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Old 10-18-2013, 03:01 AM
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117 RINO Republicans

Today 117 RINO Republican traitors (30 in the Senate, and 87 in the House of Representatives) voted to both keep Obamacare intact and raise the Debt Ceiling. Go here to see who these traitors were.

As fully expected, the end result was not even a compromise. Barry and Dirty Harry were given everything they wanted by the RINO's who sold us out. These traitors put on a show, hoping to gain the admiration and support of grassroots conservatives, by voting to defund ObummerCare, but like Senator John McCain they all were determined that the TEA Party caucus effort to defund ObummerCare and hold the line on a debt ceiling increase would fail. Boehner, the head House RINO, was heard saying "We fought the good fight. We just didn't win." Bull****! If all Republicans in the Senate and House had stood firm, they would have won. Caving in is not standing on principle and fighting. Every one of these traitors who is up for reelection in 2014 must be booted out of office and replaced by principled men and women.
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Old 10-18-2013, 04:14 AM
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Its frustrating to see republicans cave in...
I dont know what the numbers are...but heres the question: Are conservatives the minority?
Did the system work exactly as it should? Did the majority get what they wanted?
Obama was re-elected while touting Obamacare.

9 Trillion has been borrowed in 10 years. The country should be unified in outrage.
Instead a large percentage of people are only angry at republicans who want the budget reduced.

Are the majority already dependent on big government?
Is that why republicans caved, are they afraid of not being re-elected by the majority?
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Old 10-18-2013, 02:17 PM
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One of the things

that bothers me, is the argument "Obama was re-elected while touting Obamacare." Its part of the litany of arguments made, to say Obummercare is 'the law of the land, so just get over it! There were many reasons for NOT voting for Romoney, and one of them was that even his adamant supporters had to have real doubts as to his intantions, regarding Obummercare; he was, after all, the 'father' of this bastard child, and all he said was that "on day one, he would do what he could to abolish it.
If, instead of an Presidential election, we had had a national vote, straight up or down, on whether to have O'bummercare or not, in Nov. of 2012, does anyone think it would have passed?
So, I wish people would stop using the National results of a Presidentil election, as an indication of Obummercares 'legitimacy'. Romoney was the worst possible candidate to put up against Obummer, (from the Republican and conservative point of view), and the best, from o'bummers. Most voters were not thinking about o'bummercare, when they went into the voting booth!Jim
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Old 10-18-2013, 05:45 PM
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Are the majority already dependent on big government? Is that why republicans caved, are they afraid of not being re-elected by the majority?
I can assure you that all 117 Republicans who caved will now have a lot more to worry about when the 2014 elections roll around than they would have if they had stood firm. They didn't vote as they did because of worrying about voter backlash. They voted that way because that was the establishment Republican plan all along. They wanted to make it look, to real conservatives, like they supported the effort to defund ObummerCare and stop the debt ceiling from being raised, but their final vote exposed them for the traitors that they are.

Take just one of these traitors, for example. I had written letters to Republicans who looked like they might be prepared to cave, urging them to stand firm, and one of these was Illinois Representative Rodney Davis. Here's what Davis wrote to me in reply:

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I want to thank good conservatives like you for standing by me during this difficult time in Washington, D.C. The refusal of Democrats in the Senate and the President to negotiate has put our nation in an unfortunate position. I am deeply concerned about the effects that Obamacare will have on your healthcare as well as my own.

I am also uncomfortable with programs like Obamacare that will increase our nation's debt. It is irresponsible to burden our future generations with misguided policies that do not consider our long-term obligations. Please be assured that as we move forward I will continue to keep your thoughts in mind.
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Well the dog and pony show is over at least for the moment but will probably be replayed in a couple months or so.
However did anyone really expect a different outcome from this perfectly choreographed script? The republicans on queue jumped up, screamed and shouted, offered numerous revisions and amendments while the democrats rejected it all and offered nothing in return.

Meanwhile the real PTB through their control media claimed that it was the republicans who were not willing to compromise and it was they who were the sole reason for the government shut down. In reality both republicans and democrats got exactly what they wanted, no change in the current system. However it made good theater for the unwashed masses.

Of course lurking into the background is an economic and banking meltdown, naturally we are not supposed to be aware or even concerned about such a thing. Just ignore that it is just now being reported the national debt increased by 400 billion in the one day since the government began borrowing again, this shatters all previous records by a factor of almost 2 times.

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... it is just now being reported the national debt increased by 400 billion in the one day since the government began borrowing again, this shatters all previous records by a factor of almost 2 times.
Remember Barry saying that raising the debt limit "won't add a dime" to the national debt? “It does not increase our debt,” Barry said. “It does not grow our deficits. All it does is allow the Treasury Department to pay for what Congress has already spent.”

Some of what Barry said is a half-truth, since raising the debt limit certainly in and of itself does not constitute a higher national debt. What increases the debt is the fact that Congress always wants to spend whatever additional amount is included in the raise of the debt ceiling, right up to its limit, and to spend that amount as quickly as possible.

The part where Barry stated a bold-faced lie was in claiming that it was necessary to raise the debt ceiling so that Congress could pay for what it had already spent. That statement is totally false, and totally illogical as well, for the reason that since Congress was already restrained from spending more than the debt ceiling allowed, they couldn't possibly have rung up a bill that we would need additional funds to pay for. That's the whole idea of a debt limit - once you reach that limit you cannot go beyond it.

Holding the line and preventing a debt ceiling increase would not have caused a default on already promised payments, as Barry has often suggested. That would be impossible unless the funds allocated to spending programs had already exceeded the debt limit.

It's amazing that so many people can listen to Barry's flip-flopping and lies, and eat it up as though it is sensible gospel truth.


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Usually Congress sets a borrowing limit, or debt ceiling, that caps the total amount the government can be in the red.

But under the terms of this week’s deal, Congress set a deadline instead of a dollar cap. That means debt will rise by as much as the government spends between now and the Feb. 7 deadline.
Hello! I guess just raising the borrowing limit was not enough. They need just gave themselves a blank check!
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Old 10-19-2013, 05:35 PM
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I guess just raising the borrowing limit was not enough. They just gave themselves a blank check!
That's correct, MS. They didn't raise the debt limit, they removed it until the next scheduled "debt crisis," which is set for February 7, 2014. There's no restraint, and no limits during that time, on what Barry and Congressional traitors can spend on wasteful and unnecessary pork projects. And get this - the debt limit as of February 7 will be slated at whatever the actual debt is as of that date! That's why Congress will race to pile on as much debt as possible so that by Feb 7th it will be at a figure that they will feel comfortable with holding at for an extended period of time if they can't get the support for further raise.

By the way, at the same time that Barry's administration cut off funding to cancer research at the National Institute of Health (NIH), and closed down all National Parks because both of these items were considered "non-essential services," the administration sent a $445,000,000 check to the Corporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB) - on the first day of the "shutdown!" They of course did not want to see one of their main propaganda assets go without the funds needed to continue that propaganda campaign.
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Heres a funny clip which shows how local news all read from the same script.
The "media" is nothing more than the mouthpiece of the propaganda machine.

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A couple of points;

I believe the 'deal' they struck doesn't negate the 'sequester'; it is STLILL in effect. Oh so I've been given to understand.

Think about this; IF the Gov't doesn't get its act together, real soon, with this sign-up website, the IRS will be fining people for failing to get health insurance, when they COULDN'T get it, because the system was out of order.

Unless Obama 'agrees' to delay the individual mandate for say,....1 year. Which is exactly the 'deal' submitted by House 'tes party' repubs, which if he had taken it, would have avoided the whole 'shutdown' mess. This isn't over yet,by any mannner or means.

A lot of this (Shutdown, and Tea Party 'strategy') has been 'spearheaded' by the Heritage foundation. I saw a Fox interview of the CEO of Heritage, and he was saying exactly what I've been thinking; Republican party as the 'party of Reagan'; Populist, limited Gov't., individual responsibility.

And, he said (and I agree), if THAT is the Republican party, and the Dems are pushing the Woodrow Wilson all inclusive and in our lives Gov't., the Repubs will win.

Anyway, this is just round 1, in the o'bummmercare fight, and there is a lot farther to go, till its over! Ain't no 'fat lady singing', yet. Even IF they get the major problems in the website, etc. worked out by Dec. 15, which is highly doubtful, there is the whole question of are they going to persuade several million 'young, healthy' people to do something which is not inherently in their best interest? If not, the program spirals; the premiums for everyone who does sign up will go up, and up, and up. Its a clusterf*ck, and its only going to get worse. And as each new revelation occurs, (just wait until it comes out the website has been 'hacked' and millions of peoples personal info is 'out there'!) those who have remained firmly against this monstrosity wil be able to say "I TOLD you! Jim
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Anyway, this is just round 1, in the o'bummmercare fight, and there is a lot farther to go, till its over! Ain't no 'fat lady singing', yet.
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WELCOME TO THE 21ST CENTURY!
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Everything is becoming LESS
but still our hopes are ~ Endless.
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And our President is –WORTHLESS!!

Pretty well sums it all up. WELCOME TO THE 21ST CENTURY!

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I believe the 'deal' they struck doesn't negate the 'sequester'; it is STLILL in effect. Oh so I've been given to understand.
Partially correct. The sequester is only temporarily suspended, and is set to go back into effect February 7, 2014 unless the congressional bozos reach a deal before then, which they probably will. Thing is, since the debt limit will be slated to whatever the debt happens to be on February 7th, this won't have any adverse effect on Barry and Dirty Harry's spending plans. These creeps are going to pile on enough debt to make certain of that.

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Think about this; IF the Gov't doesn't get its act together, real soon, with this sign-up website, the IRS will be fining people for failing to get health insurance, when they COULDN'T get it, because the system was out of order.
They'll have rotten luck trying to pull that off.

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Unless Obama 'agrees' to delay the individual mandate for say,....1 year. Which is exactly the 'deal' submitted by House 'tea party' repubs, which if he had taken it, would have avoided the whole 'shutdown' mess. This isn't over yet,by any manner or means.
Nope, the TEA Party Republicans did not submit that idea. They have stood firm all along on totally defunding ObummerCare with absolutely no compromising, while funding all the rest of government. It was establishment Republicans like Lindsey Graham, John McCain, John Boehner, etc., that submitted all the various compromise plans, which none of the TEA Party Republicans voted for. As I said earlier, Republicans could have won on defunding ObummerCare and stopping a debt increase if they had all simply stood together and refused to budge. Their tactic should have been to increase their demands each time Dirty Harry rejected a proposal, rather than to cave in further and further by offering compromises. Their increased demands could have been to include defunding other unconstitutional programs of wasteful spending in addition to ObummerCare. As the demands increase each time Dirty Harry rejects an offer, Dirty Harry would come to the conclusion that it would be better to accept the proposal which has the least number of demands - in other words, the original one to defund ObummerCare.

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there is the whole question of are they going to persuade several million 'young, healthy' people to do something which is not inherently in their best interest?
The young and healthy, as well as the young and sickly, aren't going to worry at all (as long as they are not over 26) because they will remain under their parents' coverage under ObummerCare. Granted, though, healthy folks ages 27 through 47 or so won't like having to sign up unless they are folks living off welfare. This age group is comprised mostly of people who have been working, though, and getting employer health plans which have saved them considerable expense. Those who think they are going to get a good bargain under ObummerCare are in for quite a surprise. The “bronze” plan, which has the least expensive monthly premiums, only covers about 60% of your projected health care costs and has the most expensive annual deductibles – as high as or higher than $6,350 for you and $12,700 for your family. Talk about “sticker shock!”
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I don't know if any of you caught the interview of Ted Cruz done by CNN's Dana Bash and shown this morning, bu if you missed it you can still see it at this link on YouTube. Dana (pronounced Danna) Bash is about as pro-Barry as you can get, and every question she asked Ted was designed to either get him to badmouth the Republican party, defend himself against establishment Republican attacks, or answer charges from Democrats blaming him and the TEA party caucus for shutting down the government. Ted handled these questions superbly, and never stumbled. He said what he wanted to say, and what needed to be said, and totally owned Dana Bash and the conversation. In one of his answers Cruz said, "What we're trying to do is really change the way that Washington operates. The reason people are so frustrated is because career politicians, in both parties, they aren't listening to you. And even more than that, the American people have the sense, for good reason, the system is rigged." When Cruz talked about how bad ObummerCare really is, Bash asked if Republicans shouldn't just let it play out, asking if it wouldn't help the Republican cause if it really is so bad. To that, Cruz said, "I profoundly disagree with that message. Number one, I consider that theory the bad Samaritan view - basically, inflict a lot of harm on the American people and hope that we benefit from it. What a terrible, cynical approach! I'm not interested in seeing the American people suffer just because my party might benefit politically if they blame the Democrats for the foolish policies that have been imposed." Freeze the playback at 15:32, just after Cruz says this, and notice the look on Bash's face. She knows full well that she lost control of this interview from the start, and didn't score any of the points she had hoped to make.

I like Cruz, because he stands on principle and tells it like it is, saying the same things I believe. You won't see him reading from a teleprompter, or interjecting any "er's" or "uh's" as Barry frequently does. Mike Lee is an excellent speaker too, and the two of these men would make a red hot ticket for a TEA Party presidential ticket. Some will suggest that these two are just playing the people to advance their political aspirations, but I don't accept that view. I say keep your eyes on the potential candidates whom the media, and the career politicians of both parties, criticize the most, as those will be the ones most deserving of your vote in 2016. If the GOP wants to win in 2016 they would do well to get behind Cruz and Lee. That's because establishment Republican voters will vote for whoever is on the Republican ticket, including Cruz and Lee, while TEA Party supporters, independents, constitutionalists, and libertarians probably won't unless people like Cruz and Lee are on the ballot. Without the support of these groups in 2016, the Republican party doesn't stand a chance of gaining ground, or even holding what they now have.
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Think about this; IF the Gov't doesn't get its act together, real soon, with this sign-up website, the IRS will be fining people for failing to get health insurance, when they COULDN'T get it, because the system was out of order.

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You forgot the 'poor';

Income low enough so as not to require filing income tax; exempt. Oh, and illegal aliens, as well. This thing IS a trainwreck, no doubt about it.
"I'll submit to 'paying' the individual mandate, when they PRY it from my cold, dead fingers!", hmmm, doesn't 'roll off the toungue', but need to come up with some bumper sticker slogan to communicate 'I refuse to participate '. Jim
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For me personally, I am not going to sign up for Obama Care and I could care less about any fines! That train wreck is coming and it will be part of what finally brings down the United States.

It amazes me the that the people don’t seem bothered enough to protest that Obama Care isn’t good enough for the man it’s named after. That Obama is exempt from his own plan. If Obama was a true leader then he would openly and proudly be the first person to sign up for Obama Care and set the example.

Of course he won’t and the real entitlement people (Like Nancy Pelosi) would rather run the country into the ground before they ever expected to be part of the “people” and no longer be seen as the elite class who are above the common man.
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What if ..... everyone said they were Amish or another exempt religion ??? Even if they weren't ???

How could the government prove and enforce a unknown personal belief ???
I'm sure they thought about that. The IRS would probably want to see a statement from your claimed religious organization showing that you are in fact a member, and would probably request to see how much you paid in donations/tithings. Actually, the Amish aren't that keen on "outsiders" joining their group, and Scientologists are a very controlling organization that most people wouldn't want to connect with. The best bet might be the Christian Scientist faith, which doesn't expect all that much from its members, and to my knowledge has never excommunicated any member for any reason, while many religions do boot out those they see as "the unfaithful."
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The affordable health care act ( Obummercare ) is getting it's due share of failures with just the federal UN-lubricated end not working but states like Oregon that opted to conjure up their own exchange. This grand opening has a tax payer funded video with psychedelic flying cartoon characters promoting what looks like anything "BUT" the affordable health care act and more like a bad mushroom trip ..... Obummercare is not even mentioned .....

Cover Oregon: "Fly With Your Own Wings" - Dave Depper - YouTube

To this day of my posting this web site created by Oregon for this democrat branch of the country's legislators does "NOT" work at all, they can't even give a date now. This is going to be quite the trick, to fix a broken Federal system too go to a broken State system and get a mandatory insurance policy. NOT!!!

This whole things reminds me of Obummers infrastructure push to repair roads and bridges to have better access to "BANKRUPT" city's like Detroit, Illinois ..... and the hundreds to follow
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The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally.

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The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally.

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Connally said he saw the fatal shot and quickly corrected himself but his reaction when looking at Greer proves he slipped up. Watch him hit the floor in horror once he realized Greer shot JFK. The Governor, logically starting turning toward the driver because he was braking before he shot the President.

Obviously, at least the major wound that I took in the shoulder through the chest couldn't have been anything but the second shot. Obviously, it couldn't have been the third, because when the third shot was fired I was in a reclining position, and heard it, saw it and the effects of it, rather--I didn't see it, I saw the effects of it--so it obviously could not have been the third, and couldn't have been the first, in my judgment.



So I merely doubled up, and then turned to my right again and began to--I just sat there, and Mrs. Connally pulled me over to her lap. She was sitting, of course, on the jump seat, so I reclined with my head in her lap, conscious all the time, and with my eyes open; and then, of course, the third shot sounded, and I heard the shot very clearly. I heard it hit him. I heard the shot hit something, and I assumed again--it never entered my mind that it ever hit anybody but the President. I heard it hit. It was a very loud noise, just that audible, very clear.

GREER FIRED RIGHT OVER CONNALLY'S HEAD and when he realized Greer fired it, he hit the floor, terrified. WATCH THE GOVERNOR.
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Did anyone catch any of the MSM’s reporting on these events?

http://jhaines6.wordpress.com/2013/1...by-peter-eyre/

What did Obama & the New World Order have in mind for the United States? – Part 2 – The Evidence – by Peter Eyre | 2012: What's the 'real' truth?
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What did Obama & the New World Order have in mind for the United States? – by Peter Eyre | 2012: What's the 'real' truth?

This first link didnt work, this one is up to date, for some reason they changed the date in the link.
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You are correct. The first link was incomplete? A simple copy and paste gave the incomplete link
It should be:

What did Obama & the New World Order have in mind for the United States? – by Peter Eyre | 2012: What's the 'real' truth? mind-for-the-united-states-by-peter-eyre/
However this underline portion of the complete link seems to be working.

Of course for the PTB to play games with web sites that they are unhappy with is not uncommon.
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Cristian Scientists

Is not a bad way to go. When I was in high school, there was a girl i was interested in, and I found out she was a C.S., so i went to her cheurch for awhile.
My recollection is they don't have much of a hierarchy, like many churches do.And, if you ARE a Christian, their beliefs aren't THAT 'whacky', certainly not any wackier than some of the beliefs of other organised religions.
The IRS could TRY to put some kind of requirements for proof, but good luck with that. Tithing isn't proof of religious belief, neither is attendence, for that matter; ever been to a religious service where they started the service with a 'roll call'? I never have!
This 'mandate' is a lot like the way my state handles Jury duty. They send you a letter, telling you you've been 'selected' for duty, and in RED they lis the statutes and penalties for failing to serve. Then, they tell you to call an automated number, to agknowledge reciept. The letter isn't sent registered, that would be too expensive. So, if you don't want to serve, you throw the letter away, and DON'T call the #. With no way to PROVE you recieved the letter, they can't prosecute you for failing to serve. But, the way the letter is written, it SOUNDS like you will be arrested.
Gov't.s lie, all the time, and this 'mandate' is just another example. IF enough people refuse to 'sign up', particular what they are calling the 'young, invincables' the premiums for everyone else will go threw the roof.

They keep touting the 'attractive' parts of the law, that have already gone into effect; the on parents plan till 26, no pre-existing condition exceptions, or yearly or lifetime caps. And, that in SOME states, the cost is lower. But all this COULD have been achieved, through proposals advanced by republicans, and shot down; eliminating the state by state 'barriers', to increase competition, etc. If there is a lesson to be learned here, its that one party inpower makes a mistake, if they pass legislation on a straight party line vote.

Anyway, its a mess, in so many ways. D'ja see O'bummer, saying "Hey, you can still sign up over the phone,or in person"? What a joke! And, no one is fooled by them releasing how many people have APPLIED, (and, including the # who applied thru STATE exchanges), but refusing to release #'s of those who have actually GOTTEN Insurance. Jim
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October 21, 2013 at 10:30 pm
from across the pond
ponderings of some who question also
what do you believe -
what is money -
JOHN HARRIS : It's an Illusion | 2009 (FULL VERSION) - YouTube

What did Obama & the New World Order have in mind for the United States? – by Peter Eyre | 2012: What's the 'real' truth?

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With reference to hypnosis being used to carry out a staged, pre-planned murder, please watch Derren Brown, a UK hypnotist who did this.
Brown used hypnosis to persuade an ordinary young man to ‘kill’ the actor Stephen Fry on stage.
The man actually carried it out with a fake gun, complete with a very loud explosive sound it made from firing blanks.
He then calmly sat back down after doing it — even as Stephen Fry appears to have died on stage from the gunshot.
Stephen Fry was in on it. This shows the techniques they use — and it is very real.
Derren Brown - The Experiments: The Assassin (Full) - YouTube

What did Obama & the New World Order have in mind for the United States? – by Peter Eyre | 2012: What's the 'real' truth?
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HAPPYDREAMER says:
October 20, 2013 at 10:24 pm
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With reference to hypnosis being used to carry out a staged, pre-planned murder, please watch Derren Brown, a UK hypnotist who did this.
Brown used hypnosis to persuade an ordinary young man to ‘kill’ the actor Stephen Fry on stage.
The man actually carried it out with a fake gun, complete with a very loud explosive sound it made from firing blanks.
He then calmly sat back down after doing it — even as Stephen Fry appears to have died on stage from the gunshot.
Stephen Fry was in on it. This shows the techniques they use — and it is very real.
Derren Brown - The Experiments: The Assassin (Full) - YouTube
Yes, this is true, and I explained exactly how this technique works in this post from July of 2012. It's all about perceived reality, and the perceived reality of someone under hypnosis is whatever the hypnotist conveys to the subject. No matter how blatantly unrealistic and farcical that perceived reality actually is, it is envisioned by the subject as being 100% actuality. Thus, if the subject is told that some assassin is going to kill him or a loved one, unless he shoots and kills that person first, the subject will not hesitate (if given a gun) to aim at the "assassin" and pull the trigger with intent to kill. While some may think that only a moron or a mentally impaired person could be influenced to kill in this manner, that is not so. Such persons would make the very worst of recruits for hypnotic control. The very best hypnosis subjects are focused, stable persons with high intellect, and with a wide range of life experiences which they can relate to.
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This video offers many good examples of what I pointed out in a post I made on October 13th: According to the SCOTUS, in the case Self v. Rhay, "The Common Law is the real law, the Supreme Law of the land. The code, rules, regulations, policy and statutes are not the law." Government agencies and authorities would like us to believe that all of this garbage is law that we must abide by, but it really is just an illusion - a grand illusion, to be certain. (emphasis added by rickoff)

In actuality, and as the Supreme Court (SCOTUS) ruled in Rodrigues v. Ray Donovan, "All codes, rules and regulations are applicable to the government authorities only.."

So, in reality, these codes, rules, regulations, policies, and statutes, have no enforceable effect upon us unless we consent to be constrained by them, but they are applicable to the agencies and authorities that would like for us to be constrained. No matter how knowledgeable we may be in all other subjects, if we are not well versed in the Common Law then the pursuits we follow during our lifetimes are but fool's errands, for we can easily lose all that we have gained just for not understanding the law. For example, a police officer may ask you if you understand, after reading you the Miranda rights, or a judge may explain something and ask if you understand. This seems like a straightforward and simple question, but in reality what they are really asking is whether or not you agree to stand under their authority - in other words, do you consent to allow them to have authority over you. You give that consent by answering "yes." A better answer, and one that protects your rights under Common Law, would be to say, "If you are asking whether or not I consent to being arrested, charged, or judged under any codes, rules, regulations, policies, or statutes, or whether or not I consent and agree to grant you authority over me in matters related to said codes, rules, regulations, policies, or statutes, then my answer is an emphatic no!" You would then cite the above court rulings, and if the officer or judge fails to release you then you have a solid case for appeal, as any court of appeal must accept a higher case law ruling. Of course you could be legally arrested, charged, and judged in a "court of record," if you have done something that is a violation of the Common Law, and for that to be applicable there must be an "injured" party. What "injured" means is that whatever you did would have had to cause someone else a degree of actual suffering, damage, or loss. And under Common Law, a court does not have the authority to claim the state is the injured party because the state cannot be judge and prosecutor. In addition, under Common Law an officer cannot be a witness.

Let's consider an example, and suppose that you are fishing without a fishing license. According to the game warden who comes along and writes you a citation, you have violated the fishing rules and regulations that were adopted by your state legislature. He says you have broken those "laws" and your options are to pay the mandated fine amount by sending payment to the address noted on the citation, or to appear in District Court, on the date specified in the citation, if you want to contest the citation. He asks you if you "understand," and you then recite the answer noted above. The warden will probably look at you in bemusement, because he has been trained to believe that the fishing rules and regulations are laws, and that he has the authority to enforce those laws, but neither of those beliefs are true. They are, in actual law, what is referred to as a fiction, and only have the "color of law," meaning that while they may have the appearance of being laws, they actually are not. So you go to court on the date stipulated, and the judge first tells you what you have been charged with and then asks if you "understand." You answer the same way as you answered the warden, you cite case law (Self v. Rhay) as the reason why you have answered thusly, and demand that the charges be immediately dismissed "without prejudice." If the judge has at least half a brain then the judge will do so. The judge may attempt to persuade you by saying that fishing, in your state, is a privilege, not a right, and available only to those individuals who have purchased a valid fishing license. You have already made your case sufficiently, but could also cite other case law which rebukes the judges argument. Specifically, you could cite Sherar v. Cullen, which says that, "For a crime to exist, there must be an injured party. There can be no sanction or penalty imposed because of this exercise of Constitutional rights." As noted earlier, the state cannot claim to be the injured party, and no one else has been injured by your activity, unless you snagged someone in the neck while casting your line. In addition, you could also cite Bennet v. Boggs, which says that, "Statutes that violate the plain and obvious principles of common right and common reason are null and void." Finally, you could say that there was a time, in your state, when one was not required to have a fishing license in order to fish, and ask the judge if this is not so, and the judge would have to agree that this was true. At this point you would say that, indeed fishing was once considered a liberty that could freely be exercised by anyone without penalty, and you would then cite Shuttlesworth v. Birmingham, which says, "If a state converts a liberty into a privilege, the citizen can engage in the right with impunity." You then again demand that the judge dismiss the case against you without prejudice, and if the judge attempts to fault your reasoning, tries to intimidate you, orders you to pay a fine, charges you with contempt of court, and/or has you arrested or otherwise detained, you then have a rock solid case for appeal.

Note: In the case Shuttlesworth v. Birmingham, the word "citizen" is defined as meaning a citizen of a state, not a US citizen. The People are citizens of their respective states, not of the Corporation United States as claimed in the unconstitutional 14th Amendment.
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