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Old 10-01-2013, 03:55 PM
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Quotable quotes of the day....

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They [political parties] serve to organize factions…to put in the place of the delegated will of the nation the will of the party, often a small but artful and enterprising minority…Let me… warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirity of party…The alternate domination of one faction over another, shapened by the spirit of revenge…has perpetrated the most horrid enormities…It [the contention between the parties] serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. (from George Washington’s Farewell Address)
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In questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution. - Thomas Jefferson
These Founders knew full well that, as stated by historian and moralist Baron Acton in 1887,
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"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."
By the word "Great," Acton was not implying that such men truly are great men, but rather that such men are recognized, with a place in history texts, for their position of power and authority. Such men conveniently forget that the true purpose of their role is to humbly serve the true interests of the people - not to burden the People and beat them into submission.
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It is amazing how 'prophetic' the founding fathers were; the perils of having political parties only being ONE example. Unfortunately, despite their best efforts, 'we' seem to have succumbed to all the things they TRIED to guard against. The big weakness in the system SEEMS to be a reliance on 'the people' as the ultimate check; even IF this is a result of TPTB operating nefariously behind the scenes, 'WE', collectively, allowed this to happen.

So, has the system been 'corrupted', or was there an inherent weaknesss designed into the system, at the outset; this reliance on 'the people' and their 'collective wisdom', at the outset?

If someone falls 'victim' to one of these con e-mails from Africa, YES; the 'con artist' definetly bears responsibility for deliberately defrauding the victim.But, doesn't the victim bear SOME responsibility, for being greedy and expecting 'something for nothing'?

Our 'Representatives' have given us what we want; more and more Gov't services, while 'keeping taxes low'; what 'we' collectively want, which is something for nothing.

Gov't taking more and more responsibility for our lives, (if something bad happens), 'protecting' us from everything from foriegn threats to economic downturns, while (seeming to ) 'maintain' our liberties; again, we are 'expecting' something for nothing.

And yet, we STILL 'give' the incumbents an overwhelming advantage. In fact, the Tea Party is more of a threat to incumbency, than the opposing party, which is why neither party really likes or wants them; the very idea scares career Politicians, cause it might 'catch on'.

And, if 'organised' political parties are the problem, or a part of the problem, than having another one isn't the solution.

And yet, there is NO WAY 'we' are going to abolish the political parties, at this juncture. This is yet another 'problem' WE created for ourselves, and for which there really is no 'do-able' solution.Jim
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Old 10-01-2013, 08:55 PM
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An organization named Rethink911.org is making great headway towards educating the public that World Trade Center Building 7 fell on 9/11/2001 despite the fact that it was not hit by a plane and only suffered minor fire damage. When questioned, most people will say that they never realized that a third skyscraper building fell. Everyone knows that the twin towers both fell, but relatively few know about building 7. And far fewer understand the facts that there was definite foreknowledge it would fall, that it's fall was definitely a classic example of controlled demolition, and that over 2,000 architects and engineers say so. Rethink911.org has focused their educational efforts in several large cities, both in the US and Canada, and is using advertisement placards posted on top of taxicabs in Chicago, on the inside and outside of transit buses in Ottawa, and on billboards in several other cities. There is even a 54 foot high billboard posted in New York's Times Square. I applaud and support this great effort at waking people up.

The placards and billboards all read, "Did you know a 3rd tower fell on 9/11?"

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Old 10-01-2013, 10:08 PM
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Another quotable quote for the day....

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"Let it not be said that we did nothing. Let not those who love the power of the welfare/warfare state label the dissenters of authoritarianism as unpatriotic or uncaring.” - Ron Paul
There is so much media hype over the government shutdown, and the labeling of the House TEA Party caucus as "anarchists" who bear the fault for causing the shutdown of non-essential services. By definition alone, a non-essential government employee should not even have the job they are in, and quite likely the agency they work for is also non-essential agency that shouldn't exist.

Word is now that top Republicans are worrying about public backlash from all the media hype, and are thinking of further compromise. That would be a huge mistake. Instead of further compromising each time the Senate sends them a reworded demand, they should tack on something of significance to their original aim of defunding Obama. Something like also defunding the Department of Education, and then the Department of inJustice. That's the way to play the game - make it increasingly difficult for Congress to say no, and at some point they would have to give in to at least defunding one of the items the House demands. We'll see, after this all plays out, who the cowards and traitors are. We already know who they are in the Senate, and the TEA Party has vowed to go all out in finding and supporting candidates to oppose those traitors in 2014 primaries. The same will go for the House traitors who cave to Senate demands.
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I both 'get it', and don't get it; it sems obvious to me, even going by lamestream media coverage, that O'bummer and Reid are the ones who are being intransigent, and refusing to compromise. So how is it that Repubs are getting the 'blame' for the Gov't shutdown?
Why isn't it Reid and O'bummer who are getting the 'blame'?

Because of 'spin', and liberal bias of the media. I know this, but it doesn't make sense. Oh, sorry, we're talking POLITICS here, and I was talking about making SENSE? Whats wrong with me???

IF the 'majority' of the american sheeple are really 'discusted' with Congress, and D.C. politics, they SHOULD reflect that in the next 2 Congressional elections, by voting out ALL 'incumbents', but they won't.

Wouldn't it be great to see a true clean sweeping out of Congress, and ALL new members? Won't happen, tho such a change would most likely mean MORE 'tea party' members, overall. May not be the same ones, but greater #'s, I suspect.Jim
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So how is it that Repubs are getting the 'blame' for the Gov't shutdown?
Why isn't it Reid and O'bummer who are getting the 'blame'?

Because of 'spin', and liberal bias of the media.
Of course. But then this has all been played out before with social security. If this game plan worked before why not use it again.

Social Security Cards up until the 1980s expressly stated the number and
card were not to be used for identification purposes. Since nearly everyone in the
United States now has a number, it became convenient to use it anyway and the
message, NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION, was removed.

An old Social Security card with the "NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION" message.
Our Social Security
Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced the Social Security (FICA) Program. He promised:
1.) That participation in the Program would be Completely voluntary,

No longer Voluntary
2.) That the participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400 of their annual
Incomes into the Program,

Now 7.65% on the first $106,000
3.) That the money the participants elected to put into the Program would be deductible from their income for tax purposes each year,

No longer tax deductible
4.) That the money the participants put into the independent 'Trust Fund ‘rather than into the general operating fund, and therefore, would only be used to fund the Social Security
Retirement Program, and no other Government program, and,

Under Johnson the money was moved to
The General Fund and Spent
5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxedas income.

Under Clinton & Gore
Up to 85% of your Social Security can be Taxed

Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and are now receiving a Social Security check every month -- and then finding that we are getting taxed on 85% of the money we paid to the Federal government to 'put away' -- you may be interested in the following:
Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from the independent 'Trust Fund' and put it into the general fund so that Congress could spend it?
A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the democratically controlled House and Senate.
Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?

A: The Democratic Party.
Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social Security annuities?
A: The Democratic Party, with Al Gore casting the 'tie-breaking' deciding vote as President of the Senate, while he was Vice President of the US
Q: Which Political Party decided to start giving annuity payments to immigrants?
AND MY FAVORITE:
A: That's right!

Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Party. Immigrants moved into this country, and at age 65, began to receive Social Security payments! The Democratic Party gave these payments to them, even though they never paid a dime into it!

Then, after violating the original contract (FICA), the Democrats turn around and tell you that the Republicans want to take your Social Security away!
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Old 10-03-2013, 04:27 AM
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The Most Holy Francis issued an Apostolic Letter on July 11 and effective 1 September 2013 that effectively strips away the immunity of all judges, attorneys, government officials and all entities established under the Roman Curia. Note: All corporations are established under the Roman Curia. All of these "persons" can now be held accountable for war crimes, crimes against humanity, for the unlawful restrictions of the liberties of the divine spirit incarnate (note: divine spirit embodies humanity); and for failure to settle the accounts and for continued prosecution of claims already settled, and so on...

One People's Public Trust ~ Elucidated: The Pope's 11 July 2013 Decree - Comes Into Effect 1 September 2013

12. Social Security is NOT insurance nor is it a binding contract. Nor is there a “Trust Fund”.
Source: Helvering v. Davis, 301 U.S. 619
Steward Co. v. Davis, 301 U.S. 548
13. Your Social Security check comes directly from the International Monetary Fund (IMF) which is a “for profit corporate agency” of the United Nations. Examine one SS Check: top-left should be written ‘United States Treasury
see 2-4 above.
19. Britain is owned by the Vatican.
Source: Treaty of 1213
20. The Pope can therefore abolish any law in the United States.
Source: Elements of Ecclesiastical Law Vol. 1, 53-54
21. A 1040 Form is for Tribute paid to Britain.
Source: IRS Publication 6209
Top 30 Hidden FACTS about “America” | The Story Behind The Story

Queen Elizabeth controls and has amended U.S. Social Security, as follows: S.I. 1997 NO.1778 The Social Security (United States of America) Order 1997 Made 22nd of July 1997 coming into force 1st September 1997.

Now turn to the "The Shetars Effect on English Law" -- A Law of the Jews Becomes the Law of the Land, found in "The George Town Law Journal, Vol 71: pages 1179-1200." It is clearly stated in the Law Review that the Jews are the property of the Norman and Anglo-Saxon Kings. It also explains that the Talmud is the law of the land. It explains how the Babylonian Talmud became the law of the land, which is now known as the Uniform Commercial Code which is private international law. The written credit agreement -- the Jewish shetar is a lien on all of the property in the world. The treatise also explains that the Jews are owned by Great Britain and that the Jews are in charge of the Baking system.
The Ultimate Delusion: by Stephen Ames

Former World Bank Attorney, Karen Hudes, Interviews with Greg Hunter where she discloses many interesting things by following the money. Notably that the IRS is being used to funnel money to the Vatican (Jesuits). She confirms Vatican's Jesuits are in bed with "governments" (now owned by banks) who promote fake terrorism news to manipulate you. She has an extensive resume and blog available at kahudes
Karen Hudes (World Bank): "IRS collects your taxes and gives it to the Vatican" "Syria actors" - YouTube

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These people

they are interviewing and polling, that are so 'upset'about the Gov't shutdown. I'd like to ask them "O.K., so are you going to make a firm resolution, that from now on, regrdless of party, or any other considerations, you are going to vote the incumbent out, in congressional elections?

And, do you honestly think most of your fellow voters are going to do the same? If either answer is "no", then shut the f*ck up, cause if you keep electing these idiots to 'represent' you, than what does that make you?

Really would like to see all ballots have a place for each 'office', to check "None Of The Above". Would LOVE to see an election where NOTA gets MORE votes than any candidate!

Would also like to see several elections in a row, where all incumbents lose. But, of coarse won't happen, cause the people will continue to vote for keeping these idiots in. So, what does that make 'us'?Jim
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Really would like to see all ballots have a place for each 'office', to check "None Of The Above". Would LOVE to see an election where NOTA gets MORE votes than any candidate!

Would also like to see several elections in a row, where all incumbents lose. But, of course that won't happen, because the people will continue to vote for keeping these idiots in. So, what does that make 'us'?Jim
It makes us wonder how anyone can be so unbelievably stupid enough to vote for re-seating these NWO puppet incumbents.
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Word is circulating that several "moderate" House Republicans are about to go turncoat and side with Demonrats in the matter of defunding or delaying ObummerCare.

Here is the list of the House Republican traitors, and how to contact them. Be polite, and let's not call them scumbags or whatever, but let them know in no uncertain terms that we aren't going to forgive or forget such actions, and that we demand they stand strong with the People and their party against ObummerCare:

Rep Lou Barletta: TWEET @RepLouBarletta THEN CALL 202-225-6511

Rep. Charlie Dent: TWEET @dentpressshop THEN CALL 202-225-6411

Rep. Patrick Meehan: TWEET @RepMeehan THEN CALL 202-225-2011

Rep. Randy Forbes: TWEET @Randy_Forbes THEN CALL 202-225-6365

Rep. Frank Wolf: TWEET @RepWolfPress THEN CALL 202-225-5136

Rep. Frank LoBiondo: TWEET @LoBiondo2012 THEN CALL 202-225-6572

Rep. Jon Runyon: TWEET @RepJonRunyon THEN CALL 202-225-4765

Rep. Michael Grimm: TWEET @RepMichaelGrimm THEN CALL 202-225-3371

Rep. Peter King: TWEET @RepPeteKing THEN CALL 202-225-7896

Rep. Devin Nunes: TWEET @Rep_DevinNunes THEN CALL 202-225-2523

Rep. Michael Fitzpatrick: TWEET @RepFitzpatrick THEN CALL 202-225-4276

Rep. Scott Rigell: TWEET @RepScottRigell THEN CALL 202-225-4215

Rep. Erik Paulsen: TWEET @RepErikPaulsen THEN CALL 202-225-2871

Rep. Rob Wittman: TWEET @RobWittman THEN CALL 202-225-4261



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Old 10-03-2013, 09:58 PM
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The Obama administration and the US Senate (Dirty Harry Reid, in particular) have a strategy aimed at teeing off the public in hopes that the public will force the House to cave in on efforts to kill or delay ObummerCare.
Their strategy is to make as many people as possible ticked off about the current shutdowns and blame Republicans for these events.

A prime example is the shutting down of national parks. It makes no sense whatsoever to be shutting these areas down, because the people who visit these parks pay an admission fee which more than covers the cost of park operations, including pay of personnel employed at these parks. What's even more insane than simply closing the parks and sending employees home, is the hiring of guards to enforce the park shutdowns by erecting barriers, patrolling the grounds, and posting guards at all entrance and exit points, thereby costing taxpayer dollars rather than realizing any savings. Obviously the administration knew this would be the outcome, and that all it would accomplish is making people angry.

Here in Maine there are a great many parks open to the public, and thankfully most are state parks. We also have 8 National Wildlife Refuges normally open to the public, and world famous Acadia National Park near Bar Harbor. Acadia National Park has been closed, and folks who were inside and hiking, biking, horse riding, or camping out, were told they had to leave. You can bet that ticked off a lot of folks, because this is Acadia Park's busiest time of year due to the masses of people who visit to view the spectacular foliage which is currently about to reach its peak coloration. Besides the multitude of passenger cars normally entering the park each day at an admission fee of $20 per vehicle, there are a great many tour buses arriving. There are also about 3,000 passengers a day arriving on cruise ships where the main attraction is visiting Acadia Park. You can easily imagine how much income is lost at Acadia Park due to the shutdown, and that's just the beginning of the actual cost because scores of businesses in Bar Harbor, Winter Harbor, and other towns surrounding Acadia Park will suffer tremendously. And for what? All because of an unwarranted shutdown that will end up costing far more in lost federal government, state government, and business incomes than any savings realized from shutting the park down.

Multiply that by the total number of heavily visited national parks and monuments across the nation, and you see it affects a great many people who will have a lot of bad stuff to say about these shutdowns, and whoever they blame for causing this to happen. While we can easily see through it, and understand why Barry's administration employed this tactic, I just wonder how many of those who were affected really understand what's going on. One reason why the tactic may backfire, though, is that nearly all the folks who visit these national parks are hard working blue collar types who work hard, pay their taxes, and save to go on such outings. The throngs of Obummer supporters who fall into the category of welfare recipients are not your typical park visitors.

By the way, did you hear how World War II veterans arriving on tour buses and planning to visit the World War II Memorial at the National Mall in Washington were faced with barricades erected to stop them from entering their open-air memorial site? These are old-timers, of course, with most being in their 90's, and this is probably going to be their last opportunity to visit the memorial that was erected in their honor. Well, these old veterans didn't care for the barricades that were put up to keep them out, so they knocked them down, stormed the site, and took over the grounds.
Incredibly, instead of expressing regret for setting up the barricades, the administration had them put up again for veterans arriving the next day, but again this did not stop the veterans from doing what they came for.
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Their strategy is to make as many people as possible ticked off about the current shutdowns and blame Republicans for these events.
Ah so very true.

But what about those veterans they wouldn’t take no for an answer and stormed the barricades.

And of course you noticed that they were not forcibly evicted from the site. I guess that our illustrious leaders are just smart enough to realize that would probably not provide the public outcry that they are looking for.
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Quotable quotes of the day....

“The gentleman from California said the shutdown was hurting the towns around Yosemite. Was he thinking about that when he voted to shut down the government? He was prepared to sacrifice the local economy. He was prepared to sacrifice the towns around Yosemite when he was on the jihad against American citizens getting access to health care.” -
Rep. George Miller, D-Calif., on the floor of the House.

“When I was in school I studied government. I learned about the anarchists. They were different … they were anarchists because they were against government at any level…. They did not believe in government. The tea party doesn't say, 'we’re against government,' but that’s what it amounts to.” Senate majority leader Dirty Harry Reid

“I call them [the TEA Party] legislative arsonists. They’re there to burn down what we should be building up.” - House minority leader Nancy Pelosi

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“The gentleman from California said the shutdown was hurting the towns around Yosemite. Was he thinking about that when he voted to shut down the government? He was prepared to sacrifice the local economy. He was prepared to sacrifice the towns around Yosemite when he was on the jihad against American citizens getting access to health care.” -
Rep. George Miller, D-Calif., on the floor of the House.

“When I was in school I studied government. I learned about the anarchists. They were different … they were anarchists because they were against government at any level…. They did not believe in government. The tea party doesn't say, 'we’re against government,' but that’s what it amounts to.” Senate majority leader Dirty Harry Reid

“I call them [the TEA Party] legislative arsonists. They’re there to burn down what we should be building up.” - House minority leader Nancy Pelosi

(5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that—


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If you dont want BIG government your a terrorist now? That is hate-speech plain and simple. Only democrats passed Obamacare and now they are "shocked" Republicans want to defund it.

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Their strategy is to make as many people as possible ticked off about the current shutdowns and blame Republicans for these events.
Remember when Obama shut down the white house for the Sequestration.
School kids couldnt even visit.

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Without insurance, you’d also face a double whammy. By 2016 you’d be forking over almost $700 to the federal government and having nothing to show for it, and still have to pay your own medical bills if you’re injured or become ill.
....Wow...Seems like the system we have always HAD...
(Except you didnt have to pay the government)

I will do everything I can to help Obamacare crash and burn.
We needed real healthcare reform without BIG government involved.
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A lot of people

DON'T really realise whats going on.
If you say to these whiners/complainers, what we need is Representatives who are going to go to Washington to DO what their voters elected them to do; who aren't going to 'play the gme', and vote for legislation only if they get their share of 'pork', or in exchange for assignment to commitees, people who aren't intending to make it a career, who are 'new', and don't know or care about doing things 'the way they have always been done', who aren't going to do what their party TELLS them to, many would say "Yes, thats EXACTLY what we need."
And then would get REAL p*ssed off, when you pointed out to them thats EXACTLY what these Tea party Republicans ARE!

To those who complain that Congress is acting like a 'bunch of spoiled brats', I say "Well then, they are doing a very GOOD job of representing their constituencies, aren't they?"

We, collectively, for many years, have been telling our representatives that we want more and more Gov't services, with lower and lower taxes.In other words, we want the candy, but DON'T want to do our chores! And Congress has been like the 'permissive' parent, who indulges and 'spoils' their kid. And no one has less respect for such a parent, than their own kid!
The Tea Party is advocating a 'Tough Love' approach, and being villified for it.
I wonder how many of those who are saying Congess is acting like a bunch of 'spoiled children' realise THEY, in fact, sound just like 'spoiled children' who have been told they CAN'T have desert, unless they eat their vegetables?Jim
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O'bummercare quashes REAL healtchcare reform

Firstly, there is 'Concierge' healthcare. For those unfamilar, this was a growing movement started by Dr.'s dissatisfied with the standard way of practice.
They DON'T 'accept' health insurance; what you do, (as a patient) is 'sign up' with the practice, which incudes showing them you have a 'catastrophic' healthplan, and paying them a yearly 'membership' fee, (typically, $2500 for an individual, and $3500-$4000 for a family.
Because they don't have 3 or 4 back office gals, constantly filling out Insurance forms, and argueing with insurance companies, and they aren't waiting 3-4 months for (reduced) payments, etc. they have a lower overhead.
In exchange for the 'membership' fee, they offer 'unlimited' care; you can see them every DAY, if you want. They are able to structure their practice so they have enough income to cover their operating costs, and they can spend as much time with a patient as they need, instead of feeling they have to rush, in order to see enough patients per day, so as to be able to cover their costs.
And, it is in the Dr.'s best interests to keep their patients healthy; and practice 'wellness care'. It was/is one viable alternative way of running a healthcare system, (not for everyone, obviously), and I suspect with o'bummercare, is now dead.

Actually, I expored a 'different' way, myself. I called around and found a Dr. who gave a discount for 'self-pay'; since he/she is getting the $ 'up-front', on the day of my appt., (instead of having to wait for the ins.), and has less overhead, less forms, etc. any Dr. SHOULD offer such a discount; any who doesn't is just greedy, and so don't want them being my dr. anyway!
I paid $75 for any visit lasting less than 15 minutes, and $100 if it went over.

I always made sure to pay in CASH, and told the 'office manager' in a loud voice i didn't need a reciept. I got GOOD care, and noticed the Dr. would spend more time with me, than some of his other patients, and would often give me 'samples', for Rx. medications.

It REMINDS the Dr. WHO he's working for; ME. And (I figure) when the office manager tells the Dr. "We're going to have to make a deposit; Mr. "X" paid in cash.",..the Dr. may well say "Oh, just give it to me, i'll take care of it." (And 'screw you, I.R.S.!) LOL

Back when I was doing this, I COULD have gotten insurance coverage, at $140/month (plus co-pays). Instead I paid for 4 office visits/year, so $300/year vs. $1680/year.No 'contest', really.
And, I had/have a 'catastrophic' health ins., in case i had anything which required hospitilisation.
Anyway, its AN alternative most people never think of, and will also be an option not available, because of O'bummercare.(actually, even with the fine, it still may be cheaper).Jim
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During his 1956 presidential campaign, a woman called out to Adlai Stevenson: "Senator, you have the vote of every thinking person!" Stevenson called back: "That's not enough, madam, we need a majority!"

Fifty seven years later, and Adlai's words still ring true. The majority of voters are uninformed voters, not thinking people. So what will happen in 2014? Well, if we can get that far then the majority will vote based on feelings and instincts rather than an informed decision. I believe that the Democrat hierarchy sees the TEA Party as a huge potential threat in 2014, and that this is why they are attempting to vilify TEA Party politicians at every opportunity. They, and the media, hope to drive home the idea to the public that everything wrong with government is the fault of the TEA Party. There's a good chance they will succeed in that endeavor unless the TEA Party begins a campaign concentrated on educating and informing the public, and that campaign would, by necessity, have to be equally as aggressive, well funded, and noticeable, as the Democrat/MSM campaign. Of course that's a really tall order, and therefore is likely impossible.

In 2010 the TEA Party strategy was to run TEA Party candidates against Republican incumbents, and if that same strategy is used in 2014 they can easily win quite a few seats if they educate the People to the fact that those seats are currently held by RINOS and traitors. But it will take more than just winning those seats. Infiltrating the Republican party is not enough. To go for a majority of the vote, TEA Party candidates should also run in Democrat primaries. Several Democrats presented themselves as TEA Party candidates in 2010 and 2012, so there is no reason why candidates with TEA Party ideals could not run as Democrats.

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California has passed and signed into law a bill now known as the "California Liberty Preservation Act,” which nullifies sections 1021 and 1022 of the NDAA; the bill states:
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"This bill would prohibit an agency in the State of California, a political subdivision of this state, an employee of an agency or a political subdivision of this state, as specified, or a member of the California National Guard, on official state duty, from knowingly aiding an agency of the Armed Forces of the United States in any investigation, prosecution, or detention of a person within California pursuant to (1) Sections 1021 and 1022 of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 (NDAA), (2) the federal law known as the Authorization for Use of Military Force, enacted in 2001, or (3) any other federal law, except as specified, if the state agency, political subdivision, employee, or member of the California National Guard would violate the United States Constitution, the California Constitution, or any law of this state by providing that aid. The bill would also prohibit local entities from knowingly using state funds and funds allocated by the state to those local entities on and after January 1, 2013, to engage in any activity that aids an agency of the Armed Forces of the United States in the detention of any person within California for purposes of implementing Sections 1021 and 1022 of the NDAA or the federal law known as the Authorization for Use of Military Force , if that activity would violate the United States Constitution, the California Constitution, or any law of this state, as specified."
For a state where its people are known to act against and repeal unfair laws, it is amazing to me that Californians chose 35 Democrats to represent them in the US Congress in 2012. They seem to also have a knack for electing state senators and reps who want to pass some truly zany bills, such as the one to be signed into law by Governor Jerry Brown which will allow illegal aliens to obtain driving permits.

Of course there were a large number of establishment Republicans who supported the unconstitutional NDAA, and those who did should be booted out in 2014, hopefully along with the Democrats who supported it.


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Fifty seven years later, and Adlai's words still ring true. The majority of voters are uninformed voters, not thinking people. So what will happen in 2014?

What good fortune for governments that the people don't think ~ Adolf Hitler

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I didn't realise 'Tea Party' candidates ran in democratic primaries, and I suspect MOST people don't realise that. I DO know the 'membership' is comprised of (former) Dems and independents, and not JUST Repubs, although you wouldn';t know THAT, from MSM coverage.

Its not just Dems who are 'scared' of the Tea Party; 'lamestream' Repubs, i.e RINO's are terrified as well, and are happy to go along with 'painting' the tea party as 'zany extremists' as well. These are 'lifelong, carreer' politicians, and don't want to lose primary elections to tea party candidates, of coarse.

This 'tension' in the Repub party has been going on for a long time, between 'mainstream' (sell-outs) and conservative/libertarian group; Goldwater vs. Rockefeller, Reagan vs.Ford. Just as Reagan brought many 'Reagan democrats', seems to me MANY of the things being said by the 'occupy' movement, (remember them?) are VERY similar to things being said by the tea party. For instance, the shared disgust with TARP, and the Wall Street 'Bailout'; this PR campaign your talking about, that the tea party needs to engage in, might bring many former 'occupiers' to their ranks, if they can successfully communicate what the tea party is REALLY 'for', rather than what they are portrayed as being for.

R.P. didn't stand a chance, against the 'lamestream', and the way they rigged the primary results, etc. (with a fully complicit Lamestream media).Wondering if his son will have better success, in 2016? He seems to have more 'appeal' than Cruise. But, in 2016, a bunch of lamestream career Pols', who sat out the 2012 election, will be in the running; Jeb Bush, Christy, etc. And you can bet the full dirty tricks, rig the primaries 'campaign' will be in full swing! Jim
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I think we have a larger than life problem here ..... Oregon as an example has 46.2% public land that's "CONTROLLED" by the Federal Government's US National Forest Service and Bureau of Land Management is now "CLOSED" you can possibly be arrested or even shot for trespassing .... thank you Oregon State Congressional senators Ron Wyden and Jeff Merkley for finally showing how you @?%#&! really care about Oregonians and Americans.

For those legal hunters going onto Federal land "carrying a firearm" your life may be in danger of being classified as a domestic terrorist being shot on sight. Those with the thinking if someday using any Federal Land as a safe haven from a tyrannical government is the LAST place you want to hide on Federal Land.

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Being there's this manufactured Federal Government shut down and the punishment to the American People is by closing down all Government "Home Page" web sites, the black out has verification of talking points made by the bias news media's and elected Democrats on what was actually in the context of bill sent and NOT voted on by the US Senate from the House of Representatives is extremely hard to find unless you know exactly where to go.

Please find the attached (PDF) last amendment bill sent to the Senate on the "Continuing Resolution" funding the Federal Government without the DE-FUNDING of the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) (H.J. Res. 59): keeps the government running at current spending levels; ensures there’s no special treatment for Congress under the president’s health care law; and delays ObamaCare’s individual mandate, providing all Americans with the same relief the president has given big businesses. (Passed 09-30-2013 in the House 228-201)

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For those legal hunters going onto Federal land "carrying a firearm" your life may be in danger of being classified as a domestic terrorist being shot on sight. Those with the thinking if someday using any Federal Land as a safe haven from a tyrannical government is the LAST place you want to hide on Federal Land.
Hi Glen,

Of course we know that the House passed funding legislation specifically to keep all national parks open, but that Dirty Harry Reid refused to go along. Shutting these parks down is crazy, as I mentioned earlier, for the following two reasons:
1. The public pays admission fees and campsite fees to use these parks, and the revenue gained from these activities more than pays the costs of operations and employees.
2. The cost to hire guards to effectively enforce a shutdown, and keep visitors out at these parks, is likely more than the cost of normal operations if the parks are left open.

Besides, who do these authority figures think they are in telling We The People that we must stay out of our parks? The parks belong to the People, collectively, not to any government agency.
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Quotable quote of the day...

We in America do not have government by the majority. We have government by
the majority that participate.” - Thomas Jefferson

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Opinion of the Court

Chief Justice John Marshall concluded that the first 10 amendments to the U.S. Constitution applied only to the federal government. This, he said, was the original intention of the framers of the first 10 amendments. Thus, the 5th Amendment could not be used by Barron to require Baltimore to pay him “just compensation” for taking his property. According to Marshall, the Supreme Court had no jurisdiction in the case, and so it was dismissed.

Significance

This decision legally established the widely held view that the federal Bill of Rights was intended by its framers in 1789 to bind only the federal government. The constitutional issue of this case was settled until passage of the 14th Amendment in 1868, which was designed to limit the powers of state governments in order to protect the rights of individuals. However, the Supreme Court did not begin to use the 14th Amendment to incorporate, or apply, parts of the federal Bill of Rights to state governments until the second quarter of the 20th century, beginning with Gitlow v. New York (1925).


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As you know, the National Park Service closed the National Mall in Washington to visitors, and elderly World War II veterans who had come to Washington on "Honor Flights" to see their memorial were met with park guards and barricades. The same held true for Vietnam veterans who attempted to visit their memorial last Friday. Like the World War II vets, the Vietnam vets were determined to visit their memorial despite the barricades and guards who had been told to keep everyone out. When non-veteran members of the general public followed behind the vets to pay their respects, the park service guards told everyone that they had to leave, and re-erected the barricades.

Yesterday, while the National Mall was still under shutdown orders that kept visitors from entering, a group was seen erecting a stage on the Mall in preparation for a concert and rally. That rally is taking place today with permission and blessings from the Obummer administration and the National Park Service. So why the special treatment for the group holding this rally? Why aren't they too being met with park guards and barricades to keep them out? Well, it is because this is a rally for "immigration reform" being held by illegal immigrants and those who support them.


A spokesperson for the "March For Immigration Reform" group said that the Park Service was allowing the event to take place under the group's rights as granted by the First Amendment. Strange, isn't it, that illegal aliens who are not supposed to be here at all are granted permission to enter a National Park closed to US citizens and exercise First Amendment rights that don't belong to them while these rights are denied to US citizens. Is that wacky or what?

Too bad ICE didn't have the fortitude to stand against this illegal activity and bring in enough buses to deport all the illegals that attended the event. Deportation YES, citizenship NO!
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ObamaCare rollout a joke

Those who supported ObummerCare and eagerly awaited the opportunity to sign up, or check out the rates, on the government's website are now facing the reality that government run healthcare is a joke, and running into countless problems including a website that does not function, inability of human contacts to resolve issues or provide information, and "sticker shock" at seeing what "Affordable Care" is actually going to cost. Barry's administration claimed that 9 million people visited the website during its first 5 days, and that problems encountered were due to the website being overwhelmed by requests to sign up. That is most certainly a lie, as the Wall Street Journal reported that insiders and insurance-industry experts estimated only a few thousand people in the entire nation had signed up for Obamacare in its first six days. Besides, since they estimated that this would insure 30 million people who currently don't have health insurance, they should have figured that millions of people would be signing up and should have been prepared to handle the website traffic at least as well as Facebook, Twitter, Google, Yahoo, and countless other Internet sites are able to. Just goes to show that anything operated by government is doomed to failure and excessive costs, delays, and red tape.

Here are some examples of ObummerCare failures posted by irate customers on the ObummerCare Facebook page:

Frustration

Lance Link: “Why can’t I see rates without giving all my personal info? I just want to compare things. Are the rates so horrible that you can’t just show them?”

Walter Whitfield: “I have been trying to register six times a day for three days. I have never been able to do it successfully. Seriously, you guys had three years to prepare for this. Whoever was in charge of setting this up needs to be looking for a new job.”

Becky McElhaney: “I have wasted countless hours trying to create an account on this site. Something is very wrong that they are not prepared for the website to handle this kind of traffic or whatever the problem is.”

Julie Harmon Thomas: “Good grief. Day 3 of trying and still can’t get on this website. The government KNEW about this thing going live for two years. TWO YEARS! And this is the best they could do? I shudder to think what’s going to happen once they are in control of my health care. They can’t even get their website functioning properly. If my business had rolled out a piece of crap that worked like this I’d be out of business.”

Bobby Boyer: “Healthcare.gov, you need to have a media blast ‘notice’ when all the kinks are worked out. I’ve been trying for a third day now, nonstop, and I’m officially giving up. Inform the masses via TV news outlets when the website is actually function[al], and you really should encourage Washington to expand the cutoff date for enrollment. At this rate, there [are] going to be A LOT of Americans who give up, somewhat like the government has this week!”

Troy Tyson: “You’ve cut the wait times by a third?! I’ve been trying to log in for over two hours! On the rare occasion that I’m able to get as far as logging in at all, it logs me out before it loads anything!”

Sticker shock

Marketa Winfield: “I have been a long-time Obama supporter, but it seems that that the only people who will be able to afford this are those who don’t need it. There is something wrong here, folks.”

Carole Pratt Ri DeCarlo: “I have had my own private policy that I will not be able to afford to keep once the rates triple per the letter I received from Humana. I’m not eligible for ‘affordable’ coverage on the exchange, don’t qualify for subsidy. I am living, documented proof this is system will not work for me. No propaganda here.”

Patti Gray: “So, these ‘free’ mammograms are costing me triple the premium costs, plus a HUGE new deductible and co-pay. Thanks Obamacare!!!”

Cheryll Quail Feather Hart: “Where the heck is the AFFORDABLE part of this???? $17, 000.00 per YEAR to insure my family of 4???? And no help from subsidies because my work offers ME and, yes, only ME, coverage????”

Jenn Tate: “Payments are more than we can afford. Sorry, my family needs to eat and keep a roof over our heads all year, not just at tax refund time.”

Crystal Riggle Deans: “So, I have a family of five and we live 83 percent below the poverty line. We will be charged over $1,000 per month for insurance, and we are looking at $12,700 in out-of-pocket expenses, NOT including premiums. Hahaha, I haven’t even paid my rent this month because we couldn’t afford it. We have no car payments, no cable, no cell phones. We are not on welfare or food stamps.”

Irene Waldron: “My daughter must pay $1,272 a year for an Obamcare policy with a $5,000-a-year deductible plan, or be hounded by the IRS to pay the penalty. She does not have an extra $200 a year, let alone $1,272. What an incredible scam. Obama lied."

Lynn Watson: “I just got a call from a friend in Texas. She is single and 62 years old. The plan she got information on will cost her $450.00 a month with $6,000.00 deductible. This is the silver plan. You call this the affordable health care bill?”

Sha Sha Corbley: “Sticker shock is a huge understatement. We currently pay $1,158 PER MONTH for a personal policy. Closest choice to what we have now but not as good being offered in 2014, will cost us $1,937 PER MONTH, and we don’t qualify for any subsidy!”

Tremendous demand?

William Mittica: “No excuses. You guys should have been more prepared. You’re giving Fox News all the ammunition they need, and you deserve every bit of it.”

Greg Noblin: “There are tons of sites on the web that can handle more ‘demand’ than you can. And those sites didn’t cost $55,000,000 taxpayer dollars to set up.”

Maven Dex: “So let’s recap, the government has computing power to break almost all encryption systems, snoop on your Internet, snoop on your phone … design the Internet, have back doors built into almost all hardware and software available, but can’t support this website because? 2 billion for a super computer facility for the NSA and health coverage sites gets what, used servers? Just an observation.”

Stephen Harris: “Third day. System still down in NJ. I do not believe it is demand. It is a poorly architected[sic] application. If I were the programmers of this, I would be embarrassed. Or they should be fired. Third day and yet still fail????”

Jackie Trapp Price: “Nobody believes you! Facebook and Google can handle multi-millions of people at once, and they don’t have these problems.”

Frank Cormier: “Three days now, and I see the site is still down. Facebook, Google, eBay, Amazon, etc., handle millions of visitors a day. How screwed up is this government? They had years to set this up.”

Tom Peranteau: “Over $300 million spent on their servers/Internet system, and they can’t handle the traffic? Google handles more traffic than they are experiencing every minute!”

Paulin Soleyman: “As someone who’s somewhat technically savvy, I can’t help but ask: If you can’t even manage to maintain your website code, servers, etc., so that the whole system doesn’t crumble under the weight of heavy Internet traffic, how are you to be trusted to be able to keep your website safe from hackers, spammers and identity thieves? To me, all these ‘glitches’ spell nothing but disaster, and I will not trust this site with my personal info.”

Katie Anderson: “I am able to log on just fine. It takes my username and password. However, it takes me to a blank website. It’s white. What I don’t understand is, if you were pretty sure that there would be so many people trying to sign up at once, [wouldn't you think] it would probably shut the site down and people would have problems? Why didn’t you set it up so certain people can sign up on certain days? Like people with the last names beginning with letters A-F can sign up during the weeks of Oct. 1-7 and so on and so on. Don’t you think it would have made things easier for all?”

Sarcasm and outrage

Todd Smith: “This website had a pre-existing condition.”

Larry McLarry: “Can I raise my debt ceiling to pay for this?”

Amy Gobrecht Moffitt: “‘Tremendous demand’? How about revealing how many people have actually signed up??? More like tremendous failure.”

Shana Allen: “It’s funny how they say people are overloading the system ‘cuz it’s so popular, if by popular you mean mandatory. Lol.”

Michael Emerson: “There is NO WAY 7 million were able to access this site. Jay Carney is a liar.”

Todd Smith: “Government forces people to pay a new tax. People click on website to see how much this new tax will cost them. Website crashes in the first hour. Government calls it a huge success.”

Amy Gobrecht Moffitt: “Looks like someone should’ve accepted the plan to delay it.”

Jeff LoBalbo: “I just want to know one thing: How come all of the same people who are saying ‘just be patient’ on the Obamacare website would be screaming their heads off if Google, Amazon or the iTunes store would be down more than an hour. Think this is fun? Wait till they have to see a doctor, or God forbid a life-threatening emergency, if this is any indication.”

Mike Apilado: “Millions of Americans on Facebook, and 200,000 like this page. Reality set in much? Truckers to shut-down D.C. is almost as popular!!”

Dwight F Roberts: “I went ahead and made accounts for Harry Reid and Barack Obama to help them sign up!”


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Lets get this straight; 'failing' to raise the debt limit would throw the worldwide economy into a tailspin. (We are told) this is because the WW economy uses U.S. treasury bills as a 'baseline'; they are concidered to be a -0- risk investment, (cause they have 'always' paid off, when they said they would, and for the return promised).
The 'risk assesmant' of all other 'investments'; currencies, stocks, bonds, mortgages, etc. is BASED on U.S. treasury bonds being -0- risk. But, lets face it, if a CORPORATION, (yes, I KNOW, Rick, you keep telling us the U.S. IS a Corporation!) I mean if ANOTHER Corp. were to run their books the way the U.S. Gov't., does it would get a HORRIBLE rating; no agreed on budget, for what,..4 years now? Future committed expenditures far outweighing future anticipated earnings,....

So, for the US to 'default', by not extending the 'debt' limit, would simply expose that the Emperor has no clothes. But almost everyone seems to prefer ignoring the Naked Emperor, rather than face the 'unpleasent' truth; our whole, world-wide economic system is based on a myth; it starts with the idea that THIS piece of paper I throw in the recycle bin, (trash) but THIS piece of paper, I put in my wallet;

If our elected Representatives are acting like 'spoiled children', than they are doing a REAL good job of representing 'the people' who elected them!

After all, for time out of mind , both in electoral and opinion polls, 'the people' have told our representives we want MORE and MORE Gov't services, but 'keep our taxes low'. Isn't this like the kid who expects to eat his desert, even though he didn't eat his vegetables?
Or wants to go to the zoo, even though he didn't do his chores, and throws a tantrum when he's told "No", you can't!

And so, our elected representatives have, for years, engaged in bookkeeping trickery, 'tapping out' the Social Security 'trust fund', by putting it in the General fund, taking us off the Gold standard, and BORROWING, in order to 'give' us more and more 'things', without having to pay for them.

Commitments to Social Security, Medical care for Vets, Food stamps and all the other 'entitlements' and 'safety net' programs, education, defence, etc. far outstrip our projected income.

And yet, U.S. treasury Bonds are considered to have -0- risk?,....Just becaause they have 'always been good'. Thats just like, prior to 2008, everyone THOUGHT U.S. real estate was a 'sure thing', cause it had only ever increased in value (at least in recent memory).


So, our whole worldwide economic system is based on a myth; isn't it about time to recognise that? How in the *uck is the FED going to let off, on this 'quantitative easing',..gradually? Even if 'they' do agree to raise the debt limit, its just prolonging the inevitable. Its just everyone in the world agreeing the Emporers new outfit looks,...STUNNING!
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