mary L. Schapiro, with a net worth estimated at $26 million; Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is next, worth an estimated $21 million. President Barack Obama is the sixth-wealthiest, worth about an estimated $4 million.


Many lawmakers have profited from investments in companies that have received federal bailouts; dozens are invested in Wells Fargo, Citigroup, Goldman Sachs and Bank of America.

Now we see why they were so intent on funding these bailouts. It wasn't to save the banks - it was to save themselves!
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Makes you wonder who these representatives are representing.

According to a new report from the Center for Responsive Politics, 44 percent of our Congressional representatives are millionaires.

Only 1 percent of their constituents have that much money.

All told, at least seven lawmakers have net worths greater than $100 million, according to the Center’s 2008 figures.

"Many Americans probably have a sense that members of Congress aren't hurting, even if their government salary alone is in the six figures, much more than most Americans make," said CRP spokesman Dave Levinthal.

"What we see through these figures is that many of them have riches well beyond that salary, supplemented with securities, stock holdings, property, and other investments."


Among executive branch officials, CRP says the richest is Securities and Exchange Commission Chairwoman Mary L. Schapiro, with a net worth estimated at $26 million; Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is next, worth an estimated $21 million. President Barack Obama is the sixth-wealthiest, worth about an estimated $4 million.


Many lawmakers have profited from investments in companies that have received federal bailouts; dozens are invested in Wells Fargo, Citigroup, Goldman Sachs and Bank of America.

Now we see why they were so intent on funding these bailouts. It wasn't to save the banks - it was to save themselves!
Ambition and legitimate sources of wealth makes you wonder whom these representatives are representing.
How deep is the rabbit hole?

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Old 11-11-2009, 06:33 PM
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More evidence of the coming police state

JAIL FOR NO INSURANCE UNDER PELOSI "OBAMACARE" BILL

The Pelosi Obamacare bill has passed by a narrow margin in the House of Representatives, and now we can only hope that the Senate will reject the bill. Healthcare insurance is something I have always carried, and was glad I had it a few years ago when my wife had an emergency appendectomy. The total bill for that was about $13,000 and insurance paid for all but about $400 of that. Still, if I socked away the same amount of money each year that I pay for health insurance, and put it in a emergency savings account, I'd be further ahead in the long run and the money would be available for medical care when needed. I don't think that those who live healthy lifestyles should be forced to pay for the medical care of those who don't, but that's exactly what will occur if this bill passes the Senate. And those who refuse to pay for mandated insurance will face stiff fines and time in jail.

The nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation reported that the House version of the healthcare bill specifies that those who don't buy health insurance and do not pay the fine of about 2.5 percent of their income for failing to do so can face a penalty of up to five years in prison!
The bill describes the penalties as follows:
* Section 7203 — Misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.
* Section 7201 — Felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years." [page 3]

That anyone should face prison for not buying health insurance is simply incredible. Just another example of the police state being foisted upon us.

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Looks like I will have to start looking for another country to call home for this one doesn't want me any more!

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JAIL FOR NO INSURANCE UNDER PELOSI "OBAMACARE" BILL

The Pelosi Obamacare bill has passed by a narrow margin in the House of Representatives, and now we can only hope that the Senate will reject the bill. Healthcare insurance is something I have always carried, and was glad I had it a few years ago when my wife had an emergency appendectomy. The total bill for that was about $13,000 and insurance paid for all but about $400 of that. Still, if I socked away the same amount of money each year that I pay for health insurance, and put it in a emergency savings account, I'd be further ahead in the long run and the money would be available for medical care when needed. I don't think that those who live healthy lifestyles should be forced to pay for the medical care of those who don't, but that's exactly what will occur if this bill passes the Senate. And those who refuse to pay for mandated insurance will face stiff fines and time in jail.

The nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation reported that the House version of the healthcare bill specifies that those who don't buy health insurance and do not pay the fine of about 2.5 percent of their income for failing to do so can face a penalty of up to five years in prison!
The bill describes the penalties as follows:
* Section 7203 — Misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.
* Section 7201 — Felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years." [page 3]

That anyone should face prison for not buying health insurance is simply incredible. Just another example of the police state being foisted upon us.

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Guys there are a lot more rights you have civil and under common law then you might realize we created this educational research resource for ALL.

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Thanks Ash,

That was some very good reading I had no idea the 13th Amendment was taken out by fraudulent means, and it is needed back inplace now more than ever. I also find it said that the first President of color has openly commited treason by holding another job, head of the world court or something like that. But lets do what has to be done and bring out the firing squad.

Plus Ash I hope you take the time to read my little thread as I think it will make the world of difference to the members of your teams results with Meyer's work: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...explained.html and the summary: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post65042 http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post65046 hope that helps,


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insurance is the crime

Yes, I agree Rick. Saving instead of spending for insurance is best.
Criminals are cash cows, making everyone a criminal is the goal.

Mennonites and Amish traditionally do not believe in insurance

Insurance avoids "strict liability" for your actions.

Ignoring scripture health laws makes one sick, buying medical insurance only
compounds the woes due to lacking strict liability.

Only 3 things are not insurable: acts of God, nuclear war
and vaccination shots (yes really!)..

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The reasons for canceling all insurance policies are:
# Insurance is a fool's gamble for the math-challenged; insurance schemes are motivated by fear, designed to enrich the insurers by taking money that should be used to 'love your neighbor.'
# You cannot simultaneously be insured and independent of man's domainance over you. Insurance places you under many levels of man's jurisdiction. (Key words for further study are admiralty, strict vs. limited liability, and equity jurisdiction.)
# We believe that anything an insurance company can do to protect us, our Father and creator will do better, but not if we are hedging our bets by buying protection from men.
# Insurance violates the strict liability statutes of the scripture which state clearly that you should bear in full the liability for your actions.
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Insurance is a Crime, Parts 1-7 recorded on:
2/1/2009, 2/2/2009, 2/3/2009, 2/4/2009, 2/5/2009, 2/6/2009, 2/7/2009

National Healthcare Insurance, Parts 1-7 recorded on:
8/2/2009, 8/3/2009, 8/4/2009, 8/5/2009, 8/6/2009, 8/7/2009, 8/8/2009,


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JAIL FOR NO INSURANCE UNDER PELOSI "OBAMACARE" BILL

The Pelosi Obamacare bill has passed by a narrow margin in the House of Representatives, and now we can only hope that the Senate will reject the bill. Healthcare insurance is something I have always carried, and was glad I had it a few years ago when my wife had an emergency appendectomy. The total bill for that was about $13,000 and insurance paid for all but about $400 of that. Still, if I socked away the same amount of money each year that I pay for health insurance, and put it in a emergency savings account, I'd be further ahead in the long run and the money would be available for medical care when needed. I don't think that those who live healthy lifestyles should be forced to pay for the medical care of those who don't, but that's exactly what will occur if this bill passes the Senate. And those who refuse to pay for mandated insurance will face stiff fines and time in jail.

The nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation reported that the House version of the healthcare bill specifies that those who don't buy health insurance and do not pay the fine of about 2.5 percent of their income for failing to do so can face a penalty of up to five years in prison!
The bill describes the penalties as follows:
* Section 7203 — Misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.
* Section 7201 — Felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years." [page 3]

That anyone should face prison for not buying health insurance is simply incredible. Just another example of the police state being foisted upon us.

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Looks like I will have to start looking for another country to call home for this one doesn't want me any more!
Goyim have no place to escape to see:
True Torah Jews Against Zionism
History of the Jews in China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Obamas jewish roots
Urban Dictionary: Goyim
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Looks like I will have to start looking for another country to call home for this one doesn't want me any more!
Unfortunatly in todays world there is no where to run...
No place to hide from world corruption.
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How the US Funds the Taliban

"Welcome to the wartime contracting bazaar in Afghanistan. It is a virtual carnival of improbable characters and shady connections, with former CIA officials and ex-military officers joining hands with former Taliban and mujahedeen to collect US government funds in the name of the war effort.

It is an accepted fact of the military logistics operation in Afghanistan that the US government funds the very forces American troops are fighting. And it is a deadly irony, because these funds add up to a huge amount of money for the Taliban. "It's a big part of their income," one of the top Afghan government security officials told The Nation in an interview. In fact, US military officials in Kabul estimate that a minimum of 10 percent of the Pentagon's logistics contracts--hundreds of millions of dollars--consists of payments to insurgents. "


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Even more bazaar is the name, "Al Qaeda" means "the base" if translated to english and look what I found on the net:
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Shortly before his untimely death, former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook told the House of Commons that "Al Qaeda" is not really a terrorist group but a database of international mujaheddin and arms smugglers used by the CIA and Saudis to funnel guerrillas, arms, and money into Soviet-occupied Afghanistan. Courtesy of World Affairs, a journal based in New Delhi, WMR can bring you an important excerpt from an Apr.-Jun. 2004 article by Pierre-Henry Bunel, a former agent for French military intelligence.

Wayne Madsen Report
read more here: Al Qaeda -- the Database
So every time you hear the words, "Al Qaeda" go ahead and translate it to it's real meaning for more perspective of what is really going on. As with every war after the civil war, the Ruling Class has been both sides of the war to line their pockets with gold.

Talk about being had, most Americans have no clue how much wool has been pulled over their eyes to keep them from seeing the truth.


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"Welcome to the wartime contracting bazaar in Afghanistan. It is a virtual carnival of improbable characters and shady connections, with former CIA officials and ex-military officers joining hands with former Taliban and mujahedeen to collect US government funds in the name of the war effort.

It is an accepted fact of the military logistics operation in Afghanistan that the US government funds the very forces American troops are fighting. And it is a deadly irony, because these funds add up to a huge amount of money for the Taliban. "It's a big part of their income," one of the top Afghan government security officials told The Nation in an interview. In fact, US military officials in Kabul estimate that a minimum of 10 percent of the Pentagon's logistics contracts--hundreds of millions of dollars--consists of payments to insurgents. "


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Hello Rick, sat down to do 10mins on the copmp: that was a hour and a half ago! some great comments on this track, many things to think about once again. I say again, because those of us of certain years will have already been there, in past useful struggles. I talk of times when we filled the streets, and chanted 'ban the bomb' 'free vietnam' 'bring the troops home' 'smash aparthied'
And here we are again full-circle, all those young people full of hope and ready to change the world, he said in his song 'where have all the flowers gone', truth was we had no idea then the strength and guile of the oppossition, it takes debate the kind you have started here to open our eyes to the struggle.
Many thanks for the time you put in.

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Who can provide a link to a video segment, probably youtube, showing Gore questioning Congress –man/women (with petitions supported by thousands of signatures) if they had certain numbers of Senators supporting their cause?
I think petitions had something to do with Gore-Bush-Florida vote scandal.
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