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Old 10-17-2009, 10:09 PM
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I would suggest that those who want to debate the meaning of Bible passages begin a new thread specifically for that purpose. The subject of this thread is The American Ruling Class. Lengthy Bible quotes, and interpretations and debate of those quotes does nothing to address the subject at hand. It's okay to submit quotes, from any source, that are directly related to the subject matter, and which are very clear in meaning if one accepts the quote literally. If a quote needs interpretation to be "properly" understood, then it really doesn't belong here.

Here's an example of a quote, related to the subject matter, which is clear enough to need no interpretation whatsoever:

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"The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil Constitution, are worth defending at all hazards; and it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors: they purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood, and transmitted them to us with care and diligence. It will bring an everlasting mark of infamy on the present generation, enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of false and designing men." - Samuel Adams
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More about quotes:

I think that, in advancing this thread forward in a meaningful and educational manner, it would be wise to examine what our "Founding Fathers" believed in and intended for our country, versus the mindset of the American, and worldwide, Ruling Class. My previous two posts showed quotes from two of our Founding Fathers - Ben Franklin and Samuel Adams, and I think their reasoning is quite clear. Their words speak the language of patriotism and freedom. On the other hand, it is equally important to take note of what the Ruling Class has to say, and in that regard I present a few notable and revealing quotes:

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"Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen..." - Zbigniew Brezhinski
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"The decrease in purchasing power incurred by holders of money due to inflation imparts gains to the issuers of money." - Federal Reserve Bank of St Louis
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"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws." - Mayer Amschel Rothschild
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"This present window of opportunity, during which a truly peaceful and interdependent world order might be built, will not be open for too long - We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order." - David Rockefeller
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"The size of the lie is a definite factor in causing it to be believed, for the vast masses of a nation are in the depths of their hearts more easily deceived than they are consciously and intentionally bad. The primitive simplicity of their minds renders them a more easy prey to a big lie than a small one, for they themselves often tell little lies, but would be ashamed to tell big lies." - Adolf Hitler


These are but a very few of the quotes that should greatly disturb any person of conscience, and awaken them to an alternative reality that is both very real and of dire consequence to us if we choose to ignore it.

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Now that is the correct way of thinking, thanks rickoff for bringing that to everyones attention. Because the genaral population nolonger understands the US Constitution and Bill of Rights great offenses are taking place in our nation that are geared at taking our nation down. It is the later in that quote we have to worry about for that is where these attacks are coming from and not some make belive terrorist hiding in a cave. A lot of these enemies are domestic threats aswell as coming from the British Empire. Greedy power hungry individuals working together for their mutrual benifit and our mutrual enslavement.

After the supreme court decission I put the worthyness of our current media news system with the likes of South Park and Homer Simpson. Since they don't have to tell the truth what good are they other than just for entertainment purposes? What makes that decission so piss poor is the media is in our constitution and I am sure they meant for the media to tell the truth and nothing but the truth so help me God.

Men gave their lives so we could be free of the bankers enslaving ways and this is how we repay them with complancy and willfull ingnorance? The works of Edward Bernays has been put to good use by the ruling class, and if you don't know who this man is you need to look him up and learn what his methods are so you learn how they are being used against you. For once you learn them you will see, just like in the movie "The Matrix," it is all around. Watch "The Century of the Self" on google to get a good shorthand version of his methods now being used to control you.

Like rickoff said let's look at the real problems and not dance around them. For if we are to have any chance at defeating this threat to our nation we have to get at the truth. For just like the Matrix anyone still plugged into their system is potetionally an enemy for their mind set isn't right.

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I would suggest that those who want to debate the meaning of Bible passages begin a new thread specifically for that purpose. The subject of this thread is The American Ruling Class. Lengthy Bible quotes, and interpretations and debate of those quotes does nothing to address the subject at hand. It's okay to submit quotes, from any source, that are directly related to the subject matter, and which are very clear in meaning if one accepts the quote literally. If a quote needs interpretation to be "properly" understood, then it really doesn't belong here.

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My only comment to this is the internet is full of trash.

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Amen to that, Ted.

So many people are willing to accept everything they see, hear, and are taught, at face value - and without question. To them, the only questions that arise occur when they are exposed to alternative realities, and then they only seek to question the sanity and motives of the messengers. Their original "reality" goes unquestioned because it is so deeply ingrained that any suggestion it is false belief is practically unthinkable. I guess that I would be seen by many as being one of the "oddball" people in this world, because all my life I have questioned authority and stood against it when I believed that persons with authority over others were abusing it. Ben Franklin once said, "
It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority," and I firmly believe in that wisdom. Other Franklin quotes, that I feel are especially relevant to this thread are as follows:
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Great quotes Rick!
'Ol Ben knew what was what when it came to preserving our precious freedoms. We need more guys like him right now. Of course, he'd also be considered a radical and a conspiracy nut and probably locked up by the den of thieves running this country.
Anyone who's not mainstream is considered an oddball. I'm used to it and sort of like the isolation. There's no going back.

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More enlightening quotes:

The first group of quotes, down to the dotted line, speak of the powerful elite at the top of the Ruling Class, and tell us what their objective really is. The second group of quotes, below the dotted line, are spoken by the Ruling Class, and tell us what their objective really is. If you read down through, you will see that the first group tells us what the second group is up to, and that the second group not only admits to it, but also appears proud of it! Can you imagine - a small group of people who feel so high and mighty that they don't even care if we know what they have in store for us? Well, there is reasoning behind that madness. They know that a certain percentage of the people either won't take the time to read what they have said, or won't believe it if they do. They know that another percentage will be fearful, quake in their boots, and do nothing to stop them. And to the rest of us, it is simply their way of saying that they don't give a damn if we know their plan because they don't believe there is anything we can do to stop them. Rather arrogant of them, wouldn't you say?


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"History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling the money and its issuance." - James Madison, 4th President of the United States, a Founding Fathere, and principal author of the Constitution

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"What we have now is democracy without citizens. No one is on the public's side. All the buyers are on the corporation's side. And the bureaucrats in the administration don't think the government belongs to the people." - Ralph Nader, attorney, author, lecturer, political activist, and former independent and Green Party candidate for President of the United States

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"Man is not free unless government is limited.... As government expands, liberty contracts." - Ronald Reagan, 40th President of the United Sates

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"That government is best which governs least." - Henry David Thoreau, an American author, historian, and philosopher, noted for his essay 'Civil Disobedience,' an argument for individual resistance to civil government in moral opposition to an unjust state

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"[The Bill of Rights is] designed to protect individuals and minorities against the tyranny of the majority, but it's also designed to protect the people against bureaucracy, against the government." - Laurence Tribe, professor of Constitutional Law at Harvard Law School

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"You know, by the time you become the leader of a country, someone else makes all the decisions." - Bill Clinton, former President of the United States

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"The main purpose of the Council on Foreign Relations is promoting the disarmament of U.S. sovereignty and national independence and submergence into an all powerful, one world government." - Rear Admiral Chester Ward, a former 16 year member of The Council On Foreign Relations (CFR)

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"Great nations are simply the operating fronts of behind-the-scenes, vastly ambitious individuals who had become so effectively powerful because of their ability to remain invisible while operating behind the national scenery." - Buckminster Fuller, American architect, author, and inventor of the Geodesic Dome

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A careful examination of what is happening behind the scenes reveals that all of these interests are working in concert with the masters of the Kremlin in order to create what some refer to as a “New World Order.” Private organizations such as the Council on Foreign Relations, the Royal Institute of International Affairs, the Trilateral Commission, the Dartmouth Conference, the Aspen Institute for Humanistic Studies, the Atlantic Institute, and the Bilderberg Group serve to disseminate and to coordinate the plans for this so-called new world order in powerful business, financial, academic, and official circles. - Jesse Helms, 5 term Senator from North Carolina and chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee

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"The real menace of our Republic is the invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy legs over our cities states and nation. At the head is a small group of banking houses generally referred to as 'international bankers.' This little coterie... run our government for their own selfish ends. It operates under cover of a self-created screen...[and] seizes...our executive officers... legislative bodies... schools... courts... newspapers and every agency created for the public protection." - John F. Hylan, mayor of New York City from 1918 to 1925, who challenged special interest groups

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"The interests behind the Bush Administration, such as the CFR, The Trilateral Commission -- founded by Brzezinski for David Rockefeller -- and the Bilderberger Group, have prepared for and are now moving to implement open world dictatorship within the next five years. They are not fighting against terrorists. They are fighting against citizens." - Dr. Johannes B. Koeppl, PhD, a former German Defense and NATO official who warned of Global Domination in 1984
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"The Trilateralist Commission is international...(and)...is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States. The Trilateralist Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power - political, monetary, intellectual, and ecclesiastical." - Barry Goldwater, 4 term senator from Arizona, and a 1964 candiate for President of the United States


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"Capital must protect itself in every way... Debts must be collected and loans and mortgages foreclosed as soon as possible. When through a process of law the common people have lost their homes, they will be more tractable and more easily governed by the strong arm of the law applied by the central power of leading financiers. People without homes will not quarrel with their leaders. This is well known among our principle men now engaged in forming an imperialism of capitalism to govern the world. By dividing the people we can get them to expend their energies in fighting over questions of no importance to us except as teachers of the common herd." - J.P. Morgan, an American financier and banker who dominated corporate finance and industrial consolidation during his time. He destroyed Nikola Tesla's Wardenclyffe project to supply free energy to the masses. After his death, Morgan's son, J.P. Morgan Jr., helped to create and control the Federal Reserve with the participation of 11 other banking families

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"In our dreams, people yield themselves with perfect docility to our molding hands. The present education conventions of intellectual and character education fade from their minds, and, unhampered by tradition, we work our own good will upon a grateful and responsive folk." - John D Rockefeller Sr., an American industrialist and founder of Standard Oil Company, which was convicted in Federal Court of monopolistic practices. Standard Oil's share of world oil refining topped out above 90%. After Rockefeller's death, his son, John D. Rockefeller Jr, provided crucial funding for startup and ongoing expenses of the Council On Foreign Relations (CFR)
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"The sovereignty fetish is still so strong in the public mind, that there would appear to be little chance of winning popular assent to American membership in anything approaching a super-state organization. Much will depend on the kind of approach which is used in further popular education." - Council on Foregn Relations
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"What basic psychological distortion can be found in every civilization of which we know anything? The only psychological force capable of producing these perversions is morality - the concept of right and wrong. The re-interpretation and eventual eradication of the concept of right and wrong are the belated objectives of nearly all of psychotherapy." - Dr. G. Brock, psychiatrist and first director of the World Health Organization
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Hi Jessica;

Out of respect for Rick and his request I have revived the "Bible" thread and have just posted my comments there.

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Hi Rickoff,
Keep the quotes coming for the people have to see that we are at war and that we are currently losing. You and I seem to know the truth, what I am doing to fit them openly is giving away energy independence and for the most part I am done with that goal. The circuitry was the last part I had to work with and was also the part of Stanley Meyers techonolgy I needed help with. Well all of my giving paid off for when I got to the point of needing help I got it
Now the circuit is complete enough for preleminary engine trails for all who read my thread, "Stanley Meyer Explained." I did my best to go over every aspect of Meyers work concering the water fuel injection system. And I gave the technology away for free not asking a dime from anyone. But I don't think most understand that this is going to be something that people are going to have to take charge of themselves for any attempts to mass produce this for easy consumption or distribution will more than likely a only to the person or persons death.

To dump free energy on the market is a major no no in the eyes of the Ruling Class punishable by, riches ie selling out, life imprisonment, and death, and note they normally come in that order but not always. It's my way of bucking the system by empowering the individual by giving them a gift that frees them from ever buying energy again for the rest of their lives. I find most have no idea of their enemy and how they go about keeping technologies like these out of the hands of the masses. As Someone that goes by the name "Ravi" found out the hard way thatna video showing success only gets "their" attention. Geek and Zigaroarus also found out this the hard way. The last victim was Dr. Dingel someone they shut down for close to 40 years due to the influence using the IMF and World Bank. He finnally made a deal with a Korean car company and two weeks later he was brought up on charges and given 20 to life at the age of 82 which is a life sentance.

The only way to beat them is to throw down the gantlet of greed and give the technology away, trust me they give no other way. For they have all the keys and are gaurding all the doors except this for they belive their greedy ways are now fully intergrated into the minds of the controled masses and for the most part they are correct. They forever on the look out for am ideaist such as myself but since I know how to fight them I slipping through the cracks. I know the things that send out red flags to alert them of a possible threat to their game. Since I feel that I am done for the most part I feel I have accomplished the first phase of getting the technology out to the people that need it most. I know if I make a video showing the technology working I will have to go into hidding. So I wait for the greedy ones to do it for me, as I said before people that are still pluged into the system can poteinshally become an enemy, and they are very predictable. I always say just take the savings and pass on what you have learned to you fellow man nowing the greedy can't resist the oppotunity to take advantage of their fellow man.

Keep up the great work rickoff,

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Old 10-18-2009, 09:17 AM
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Thanks, H2O,

By the way, I'd appreciate it if you would post a shortcut link here to the working circuit diagram that you speak of. I know it is in your Stanley Meyer Explained thread, but that is a long one so would be difficult to find without having the link.

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We can be our own worst enemies

The greatest weapon that the Ruling Class has going in their favor is public apathy. There are many reasons why apathy is so prevalent - a feeling of hopelessness, a feeling that one's vote does not matter in the larger scheme of things, an "I don't care" attitude, fear of bucking the system, ignorance, or effective brainwashing foisted upon us by the Ruling Class. Here are a few quotes concerning apathy:

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" As nightfall does not come all at once, neither does oppression. In both instances, there is a twilight when everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all must be most aware of change in the air - however slight - lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness." - Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas

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"We have the greatest opportunity the world has ever seen, as long as we remain honest -- which will be as long as we can keep the attention of our people alive. If they once become inattentive to public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, judges and governors would all become wolves." - Thomas Jefferson, 3rd President of the United States, main author of the Declaration of Independence, and one of the most influential Founding Fathers

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"For the great majority of mankind are satisfied with appearances, as though they were realities, and are often more influenced by the things that seem than by those that are." - Niccolo Machiavelli, an Italian philosopher and one of the main founders of modern political science

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"As I watch government at all levels daily eat away at our freedom, I keep thinking how prosperity and government largesse have combined to make most of us fat and lazy and indifferent to, or actually in favor of, the limits being placed on that freedom." - Lyn Nofziger, assistant to the president in political affairs, White House, Reagan administration

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"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs, is to be ruled by evil men." - Plato, a classical Greek philosopher

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"The short memories of the American voters is what keeps our politicians in office." - Will Rogers, Cherokee-American cowboy, humorist, social commentator, and actor

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"When liberty is taken away by force it can be restored by force. When it is relinquished voluntarily by default it can never be recovered." - Dorothy Thompson, first American journalist to be expelled from Nazi Germany [1934]
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Thanks, H2O,

By the way, I'd appreciate it if you would post a shortcut link here to the working circuit diagram that you speak of. I know it is in your Stanley Meyer Explained thread, but that is a long one so would be difficult to find without having the link.

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Will do when I get my PC back from the repare shop for I can't do that with this Iphone. Both of my PC's are down right now don't know what was sent at me but one is down for good and still waitting to see if the other can be repared. But as I said before it's too late now for all is already posted on the thread.

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Out of respect for Rick and his request I have revived the "Bible" thread and have just posted my comments there.
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Thanks, Al, I really appreciate that. Those wishing to view or join the Bible thread discussion may find it here: http://www.energeticforum.com/71366-post121.html

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Will do when I get my PC back from the repair shop for I can't do that with this Iphone. Both of my PC's are down right now
Sorry to hear your PC is still down. Could the schematic diagram that you refer to be the one supplied by bussi04 as Gas Processor and Photon Driver Circuit found at this link?: http://www.energeticforum.com/65865-post1034.html

Or might it be the diagram posted by sebosfato, titled Control System and Resonant Tank Implementation Circuit which is found here?:
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Confessions of an Economic Hit Man: What really goes on behind Global Affairs

Very few people know anything about what really goes on behind the scene when it come to U.S. foreign policy and the corporate interests that drive it all. Our government is controlled by powerful corporate interests that have literally hijacked the powers of government and our military to advance their own selfish agendas. John Perkins was one of the men working behind the scenes to expand a global empire primarily through economic blackmail where they seduced third world leaders into taking out enormous loans from the World Bank that were impossible to repay so that U.S. corporations could swoop in and acquire control of their natural resources. John Perkins tells the whole story in a video interview which can be found here:
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So what's your point? I see nothing wrong with this resolution. Perhaps Hamas and some of the Palestinians need to look at an "alternative reality" and cease fire.

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You are more than welcome and thanks for the link. I had about decided to restart the "Bible" thread anyhow, your request nudged me to "get 'er done". Nothing should distract us from the goal of wresting control back from the wealthy elite and their henchmen.

While there are many different beliefs, etc. represented here, we must not let that or anything else divide us or distract us from that goal.

You have been most "zealously" (LOL) leading in pursuing that goal and doing a great job. Keep up the great work.

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Sorry to hear your PC is still down. Could the schematic diagram that you refer to be the one supplied by bussi04 as Gas Processor and Photon Driver Circuit found at this link?: http://www.energeticforum.com/65865-post1034.html

Or might it be the diagram posted by sebosfato, titled Control System and Resonant Tank Implementation Circuit which is found here?:
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The one Bussi04 helped finish for me I wouldn't pay much attention to the Sebofasto one as I have no idea what he is doing and I had to put him on the ignor list for trying to hijack my thread several times. I had HMS776 make some corrections to the circuit and I added figure 4 to the circuit so I could raise and lower the voltage from inputs from the cars systems for overall control of the engine. Bussi04 completed figure 4 and now I am ready for engine trails as soon as I get the injectors modified. For me it will take two of those circuits to run my project car as I am designing it. The one thing I found is circuit of Meyers that are really needed are figures 4 & 5 and they can go to any frequncy generator with a pll circuit. The Electron Extaction Circuit turns out to be very important and I had HMS776 replace the LED driver and EEC hooked up correctly. Trust me it's all there enough to go towards engine trails. Right now I am very excited that soon I will become energy independent.

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Thank you Rick for all those quotes. All very telling, for those with ears to hear.

Perkins's book Confessions of an Economic Hit Man is well worth reading, as is Andrew Lobaczewski's book Political Ponerology. To me, the sooner we understand psychopathy the better off we'll be. Most people have no idea what it is and how it affects their lives and have no idea of how to deal with it because it runs counter to everything that they know about how decent folk deal with each other. Again, well worth the read.

Also worthy of further study are some of the works of Bertrand Russell, such as The Impact of Science on Society and Education and the Good Life. The earlier the edition, the better. Those are getting harder to find these days, but they still do exist for the patient seeker to find. Also of merit are the non-fiction works of H.G. Wells, and of course various books from Carroll Quigley, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Jacques Attali, Charles Galton Darwin, and many, many others.

There is supposedly a book by Bertrand Russell where he says "we will use the needle" for some purpose, but I have not been able to glean the source of that quote. Forget Google; it seems they really are useless these days for any serious research, and I haven't found any other search engines that are any better.
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So what's your point? I see nothing wrong with this resolution. Perhaps Hamas and some of the Palestinians need to look at an "alternative reality" and cease fire.

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Thank you Rick for all those quotes. All very telling, for those with ears to hear.
You are welcome, Shamus, and thanks for the reading suggestions. Unfortunately, many who are curious enough to read through this thread will not feel the need for such research. Any reasonable thinking person can look around and see that our world is in great and constant turmoil, but instead of seriously questioning what it is that has brought us to this point, we feel more comfortable in pointing the finger of blame at someone, or some group, saying, "it's the Republicans," or "it's the Democrats," when in fact it is really us who are to blame. We have become apathetic and complacent, and are held hostage by our belief system. We have all been schooled, during our formal education years, and through continuing indoctrination by mass media, to believe the "official" version of historical and current events. These ideas are so ingrained that we have no reason to doubt any of them unless and until we face a life experience that shakes or shatters any of those beliefs. When something of that nature occurs, it is a major upheaval to us, and results in us questioning whether much of anything we have been told has been truthful or not. It is only when facing that situation that we feel the need to search for and discover truth. And when we finally do feel compelled to begin this quest, we find that it is much like sifting through pieces of a large jigsaw puzzle which are laid out before us on a table top. Some of these pieces will hold truths that are self-evident, while some others will bear half-truths that only lead to further confusion. Still others will bear presumptions that have no factual evidence to support them. These may be personal opinions, but may also be deliberately misleading speculation. And the final category in these pieces of the jigsaw puzzle are those which offer the greatest confusion of all, wherein we look at this information and say to ourselves, "this either has to be true, or it is one of the greatest deceptions ever perpetrated upon mankind." Quite often, this final category is steeped in half-truths, which make it all the more difficult to analyze. Masters of deception, such as Hitler, have been very successful throughout history in employing lies, truths, and half-truths in such a manner as to skillfully deceive the masses and promote their unsavory agendas. You may remember the quote of Adolf Hitler that appeared in post #62, which is echoed and explained further in this quote from his book, Mein Kampf:

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"In the simplicity of their minds, people more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have such impudence. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and continue to think that there may be some other explanation." - Adolf Hitler - from Mein Kampf


Hitler knew that a big lie would be far more easily accepted by the masses than a small one, or a series of small ones. He correctly reasoned that nearly everyone has told enough small lies to be familiar with this type, and to spot them for what they are. A big lie, on the other hand, is inconceivable to most people, and thus the easiest to believe without question, especially if acceptance of that belief appears to be beneficial to us in some way. Here's an example of such a lie. We are all familiar with the automobile brand Volswagen, and some people know that this German word means "people's car." Most people, however, are not aware that the people's car was a gigantic scheme that was originated by Hitler. Hitler worked with Ferdinand Porsche to come up with a design for a lightweight and low cost automobile that would appeal to the masses who previously could not afford an automobile. In 1934, Porsche built a prototype of the car especially for Hitler's mother. Hitler unveiled the plans for the people's car to a public which, of course, enthusiastically accepted the idea of mass production of the vehicle. Hitler set up special savings accounts which were to hold monies paid by people who would commit to buying one of these cars, and stipulated that each should pay in 5 reichsmarks per week to the account. Each participant received a payment booklet in which the actual payments were verified when made. It all had the appearance of legitimacy, and around 336,000 people bought into the plan. The people were eager to support the idea of building a huge assembly plant in a new city (KdF-Stadt, now known as Wolfsburg) to be built especially for the assembly line workers who were to be employed there, and of course many hoped that they would be given one of these jobs and be able to live in the new city. With widespread support for the project to go forward, construction of the factory began in 1938. By the time war broke out, a year later, only a handful of the vehicles had been produced, and none of these were delivered to any of the people who had completed their payment books. Hitler then instructed that the factory should be converted to the production of military use vehicles, which of course had been his plan all along. I offer this example to readers because it is the perfect example of a big lie that is eagerly and unquestioningly accepted by the people. If Hitler had attempted to pay for the production facility by imposing a hefty tax hike, it would have been a very unpopular move that would have resulted in resentment and possible rebellion, but by creating a big lie that had the appearance of truth, Hitler's plan gained instantaneous and widespread support from people eager to part with their money. And make no mistake - this lesson did not go unnoticed by those in other nations who were dreaming of ways in which they could take advantage of the gullible nature of people. This type of lie is very prevalent today in every corner of the globe, and the United States is no exception. Hitler was not the first to make use of this type of lie, and this was not the first time he had used the device. He studied the method well and became a master of it. As time has passed, others have become equally masterful in applying its use. The basic construction of a plan in which to develop and promote a big lie for public acceptance is what is known as the Problem-Reaction-Solution construct. Such a plan is actually worked backwards, starting with the goal that needs to be achieved. Hitler's goal was to mass produce military vehicles and supplies for his war machine. He required an expensive factory complex to do that, and he required public support and a large influx of money to move his plan forward. He could see that a problem already existed in that only the wealthy few could afford an automobile, and he correctly reasoned that the public would react favorably to a suggestion of building cars that would be affordable to the average person. In fact the reaction was more than just favorable - the people embraced the idea wholeheartedly and practically demanded that the project be started immediately. So Hitler then offered up a solution (the payment plan) which was designed to finance his plan. The Problem-Reaction-Solution construct is a very powerful concept that can be applied to achieve practically any results that are desired, and when applied with skill can easily overcome the moral outrage and objections that would ordinarily result if the public understood the true nature of the plan.



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I see this put forwards by the so called 'Neo cons' with their project for a new America. All of their plans are in there even future ones that haven't taken place yet like the North American Union. As they crash the dollar they will let the people suffer and then give a solution of a new currancy, already named "the Amero." The people will demand this new currancy but it will come with strings attached like the ending of America to the creation of the North American Union where freedoms are given by the state and the state can take them away. As unbeliveable as this sounds in the hard times to come you will be able to see the mindless masses demand such an action from the government, thus ending America without a shot being fired. 9/11 was just the galvenizing event needed to kick off these plans, since so many are starting to question the events surounding 9/11 they have given use heads-up of another attack they are planning to carry out on us. President Obama warned that another 9/11 is intimate and my best guess is it is be blaimed on Iran so the mindless masses will demand retribution against yet another inocent country who's oil we want. Perhaps they will take out a large city that is nolonger important to them, like LA or Houston. We have to wait and see unfortuintally. But the big lie has already been put into action and the mindless masses took the bait hook, line, and sinker, poor Iraq didn't stand a chance against that lie. But don't take my word for look it up for yourseleves.
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The Problem-Reaction-Solution construct

In my last post, I introduced the Problem-Reaction-Solution construct, and gave an example showing how Hitler ingeniously used this method to build a huge factory complex where the vehicles for his war machine would be built. The hundreds of thousands of people who had made payments to purchase the affordable automobiles that Hitler promised them had no idea what Hitler really intended. In 1939, when the factory was ready to produce the "people's car," war suddenly broke out and Hitler explained that the factory must be quickly converted to build the military vehicles that would be needed. Hitler needed to convince the public that there was a good reason for a change in plans. If the public knew this was his plan all along, there would have been rioting in the streets and calls for Hitler's ousting by those who were scammed. Hitler needed a war in order to convince the people of the need for a rapid military buildup, and thus the need for a conversion of the factory to military vehicle production. The people still remembered the trauma caused by World War 1, and a new war would not be a popular idea, so Hitler and his top level Nazi aides devised a plan to make the people believe that they were under attack from neighboring Poland. A staged attack upon a German radio station ( Gleiwitz incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ), led by Nazi forces posing as Polish provocateurs became the best known of 21 staged incidents designed to infuriate the German people. The radio station "attack" was extremely successful because the "attackers" broadcasted an anti-German message in Polish. In those days, people sat around the radio in the evening, much as families watch TV today, so the event was instantly made known to multitudes of German citizens. These incidents were seen by the people as a very serious problem, and the correctly assumed reaction of the people, who believed their homeland was under attack, was to angrily shout, "hier muß etwas getan werden!" ("something must be done about this!") The Nazi government solution to the problem was to invade Poland, which of course is what they planned to do all along. On the day of the invasion, Hitler expained that this was a "defensive" action, but a week earlier he told his generals,
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Hitler just wanted the people to believe that the Nazis were carrying out what the people had demanded, and that they were acting on their behalf. Many German men, especially the young, were eager to join combat troops and exact revenge upon the Poles in retribution for what they perceived as Polish aggression. So the Nazi plan, better known as the Himmler Plan, was tremendously successful in achieving several of Hitler's immediate goals, as well as serving as stepping stones for his long range plan of world domination.

As you can see, those who use the Problem-Reaction-Solution construct must either take advantage of a problem that already exists, or they must create the appearance of a problem through deception. In either case, the public is unwittingly deceived into believing that the government is appropriately acting on their behalf in providing a solution to the problem. Generally the public believes that the solution will bring about economic gains and opportunity, or increased safety and security. Naturally, when people feel their safety and security is threatened, public opinion is more easily molded and people are quite willing to do whatever the government suggests is necessary to maintain order and "protect" national interests. The masters of the game (the Ruling Class) are so skillful at carrying out these plans (many of which are planned years in advance), that the majority of the public is totally unaware of what the real plan is, and continue to fall for further schemes of the same type over and over again. And even if the plans become exposed for what they really were, a great many people will choose to distrust the messenger and instead believe that there must be a reasonable explanation for the actions that were taken. The Himmler Plan was known only to top level Nazis (the German Ruling Class) and not exposed until the Nuremburg Trials which convened in 1945, after the war was over. Interestingly, while just 22 of the top Nazi war criminals were put on trial, at least 4,000 others went to work for the US government without the public's knowledge, and many more were given refuge in other countries. Strange fact, isn't it?

In my next post, I will provide examples of how the Problem-Reaction-Solution construct has been used here in the United States by the Ruling Class to achieve their objectives. Until then, thanks for reading and best wishes to all,

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"The first Nazi concentration camps were greatly expanded in Germany after the Reichstag fire in 1933, and were intended to hold political prisoners and opponents of the regime. They grew rapidly through the 1930s as political opponents and many other groups of people were incarcerated without trial or judicial process."
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Those who read my previous two posts should have a clear understanding of how the Problem-Reaction-Solution construct was employed by Hitler and the Nazi Ruling Class of Germany to achieve goals and objectives quickly while always maintaining strong public support. Public support is key to this psychology, and what better way to garner that support than by tricking the public into believing that the government is responding to the public's demands for action.

The Problem-Reaction-Solution construct did not begin with Hitler, and it did not end with his death. It has been used in virtually every corner of the world by persons, and groups, desiring to attain and hold onto wealth, power, and influence. Wealth is money and resources. Resources can be items that have a monetary value, or a logistical value (a standing army, for instance). Power is the ability to use money and resources to seize or maintain control over wealth and resources. Influence is the ability to shape personal or public opinion to agree with the philosophy of the person wielding the influence, and can be accomplished by use of threat and violence, or by an offer of a benefit. The Ruling Class long ago discovered that wealth and power (their sustenance) is most easily achieved through the artful use of influence, and that offers seen as beneficial to people were even more successful than threats or violoence. You have probably heard the term "influence peddling" used before. Influence peddling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Influence peddling is supposedly illegal, but politicians and lobbyists (usually former politicians now working for corporations and special interest groups) use the technique all the time and with little backlash. Naturally, the higher that one is on the political ladder, the more effective their potential for influence becomes. The President, and his cabinet members, are in the most influential positions of our government. The victor in a presidential election supposedly gets to choose the members of his cabinet, but that is an illusion. The cabinet members are actually chosen, or "highly suggested" by the powerful elite of the Ruling Class. These appointments are an expected payback to be made to the Ruling Class for using their power and influence to get the president elected. And this is just the beginning. The influence of the Ruling Class over the office of the President is so substantial that the President can hardly accomplish anything without their approval, and to go against the Ruling Class is political suicide. The first thing that politicians do after winning an election is to vote themselves a pay raise, and the second thing they do is to start planning for re-election. It takes a lot of money, and a lot of influence, to win an election, and who has more money and influence than the top echelons of the Ruling Class? No other group of people.

Now let's look at how the Problem-Reaction-Solution scenario can be used by the Ruling Class to nominate a candidate, and then to see that the candidate is elected president. First, the Ruling Class looks for potential candidates who possess certain qualities that could make the candidate electable, based upon their research on public opinion. In the latest presidential election, the Ruling Class knew that the one thing that people wanted more than anything else was change. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the economy, were seen by people as the problem. The reaction of the people was to demand change. So the Ruling Class knew that anything and anyone that represented radical political change would be not only desirable, but a necessity. Their solution would be to offer the people a candidate who would be perceived as being completely different than any candidate ever offered in any previous election. Obama represented that vision perfectly, so the ruling class threw their weight behind him. They pushed the slogan, "change you can believe in." With their near total control over media, Obama was presented to the people as the candidate who represented our best hope for total change. The Ruling Class also supported Hillary Clinton, and she was their back-up plan in the unlikely event that Obama would lose the Democrat party nomination. Money poured in to the Obama election campaign coffers in staggering amounts. More money was spent in this election than in any previous one, and only a fraction of that money came from ordinary citizens. The rest came from the Ruling Class, and from every corporation and special interest group which is controlled by Ruling Class influence. The magic of public opinion polls is another tool used by the Ruling Class. People want to cast their vote for someone who will be the likely winner. Nobody likes losing. So if a poll says that 55% of people are expected to vote for a certain candidate, this can actually produce that result. Likewise, opinion polls and media can be utilized to nullify the strength of any opposition candidates.

And so you see, it is a relatively simple matter for the Ruling Class, using the problem-reaction-solution construct, to select, buy, and elect the candidate of their choice - one who will do their bidding when they call in the favors that are expected to be granted them.
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This is all great stuff Rick. And when you start looking into the past you start to realize just how long the 'Ruling Class' has been around.

As I'm sure you know, this idea of 'Problem-Reaction-Solution' was also popularized by Hegel who called it 'Thesis-Antithesis-Synthesis'. And the idea predates Hegel; when you look at Plato's writings and his use of Socratic Dialectic you have to come to the conclusion that this is an ancient science. I'm almost 100% sure that a little research into ancient Egpyt and India would reveal the same ideas...

Also in use by the 'Ruling Class' is the idea of 'Devide et Impera' or 'Divide and Conquer'. I'm still amazed that it works, but it's very evident in the vicious and nasty attacks that you come under when you dare to say anything negative about the current POTUS. It still amazes me that people can't see the fact that the political parties we have been given are two sides of the same coin. Because 'Divide and Conquer' works so well, people will automatically assume that you are for the opposing political party if you have anything bad to say about the current POTUS, no matter which party he comes from.
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You must watch "The Century of The Self" to gain a clear understanding to what is being said by Milton Friedman for he is talking right out of the book of Edward Bernays book. The ruling class use his system more than any other, why? Because it works! You have to watch the whole movie, then you see the just like in the matrix his system of control is all all around you.

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Well, Well, Well;

We need to keep an eye on this; should be interesting to see how it pans out.

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