The real assassination target in Tucson?

The real assassination target in Tucson?
Commentary by Arizona sheriff


YouTube - Constitutionalist Judge John Roll may have been the REAL Target of Arizona gunman.



Meet Judge John Roll

"Widely respected." "A wise jurist."

The US news media heaped on the praise, but was purposefully vague about who this extraordinary judge was and what he actually did.

The early and oft-repeated media claim "the judge was just in the wrong place at the wrong time" doesn't ring true for several reasons, the most important being how the heck would they know and know so quickly?

Equally as suspicious, why did they feel the need to repeat this statement over and over again from the very beginning of the reports? Who inserted this into the news stream?

Judge Roll was an opponent of the Federal government overreaching its authority.

Specifically:

1. He ruled against federal imposition on states rights in gun law matters,

2. He ruled against elements of the Patriot Act (the part where federal "law enforcement agents" can seize your bank account without cause), and

3. He ruled against the newly announced FEMA Governor system in which the federal government plans to take the power of elected state Governors and put in in the hands of federally-appointed "regional" governors in the case of an "emergency."

It's a rare judge these days that stands up to this BS or shows any interest in the Constitution at all.

And he ended up dead in the parking lot of a Safeway Supermarket at the hands of a "lone nut" who local law enforcement allowed to run wild publicly making violent threats against employers and school administrators.

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The bogus Patriot Act is supposed to expire this year. I think people
ought to call their representatives and force them to vote against renewing
it.

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Mega dittos to that, Aaron. Let's make sure we get rid of this beast.

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This is certainly quite possible, Aaron. Does anyone have a link to information concerning who was actually shot first by Loughner? I haven't seen that information anywhere, but it would certainly tell us who his primary target was. Several were killed, and several others were wounded that day, but who was hit first? I'll bet that security cameras for at least one of the nearby stores captured the shooting sequence, but I doubt that we will ever see this footage. Confiscated, I'm sure, just like 9/11 Pentagon videotapes were, which have never been released to the public.

I see that Sheriff Clarence Dupnik, from the Pima County Sheriff's Department, said in a statement that, "I don't have information about whether she (Giffords) was the first person shot," said Dupnik.

Dupnik also said that a second person was seen at the location of the shooting, and was possibly associated with Loughner. The person was described as a Caucasian male with dark hair, approximately 40-50 years old, who was last seen wearing blue jeans and a dark blue jacket.

Rick

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This Yahoo News story states that a video of the Arizona shootings taken from a nearby grocery store does exist, and shows Giffords being shot first, from a distance of about two feet, and that Loughner then turned to take a shot at Ron Barber, one of Giffords' aides. According to this story, Judge Roll then pushed Barber towards the ground and beneath a table, and crawled on top of Barber to protect him. During this effort, Roll was shot in the back.

Later in the story it is mentioned that, "The sheriff's office turned the video over to the FBI, which has declined to release it," and that, "Pima County Sheriff's Chief Rick Kastigar said he watched the first part of the surveillance video..."

I can see why the video should not be played out on the TV evening news, but surveillance videos are not usually of very good quality and don't really show things all that graphically, especially when the subjects are at a distance. Besides, people are already desensitized to watching countless violent and bloody acts quite graphically and realistically portrayed in movies. If the public wants to know exactly what happened, then why not release this video? Will it be released after Loughner's trial? Only time will tell, but if the failure to release other videos (such as the confiscated 9/11 Pentagon tapes) under repeated Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) requests is any indication then we will probably never know exactly what happened. And while this story does point to Giffords as Loughner's primary target, it could also be said that perhaps this was intentional in order to draw attention away from judge Roll being the actual target. I'm not saying that this must be the case - but rather pointing it out as a possibility, even if an apparently remote one. I'm only suggesting that unless the video is released there will be a lot of people who will question whether the "official" story is true or not, and this is how conspiracy theories are born and perpetuated. At no time in our history has there been more public mistrust of government and government agencies, and for very good reason. We must continue to demand transparency and disclosure of information without censorship and without fear of reprisal.

Rick

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Here is the latest news on the continuing Obama eligibility saga:

Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate

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Sunday, June 27, 2004
The Standard Ltd
I & M Building, Kenyatta Avenue,
P.O Box 30080, 00100 GPO, Nairobi-Kenya.
Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.
Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate
Al

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There is no long form birth certificate proof he was born in Hawaii.
However, here is multiple pieces of evidence that he was born in Kenya.

OBAMA FAILURE AND SOCIALISM | KENYAN SAYS BHOsamma IS A KENYAN >> Four Winds 10 - fourwinds10.com

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"There is no long form birth certificate proof he was born in Hawaii.
However, here is multiple pieces of evidence that he was born in Kenya."

That's very interesting Aaron, I've never seen those pictures.

Albeit minor (to some, maybe) one thing I found very strange was that when Obama was a candidate, during the debates and speaches, I distinctly remember him talking about the necessity to concentrate on pulling out of Iraq, higher measures in Afghanistan - and the alarming part - making advances into Pakistan.

He was not even elected and yet with confidence he spoke on the matter. Even McCain made a troubled face and suggested "How dare he talk about attacking a country, when he was not even elected yet." His response, I remember it correctly, was followed, initially with a little smirk.

And sure enough, covert, unpublicised attacks on Pakistan are being made. You pretty much have to follow the news from Reuters, it doesn't seem to make much news in N.A. (from what I've seen, anyway).

I just find that really troubling, it was almost as if he totally knew exactly what the heck was going to go down.

What sort of back room meetings exist to give a person like Obama that level of pre-presidential confidence and awareness into future military covert operations.

It's scary to think about.

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Bildeburgh group ? ( maybe spelling is not right) or maybe:

In the early 1980s a character wandered into John Bedini's life who John would never forget. No-one exactly knew where he came from, but he and John instantly bonded. This became the start of a friendship that extended over several years till it ended just as suddenly as it had begun.

Like John Bedini, John Cejka had been an electrical prodigy from an early age. He also had an encyclopedic knowledge of the “free energy” scene—not only its history, but also its secret technologies, its inventors and its pioneers. And he had the documentation to support this prodigious knowledge. Documentation that was not available to the general public: and insights that were clearly privileged. How, for example, did he accurately predict who the next three Presidents of the United States were going to be back in the early '80s?

Who is planning in advance?

FRC

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From what I gather, Obama was a cia operative in his younger days
before he worked for BIC. He was a Farsi translator and arms negotiator
in Pakistan. That is how he was traveling thru there when at that time,
Americans were banned from Pakistan - he wasn't an American.

obama cia - Google Search

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No. 10-678
Title: Gregory S. Hollister, Petitioner
v.
Barry Soetoro, et al.

~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Nov 22 2010 Petition for a writ of certiorari filed. (Response due December 23, 2010)
Nov 22 2010 Appendix of Gregory S. Hollister filed. (Volumes I, II, III)
Dec 22 2010 Waiver of right of respondents Barry Soetoro, et al. to respond filed.
Dec 29 2010 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of January 14, 2011.
Dec 30 2010 Request for recusal received from petitioner.
Jan 18 2011 Petition DENIED.
Search

Petition for Certiorari: Hollister v. Soetoro
Supreme Court filings 1
Al

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Not to say that I don't believe you... at all... but that's unbelievable. Maybe not the right word... it's unfathomable, I guess is what I am trying to say.

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Bush Senior was also working for the CIA (I guess Bush junio was too stupid for anything at all so they didn't hire him).

There is a couple of amazing video relating Bush senior with the killing of JFK and another one (with convincing cirncunstancial evidence) relating Bush jr to the killing of JFK junior.

I can look it up if anyone is interested.

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You may find this interesting:
Business International Corporation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Here's the latest media installment:

YouTube - KETK TV in Texas Discuss Obama Birth Certificate

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Informative short interview.

YouTube - Dems and GOP split over Federal Reserve

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Thomas Jefferson advised, "Whensoever the general government assumes undelegated powers ... a nullification of the act is the rightful remedy."

Seven states have already introduced acts to nullify ObamaCare, including New Hampshire, Maine, Montana, Oregon, Nebraska, Texas, and Wyoming, and a similar proposal is expected to be filed in Idaho within a matter of days. If you live in one of these states, be sure to congratulate your legislators for introducing the act, and send e-mails to your representatives asking them to take swift action to pass this legislation. If you live in a state not mentioned, contact your representatives and demand that they introduce similar legislation.

These actions may be the only effective means of actually repealing ObamaCare. While the US House did vote to repeal, the measure still has to pass the Senate (which doesn't appear likely) and will then face a certain veto by Obama. After that, the best the House can do is vote to defund ObamaCare, but the law would still stand.

ObamaCare is unconstitutional, according to the 10th Amendment, and the Tenth Amendment Center, which advocates a return to the constitutionally delegated powers for the federal government, says that,
"When states pass laws to reject and nullify unconstitutional federal 'laws,' regulations, and mandates, – it's not rebellion ... it's duty."

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In June of 2010 I reported in post #740 of this thread that Tim Adams, a senior Honolulu election official during the 2008 presidential election, had stated that there was no record of Obama being born in Hawaii. As of January 20th of 2011, Adams has gone a step further and has signed a sworn affidavit stating this, and attesting to the fact that his superiors, as well as government officials, were well aware of Obama's non-existant long form birth certificate.

Here is a view of Adams' signature on the affidavit, and of the notary public's signature and raised seal:


To read the contents of the affidavit, please see this two part pdf document series: Part 1 Part 2

This should provide a strong argument in favor of the "Birther" movement's case against Obama's eligibility to be POTUS.

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In another new development regarding the search for Obama's long form birth certificate, and during an interview on the KQRS morning radio show on January 20, Mike Evans, a long-time friend of Hawaii governor Neil Abercrombie, shared a conversation he had with the governor the day prior.

Evans, Honolulu born and now a Hollywood-based celebrity journalist, claimed that Abercrombie had promised him that when he became governor he planned to find absolute proof that Obama was born in Hawaii.

When Evans spoke to Abercrombie on January 19, Abercrombie reportedly told him that he searched the relevant Hawaii hospitals using his powers as governor, and concluded, according to Evans, "There is no Barack Obama birth certificate in Hawaii, absolutely no proof at all that Obama was born in Hawaii." After Abercrombie made such a fuss about finding the birth certificate, Evans concluded of his friend that he has "got some egg in the face."

Curiously too, when Evans asked Abercrombie when he first encountered the young Barack Obama, Abercrombie reportedly said, "I remember him playing in a T-Ball league," when he was roughly five or six years old.

Those familiar with earlier statements made by Abercrombie may recall that Abercrombie had told the Los Angeles Times just before Christmas, "Maybe I'm the only one in the country that could look you right in the eye right now and tell you, I was here when that baby [Obama] was born."

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What are the rules for people born between December 23, 1952 and November 13, 1986?

When one parent was a US citizen and the other a foreign national, the US citizen parent must have resided in the US for a total of 10 years prior to the birth of the child, with five of the years after the age of 14. An exception for people serving in the military was created by considering time spent outside the US on military duty as time spent in the US.
The ABC’s of Immigration: Citizenship Rules for People Born Outside the United States - January 17, 2005

Statutory rape is illegal sexual activity between two people when it would otherwise be legal if not for their age.
What Is Statutory Rape? | Sexlaws.org

Al

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That's correct, and here are the facts on B.O.'s mother:

Obama’s mother, Ann Dunham, was born in WichitaKansas on November 29, 1942. Therefore, she was 18 years of age when she gave birth to B.O. on August 4, 1961. This does not adhere to the "five of the years after the age of 14" rule for conferring US citizenship status upon Barry if born outside the US. In any case, though, whether or not B.O. was born abroad or in Hawaii as he claims (but hasn't proven) he is still ineligible for President Of The United States (POTUS) because he is not a "natural born citizen." If his mother had been a year older, and Barry was born in Kenya, she could have legally conferred US citizenship upon Barry, but that would not have qualified him as being a "natural born citizen." A natural born citizen is one who requires no man made law or act to designate his citizenship. A natural born citizen is a person born to parents who are both citizens of a country, and receives this status under Natural Law. Therefore, if born in Hawaii then Barry would be a citizen under man made rules of law, but because of his Kenyan father would not be eligible for "natural born citizen" status or to run for or hold office of POTUS.

Rick.

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"Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy.” - Henry Kissinger, quoted by Bob Woodward in chapter 14 of “The Final Days.”

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Exactly...

#2 on JordanMaxwell.com

ABC

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This is the Talmudic jewish way of thinking. Non-jews are catlle. Useless eaters.
Kissinger is responsible for the death of 8 million people and should be in jail but we live under a jewish supremacism.
They are the american ruling class.

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I was pleased to discover that Maine, the state where I live, has enacted a proof of citizenship requirement for primary election candidates, and is among a list of 10 states now either having or considering such laws. Here is what Maine's LD34 states:
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An Act To Require Candidates for Public Office To Provide Proof of Citizenship

Be it enacted by the People of the State of Maine as follows:
Sec. 1. 21-A MRSA §334,

§ 334.Qualification of candidate for primary nomination:

A candidate for nomination by primary election shall show proof of United States citizenship in the form of a certified copy of the candidate's birth certificate and the candidate's driver's license or other government-issued identification to the Secretary of State.
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While this is great, I have contacted Maine's newly elected governor LePage to request that the new law be beefed up by adding wording that leaves no room for any vague interpretations of the law. Specifically, the law should require a long form birth certificate as the only acceptable valid documentation of US birth, and like the proposed Arizona law, a Presidential candidate should be required to document that he or she meets all eligibility requirements established under the US Constitution, and must prove that he or she is a "natural born citizen." Another very important consideration is that the law should state that any registered voter who challenges a candidate's eligibility to be listed on a ballot automatically is granted legal standing to do so, and that no candidate shall be listed until any such challenge is properly resolved.

I'm waiting for a response from the governor's office on these matters, and remaining hopeful that his response will be favorable. The 2010 elections placed the Maine legislature in Republican hands for the first time in 27 years, so the chances of amending this election law to make it hold steadfast against any attempt by Obama to get around it seems quite positive.

Rick

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A Reminder why we need Rick to stimulate this direction with threads like this

In David Rockefeller's book "Memoirs" he admits that he is part of a secret cabal working to destroy the United States and create a new world order.

Here is the direct quote from his book pg. 405

For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as "internationalists" and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it. -David Rockefeller

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Thanks, Ash. I'm fairly certain that quote of Rockefeller has been posted here at least once or twice before, but it has been awhile so it is good to have this as a reminder that the New World Order is not just a conspiracy theory. It is very real, and has been in the works for a very long time. Much of the NWO agenda has already been accomplished, and it seems that the elitists are racing to complete the finishing acts. Every single piece of legislation in the US Congress, and in the United Nations, in the past couple of years, although shrouded in benevolent sounding names, has amounted to increased governmental powers and loss of individual rights and freedoms. Obama's State Of The Union speech proved that he is firmly committed to bigger government and more runaway spending. I hope that no one is fooled by his proposal to "freeze" spending levels for the next five years. That would only result in total destruction of the US economy. As responsible individuals, we can certainly see the folly of using newly borrowed money to simply pay the interest on previously borrowed money, and that is exactly what our government is doing. And it's not just the US. Nearly every country in the world is doing the same thing, and it simply is not sustainable.

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Hello Rick, the con-men that sold 'London bridge' and the 'Ifel tower' pale to insignificance when set against the selling of the 'forged' birth certificate, too the American public. If this were all his own scam, would he not be worthy of some greater place in history, than mear President ?

Regards, Bren.

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Hi Rick/ALL

look at this
YouTube - CrossTalk: Leaked Down on Holy Land

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