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Old 09-04-2013, 06:55 PM
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You've voiced what I was thinking, regarding putting the ships in so close; another "Tonkin Gulf", as you say, either 'baiting' Assad or 'others' to stage some kind of attack, or faking one as a justification for 'boots on the ground'.

On the vote, I guess it may come down to how many 'tea party' repubs have been corrupted, by their time in D.C. They certainly haven't seemed to accept Boener's 'Leadership' in the past!

Did you see Al Jazeera America just released a (U.S.) Gov't (leaked) report on benghazi, described as 'scathing'? Says they were a 'sitting duck', and that security for many embassies in 'high risk areas', i.e. the middle east, is terrible.

Of coarse, O'bummer admin wouldn't have done anything to downplay this, so as not to let it tarnish O'bummer's 'security credentials', (for having 'gotten' Bin Laden), right before the election!

What am i saying? If O'bummer had lost, we'd have had that clown from Tax-a-chusettes, the "grandfather" of O'bummercare.

What a choice THAT was, huh? Lets see now, do I put my hand in a running garbage disposal, or a 1000 degree hot kiln?

Yeah, there IS an 'old guard' of repubs in D.C.; Boener, McCain, Graham and others, who are just as bad as O'bummer.

We aren't getting REAL 'Representation', and I even have my doubts about people like Rand Paul. After all, one effective way to deal with an insurgency is to co-opt it; look what happen to the 'party' started by whats his name(?); the Billionaire with the big ears; got taken over by another whats his name; former Nixon speachwriter, and his goal was to kill it, plain and simple!

The game is all rigged; you might as well try to guess which shell the pea is under!Jim
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Old 09-06-2013, 12:53 AM
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We aren't getting REAL 'Representation', and I even have my doubts about people like Rand Paul. After all, one effective way to deal with an insurgency is to co-opt it; look what happen to the 'party' started by whats his name(?); the Billionaire with the big ears; got taken over by another whats his name; former Nixon speachwriter, and his goal was to kill it, plain and simple!
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Old 09-06-2013, 02:10 PM
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Quotable quotes of the day....

Near the end of a recent hearing before the Senate Foreign Relations committee, Senator Rand Paul asked Barry's Secretary of State John "swiftboat" Kerry whether the president would abide by Congress' vote, if Congress refuses to authorize Barry's planned military strikes in Syria. Kerry's answer?
"I don't know what the president's decision is, but I'll tell you this... he still has the constitutional authority and he would be in keeping with the Constitution."

Understand That? Sec. Kerry basically said, "Barack Obama doesn't really care WHAT you people in Congress say -- HE gets to decide if we're going to go to war, whether Congress authorizes him to do it or not!" But this exchange didn't stop there:
Rand Paul objected: "If we do not say that the Constitution applies, if we do not say explicitly that we will abide by this vote, you're making a joke of us. You're making us into theater, and so we play constitutional theater for the president. If this is real, you will abide by the verdict of Congress..."

Putting his face in his hand, Kerry said, "Senator, I assure you there is nothing meaningless and there is everything real about what is happening here."

Paul interrupted, "Only if you adhere to what we vote on, only if our vote makes a difference, only if our vote is binding is it meaningful."
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Old 09-06-2013, 03:13 PM
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A thought,...

Those who are rushing/urging 'us' to action in Syria keep saying what a 'TERRIBLE' signal it would be, to the world, if the Congress fails to vote to authorise.
Someone should publicly make the OPPOSITE argument; what a GREAT way to demonstrate to everyone what democracy IS, and how it works; i.e. the 'all-powerful' leader WANTS to attack, but (thru Congress) the American people say no, and he abides by their decision.

Imagine someone in the middle east, who's NEVER lived in anything LIKE a Democracy, seeing THAT! It would be inconcievable to them, and a real eye-opener; so THATS what true democracy is!

IF Congress DOES 'fail to authorise', I can't see him going ahead, anyway.Thats just a little to blatantly ignoring the people, and Congress.

Mind you, we've all been watching him have his attourney General refuse to enforce laws passed by Congress, or argue for them before Scotus, and use executive powers and selective enforcement, etc. to in various ways marginalise Congress and the People, but this, this one I think will bite him in the ass; if Congress votes down authorising force, and he goes ahead anyway, I think he's politciacally screwed.

This IS causing a re-examination of the 'war powers act', which is long overdue, as ther has long been serious questions as to its constitutionality, etc.

Seems like barry has got hinmself in a heck of a pickle, and momentum is going the other way.

It IS surreal; with 'swiftboat kerry' urging us toward war, and France being our only european 'ally' in favor, its nothing short of bizarre!

Polls are showing 90 to 100 to 1, against.The lies and distortions they are telling, to try to justify are getting thick and rediculous. On Lamestream media, saw a congresswoman saying they had been told, in a briefing, that Russia was supplying Syria with chemical weapons, as if THAT was a reason! Hold it Congresswoman! Syria has long been listed as having the largest stockpile of chemical weapons in the world! Why the hell would they need to get any, from russia, when they have more than enough, already you stupid b*tch?!!!
And 'they', as an argument FOR action, are now stating that chem weapons have been used at least 14 times, by Assad, which of coarse leads to "Well, hold it. IF we 'know' he's used them at least 14 times already, why are we making this one attack such a big deal that we have to retaliate??

Marth kraditz(?), recently said the American people ar not only war-weary, we've become war-wise, and it certainly seems so. Barry's trying to push all the old buttons (its in OUR National interests, cause these chemical weapons COULD be used against us, could fall into terrorists hands, etc.) and it just doesn't SEEM to be working! Jim
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Old 09-06-2013, 04:50 PM
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The Syria crisis has certainly been the subject of MSM and political distortions. The last few UK Column programs have covered this in depth and are worth watching in my opinion:

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9/5/13 - On Thursday afternoon, two of Fox News's more outspoken anti-war voices in Judge Andrew Napolitano and Shepard Smith spoke out against what they believe would be a "war crime" if the United States were to militarily intervene in the Syrian civil war, even after a potential congressional rejection vote.

Napolitano also noted for Smith that, technically speaking, "the president can start any war he wants, against anybody he wants for 90 days and nothing congress can do about it" under the War Powers Act. However, he added, that law is unconstitutional.

"So if they do this, we have committed a war crime," Smith asserted.

Napolitano agreed, adding that, in the event we strike Syria, there will be no way of stopping the United States. "No judge is going to stop this; no one is going to prosecute the president," the judge said. "The American people don't want this to happen; our allies in the region don't want this to happen. Who wants this to happen besides John Kerry and the president?"

The judge concluded by suggesting that any president can become "lawless" when they have a powerful military at their disposal. "No one seems to care about the law here," he said. "They just seem to care about politics. Congress lets the president start a war; the president doesn't care what international law says. He wants to be vindicated politically."
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Old 09-07-2013, 04:55 AM
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Those who are rushing/urging 'us' to action in Syria keep saying what a 'TERRIBLE' signal it would be, to the world, if the Congress fails to vote to authorise.
Someone should publicly make the OPPOSITE argument; what a GREAT way to demonstrate to everyone what democracy IS, and how it works; i.e. the 'all-powerful' leader WANTS to attack, but (thru Congress) the American people say no, and he abides by their decision.
Emergency Powers

The Constitution does not expressly grant the President additional powers in times of national emergency. However, many scholars think that the Framers implied these powers because the structural design of the Executive Branch enables it to act faster than the Legislative Branch. Because the Constitution remains silent on the issue, the courts cannot grant the Executive Branch these powers when it tries to wield them. The courts will only recognize a right of the Executive Branch to use emergency powers if Congress has granted such powers to the President.

A claim of emergency powers was at the center of President Abraham Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus without Congressional approval in 1861. Lincoln claimed that the rebellion created an emergency that permitted him the extraordinary power of unilaterally suspending the writ. With Chief Justice Roger Taney sitting as judge, the Federal District Court of Maryland struck down the suspension in Ex Parte Merryman, although Lincoln ignored the order. 17 F. Cas. 144 (1861).
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THE PRESIDENT'S CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY TO CONDUCT MILITARY OPERATIONS AGAINST TERRORISTS AND NATIONS SUPPORTING THEM

The President has broad constitutional power to take military action in response to the terrorist attacks on the United States on September 11, 2001. Congress has acknowledged this inherent executive power in both the War Powers Resolution and the Joint Resolution passed by Congress on September 14, 2001.

The President has constitutional power not only to retaliate against any person, organization, or State suspected of involvement in terrorist attacks on the United States, but also against foreign States suspected of harboring or supporting such organizations.

The President may deploy military force preemptively against terrorist organizations or the States that harbor or support them, whether or not they can be linked to the specific terrorist incidents of September 11.

THE PRESIDENT'S CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY TO CONDUCT MILITARY OPERATIONS AGAINST TERRORISTS AND NATIONS SUPPORTING THEM


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Old 09-07-2013, 07:43 AM
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Soon there will be a nuclear incident in the US so that Obama has an excuse to start nuking the middle east.
But it will be an obvious false flag operation, just like 9/11 and the ones before.
The whole world will see and understand how these false flags are being used to start wars.
China and Russia combined will then permanently terminate the existence of the USA as we know it. Time to learn to speak mandarin, or loose your head in a FEMA camp....
China will take over the US.

It's a done deal. China is holding billions of US$ which are already worthless as the US$ has collapsed a few years ago already. No one sees it yet (no one but my computer program) as the FED is producing US$'s like rabbits. Just to keep the US$ from publicly collapsing before China takes over and you'll be using renminbi.
Thus the obscenely-rich-behind-the-scenes do not loose power while the US$ collapses.
The middle east is also holding large amounts of US$, but in a few years you will ask "what middle east?"

Everyone is fooled.
The sheeple who do not know a thing.
The sheeple who do know a thing or two and see through the false flags.
The sheeple who are members of secret societies, some of which get rich and influential.
The sheeple who are at the top of these societies and churches.
And the few who are actually pulling the strings, who have no one to fool them,... they fool themselves.

It's a strange world that we live in. Very strange indeed!

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Old 09-07-2013, 04:21 PM
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Did you see Al Jazeera America just released a (U.S.) Gov't (leaked) report on benghazi, described as 'scathing'? Says they were a 'sitting duck', and that security for many embassies in 'high risk areas', i.e. the middle east, is terrible.
No, I didn't see the Al Jazeera broadcast, but I don't think it would have been worse than anything we already knew or imagined.

Barry, Kerry, and the MSM are obviously using this false Syria crisis to try and take everyone's mind off Benghazi and the other issues which really are of importance. It's like the "Wizard" of Oz, saying "Don't look there behind the curtain." They are doing everything possible, on a 24/7 basis, to focus attention on Syria, and away from what's behind that curtain. It's "Look over here folks, at Syria. This is what needs your attention, and the only thing you should be concerned about. Forget everything else."
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Old 09-07-2013, 05:09 PM
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Many have ?'s the Constitutional Validity of the W.P.A., but its never (I don't believe) been argued/decided before SCOTUS.

Seems to me the CONGRESS Could, in addition to voting down this current resolution, use its 'power of the purse', to pass a resolution specifically forbidding the executive (O'bummer) from spending any $ to 'finance' any military operations against Syria.
They did that, to close the door (firmly) on O'bummer shutting down Guantanamo, forbidding him from spending any $ to transport or imprison the detainees on U.S. soil.
Personally, I think that if the Congress does NOT vote to authorise him to use military force in Syria, he WON'T site the WPA, and proceed anyway. I also have serious doubts he will be able to persuade many, in his speach on Tuesday; we've heard all the arguments, and they are simply insufficient.
So A), hes really NOT that great at speaches and communicating, and B) he does NOT have that 'good a case', and C) the 'American people' are NOT the Ap of even 5-10 years ago, who are going to blindly 'get behind the President' and support a military action.

May you live in interesting times, indeed! 'Coarse, I could be wrong, but I just don't see him proceeding, if he can't get the A p 'behind' him, and I DON'T see that happening.

He's really handled this in a piss-poor way, all the way along! Jim
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The President has broad constitutional power to take military action in response to the terrorist attacks on the United States on September 11, 2001.
Gee, I wasn’t aware that Syria had attacked us! I must have missed that in the MSM reporting.

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The President may deploy military force preemptively against terrorist organizations or the States that harbor or support them, whether or not they can be linked to the specific terrorist incidents of September 11.
So I guess that explains why after 911 it was OK for us to attack Iraq even thou the terrorists were from Saudi Arabia.
Of course we should not to be concerned about those pesty little details.


I think it is becoming evident that the chemical attack was a false flag event.
Then the other day it was leaked that some of our nuclear weapons were quietly being moved to a South Carolina base, without any accompanying paper work! Followed closely by South Carolina’s senator Lindsay Graham publicly stating if we do not attack Syria then we could expect a nuclear “terrorist attack in South Carolina!"

Watching all these current events unfold it seems pretty obvious to me the PTP are pulling out all the stops to get us into a shooting war. What could they gain by creating this “distraction”? Could it be that they are afraid of something? Could that something be a man named Neil Keenan? He and his group have been for some time now been working to dethrone the PTP. This obviously is no simple task when you are up against a cabal that is used to taking down governments that have offended it.

But a plan was devised and is being implemented and the pieces are now starting to fall into place. Naturally you should not pay any attention to the following link rather you should join with the MSM and Obama and demand an attack on Syria, which could start WWII, which in turn would probably be one way to end most of our current problems.

NEIL KEENAN UPDATE: KEENAN GROUP CLOSES IN ON THE CABAL (2 videos) | 2012: What's the 'real' truth?
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Old 09-08-2013, 04:52 PM
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I THINK you meant WW111, as I believe we already fought WW11, some time ago. My fingers 'mis-speak', all the time, no worries.
We ALL tend to see things as coinfirming our already established beliefs, its human nature. So, many on this forum see current events as confirming their already held belieif that everything is controlled by a cabal of powers that be, etc.
For me this all confirms my belief that it is not so clear cut; their definetly are people who are attracted to, maybe even 'addicted' to power, and who gravitate to Government, etc.
On the other hand, THEY are NOT 'all-seeing, or all-powerful, and are AS Likely to f*ck-up as anyone else; this has been a royal cock-up from day one!

Bush did it better, for Christs sake, and O'bummers difficulty in 'getting the American people' behind him can not ALL be blamed on the A.P. being 'educated' as a result of Bush's actions. O'bummer has been engaged in such a 'hesitation waltze', (unlike Bush; least you can say about Bush is he was decisive!).
Old Law Professor line; "When you have the FACTS on your side, you argue the FACTS, and when you have the LAW on your side, you argue the LAW; if you have neither 'on your side', you BANG your fists on the council table and shout!",...in other words, you appeal to the emotions of the jury.

I don't think O'bummer has the facts or the law on his side, and I don't think he is capable of appealing to the emotions of the American people, either.

And, I really don't believe, if he loses the vote in Congress, that he will proceed anyway, (with military action); I think he may have reached the end of the rope, as far as doing what he wants to, and blowing off both Congress and the A.P. Granted, he and his admin have a long history of such blowing off, but there IS a limit, and I THINK he may have reached it. And, that at least is a GOOD thing! Jim
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Old 09-08-2013, 04:57 PM
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I'm sure that everyone here is familiar with the oft-times hilarious type of "news stories" written by the staff of The Onion. The latest edition features a story titled "Poll: Majority of Americans Approve Of Sending Congress To Syria," which is written in the usual fun-poking manner, and states that more than 90 percent of the American public is convinced that all 535 members of Congress should be put on the ground in Syria. Laughable as the story is, I really wouldn't be surprised to see such a polling result if this question was put before the public as a choice between deploying missiles or deploying Congress.
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And, I really don't believe, if he loses the vote in Congress, that he will proceed anyway, (with military action); I think he may have reached the end of the rope, as far as doing what he wants to, and blowing off both Congress and the A.P. Granted, he and his admin have a long history of such blowing off, but there IS a limit, and I THINK he may have reached it. And, that at least is a GOOD thing! Jim
I agree. At least I certainly hope that he knows there is a limit. However if congress says no and he still decides to go ahead anyway I would not be overly surprised if the military stood up and says no we are not going to do this. Could you imagine all the fun and games that would cause?

However if congress decides to go along with him then by all means those members voting yes should be the first “boots” on the ground. What better way to demonstrate their wholehearted commitment.
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I'm sure that everyone here is familiar with the oft-times hilarious type of "news stories" written by the staff of The Onion. The latest edition features a story titled "Poll: Majority of Americans Approve Of Sending Congress To Syria,"
Published on Sep 2, 2013

Bombshell: Syria's "chemical weapons" turn out to be sodium fluoride,
the same chemical dumped into municipal water supplies across the USA under "water fluoridation" schemes.

Bombshell: Syria's "chemical weapons" turn out to be fluoride - YouTube

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Bombshell: Syria's "chemical weapons" turn out to be sodium fluoride,
the same chemical dumped into municipal water supplies across the USA under "water fluoridation" schemes.

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Wow! Right on! I don’t know if I should laugh or cry, maybe a little of both, but what an excellent example of how our news is spun by the PTP to achieve their goals.
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Once again Putin has bitcched slapped Obama with a huge political move that was just too classic (and too easy).

I bet Obama is still licking his wounds and will be for a while. That’s four times in two months Putin has handed Obama his ass on a plate, the first time being with the Snowden situation and refusing to return Snowden. The second time when against the threats by the Obama Administration Putin granted Snowden asylum. Now this entire Syrian situation Putin once again hands Obama his sissy ass on a plate twice in three days.

I bet Obama’s speech writers are pulling their hair out trying to keep up all the last minute changes in Obama’s speech that he’s suppose to give tonight. I’m sure Obama has forcibly had to re-write his speech from a “why it’s so important the US strike Syria” to now “how democracy and cool heads will prevail as the people speak” type of speech.

Obama and his staff all know he was just handed his ass BIG TIME on the national stage and has been exposed as the weak inexperienced president many people have known him to be all along. I am sure Putin’s poll numbers continue to climb as he looks much more posed as a real professional world leader than that silly fake community organizer who’s own Chicago land couldn’t organize a one car parade much less keep the murder rate down.


Obama is an international embarrassment on the highest level and his failures are multiplying faster than the numbers of attendees at a free welfare handout program.

Good thing that Jimmy Carter is still alive and able to see (and enjoy) history quickly removing his name as the largest political failure of the last century.

At this rate, by the time Obama leaves office, the history books will be rewritten and Obama will go down on record as the largest presidential failure in history of the USA.

In short order I even predict a new term being added to the urban dictionary something along the lines of

Obamisim ; “descriptive term” ; = Something so blindingly full of hope and optimism to heal or fix any situation yet only resulting in a most catastrophic cluster f*ck of failure.
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Tomorrow Congress will vote on the Continuing Resolution to fund government operations, and this is their last chance to completely defund Obamacare. Make your voice heard now!

Note: This petition is aimed at the establishment RINO Republicans in the US Senate, such as McCain, Graham, and Burr, who violated their promise to fight against ObamaCare, and who are now actually working to save it. Senators Mike Lee, Ted Cruz, and Rand Paul are leading an effort to defund ObamaCare, but Burr decried their effort as, "the dumbest idea I've ever heard." Graham said dismantling Obamacare was "a bridge too far," and John McCain says it's a "nonstarter." It's time to let these RINOS know that we're on to them.


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Whereas, Obamacare is destroying our economy and will ruin America's healthcare system;
Whereas, this healthcare takeover is widely unpopular among Republicans, independents, and a growing number of Democrats;
Whereas, this horrible law goes into effect on October 1st;
Whereas, refusing to fund Obamacare in the upcoming spending bill that will keep the government from operating is our best chance to stop this law before October 1;
Therefore, Be it Resolved, that I do hereby demand that Republicans in the United States Senate refuse to continue spending on Obamacare in the upcoming spending bill when the Senate returns from vacation.

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Today, of course, is the 12th anniversary of the 9/11/2001 events. It seems that every mainstream media TV station is putting on their 9/11 special programming, which will no doubt dominate the airwaves for the day. The main focus will be individual people stories, since that is what people can best relate to on an emotional level. Very noticeably absent from all of this will be any investigative news reports to delve into what really happened on 9/11. Instead, anyone watching will simply have their spoon fed notions about the "official" 9/11 story reintroduced and reinforced by the media.

There is so much compelling evidence to refute the "official" story that a real and independent investigation is certainly called for, but I doubt we will ever see that happen other than in 9/11 Truth circles. And of course the groups in those circles will always be condemned as tin hat conspiracy theorists by those who are either unwilling to seek the truth, or who know the truth and don't want it known by others.

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On O'bummercare; I agree the 'old guard', RINO Repubs such as Graham and McCain have discredited themselves with their 'support' of O'bummercare, (as well as positions on Sria, etc. I think they are probably right on defunding O'bummercare. Its going to defund itself; if enough young healthy people decide its preferable to pay the fine, that buy insurnce they can't afford, and don't think they need, and SOME 'older' Americans make the same decision, and many companies make a similar decision, i.e. pay the 'fine' (oh, but its NOT a fine,...er,. well its a tax, er,...well SORT of!) anyway, it was never intended that O'bummercare would be funded from these fines, they were just viewed as a way to force people to sign up. The whole system can't work, UNLESS companies AND individuals, pretty much ALL, comply. So, the American people, or at least a significant enough portion of them, are going to 'vote' to de-fund O'bummercare, with their feet, (or wallets).
Yes, its true, the fine starts at $95/year, OR 1% of annual income, and increases, but these 'young healthy people who are the most resistant to signing up are mostly making low wages, and will look at cost of insurance premiums vs. fine and decide NOT to sign up. After all, youngsters are more prone to taking risks, and thinking they are invulnerable.
In short, WE, the people, (I THINK) WILL defund O'bummercare, without the B.S. of going thru the Congress.

On Syria, what a royal cock-up! He convinced no one, and no one believes this was intentional; his incompetence is there, for all to see. Amusing to see his spokespersons making public statements that the U.N. is 'worthless', and a 'toothless tiger', something conservatives have been saying for years.

And yeah, 5150, I visualise Putin saying to O'bummer, "O.K., a**hole, now you owe me, bigtime, for pulling your ass out of the fire, on Syria.

No one is fooled by Reid suspending plans to vote, 'due to the diplomatic efforts'; if you HAVE the votes, you vote. He didn't have the votes, and if this Putin thing didn't come up, he would have had egg all over his face, instead of now, where he's only got it over 1/2 his face!

5150; do you think the A.P. will put it togewther, that Carter was the most liberal President, in recent time, until O'bummer? i.e. Liberal= poor, innefective President? When will we ever learn, when will we ever learn?Jim
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The whole [ObummerCare] system can't work, UNLESS companies AND individuals, pretty much ALL, comply. So, the American people, or at least a significant enough portion of them, are going to 'vote' to de-fund O'bummercare, with their feet, (or wallets).
Yes, its true, the fine starts at $95/year, OR 1% of annual income, and increases, but these 'young healthy people who are the most resistant to signing up are mostly making low wages, and will look at cost of insurance premiums vs. fine and decide NOT to sign up. After all, youngsters are more prone to taking risks, and thinking they are invulnerable.
In short, WE, the people, (I THINK) WILL defund O'bummercare, without the B.S. of going thru the Congress.
Don't forget, Jim, that the fine for failing to comply with the order to buy insurance is just that - a fine. And as in all other tax matters, when you fail to pay the tax (in his case buy the insurance which is said to be a tax) you not only pay a fine for that failure but also still owe the tax. When people who think they are escaping that tax by paying a smaller fine start finding out what the reality is, there will be a lot of moaning and weeping.

The best, and quite possibly only hope of eliminating ObummerCare is the current effort spearheaded by Mike Lee, Ted Cruz, and Rand Paul to defund its implementation. In regards to that effort, I have been told that the petition has succeeded in waking up the GOP. Problem is, though, John Boehner is scheming with establishment House Republicans to make it look like they are on our side when in fact they plan to defeat the TEA party effort. It is said that Boehners scheme involves allowing the House to vote to defund Obummercare, but then having a separate vote on the Continuing Resolution (CR) to fund government. Then both bills would go before the Senate, where "Dirty Harry" Reid would arrange a vote against the defunding measure while voting to approve the Continuing Resolution. Thus, it would appear that the House tried to do what they could do but was defeated by the Senate's refusal to comply, and the CR would go straight to Barry's desk for his signature and "business as usual." Folks need to realize what is going on and demand that the House leadership not bring a separate CR up for vote. Folks also need to demand that their representatives vote against any and all proposals for a CR which do not explicitly require defunding of ObummerCare. If we don't get enough people to do this then we are going to be stuck with Obummercare for years to come. It's as simple as that.
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If we don't get enough people to do this then we are going to be stuck with Obummercare for years to come. It's as simple as that.
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like in voting it doesn't matter how many people show up and vote or who they vote for it's all rigged and the people never get what they voted on.

You could have 20 million people march on DC to defund Obama care and it would still get funded

I am sure the people will be stuck with Obama care for a long time and even though many companies and individuals are already seeing how destructive the Obama care bill really is their only recourse is not to participate.

I am one that will refuse to buy into it no matter how much they levy or tax me and even the fines I will refuse to pay. Lock me up and spend more tax payer money but then I will get free healthcare in jail.

Both sides Democratic and Republican have sold the people out and DO NOT serve the public's best interest. The entire government is a cluster f8ck beyond comprehension
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Good news for today....

Today the House vote on defunding ObummerCare was delayed until next week. Republican House leadership was forced to postpone the vote because of the overwhelming conservative backlash against it! More and more conservative Representatives are making it clear that they will not vote on any Continuing Resolution to fund government that funds Obamacare, or allows the Senate to. No doubt the delay was set to next week to allow time for some heavy arm twisting of those who stand in the way of defeating the defunding proposal. And when arm twisting doesn't work, you can bet that some sweet deals will be offered which will be tough to refuse by anyone other than a true patriot. While it looks as though our own form of arm twisting, through angry petitions, was successful in getting the attention of our Representatives and causing the delay, this certainly isn't the time to count this as a victory of any kind. Instead, we need to hammer home to our Reps the realization that a defeat of the defunding effort is not acceptable and will ensure their unseating in the 2014 election. In other words, we need to make it clear that a vote against defunding, or a vote for a concurrent Continuing Resolution allowing the Senate to save ObummerCare, is a vote against freedom, and against We The People.
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Good point, Rick, its not JUST the 'fine', but the penalty for failing to pay the fine.
The assumption I've been hearing is that once the unnaffordable care act is 'rolled out', and it becomes an 'entitlement', there will be a significant % of the population that will 'like' it, and so it will be 'too popular' to undue; I'm not convinced, tho.

Perhaps I'm naive, or my opinion is 'colored' by my own opinion, but I just don't see it as ever being popular, and the more people experience it, (I think) the LESS popular it wil be.

Still, in this battle over the Repub party, I'm FOR Paul, tc. and against the 'establishment' pols like McCain and Graham, just not sure in the long run it will make much difference. Every time 'they' are beaten down, they seem to find a way. It mut be those 'powers that be', behind the scenes, that your always talking about. Just waiting for the whole thing to finally blow up, and get it over with!

In the meantime, I'm trying to get my life in order, so I can have a good seat, to watch! Jim
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The above image, which was cleverly crafted by Mother Jones staff, was used in a news story telling how the NSA disguised itself as Google in order to attain information on Google users. NSA used a technique known by hackers as "man in the middle" (MITM) in which the NSA acts as an undetected go-between function between Google Users and the Google server. In other words, user inputs at Google, such as passwords, are relayed by NSA to Google servers, and the NSA then utilizes user info to glean information on users from the Google servers. Edward Snowden released a document diagram explaining how this had been done by NSA. The same technique can be used on any websites, including social media sites such as Facebook and Twitter, and to gain access to bank accounts at financial institutions.

It has long been known that Google, Facebook, and several other popular websites willingly respond to government agency requests for data and info regarding users, but the MITM technique takes NSA spying to a much higher level. Search engines such as Google are frequently used by nearly everyone with access to a computer, and the information about users and user search requests contained on such servers is a goldmine of information. If using a search engine, one would be better off using one of the anonymous search engines, such as DuckDuckgo.com, but in reality one should not expect that anything which they do on the Internet can be considered "safe," or "private."
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Good point, Rick, its not JUST the 'fine', but the penalty for failing to pay the fine.
Actually it is both those things and then some. If you don't pay a tax that you owe (in this case buying the insurance) then you are slapped with a penalty assessment plus accumulating interest which keeps accumulating until such time as you pay the interest, the penalty assessment, and the tax that you owed in the first place. So any people who opt to not pay the insurance premium (which is the tax) and think they can only be forced to pay a smaller amount as a tax penalty will probably have a rude awakening coming to them when IRS agents knock on (or knock down) their door.

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As I reported in post #4614, the House leadership was forced to delay a vote on defunding ObummerCare until next week. At least 42 House Republicans have now stepped up to demand of House Republican leadership that no Continuing Resolution (CR) be brought to a vote that does not specifically defund ObummerCare and prevent the Senate from making changes. This has obviously ticked off Dirty Harry Reid, who is now saying that, “We’re diverted totally from what this [CR] bill is about. Why? Because the anarchists have taken over. They’ve taken over the House, and now they’ve taken over the Senate.” Dirty Harry makes it clear who these "anarchists" are, saying, "People who don’t believe in government — and that’s what the TEA Party is all about — are winning, and that’s a shame.”


It's nice to hear Dirty Harry acknowledging that the TEA Party is winning, but labeling constitutionalists as "anarchists" is so ridiculous that it is totally laughable and should be seen as so by any sane individual. Constitutionalists do believe in government of the type that is defined by our Constitution. And that is a limited and responsible federal government. Harry should have inserted the words "big and tyrannical" before the word "government" in his statement if wanting to say something truthful.



Ever since the 2010 election the leadership of both major political parties has attacked and blamed the TEA Party for anything and everything that makes Congress look bad. It's hard to understand how anyone would adopt that kind of mentality, but I know a lot of Democrats, and some Republicans, who apparently have done just that. I do believe, however, that there is a large portion of Republicans who are totally dissatisfied with the way the party is going, especially since the 2012 elections. Even once staunch Republican supporter Rush Limbaugh now calls out the party leadership on a daily basis, and even refers to the Ruling Class frequently. Republicans were once "Conservatives," but the two terms are no longer synonymous. The TEA Party strategy was to infiltrate and take over the Republican party, and while they are still a long way from accomplishing that they are definitely shaking up government and waking up the People. If the TEA Party wants to take over in 2016 then I'd say they need a new strategy, which should be to offer voters a real alternative to the two-party system by becoming a registered political party. I can definitely see a lot of Republican voters bailing on their party to vote for TEA Party candidates, as well as a lot of disillusioned Democrats who are now sorry they voted for Barry and aren't thrilled about the prospect of Hillie for President. If the TEA Party makes the move, they shouldn't waste any time doing so, as 2016 is not so far away.

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Thanks aljhoa for the facebook link,

One of the comments there led me to this very informative 5 min video.

CPA Caucus Finds Massive UW System Slush Fund - YouTube

Being from Wisconsin I am glad to see that info contained in these CAFRs (comprehensive annual financial reports) is finally being looked at and perhaps more people will become aware of the trillions of dollars being held in these slush funds. It's to bad MSM doesn't do a show on this, or at least on PBS.

This billion dollar fund is being held by our university of Wisconsin system and our governor was about to hand them $180 mill of our tax money.

We now have 4 young CPA's in our legislature and I hope that this just the beginning of what will come to light soon, because there is money like this to be found in every branch of our huge government tree.

If this stirs things up enough here I believe other states will soon follow.

Regards, Gene
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