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Rick with all due respect you're back peddling here because you know when I responded to your post #5872 and the last paragraph you were specifically talking only about gun rights and conceal carry laws in specific as soon as a jacket or clothing covers a gun it automatically becomes a criminal offense and then you expanded by saying "true criminals" will do whatever they please and that comment regarding true criminals was therefore in reference to gun laws and conceal carry. That in turn is what I was responding to, the conversation regarding gun rights and conceal carry and true criminals.
Your point is understood, and you are correct in your understanding that when I said "True criminals, of course, aren't affected because they do whatever they want regardless of any statutes to the contrary," I was of course pointing out the fact that all anti gun legislation only affects people who are law abiding, and affects them adversely, while true criminals are not affected at all by such legislation. It is the State, and the State legislators specifically, who have determined that when someone covers an open-carried weapon with a jacket that they somehow automatically become a criminal unless the person possess a concealed carry permit. I totally disagree with that line of thinking, and I believe that my post #5872 made that very clear. In your reply at post #5874 to what I had said, you appeared to have assumed that I was labeling you, and others who have been convicted of felonies, as "true criminals," and I assure you that was not the case. My intent in posting #5875 was not to "backpeddle," but to make crystal clear what my definition of a "true criminal" actually is. I stated that, "In my mind, a 'true criminal' is a person who knowingly, willfully, and intentionally commits an act that violates another person's natural right to life, liberty, or the pursuit of happiness." Unless one falls into, or wantonly wish to place himself or herself within that definition, he or she is not a true criminal.

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If I have a felony conviction and even after my conviction if I chose to own and carry a gun for my own protection against the laws then I am again a criminal and breaking the law. Never mind the fact there are no victims, I am not impeding on anyone else's rights, freedoms or their pursuit of happiness but simply exercising my own rights and even with all of that I am still going to be labeled a true criminal simply because I don't give a F*** what the laws say or anyone else for that matter.
Federal and State Legislators, LEO's, lawyers, and judges are wrongfully labeling all of the People as criminals if we violate any of the Codes, statutes, rules, or regulations which they write or enforce. That has nothing whatsoever to do with Law. Law, as rightly intended to affect us, encompasses only natural law, the original federal and state constitutions, amendments which are not repugnant to those constitutions, and the Common Law.

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We can split hairs all day on natural laws or even constitutional rights and all the other stuff but the fact is the government does not care what anyone thinks or what the original laws were, all they care about is the control over the slaves and how much money they can generate from said slaves.
In that statement I totally and heartily agree with you 100% other than the fact that there is no lawful money. And that is why I am working, on a daily basis, to change that by informing all public servants what the true law is, what their true constitutional authority is, warning them not to exceed that authority, and holding them accountable if they fail to correct their behavior and choose instead to pursue a path of true criminal intent by warring against the Constitution and the People.

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p.s - In a disinformation campaign backed by heavy spending by anti-gun groups, ads are running on Maine TV and radio stations in a relentless effort to convince the public that constitutional carry would be a huge mistake for Maine. The ads, found here, falsely claim that the proposed legislation would do away with concealed carry permits, and would allow criminals to carry concealed guns in public. The bill's sponsor, Eric Brakey, however, made it very clear that the wording of his proposed legislation neither does away with concealed carry permits nor allows anyone other than those who can legally possess a handgun to conceal carry. Other ads by these organizations, such as this one, are posted at YouTube, Facebook, and other social interaction sites, for the obvious purpose of instilling and raising public fear levels to build anti-gun momentum as a means of defeating the proposed legislation. Such hysteria seems to be working in their favor, as Democrats on the Legislature’s Criminal Justice Committee outvoted Republicans, 7-6, to table L.D. 652 for the second week in a row, despite the fact that the bill is supported by 90 bipartisan cosponsors.

Interestingly, while the Maine Police Chiefs Association is against the constitutional carry LD 562 proposal, the Maine State Police are openly supportive of it.
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The following words were spoken by Senator Ted Cruz, who unsuccessfully attempted to convince his fellow Senators that approving Loretta Lynch's nomination as Attorney General would be a colossal mistake that would do nothing to restore the integrity of the office which has plummeted under Eric Holder's reign. Lynch is even worse than Holder, and has said that she sees civil asset forfeiture laws as a "useful and wonderful tool." In fact, she is the queen of unconstitutional asset seizures. Despite this, 10 Republican Senators sided with Democrats to confirm Lynch's nomination in a 56 to 43 vote, so what does that tell you? Cruz actually abstained from voting when he saw the treachery exhibited by those Republicans who were willing to abandon conservative and constitutional principles. Now we are stuck with Lynch at least until January 2017, and perhaps beyond.

“I wanted to see a new Attorney General who would be faithful to law, but her answers [during confirmation hearings] made that impossible. And I would note there is a difference. Eric Holder began disregarding the Constitution and laws after he was confirmed as Attorney General. Ms. Lynch has told the Senate that’s what she’s going to do. And that means each and every one of us bears responsibility… and I would note a particular onus falls on the new Republican majority. For several months, I’ve called on the Republican majority to block the confirmation of President Obama’s executive and judicial nominees other than vital national security positions unless and until the President rescinds his lawless amnesty…. The Republican majority, if it so chose, could defeat this nomination, but the Republican majority has chosen to go forward and allow Loretta Lynch to be confirmed. I would note there are more than a few voters back home that are asking what exactly is the difference between a Democratic and Republican majority when the exact same individual gets confirmed as Attorney General, promising the exact same lawlessness, what’s the difference?… In my view, the obligation of every Senator to defend the Constitution is front and center why we are here. We have a nominee who has told the United States Senate she is unwilling to impose any limits whatsoever on the authority of the President of the United States. In the next 20 months, we are sadly going to see more and more lawlessness, more recklessness, more abuse of power, more executive lawlessness. Now more than ever, we need an Attorney General with the integrity and faithfulness of law to stand up to the President.”
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I was of course pointing out the fact that all anti gun legislation only affects people who are law abiding

There should not be ANY legislation regarding / regulating guns or gun ownership even for "criminals" because it goes against the Constitution and our god given right to have and bear arms. Nobody loses that right simply due to breaking a law regardless of what the legislators can rationalize in their bending of understanding natural laws.

There is a breaking point where people must stand up and say enough is enough and F**k this "law abiding" propaganda BS that has so many people enslaved.

If you want to label me a criminal, or a true criminal or even a half baked criminal so be it, just be aware I do not play around and while I will respect your rights I have no issue making sure mine are respected as well.
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There should not be ANY legislation regarding / regulating guns or gun ownership even for "criminals" because it goes against the Constitution and our god given right to have and bear arms. Nobody loses that right simply due to breaking a law regardless of what the legislators can rationalize in their bending of understanding natural laws.
I totally agree, and have clearly said the same myself.

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There is a breaking point where people must stand up and say enough is enough and F**k this "law abiding" propaganda BS that has so many people enslaved.
Here again I would agree with you unless you are including those who support natural law and constitutional law (the only true Law) as being among the propaganda believers. The propaganda believers think that they are "law abiding" if they choose to obey legislated statutes, because they either don't understand that statutes are not Law, or do understand but fear the possible consequences of acting in civil disobedience to these unconstitutional statutes which LEO's and judges will wrongfully act to enforce. Civil disobedience to tyrannical and unconstitutional statutes which violate natural law is a duty of any people who wish to be free. Thomas Jefferson made this very clear when writing the Declaration of Independence, by saying, "when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their [the People's] right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government..." This eloquent statement can be reduced to mean “When injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty.”

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If you want to label me a criminal, or a true criminal or even a half baked criminal so be it, just be aware I do not play around and while I will respect your rights I have no issue making sure mine are respected as well.
I really don't understand why you are suggesting that I would want to label you as a criminal. I've made it abundantly clear one is either a true criminal, or not a criminal at all. Once again, as I said 3 posts ago, here is my definition of a true criminal: "In my mind, a 'true criminal' is a person who knowingly, willfully, and intentionally commits an act that violates another person's natural right to life, liberty, or the pursuit of happiness." Unless one falls into, or wantonly wish to place himself or herself within that definition, he or she is not a true criminal. I don't think that I could possibly make that any clearer. From what I do know about you, 5150, I don't believe that your conviction resulted from true criminal intent, and thus I will not label you as having been a criminal. Notice I say "having been a criminal," since even if you had acted with criminal intent (which only you can say is the case or not), you have done the time for the alleged violation and have been released, which means that you are considered to be rehabilitated and of no further threat to society. Thus, I fully agree that, whatever the case may be, all of your natural and Constitutional rights should be acknowledged as being unquestionably restored. I'm all for the restoration of your rights, 5150, not against that, and I hope you understand this.

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Regarding the Senate vote that I wrote about in post #5883 to confirm the nomination of Loretta Lynch as Attorney General, here is the list of the ten Republican traitors who made that possible:

Kelly Ayotte (New Hampshire), Thad Cochran (Mississippi), Susan Collins (Maine), Jeff Flake (Arizona), Lindsey Graham (South Carolina), Orrin Hatch (Utah), Ron Johnson (Wisconsin), Mark Kirk (Illinois), Rob Portman (Ohio) and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (Kentucky).

I'm disheartened to admit that one of these is from the state where I live, though not at all surprised as I fully expected that RINO Susan Collins would side with left wing radicals, just as she has done on nearly every other issue of importance. To have the Majority "Leader" cast his vote in this way, though, is truly an abomination (or Obamanation) and speaks volumes as to what we can expect from the Senate in any matter concerning Barry's left wing socialist Ruling Class agenda.
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This eloquent statement can be reduced to mean “When injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty.”
“Historically, the most terrible things - war, genocide, and slavery - have resulted not from disobedience, but from obedience.”

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I really don't understand why you are suggesting that I would want to label you as a criminal. I've made it abundantly clear one is either a true criminal, or not a criminal at all.

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Rick,

My bad here, so let me apologize for the misunderstanding because when I said “you can call me a criminal or true criminal” I was rhetorically speaking or speaking to anyone out there in a “general sense” and not to you personally. So forgive me if my response was construed as being argumentative with you personally because it wasn’t intended as so.

Simply put If anyone wants to call me whatever they want so be it because I have no control over them or the labels society has such an easy time applying to others because in that regard I don’t really care.
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Thanks for the clarification, 5150. I appreciate that.
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Thanks for the clarification, 5150. I appreciate that.
No problem Rick, sometimes things get lost in translation without the proper voice tone or context.

I respect you personally and this thread and while I might seem to have a chip on my shoulder or even anger issues they are not directed at you personally or anyone in this thread.

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I am pretty sure that most of the problem with water in california is being created politically

here is a good one to read
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"Why isn’t the environmental community forced to defend its use of water allotments and practices like farmers?"
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We are a nation that has a government, not the other way around. And this makes us special among the nations of the Earth. Our government has no power, except that granted it by the People. It is time to check and reverse the growth of government, which shows signs of having grown beyond the consent of the governed. - Ronald Reagan
Truer and timelier words were never spoken. Ronnie spoke those words many years ago as a warning, and a call to action by the People. Today we see the results which have occurred due to the failure of the People to stop and reverse the trend that he spoke of. To those who understand and agree with Ronnie's words, it has only become more and more evident, with each passing year, that the trend he spoke of is a tyrannical agenda intentionally designed to shred our Constitution, deny all of our unalienable natural rights, and establish a totalitarian government that replaces the free Republic that our Founding Fathers gave us.

Today our municipal, State, and federal governments expect us to believe that they hold all the power and can thus make and enforce all the rules that govern us. In truth, though, each individual in this Republic was intended to, and does in fact, hold more power than the entirety of the aforementioned governments. What the People must do, in order to stop and reverse the despotic agenda that Ronnie spoke of, is to understand how to exercise their power. As Ronnie said, "Our government has no power, except that granted it by the People." The only powers ever granted to our government, by the People, are the powers enumerated in our Constitution. Any other powers which the government claims to have are those powers which they have unconstitutionally granted themselves. Such powers are baseless and unlawful, are repugnant to the Constitution, and are therefore as null and void as if they had never been enacted and instituted.

The People, through their consent, created our government and gave it very limited powers, and only for the purpose of protecting and defending our natural unalienable rights and liberties. Consent is the key word to understand. So what, exactly does "consent of the governed" mean? Both Ballantine's Law Dictionary and Black's Law Dictionary define the meaning thusly:

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As you can see, then, the government has no power to exercise any powers not specifically enumerated in the Constitution unless the People, or an individual among the People, voluntarily consents to allow such exercise of power. What most People fail to understand is that they have the power to deny such consent, but must either exercise that power or allow the government authorities to claim that consent has been implied through failure to object to their proceedings and deny consent.

To learn about consent, understand why it is so important, and realize the ways in which government officials, code enforcement officers, and judges, use trickery to obtain implied consent, thus gaining jurisdiction over you, please take the time to watch this video.

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To learn about consent, understand why it is so important, and realize the ways in which government officials, code enforcement officers, and judges, use trickery to obtain implied consent, thus gaining jurisdiction over you, please take the time to watch this video.

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DESPITE ACTIONS OF POLICE AND LOCAL COURTS,
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DRIVERS LICENSE VS RIGHT TO TRAVEL

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A person whom a common carrier has contracted to carry from one place to another, and has, in the course of PASSIAGIARIU9 880 PATENT Nthe performance of that contract, received under his care either upon the means of conveyance, or at tlie point of departure of that means of conveyance. Bricker v. Philadelphia & It. It. Co., 132 Pa. 1, 18 Atl. 983, 19 Am. St. Rep. 5S5; Schepers v. Union I)e- 0 pot It. Co., 120 Mo. 005, 29 S. W. 712; Pennsylvania R. Co. v. Price, 90 Pa. 250; Tlie Main v. Williams, 152 U. S. 122, 14 Sup. Ct 4S0, 38 L. Ed. 3S1 ; Norfolk & W. It. Co. v. Tanner, 100 Va. 379, 41 S. E. 721. P

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What is DRIVER?
One employed in conducting a coach, carriage, wagon, or other vehicle,with horses, mules, or other animals, or a bicycle, tricycle, or motor car, though not a street railroad car. See Davis v. Petrinovich, 112 Ala. 654, 21 South. 344, 36 L. R. A.615; Gen. St. Conn. 1902,

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What is AUTOMOBILE?
A vehicle with four wheels and an engine. They move people and cargo around. Gasoline is the fuel for this transportation method. Some have electric or water run engines as well.

What is AUTOMOBILE? definition of AUTOMOBILE (Black's Law Dictionary)

What is TRAVELER?
The term is used in a broad sense to designate those who patronize inns. Traveler is one who travels in any way. Distance is not material. A townsman or neighbor may be a traveler, and therefore a guest at an inn, as well as he who comes from a distance or from a foreign country. Walling v. Potter, 35 Conn. 1S5

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What Happens If You Drive Without A License?
Written by J. Hirby | Fact checked by The Law Dictionary staff |
Driving is a privilege that Americans hold dear, so much so that some people will engage in risky behavior like driving without a license. Nonetheless, the penalties for doing so can be steep. They vary between states as each government creates and enforces its own motor vehicle codes. However, some broad conclusions can be drawn.

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"scouring the records of Albemarle County and pulling the planning, construction and tax records for the land parcel, which is indeed described as belonging to AT&T, though it is listed as “vacant residential land” of no value."
"The building permits that have been submitted to the county since 2007— B200701545AC dated 07/03/07; B201302542ATWR dated 10/29/13; and B201402314AC dated 11/12/14 — amount to $61,124,583.00 in interior and exterior alterations"
"So this vacant residential land of no value, which has seen tens of millions of dollars in construction activity"
"The bunker is built. It’s regularly exercised. It’s ready to go, joining Mount Weather and Raven Rock and the Olney bunkers that dot the west, north, and east of the capital. As the government —and now the intelligence community—button-up to protect themselves during a disaster"
The Secret Mountain Our Spies Will Hide In When Washington Is Destroyed | Zero Hedge

The economy went off a cliff in 2007. It was resuscitated with the printing press. This produced a stay-of-execution, nothing more. It bought time for people to prepare.
"it’s undergone a $61 million plus renovation since 2007"

If Jade Helm isn't a wakeup call for you / us, what will it take to get people to wake up. GOV is becoming painfully obvious in telling us to get ready.
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"scouring the records of Albemarle County and pulling the planning, construction and tax records for the land parcel, which is indeed described as belonging to AT&T, though it is listed as “vacant residential land” of no value."
"The building permits that have been submitted to the county since 2007— B200701545AC dated 07/03/07; B201302542ATWR dated 10/29/13; and B201402314AC dated 11/12/14 — amount to $61,124,583.00 in interior and exterior alterations"
"So this vacant residential land of no value, which has seen tens of millions of dollars in construction activity"
"The bunker is built. It’s regularly exercised. It’s ready to go, joining Mount Weather and Raven Rock and the Olney bunkers that dot the west, north, and east of the capital. As the government —and now the intelligence community—button-up to protect themselves during a disaster"
The Secret Mountain Our Spies Will Hide In When Washington Is Destroyed | Zero Hedge

The economy went off a cliff in 2007. It was resuscitated with the printing press. This produced a stay-of-execution, nothing more. It bought time for people to prepare.
"it’s undergone a $61 million plus renovation since 2007"

If Jade Helm isn't a wakeup call for you / us, what will it take to get people to wake up. GOV is becoming painfully obvious in telling us to get ready.
FEMA.gov Communities - CFGHOME
"Preparathon" is pretty direct.
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In response to consumer demands for uniformly sized gold items which are small enough to be used in barter, thin gold bars are now being made in strips that can be easily broken down into small squares. An example of this is the item seen here, which is comprised of 50 squares, each weighing 1 gram. Although the unbroken 50 gram strip sells for over $2,000 dollars, the individual squares would be valued at $41.63, which becomes an amount far more suitable for bartering than gold coins. Even still, though, one ounce and 1/10 ounce silver coins are in my opinion a better choice in that they offer more flexibility when bartering for items of lower value, or for use in augmenting a one gram gold piece to obtain something valued at say $50 or $60. You obviously wouldn't want to part with a second 1 ounce gold piece to obtain an item valued at $50, so use of gold alone would not be wise.

As I've pointed out in several past posts here, neither gold nor silver will likely be the smartest items to have on hand when it comes to bartering. The items that will be most in demand during a time of chaos will not be gold or silver, but rather will be survival items such as drinking water, food, medicine, first aid items, garden seeds, guns and ammo, etc. People who have stocked up on gold and silver will have something valuable in the long haul, but will find that during a crisis they will be parting with large amounts of these precious metals in order to obtain the critical items that they really need to get by on. The point in time would come when an ordinary can of Dinty Moore beef stew, which currently sells for around $2.00, will obviously be more desirable to a hungry family than a one ounce silver coin which they had purchased for around $20.00, and it may well be even more valuable. After all, would the holder of the can of beef stew, who knows that he can't eat a silver coin, be anxious to make such a trade unless the bartering agreement is decidedly, and even outlandishly, in his favor - perhaps a demand of 5 such silver coins? I think this will, in a time of chaos, be just a typical example of what people can expect to see happening if they choose to use precious metals for barter purposes. Far better, then, to use other common yet desirable survival items, such as those named earlier, in barter trades. Now is the time to stock up on such items if one hasn't already done so, as they will at some point be difficult to impossible to find, and far more costly than the current price when they are able to be found.
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A few gold and or silver coins is advisable but what would make a better barter is alcohol. It has so many uses as a medical and or pleasurable use that it would be in high demand. Also can be used as a fire starter and even as a motor fuel. It will kill most germs and is a natural antibiotic and disinfectant. Cheap whiskey will do, it doesn't have to be high quality to have these properties. Any dried food or medical stuffs would be highly sought after. Anything lightweight and compact would be almost ideal. Good Luck. stealth
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These items will all be very valuable and not too costly to stock up on now but will be used in barter more than you can know
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A few gold and or silver coins is advisable but what would make a better barter is alcohol. It has so many uses as a medical and or pleasurable use that it would be in high demand. Also can be used as a fire starter and even as a motor fuel. It will kill most germs and is a natural antibiotic and disinfectant. Cheap whiskey will do, it doesn't have to be high quality to have these properties. Any dried food or medical stuffs would be highly sought after. Anything lightweight and compact would be almost ideal. Good Luck. stealth
Thanks for chiming in on the benefits of alcohol, Stealth. Yes, alcohol will be a very valuable barter item, as well as an item indispensable for your own use, and if one has the ability to produce their own alcohol then their inventory of this item will never become depleted. As you say, alcohol has many effective uses. Any car, truck, tractor, ATV, motorcycle, snowmobile, or power boat that runs on gasoline will also run on alcohol without any modifications, as will generators, lawnmowers, chain saws, etc. Making alcohol fuel is quite easy too, and one can quickly find information on building a home or farm use still that will provide sufficient alcohol to meet one's requirements. There is a catch, of course, in that something so good and useful is always going to fall under government licensing, rules, and regulations, and alcohol stills are no exception. And of course that means that those who obtain such permissions to "legally" construct a still will become known and prime targets of those authorities during a chaotic situation when having alcohol production capabilities will be most desired. They will know exactly where to go to confiscate the product, as well as the still itself, and use it for their own benefit (aka "the greater good"). Thus it would appear that, when it comes to alcohol production, people can make one of three choices:
1. Choose not to do it.
2. Choose to do it "legally." "Legally," and "lawfully," are not the same. If something is lawful then it follows the concepts of Natural Law and Common Law, and is also in accord with our Constitution. Legalese is used by legislatures, government agencies, law enforcement officers, and judges, as a means of gaining power and control over the populace through the creation and enforcement of statutes which only have the "color of law," and which are in fact mostly repugnant to the Constitution and contrary to Natural Law and Common Law principles.
3. Choose to do it either stealthily, or in open defiance of statutes. Some amount of stealth would obviously be necessary even if doing this "legally," since roving looters would be quick to find your still if it is used where they can see it. The same is true of authorities who know that you are licensed to operate a still, and come looking for it. Why make it easy for them to confiscate what you have made and produced? If one chooses open defiance (aka "civil disobedience") of a statute that, in effect, is contrary to one's unalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, then of course that is a valid and lawful option. In a crisis situation, having alcohol fuel available to run a generator and provide electricity for heat, lighting, refrigeration, and water pumping, could well mean the difference between surviving, or not surviving, an extreme situation, so can be considered as critical to maintaining and exercising one's first unalienable right - the right to life. Your unalienable right to liberty gives you the right to engage in any activity that you deem as useful and/or necessary, as long as exercising this activity causes no harm to others. Alcohol production for use as fuel and antiseptic would harm no one unless produced or used in an unsafe manner, so naturally it is of paramount importance to ensure that is not possible. The unalienable right to pursuit of happiness is also to be considered in alcohol production, since it should become rather obvious that in a chaotic situation where gasoline fuel and electric power are not likely to be available, and even under normal circumstances, those who have the ability to produce their own alcohol fuel will be much happier than those who do not.
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Do you have a still or the parts and things in place to get one up and running if that time comes you need it?
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Do you have a still or the parts and things in place to get one up and running if that time comes you need it?
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Do you have a still or the parts and things in place to get one up and running if that time comes you need it?
I do have a small (one gallon) distiller I purchased at a Sears store that I use at my cottage to distill lake water into drinking water, and of course this could be used to refine the product from a one-pass distillation process in order to obtain pure alcohol. With that distiller, I can make 3 gallons of drinking water per day, so could make roughly the same quantity of refined alcohol if necessary. I don't plan to use that distiller for that purpose, though.

The components for a larger distiller can rather easily be fashioned from two containers, a copper coil, and just a few other items. One container should be a fairly large metal container, such as an aluminum beer keg for example, which can either be heated on a propane burner or over a wood stove. Fermented mash, which could be made from rotting apples or potatoes, some water, and sugar as an example, would normally be fermented until no sugar is detected (about 9 or 10 days), then loaded into the metal container and heated until steam is created. Alcohol has a lower boiling point than water, so is first to turn to steam. A pipe runs from the top of the metal container to another similar or larger sized container which can be a plastic one, since it is filled with cold water. Inside this container is a copper coil which connects at the upper end to the pipe running from the metal container, and to a spigot at the lower end, where the product exits the plastic container. As the steam passes through the copper coil it condenses to a liquid state because of the cooling effect of the cold water the coil is immersed in.

The first pass-through operation will yield an alcohol product that will in fact burn if lit, but will also be partially diluted by water steam that also condensed. A second pass-through, using only the first-pass product, will yield pure alcohol if one monitors the process closely to ensure that the alcohol processing is shut down before any water steam is passed between the containers. The water steam can be condensed and collected into a separate vessel, of course, to obtain purified drinking, cooking, and cleaning water, though you wouldn't want all of the water to turn to steam as the metal container used for boiling the liquid would then be damaged as it runs dry.

The 2nd pass product (ethanol) can be used as is for most purposes, but when used in a gas engine it is wise to either add in gasoline as 20% of the fuel mix, or add in some form of lubricant such as Marvel Mystery Oil or even outboard motor oil. That's because pure alcohol is very dry, burns hot, and offers no lubricating quality of its own. Gasoline has lubricating additives which are added in at the refinery for the purpose of protecting engines from dry heat damage, and this was the reason for adding lead before lead additives were banned.

In a chaotic situation when gasoline probably won't be available, it makes more sense to add in your own choice of lubricant, and of course that means maintaining an adequate supply of such lubricants to meet your expected needs. Both of the ones that I mentioned will lubricate well without fouling spark plugs when mixed with the alcohol in a 20:1 ratio (20 parts alcohol to 1 part lubricant). So, in other words, you would need to add one gallon of lubricant to 20 gallons of ethanol. You can stretch that to a 25:1 or 30:1 ratio if the spark plugs do indicate any amount of oil fouling, but I wouldn't advise going much higher than that unless you use Maxima 927 racing oil, which is formulated from castor oil and synthetics and is used in alcohol powered race cars at a 45:1 ratio. A good quality lubricant isn't exactly going to be cheap (especially if it is Maxima 927 at $35 a gallon), but since you would be making ethanol at a cost of pennies per gallon compared to what you now pay for gasoline (or would have to pay for it during chaotic times, if available), the resulting fuel cost with the lubricant added in would be minimal in comparison.

About the only drawback to alcohol production is the capability to ensure that one always has an available supply of rotting apples, potatoes, or other such fruits or vegetables which work well in the process. During good times, it's not difficult to make deals with grocery stores to buy their spoiling fruits and veggies on the cheap, and some are happy just to have you haul them away. In a time of chaos, when grocery stores won't be operating, you'd need to have an alternative way to supply what you need. Those living in the countryside and having a crop field, as well as those who don't own such a field but can make a deal with someone who does, can grow a bountiful crop of potatoes to be used both as a food item and for alcohol production. If the potatoes for eating are stored in a
cool, dry place, they will last through the winter months, and those kept in more warm and humid conditions will quickly become well suited for alcohol production.

To further answer your question, no I'm not currently operating an alcohol still but do have materials and know how for constructing and using one. I also have wood-gas production resources, as well as water power and wind power resources readily available. That's an advantage of living where I do, and I know that most people will not have such resources available to them when the SHTF. Thus, those who do prepare for worst case scenarios need to consider what application will make sense for their situation.

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Thank you Rick for your response,

Both for the actual response and the detailed explanation because I learned something new. I really never paid attention to stills before or gave them thought, much less to how they work so again you've taught me something here

now where the drinks
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Almost anything that rots or ferments can be used in alcohol preparation. Wood, grass, flowers, grains, fruits, vegetables and leaves. Although the more starch and sugar contained in these products, the higher the proof/octane alcohol can be produced. Although sugar or cane or beets can be added to increase sugar content. Theoretically, you could run a still and a wood gasifier off the same burning wood barrel if set up right. In a perfect world you could also use the water/steam as heat in a recirculating system for you home or garage use using a heater coil from an automobile. One heat source could provide for multiple uses in a multiple setup unit. It would require much work and experimentation but you could enjoy many benefits from such a unit. Also there is the left over wood from the wood gas process which could be used for charcoal water purification and or soil enhancing media for growing vegetables. Also a good vegetable press could give you the oil needed to add to your alcohol fuel. Good Luck. stealth
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Thank you Rick for your response,

Both for the actual response and the detailed explanation because I learned something new. I really never paid attention to stills before or gave them thought, much less to how they work so again you've taught me something here

now where the drinks
You're quite welcome. Of course, even in my rather long explanation, I only revealed the basics that anyone could use to get started with alcohol production. There is more to it, which can either be learned through trial and error, or by doing some research to learn the best techniques. For example, the fermenting process - which normally takes about 9 or 10 days or so, should be monitored to detect sugar levels. Boiling the fermented mix shouldn't be done until the sugar level is barely detected, as this is when the alcohol level will be highest. One can purchase an electronic hydrometer for such testing purposes, but a simple glass hydrometer, such as the Brix hydrometer shown in this video, will also work very well and would be far more desirable to have during a chaotic period of time caused by an EMP event that would fry electronic devices. The fellow in the video is testing the sugar content in a soft drink, but the procedure is the same when monitoring sugar levels in a mash mix.

Like Stealth says, practically anything that grows and will rot can be used in your mash mix, it's just that the items which are naturally higher in sugar content will be most desirable because they will be the most productive. One doesn't have to add any sugar to the mix to produce alcohol, but doing so will always ensure a higher concentration of alcohol in the mix, and thus a larger volume of alcohol being produced. The temperature during fermentation is another important consideration, and the fermentation container should be kept in an area where the temperature is at least 70 degrees. A higher temperature than that will speed up the fermentation process, allowing more alcohol to be produced in a shorter period of time.

If one plans to use some of the alcohol production to fuel a gas engine then it is very important to add a clean, low viscosity oil to the alcohol as I mentioned earlier. Another thing to consider is that a gas engine running on alcohol will run best if the volume of fuel being consumed is about 30 to 40 percent higher than when the engine is run on gasoline. To achieve this in a carbureted engine, either the carburetor jets can be drilled larger or the choke valve can be adjusted partially closed. In an engine that uses electronic controls to regulate fuel flow, the controls must be tricked into assuming that too much air is in the air/fuel mixture (too lean). A simple modification to the Oxygen sensor circuit will take care of that, thus calling for a richer mixture.
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Quotable quote of the day....

"A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take away everything you have." - Thomas Jefferson

In this time we live in, when more and more people either become unemployed through no fault of their own, or choose to be unemployed because living on the government dole is a more attractive choice than working, the numbers of those who remain working becomes fewer and fewer. Those who do choose to live on the dole probably think that the government can afford to keep giving them all these handouts, and that government is a wonderful benefactor. They don't stop to think and to wonder where the government obtains the resources which are being doled out. Those who do remain working believe that the huge income tax burden that they carry on their backs is what pays for the benefits that those on the dole are receiving. It does seem logical to think this way, as where else would the funds come from to cover the cost of those benefits? Well, the truth of the matter is that none of the taxes that taxpayers give to the IRS is paying for social programs. That's right, and it isn't going towards any other item in the federal government budget either.

Since 1913, none of the Income Taxes collected from the People of America by the Private IRS has ever gone to the US Federal Government. So where then do these taxes go?



- 67% of all Income Taxes Collected in the US by IRS are Paid Directly to the Crown in London.
- 23% are paid to the 300 Shareholders of the US Federal Reserve ( Private Bank ).
- 10% are paid to the employees of the IRS to keep the IRS Operational.

The Crown is not the British Monarchy, as most are led to believe.
The Crown is the City of London,which is a private sovereign country located in the heart of London and owned by the Vatican. The Crown is similar in setup to Vatican City in Rome, which is a sovereign state located in Rome but has nothing to do with Rome or Italy. The Crown is the creator of the world's artificial banking system and artificial legal system called the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC).The Crown is also the major shareholder of the International Monetary Fund and the US Federal Reserve.
The IRS is a Private Company owned by the Crown (City of London) and is incorporated in Puerto Rico. The IRS has nothing to do with the constitutionally created Government of the People of the united States of America.


So if all of the income tax is going to these corrupt bankster organizations then where does the funding come from to pay for highways and infrastructure? Roads and Infrastructure in the US are paid for from taxes collected as State Housing Taxes, as well as Excise Taxes collected on Alcohol, Tobacco, Gasoline etc., etc.


And where are funds sourced to operate the Federal US Government?
- Black budget and off-book transactions. There are two accounting books: one for the public domain, and one true book for internal use (the "good ole boys" club) eyes only. See the below 5 minute video:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=...&v=zwvq_JKVcdI
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You're quite welcome. Of course, even in my rather long explanation, I only revealed the basics that anyone could use to get started with alcohol production. There is more to it, which can either be learned through trial and error, or by doing some research to learn the best techniques. For example, the fermenting process - which normally takes about 9 or 10 days or so, should be monitored to detect sugar levels. Boiling the fermented mix shouldn't be done until the sugar level is barely detected, as this is when the alcohol level will be highest. One can purchase an electronic hydrometer for such testing purposes, but a simple glass hydrometer, such as the Brix hydrometer shown in this video, will also work very well and would be far more desirable to have during a chaotic period of time caused by an EMP event that would fry electronic devices. The fellow in the video is testing the sugar content in a soft drink, but the procedure is the same when monitoring sugar levels in a mash mix.

Like Stealth says, practically anything that grows and will rot can be used in your mash mix, it's just that the items which are naturally higher in sugar content will be most desirable because they will be the most productive. One doesn't have to add any sugar to the mix to produce alcohol, but doing so will always ensure a higher concentration of alcohol in the mix, and thus a larger volume of alcohol being produced. The temperature during fermentation is another important consideration, and the fermentation container should be kept in an area where the temperature is at least 70 degrees. A higher temperature than that will speed up the fermentation process, allowing more alcohol to be produced in a shorter period of time.

If one plans to use some of the alcohol production to fuel a gas engine then it is very important to add a clean, low viscosity oil to the alcohol as I mentioned earlier. Another thing to consider is that a gas engine running on alcohol will run best if the volume of fuel being consumed is about 30 to 40 percent higher than when the engine is run on gasoline. To achieve this in a carbureted engine, either the carburetor jets can be drilled larger or the choke valve can be adjusted partially closed. In an engine that uses electronic controls to regulate fuel flow, the controls must be tricked into assuming that too much air is in the air/fuel mixture (too lean). A simple modification to the Oxygen sensor circuit will take care of that, thus calling for a richer mixture.

Thanks again but you know what it just sounds like a lot of farking work, I'll just stick to growing weed in undisclosed places and roll that ship up and smoke it, then when the world is crashing around me I won't give a fark.
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