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Old 02-04-2010, 08:24 PM
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The plan for the US is in the lower left corner of the image dated 1934.
The clipping also shows in the lower left corner that the plan worked in Russia.
Is it to scary that no one made any comments?
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Interesting to see how many Americans still equal "socialism" to communism, Russian and Chinese style, while to me as a Dutchmen, the term socialism is much more nuanced, like explained on Wikipedia:

Socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Socialism refers to the various theories of economic organization advocating public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources, and a society characterized by equal access to resources for all individuals with a method of compensation based on the amount of labor expended.

Most socialists share the view that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital and derives its wealth through exploitation, creates an unequal society, does not provide equal opportunities for everyone to maximise their potential. Capitalism does not utilise technology and resources to their maximum potential nor in the interests of the public."

So, to me, the core of socialism as described here does make a lot of sense, even though it has been abused by one and the same elite that is abusing capitalism. This is not about capitalism vs. socialism, this really is about ordinary people vs. the ruling class.
I fully agree with your last sentence in the above quote, however it really shouldn't surprise you that Americans view socialism as something we do not want. We do have a Socialist political party here, and its popularity peaked in 1912 when party leader Eugene Debs ran for President and received 6% of the vote. But since that time the Socialist party has been unable to bring in even a mere 4%. So it is clear that Americans don't want socialism. And you are right, we do equate socialism with communism. After all, as Wikipedia also points out,

The reason that so many immigrants left their homelands and came to America is because America offered them a chance to better their lives, and the lives of their children. A great many of those immigrants were able to accomplish their goals within one generation, because capitalism worked for them. Even today the trend continues. Just look around, and you can see countless success stories of energetic and entrepreneurial individuals who have set examples of what can be achieved when one pursues their dreams. Take Bill Gates, for example. Bill's father improved his own life by enrolling in law school under the G.I. Bill, after serving in World War II. This gave Bill junior an opportunity to attend the best schools, and that helped him to earn a SAT score of 1590 out of a possible 1600, equating to an IQ of 170. That helped him to enter Harvard University, but he later dropped out of Harvard to pursue his ambition of starting a computer software company. He saw a need, filled that need, and became fabulously wealthy doing so. Anyone in America could have done that [maximized their potential] if they had the same dream and had pursued it with the same enthusiasm and work ethic that Bill Gates demonstrated. We probably wouldn't be conversing in this forum if it had not been for Bill Gates and his vision for the future.

Take, for another example, our current President Barack Obama. He began life as a bastard child (his Kenyan father was already married when he illegally married Barack's mother), and yet he rose from obscurity to pursue and attain his ambition of becoming the most powerful leader in the free world. And that is fine, as it demonstrates that in America anyone can become President. What isn't fine, though, is the direction in which he is leading this country - towards socialism and fascism, with aggressive power grabs designed to erode our freedoms and enslave future generations.

What we need is less government involvement in our lives, not more. Neither of the two major political parties understand how deeply the public is disgusted with politics as usual. Republicans who think that the 2010 elections will be a bonanza for them may be shocked when large numbers of incumbents in both parties are voted out of office. Our job will be to see to it that as many incumbents as possible are kicked out, and that those we elect to fill their seats favor smaller government, lower taxes, less spending, and the restoration of freedoms as originally guaranteed in our founding documents.

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Old 02-05-2010, 12:54 AM
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Everyone, even non US humans should read this. Everything the government does, simply fails. You name it, The postal system, to health care, all our stupid wars, bailouts, the list goes on and on and on again. By now it should be clear that these failures could only be planed. No one could f--- up our world this badly unless someone (the ruling class), the elite, were doing this with a purpose in mind. This purpose does not include our well being. The two party system serves one master. Revolution will be hard on us and our families and all of mankind. But it will pale in comparison to what lies ahead for free thinking people and sheeple (those not awake) if action is not taken. Those who are elitest wannabees have no clue that u are screwed too. I heard a weather reporter saying that the skys would be clear today except for the many contrails in the sky.You and your kids are breahing this crap too lol. Can we change the current system? I belive we can! All that is talked about here is an awsome start. NOW is the time to act! Get involved .And that's all I have to say about that
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Old 02-05-2010, 06:33 AM
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The plan for the US is in the lower left corner of the image dated 1934. The clipping also shows in the lower left corner that the plan worked in Russia.
It may be an old cartoon, and the names are now different, but the plan is still in use and hasn't changed one bit.
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Take Bill Gates, for example. Bill's father improved his own life by enrolling in law school under the G.I. Bill, after serving in World War II. This gave Bill junior an opportunity to attend the best schools, and that helped him to earn a SAT score of 1590 out of a possible 1600, equating to an IQ of 170. That helped him to enter Harvard University, but he later dropped out of Harvard to pursue his ambition of starting a computer software company. He saw a need, filled that need, and became fabulously wealthy doing so. Anyone in America could have done that [maximized their potential] if they had the same dream and had pursued it with the same enthusiasm and work ethic that Bill Gates demonstrated. We probably wouldn't be conversing in this forum if it had not been for Bill Gates and his vision for the future.
Hmm. Bill Gates may be not the best example you could have picked:

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I always wonder if it is a coincidence that Bill made his fortune, because IBM became his most important client: IBM and the Holocaust home ...
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Hmm. Bill Gates may be not the best example you could have picked:
Perhaps not, but he definitely is a prime example that illustrates my point, being that the potential reward in America for entrepreneurial genius is great, and is an available opportunity to any who who would pursue it, unlike in a socialistic society.

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I always wonder if it is a coincidence that Bill made his fortune, because IBM became his most important client
It's no coincidence. Bill is a creative genius with tremendous insight and foresight. He saw a need and filled that need, then continued to create products that people would want and/or need. It's as simple as that. IBM sought out Bill Gates because of his expertise. They needed an operating system, and he provided it in the form of PC-DOS, which he offered to them for a one-time licensing fee of $50,000. He did not transfer the copyright to them though, and was wise not to. He changed the name to MS-DOS and made millions more dollars providing the system to several other computer companies.

Bill has sometimes been criticized for investing his charitable foundation funds heavily in other companies that are sometimes seen as having operational or environmental impacts that are adverse to the poor people that his foundation is supposed to be helping. Bill's reply to that idea is that by investing heavily in those companies, he is able to reap large profits that are then given to the needy people (as of 2007, more than $28 Billion), and that his large investment in these companies also gives him voting rights that can influence company policy to improve environmental and working conditions. In other words, he's using his financial clout to buy a say in how those companies will operate, and that's a good thing.

Along the way, Bill may get hoodwinked into helping support some charitable programs that may have devious underpinnings, such as some vaccination objectives. I do think, though, that his intent is good. Unlike other charitable trusts, Bill and Melinda Gates formed theirs as a truly transparent trust, where benefactors have full access to determine exactly how their donations are being invested and dispersed. Theirs is the world's largest transparent charitable trust.

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Obama Surrendering Internet to Foreign Powers


By: Bradley A. Blakeman


Without the ingenuity of America’s brightest minds and the investment of U.S. taxpayer dollars, there would be no Internet, as we now know it today.

Now, the Obama administration has moved quietly to cede control of the Web from the United States to foreign powers.

Some background: The Internet came into being because of the genius work of Americans Dr.Robert E. Kahn and Dr. Vinton G. Cerf. These men, while working for the Department of Defense in the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency in the early 1970s, conceived, designed, and implemented the idea of "open-architecture networking."

This breakthrough in connectivity and networking was the birth of the Internet.

These two gentlemen had the vision and the brainpower to create a worldwide computer Internet communications network that forever changed the world and how we communicate in it.

They discovered that providing a person with a unique identifier (TCP/IP)that was able to be recognized and interact through a network of servers would allow users to communicate with others.

The servers woulduse a series of giant receivers to recognize the identifier and connect networks to networks, passing on information from computer to computer in a seamless real-time exchange of information. This new process of communication became know as the "information super highway," aka, the Internet.

Now for the bad news: In an effort to show the world how inclusive, sharing, cooperative, and international America can be, the Obama administration set off on a plan to surrender control and key management of the Internet by the U.S. Department of Commerce and its agents.

The key to the control America has over the Internet is through the management of the Domain Name System (DNS) and the giant servers that service the Internet.

Domain names are managed through an entity named IANA, the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority. The IANA, which operates on behalf of the U.S. Department of Commerce, is responsible for the global coordination of the DNS, IP addressing, and other Internet protocol resources.

In short, without an IP Address or other essential Internet protocols, a person or entity would not have access to the Internet.

For years, the international community has been pressuring the United States
to surrender its control and management of the Internet. They want an international body such as the United Nations or even the International Telecommunications Union, (an entity that coordinates international telephone communications), to manage all aspects of the Internet in behalf of all nations.

The argument advanced for those seeking international control of the Internet is that the Internet has become such a powerful, pervasive, and a dependent form of international communications, that it would be dangerous and inequitable for any one nation to control and manage it.

Just this past spring, within months of Obama's taking office, his administration, through the Department of Commerce, agreed to relinquish some control over IANA and their governance. The Obama administration has agreed to give greater representation to foreign companies and countries on IANA.

This amounts to one small step for internationalism and one giant leap for surrendering America's control over an invention we have every right and responsibility to control and manage.

It is in America's economic and national security interests not to relinquish any control. We are responsible for the control, operation, and functionality of one of the modern world's greatest inventions and most powerful communications network.

What better country to protect the Internet than the United States?

We invented it, and we paid for the research and implementation that made it possible. We are the freest, most tolerant nation on earth, we believe in the fundamental right of free speech, and we practice a free market of commerce and ideas.

America has always been against censorship and has shared its invention with the world without fee or unreasonable or arbitrary restriction. The user fee to operate on the Internet is not one paid to the U.S. government; a consumer pays it to private Internet companies, who provide access to the Internet through servers for their subscribers.

Look no further than China's recent move against Google to censor the
Internet, and you can envision what can happen when other nations less free than the United States seek to control the Internet beyond even their own borders.

America needs to wake up. If we lose control over the management of the
Internet, we have given away one of our nation's greatest assets with nothing
in return to show for it.

The Obama administration's actions will set in motion a slow and complete takeover of the Internet by the United Nations or some other equally U.S.-hostile and unfriendly international body. And once it is gone, it will be gone forever.
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A note from the Center For Individual Freedom (CFIF)

Millions of Americans have lost their jobs and record numbers of families are losing their homes to foreclosure, but have no fear, Barack Obama just told us how to make it through these trying times.

At a town hall meeting in Nashua, New Hampshire, Obama gave the American people a lecture on weathering the financial storm: "When times are tough, you tighten your belts. You don't go buying a boat when you can barely pay your mortgage. You don't blow a bunch of cash on Vegas when you're trying to save for college."

Excuse us? Does Obama really believe families suffering hardship and misfortune are buying boats and taking extravagant vacations? How dare the president lecture the American people, who are struggling just to make ends meet, when Obama himself fails to practice what he preaches? And as he chastises with one hand, he proposes even more economic hardship and misery with the other.

Obama’s reckless campaign of tax, borrow and spend is driving this nation over a financial cliff. According to his own administration’s latest estimates, the federal deficit for this current fiscal year alone is going to be a whopping 1.6 trillion dollars. Broken down by population, that's approximately 5,300 additional dollars of debt for every man, woman and child in the United States... and that's just for this year.

And to make matters worse, Obama’s proposed 2011 budget, released this week, would triple the national debt over the next 10 years. As Congressman Paul Ryan (R-WI), Ranking Member of the House Budget Committee put it: " Not only is this budget worse than the last one, but it triples our debt within ten years, features gushers of tax increases, and relies on some partisan commission to do the heavy lifting on fiscal policy after the next election. Make no mistake: This is a budget aimed to advance the administration’s philosophy and ideology. By increasing taxes and letting the country spiral into debt, this budget is a firm step toward transforming America into a collectivist society overseen by a social-welfare state."
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And what was cash for clunkers??

Wasn't it a way to get Americans who own a vehicle outright and which gets them from A to B, to trade it in for a shiny new one along with the accompanied loan?

Obama is a lawyer. He is all talk and no action. He is very, very good at talking I'll give him that but eventually the public will wake from his rhetoric.

I am reading in many places that he will be a 1 term president. Time will tell.
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I especially like the crash course series:
Crash Course Chapter 1: Three Beliefs - change | Crash Course Videos at Chris Martenson - change, Crash Course, future, next 20 years, technology, three beliefs

It explains the debt issue nicely. I especially like the chapter on compounding:
Crash Course Chapter 4: Compounding Is The Problem - Compounding | Crash Course Videos at Chris Martenson - Compounding, exponential functions, exponential growth, money supply, Peak Oil, population
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Everyone, even non US humans should read this. Everything the government does, simply fails. You name it, The postal system, to health care, all our stupid wars, bailouts, the list goes on and on and on again. By now it should be clear that these failures could only be planed. No one could f--- up our world this badly unless someone (the ruling class), the elite, were doing this with a purpose in mind. This purpose does not include our well being. The two party system serves one master. Revolution will be hard on us and our families and all of mankind. But it will pale in comparison to what lies ahead for free thinking people and sheeple (those not awake) if action is not taken. Those who are elitest wannabees have no clue that u are screwed too. I heard a weather reporter saying that the skys would be clear today except for the many contrails in the sky.You and your kids are breahing this crap too lol. Can we change the current system? I belive we can! All that is talked about here is an awsome start. NOW is the time to act! Get involved .And that's all I have to say about that

Constitutional amendment is missing equating pre-election promises with automatic grounds for the impeachment and removal process of any official.
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We have talked in this thread about the many methods that the Ruling Class has used to advance their agenda while diminishing our freedom and liberties. Here's a link to a video, produced a few years ago, which puts together and documents the steps that the Ruling Class has taken, and gives clear insight as to why we are where we are today, and what we are facing if we don't put a stop to the Ruling Class plan.

Masters of Terror
In two hours, Alex Jones reveals the Globalists' master plan for world domination. In this powerful expose, Jones explains why the elite [the Ruling Class] are using manufactured terrorism to drive the populations into accepting tyranny. The Masters of Terror details the execution of the September 11th attacks and the ensuing whitewash, the cashless society control-grid, implanted microchips, mind-control, militarization of police, concentration camps, foreign troops massing on US soil, the USA Patriot Act, and Homeland Security taking over the states.
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Here's a link to a website that I think you will find quite interesting. It presents a satirical, though realistic, look into the near future, with possible scenarios and outcomes affected by both the Obama administration agenda, and the people's resistance to it.

United States Of Earth

Be sure to check out the "action packed, satire-filled war game" that is found near the bottom of the page.
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Criminalization of free speech in America

From an article by Paul Joseph Watson
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Subversives who think government is corrupt and should be controlled by the people face 10 years in prison and a $25,000 dollar fine if they fail to register with authorities in South Carolina, in another chilling example of how free speech and dissent is being criminalized in America.
The state’s “Subversive Activities Registration Act” is now officially on the books and mandates that “Every member of a subversive organization, or an organization subject to foreign control, every foreign agent and every person who advocates, teaches, advises or practices the duty, necessity or propriety of controlling, conducting, seizing or overthrowing the government of the United States … shall register with the Secretary of State.”
Of course, the right to overthrow a government that has become corrupt, abusive and completely unrepresentative of its electorate is enshrined in the Declaration of Independence – that’s how America came to be a Republic in the first place – advocating or teaching that the people should “control” the government via their elected representatives is a basic function of a democratic society, but this law effectively makes it a terrorist offense.
And further down in the article,

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Interesting quiz. When you get done look at the overall results. It is appalling how uninvolved and uninformed the electorate is. No wonder our politicians keep getting re-elected.




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whaaaaaaaaa?

I wish that SC law was a joke, but its real!



http://www.scsos.com/forms/Miscellan...eAgentForm.pdf
You can see the whole form!

Please tell me I'm dreaming!

I guess that since DC is a foreign entity, SC should immediately
start arresting all their own representatives.

I'd like to say I hope it wouldn't get any nuttier than this, but the fact
is that I know that is just icing on the cake for what is to come.

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Let me post this here also, it seems to fit this topic very well:

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This is what Eric has to say about Benjamin Fulford: Benjaman Fulford

You can take a look at this site: Eric Hufschmid.net
I'm afraid this Eric does not have a clear picture of the power of the Rockeffeler-Bush nazi clan:

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If you are a regular visitor to the EricHufschmid.net website, you know that Zionist agents can be identified by their attempt to shift blame away from Israel and Zionism and onto people that they are willing to sacrifice, such as the Bush family, the Nazis, the Muslims, the Vatican, and Tony Blair.

Some people have trouble understanding why the Zionists are willing to sacrifice the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds. Is it really that difficult to understand? The Zionists must blame somebody for 9/11, the world wars, the sex slave trade, and other problems. Furthermore, they must blame somebody who is actually involved in these crimes or people will realize that they are being tricked. They must sacrifice some of the people in their group.
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You can see their plan, and how they never anticipated computers, DVDs, or the Internet. This technology allows us to expose them. Their outdated plan no longer works; they are going to lose!

You see, Eric appears to fall right into the trap that the Zion protocols are. I have read these protocols, and they do contain a lot of truth, except for one thing: they put the blame on an ethnic group of people, which is per definition wrong. You cannot blame a group of people because some members of supposedly this single group misbehave themselves.

The protocols can actually be traced back to the French revolution:
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Elements of the text in the Protocols were plagiarized from the 1864 book, Dialogue aux enfers entre Machiavel et Montesquieu (Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu), written by the French satirist Maurice Joly. Joly's work attacks the political ambitions of Napoleon III using Machiavelli as a diabolical plotter in Hell as a stand-in for Napoleon's views[21]. In the book, Machiavelli describes a series of steps that he intends to take to become ruler of the world.

Since it was illegal to criticize the monarchy, Joly had the pamphlet printed in Belgium, then tried to smuggle it back into France. The police confiscated as many copies as they could, and it was banned. After it was traced to Joly, he was tried on April 25, 1865, and sentenced to 15 months in prison at Sainte-Pelagie. Joly committed suicide in 1878.

The Joly book was in turn based on material borrowed from a popular novel of the time by Eugène Sue titled The Mysteries of the People, in which those plotting to rule the world were the Jesuits instead of Napoleon III. Neither Joly book nor the Sue book mentioned either Jews or Masons.
Interestingly, Albert Pike also mentions the French revolution in his "Morals and Dogmas". Right from the horses mouth of Freemasonry:

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/19447/19447-0.txt

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A Lodge inaugurated under the auspices of Rousseau, the fanatic of
Geneva, became the centre of the revolutionary movement in France, and a
Prince of the blood-royal went thither to swear the destruction of the
successors of Philippe le Bel on the tomb of Jacques de Molai. The
registers of the Order of Templars attest that the Regent, the Duc d'
Orleans, was Grand Master of that formidable Secret Society, and that
his successors were the Duc de Maine, the Prince of Bourbon-Condé, and
the Duc de Cossé-Brissac.

The Templars compromitted the King; they saved him from the rage of the
People, to exasperate that rage and bring on the catastrophe prepared
for centuries; it was a scaffold that the vengeance of the Templars
demanded. The secret movers of the French Revolution had sworn to
overturn the Throne and the Altar upon the Tomb of Jacques de Molai.
When Louis XVI. was executed, half the work was done; and thenceforward
the Army of the Temple was to direct all its efforts against the Pope.
In this period, we see the first declaration of human rights, the "Déclaration des droits de l'homme", from 1793:



Which is what today is: Déclaration universelle des droits de l'homme

Now take a look at the interesting symbolism in this 1793 document. For example, it is presented as two stone tablets, just as Mozes apparantly recieved his 10 commandments from God. However, most interestingly is this symbol in the middle, the rods. What are these?

Fasces: Fasces - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Numerous governments and other authorities have used the image of the fasces as a symbol of power since the end of the Roman Empire. It has also been used to hearken back to the Roman republic, particularly by those who see themselves as modern-day successors to the old republic and/or its ideals. Italian Fascism, which derives its name from the fasces, arguably used this symbolism the most in the 20th century. The British Union of Fascists also used it in the 1930s. However, unlike (for example) the swastika, the fasces, as a widespread and long-established symbol in the West, has avoided the stigma associated with much of fascist symbolism, and many authorities continue to display them, including the federal government of the United States.
Excuse me? "including the federal government of the United States"

Yep, you can find these fasces right on the capitol:



And there are more similarities between the capitol and it's original, the Vatican:

Dissecting The New Age: The Trinity of Global Empire

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Washington DC operates under a system of Roman Law and outside of the limitations established by the US Constitution. Therefore, it should not be a surprise that the name Capitol Hill derives from Capitoline Hill, which was the seat of government for the Roman Empire. If you look at the wall behind the podium in the House of Representatives, you will notice that on either side of the US flag is the depiction of bundles of sticks tied together with an axe. These are called fasci, hence the root word of fascism. This was the symbol of fascism in the Roman Empire, as it was under the Nazis and still is today. It is not a coincidence that these symbols are featured on the floor of Congress.

[...]

Most Americans (and people in general) believe the US declared independence from Britain when this is simply not the case. Of the signatories to the Declaration of Independence, at least five of them were Temple Bar attorneys, all of whom had sworn allegiance to the Crown. Alexander Hamilton was one of the Middle Crown agents during the formation of the US and was assigned to set up the American banking system on orders from the Crown, to control the United States. In fact a 'State' is a legal entity of the Crown. This is why we also have the STATE of Israel.

Furthermore, of the members of the Constitutional Convention that signed the completed US Constitution, seven were Middle Inn Templars who had also pledged allegiance to the Crown. Therefore, it is no coincidence that today copies of both the Declaration of Independence and US Constitution hang on the wall in the library of of the Middle Temple in London.

To put it all in context, it is the Crown that controls the global financial system and runs the governments of all Commonwealth countries, and many non-Commonwealth 'Western' nations as well. The Crown traces back to the Vatican, which is headed by the Pope, who is the figurehead for the real powers that be behind the curtain, some of which are known but many of which are completely unknown to the general public.
So, please, let's put this "the Jews did it" and "the muslims did it" kind of reasoning behind us, shall we?

If you want to know who actually did "it", there is a very simple recipe that never fails: follow the money!

And if you do that, you'll end up with the same names all over again. "Wall street" funded Hitler, they funded the Soviet Union and they are still funding the "military industrial complex" Eisenhower warned us about in his goodbye speech.

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Well, I don't think we have to be really afraid. In the end, "they" only got this far, because they were able to keep te people ignorant about what is really going on in this world. That's why there has always been a lot of secrecy. The ruling class cannot survive in a society with real freedom of speech and real free media. And that is why there are tremendous changes taking place at the moment. The internet has finally brought us these freedoms and these are not easily taken away. The genie is out of the bottle and in my view, it is only a matter of time before the earth is being ruled by the people for a change, and will provide enough wealth for all, because we know we can extract all the energy we need right out of the vacuum and we know we can use that to make all of the earths deserts green.

So, it may look like the elitists are winning, but in the end, all they have is a bunch of paper saying what we can and cannot do. And that's really all they have. A bunch of paper.

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Well, I don't think we have to be really afraid. In the end, "they" only got this far, because they were able to keep te people ignorant about what is really going on in this world. That's why there has always been a lot of secrecy. The ruling class cannot survive in a society with real freedom of speech and real free media. And that is why there are tremendous changes taking place at the moment. The internet has finally brought us these freedoms and these are not easily taken away. The genie is out of the bottle and in my view, it is only a matter of time before the earth is being ruled by the people for a change, and will provide enough wealth for all, because we know we can extract all the energy we need right out of the vacuum and we know we can use that to make all of the earths deserts green.

So, it may look like the elitists are winning, but in the end, all they have is a bunch of paper saying what we can and cannot do. And that's really all they have. A bunch of paper.

However, in reality "they" have no power at all, as has been shown before:

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Well if I remember enough history, my take is it all depends on which way our armed forces are leaning and will go when and if needed. We not only have internal problems to defend, but we need to insure that the UN is kept out of the future. I'm not so sure I see it your way at all, anyway you are living in a society that is making parts of what is being talked about here. Albeit for the most part I understand that most of your population is happy with it all?

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Well if I remember enough history, my take is it all depends on which way our armed forces are leaning and will go when and if needed. We not only have internal problems to defend, but we need to insure that the UN is kept out of the future. I'm not so sure I see it your way at all, anyway you are living in a society that is making parts of what is being talked about here. Albeit for the most part I understand that most of your population is happy with it all?
I don't understand for 100% what you mean to say about the country I live in, The Netherlands, but it is true that my country always had a lot of influence, because our Royal Family was and still is very influential. Like the British, we also had a corporation that exploited our colonies, the VOC. It is a public secret that both the British and the Dutch Royal Families own quite a bit of shares in the Royal Dutch Shell, one of the main competitors of Rockefellers standard oil. These two companies together invested heavily in Nazi Germany, which was bankrupted because of the Versailles treaty, written by the Dulles brothers. This treaty made that the German industry could be bought for pennies on the dollar, and Shell (and thus both Royal families) can be more or less connected to the nazi regime:

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Further research has revealed evidence that a huge injection of Royal Dutch Shell funds by Sir Henri, saved the Nazi Party from collapse and in so doing, indirectly caused millions of deaths in World War II.

I have provided extensive verification evidence from reputable independent sources of the Royal Dutch Shell connection with Hitler and the Nazi. This includes evidence of a four-day meeting between Sir Henri and Adolf Hitler at his Mountain top retreat, The Eagles Nest in Berchtesgaden.
Also see my comments there, on the connection between our Royal house and the Nazi money laundring bank, of which the US sister bank was headed by none less then Prescott Bush. Yes, from that Bush family.

Beside this, there is ample evidence that these fellows used "ECO-fraud" in order to setup a neo-colonial empire in Africa:
http://www.tuks.nl/docs/EIR__The_com...ndsor__WWF.pdf


That is very interesting, because the whole global warming swindle is basically a trick in an agenda to setup a fascist world government, using the same old tricks they used setting up WW-I, WW-II and this neo-colonial empire in Africa": divide and conquer, using all the dirty tricks in the book.

This was all to go down in Copenhagen, and as is well known, this failed. Benjamin Fulford says this about it:

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First let us re-cap the New World Order moves towards a fascistic world government in 2009. It started with the inauguration of Barack Obama as president. At first everybody was hopeful but, it did not take long for the truth to sink in. Obama was a Nazi puppet who broke all his important promises and refused to withdraw from Iraq, failed to close the Guantanamo torture camp and actually increased the amount of troops in Afghanistan. Later, he attempted to make himself de-facto world President by taking the post of head of the UN Security council, in direct violation of the US constitution. To bolster his position he was given the Nobel “peace” prize.

Meanwhile a Soviet style totalitarian government was imposed upon the people of Europe via the Treaty of Lisbon. A European “President” was then selected without any popular vote.

The final move was supposed to have taken place at the Copenhagen “global warming” summit. The European fascists were hoping to install a global totalitarian government by stealth under the cover of the bogus CO2 reduction campaign.

However, the Black Dragon Society was able to quash this campaign on several fronts. First of all, Russian BDS members hacked the East Anglia University computers and proved the “global warming” campaign was based on false data. Then BDS members in Washington froze an attempt by the Japanese emperor to provide over $100 billion for the cabal to hand over to developing nations in exchange for their acceding to a world government. When the fascists showed up empty handed, they were told to buzz off by the rest of the world.

In the meantime, the Federal Reserve Board and the Bank of England are facing a January deadline to come up with gold to pay their overdue debts to China.
Of course, I don't know in how far this is all true, but he is absolutely right about the Lisbon treaty part. It is a dreadful treaty, which at least the French and Dutch people voted against while it was still called "constitution", which it actually is. And it is also against our constitution IMHO, and our Queen actually broke her oath when she signed this treaty:
Niburu • Toon onderwerp - Queen abdicates her constitutional responsibility
Of course, she signed it anyway, but one never knows what happens. At least it is publicly known that she has been warned beforehand


Whatever the case, the fact that Copenhage failed is a huge blow against the elitist who did not get it their way.

As for the happyness of the population, well most people appear to no longer care about politics, and there are certainly signs that the people are waking up. Climategate did a lot of good, and also the mass hysteria about nothing, the swine flue, made quite a stir, even though the MSM are mostly ignoring the critics and just play lip service to the farmaceutical industry. Still, I think only about 70% of the kids were actually showing up to get their vaccine, which is quite high, but 30% not showing up is perhaps more telling of the change that is occuring. Also, these practices are currently being investigated by the European parliament and/or the commission.

Also, it becomes more and more clear to people what the bankers are actually doing. It is insane to have money printed by private companies, which may be legal in Europe, but is the opposite of what is in your constitution.

Just a few weeks ago, I read a paper about how this system in its core works, explained by the example of a poker game.

You have 10 persons playing poker and one "bank" who issues the fiches. Each player borrows 20 fiches, which are to be payed back with an interest of 10%. So, the bank issues 200 fiches and the game begins. Some win, some loose, and at the end of the evening, the players have to pay their debt: 220 fiches, 200 fiches "debt" *plus* 20 fiches for interest.

And that's the crux of the matter: the 20 fiches for the interest don't actually exist!

This is the essence of the game that is being played against us. We are in a rat race to pay interest on money that has been created out of thin air by the banks in such a way that it is impossible to pay everything back, since the total debt is always greater than the amount of available money!

So, we get into an infinite spiral. In order to pay back the interest, ever more debt *has* to be created, which always ends up with the banks.


As for your first remark, look here: Oath Keepers » Oath Keepers – Guardians of the Republic
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I sometimes think faster than I speak or write and what I was headed for is of what (little really) I know of the Netherlands and that if I am correct your country is leaning socialist in many respects??

I think the US is totally consumed by the give me people that have been under educated and given homes, clothing and meals without doing anything but claiming a particular status. I am of German Heritage and Proud of it, and not the Germany of Today. I was educated and taught that reward comes from work and often self respect and pride of ones work is sufficient work. Far from what you so often see on FE Forums where the goal is not the same direction.

I was further taught that you only have value if you contribute, this in my mind means doing something in return for what you have or may be the recipient of. Therefore I myself do not consider philanthropy a virtue until you first have taken care of your first responsibilities, being ones own life and family, then if you have something left over it would be acceptable to help out. It is not a virtue in my thinking to starve you own children in order to share with with others that are starving also. What one ends up with is a mass of starving people that fall short of the strength and education to dig out from that hole.

The US appears to think that we missed a place in history and must crawl under a society that we have fought against or at least in my life I thought this was our direction.

I am blown away by the fact that the next US definition of a terrorist may just be "Fat People". This is so interesting and the wording is so in line with S.C. ban on free speech and the already general definition.

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Child Obesity is a growing problem (no pun intended), of course, and can lead to serious health problems. There's no question about that, but what we should question is the actual motive behind this government anti-obesity program that will cost $10 billion over the next decade. It's just one more exercise of government control, and a waste of taxpayer money. What's this about opening supermarkets in poor neighborhoods, anyways? I guess that means the government would operate those markets, and regulate what people are allowed to purchase there. If a fat person tries to buy any food that does not qualify as "low fat," the checkout clerk would either remove those items or charge the customer a "fat tax" that would essentially double the cost of the item. To decide who's too fat to purchase certain items, there would be a scale built into the floor at the checkout aisle, which the customer cannot avoid stepping upon. The system would automatically scan their height and weight, calculate their percentage of overweight, and use that result to calculate the proper obesity tax rate. The money generated from these taxes would then fund additional government programs. Those customers who maintain an "ideal" weight might also be given reduced prices for purchasing leaner items, or issued "food credits" which they could in turn sell to fat people, which would allow for purchase of any items at standard prices. And those who are too thin, or emaciated, would be required to purchase items of higher fat content, or pay a "lean tax." Of course that's different than a tax lien.

Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it? But don't be surprised if this is exactly the kind of thing that government has in mind. Just one more way to gain control over everything we do or consume. They are currently working very hard to outlaw all health supplements, and close to accomplishing that.
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I sometimes think faster than I speak or write and what I was headed for is of what (little really) I know of the Netherlands and that if I am correct your country is leaning socialist in many respects??
It depends of course on how you define "socialist". If you think "communist style, totalitarian regime": not at all. If you think "large public sector": yes.

I think we actually had a pretty good balance between the public and private sector, that actually worked pretty well before the globalist craziness and the moral decay we have seen.

We used to have a large public sector, by which I mean the goods and services provided by the state. These included healt care including health care insurance, education, public transportation, social insurances, state pension, mass media like telephone, TV and radio, postal services, etc. The rest, the public sector, consisted of lots of privately owned SMEs, with a healthy industry and lots of small agricultural family-like businesses, and other insurances. I think it actually makes a lot of sense to have certain activities in the public sector, like the ones I mentioned.

We also have a very interesting form of a corporation, which is called a cooperation. In this form, the corporation is owned by members, which usually share some common interest. For example, lots of (somewhat) larger business in the agricultural sector that processed milk into end products, were owned by the farmers that provided the milk for the factories. This way, the milk factories worked in the interests of the farmers and there were a lot of reasonably small, competing corporations like that. This form of company turned out to be also very interesting for insurances, because the profits that were made out of insurances were owned by the members, the people that were insured that way.

The mass media radio and TV were funded by tax payers money, at first trough a separate tax you only payed when you owned a TV, while the broadcasting was done by independent "verenigingen", sort of non-profit foundations, where the amount of transmission time depended on the number of members. This resulted in reasonably independent media, without much commercial breaks. Since the beginning of the nineties, we got commercial radio and television competing with the public media, which resulted in the media turning into a propaganda and entertainment machine.

On the printed media side, there were also quite a lot of independent newspapers, which now have largely merged into the hands of just a few companies, so today the press is much less critical, if at all, and also basically a propaganda and entertainment machine.


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I think the US is totally consumed by the give me people that have been under educated and given homes, clothing and meals without doing anything but claiming a particular status. I am of German Heritage and Proud of it, and not the Germany of Today. I was educated and taught that reward comes from work and often self respect and pride of ones work is sufficient work. Far from what you so often see on FE Forums where the goal is not the same direction.

I was further taught that you only have value if you contribute, this in my mind means doing something in return for what you have or may be the recipient of. Therefore I myself do not consider philanthropy a virtue until you first have taken care of your first responsibilities, being ones own life and family, then if you have something left over it would be acceptable to help out. It is not a virtue in my thinking to starve you own children in order to share with with others that are starving also. What one ends up with is a mass of starving people that fall short of the strength and education to dig out from that hole.
What you are talking about here, is a perfect example of a result of "moral decay". If you have setup a system by which the state provides money, housing, etc. for people that ran into some bad luck, that works pretty well as long as the people have a certain moral. One of the reasons our public system sort of ran out of control, is that it was being abused.

The picture that a lot of people have, is that this abuse is to be largely attributed to "useless eaters", to take a term you can find in a lot off green fascist literature, while I think it becomes more and more clear that the rising costs are to be attributed mostly to the "white board criminals" as we call them, the guys with the big salaries that can afford the best lawyers and other smart-asses that can find the holes in the system.

What you see is that lots and lots of SMEs have been taken over and otherwise been replaced by big corporations, with which SMEs could not compete. Especially in the agriculture and store businesses, there have been lots of mergers and takeovers, to the point that our farmers are now basically owned or coupled by strangle-contracts to either banks or large corporations. One important player there is Monsanto, a company with once again interesting links to the Nazi's, especially its big chemical company IG Farben.

So, I think the big picture is that a more or less healthy mix of public and private sector -- which certainly was not perfect and you can debate about the details -- in which there was a real market with open competition amonst lots of SMEs has been turned into a system under the control of an ever smaller number of ever larger corporations.

If you put this line a bit further forward, then you'll find out that:

fascism == communism == super capitalism

You see, fascism is basically a totalitarian regime and both in communism and super capitalism you have that. Eventually, the only difference between the two is that with communism you have nation states controlled by the money machine, while with super capitalism, you have supra-national corporations controlled by the money machine.

In other words: the money machine, the banksters, turn the people into economic slaves either way. Thay is why these fellows do business with every regime thinkable.

And now, with the globalisation and institutions like the IMF and the World bank, these guys have once again shown themselves to be perfectly capable of stealing from the poorest of the poor:

John Perkins on "The Secret History of the American Empire: Economic Hit Men, Jackals, and the Truth about Global Corruption"

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We work many different ways, but perhaps the most common one is that we will identify a third world country that has resources our corporations covet, such as oil, and then we arrange a huge loan to that country from the World Bank or one of its sister organizations. The money never actually goes to the country. It goes instead to US corporations, who build big infrastructure projects—power grids, industrial parks, harbors, highways—things that benefit a few very rich people but do not reach the poor at all. The poor aren’t connected to the power grids. They don’t have the skills to get jobs in industrial parks. But they and the whole country are left holding this huge debt, and it’s such a big bet that the country can’t possibly repay it. So at some point in time, we economic hit men go back to the country and say, “Look, you know, you owe us a lot of money. You can’t pay your debt, so you’ve got to give us a pound of flesh.”

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I am blown away by the fact that the next US definition of a terrorist may just be "Fat People". This is so interesting and the wording is so in line with S.C. ban on free speech and the already general definition.

CNSNews.com - First Lady Links Childhood Obesity to National Security in Launch of ‘Let’s Move’ Campaign
Oh yeah, we got that one too:

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Then you have the so-called Solidarity Clause, which really is a bombshell, because it means that if there is the need to fight against terrorist actions in any country—and the notion "terrorist action" is not defined,
it's a very vague notion—each country, even if it disagrees, has to participate in military action, in wars of aggression, in peace missions in third countries—so, out of area of the European Union—and it basically means there is no more veto right for those countries that do not agree. So, without public debate, or debate in national parliaments, the European Union is being transformed also into a defense alliance with the explicit obligation for rearmament and out-of-area interventions.
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In other words: once the people find out what these criminals have gotten us into and start protesting, well, that would be either "riots" or "terrorism". Take your pick.

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Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it? But don't be surprised if this is exactly the kind of thing that government has in mind.

Looks like at least your government is not trying to starve you to death.




Or is it actually the first step to total food control?

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Looks like at least your government is not trying to starve you to death.




Or is it actually the first step to total food control?
Oh, that's part of the plan too. Because of Genetically Modified seeds, crops grown with them are severely lacking in nutritional value. Furthermore, seeds from those harvested crops cannot be used to replant a crop for the following growing season. Natural seeds, which can be used year after year, are getting to be very hard to find except in very limited quantities. With government, and a few large corporations controlling seed stocks, this leaves the greater population at their mercy, and they will show no mercy when the going gets really tough. This will be an opportunity for them to cull 80% or more of the population through starvation.
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These fat Peoples....

Anyhow it s suspect, that the First Ladys allways got a Theme with it,
when they can talk about Healthcare and such Stuff,
like, How good Hens they are for her Chickens?

But a Fact is, that a lot of Manufactures use additives like carob gum and
guar gum, what makes you more hungry as if it is saturating.
All Supermarket have such food, and Mcdonalds also.
Ever wondered, when you eat couple Burgers, and after a while,
you get hungry again? Thats why. Same with the whole yogurts,
and they wrap this Stuff as preservativ or stabilizer.
And a lot from this Stuff blows you up, no wonder, when People
got a lot Weight, what the Healthcare can cure it again.
Perfect, for create work, where actually is none needed.

I think i can say, that close everything from the Food
what you get from the Industrie does not have the full sustenance anymore
or is healthy.
What else the whole Chemistry cause on the Plants, what they give the Farmers, 'because it works', can noone say also.

/. Maybe its the missing CO2 . /ironic off

Over long Term it looks like, this whole 'Business Mens' did come
over America like Parasites, to sproad herself more and more.
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It depends of course on how you define "socialist". If you think "communist style, totalitarian regime": not at all. If you think "large public sector": yes.

I think we actually had a pretty good balance between the public and private sector, that actually worked pretty well before the globalist craziness and the moral decay we have seen.

We used to have a large public sector, by which I mean the goods and services provided by the state. These included healt care including health care insurance, education, public transportation, social insurances, state pension, mass media like telephone, TV and radio, postal services, etc. The rest, the public sector, consisted of lots of privately owned SMEs, with a healthy industry and lots of small agricultural family-like businesses, and other insurances. I think it actually makes a lot of sense to have certain activities in the public sector, like the ones I mentioned.

We also have a very interesting form of a corporation, which is called a cooperation. In this form, the corporation is owned by members, which usually share some common interest. For example, lots of (somewhat) larger business in the agricultural sector that processed milk into end products, were owned by the farmers that provided the milk for the factories. This way, the milk factories worked in the interests of the farmers and there were a lot of reasonably small, competing corporations like that. This form of company turned out to be also very interesting for insurances, because the profits that were made out of insurances were owned by the members, the people that were insured that way.

The mass media radio and TV were funded by tax payers money, at first trough a separate tax you only payed when you owned a TV, while the broadcasting was done by independent "verenigingen", sort of non-profit foundations, where the amount of transmission time depended on the number of members. This resulted in reasonably independent media, without much commercial breaks. Since the beginning of the nineties, we got commercial radio and television competing with the public media, which resulted in the media turning into a propaganda and entertainment machine.

On the printed media side, there were also quite a lot of independent newspapers, which now have largely merged into the hands of just a few companies, so today the press is much less critical, if at all, and also basically a propaganda and entertainment machine.




What you are talking about here, is a perfect example of a result of "moral decay". If you have setup a system by which the state provides money, housing, etc. for people that ran into some bad luck, that works pretty well as long as the people have a certain moral. One of the reasons our public system sort of ran out of control, is that it was being abused.

The picture that a lot of people have, is that this abuse is to be largely attributed to "useless eaters", to take a term you can find in a lot off green fascist literature, while I think it becomes more and more clear that the rising costs are to be attributed mostly to the "white board criminals" as we call them, the guys with the big salaries that can afford the best lawyers and other smart-asses that can find the holes in the system.

What you see is that lots and lots of SMEs have been taken over and otherwise been replaced by big corporations, with which SMEs could not compete. Especially in the agriculture and store businesses, there have been lots of mergers and takeovers, to the point that our farmers are now basically owned or coupled by strangle-contracts to either banks or large corporations. One important player there is Monsanto, a company with once again interesting links to the Nazi's, especially its big chemical company IG Farben.

So, I think the big picture is that a more or less healthy mix of public and private sector -- which certainly was not perfect and you can debate about the details -- in which there was a real market with open competition amonst lots of SMEs has been turned into a system under the control of an ever smaller number of ever larger corporations.

If you put this line a bit further forward, then you'll find out that:

fascism == communism == super capitalism

You see, fascism is basically a totalitarian regime and both in communism and super capitalism you have that. Eventually, the only difference between the two is that with communism you have nation states controlled by the money machine, while with super capitalism, you have supra-national corporations controlled by the money machine.

In other words: the money machine, the banksters, turn the people into economic slaves either way. Thay is why these fellows do business with every regime thinkable.

And now, with the globalisation and institutions like the IMF and the World bank, these guys have once again shown themselves to be perfectly capable of stealing from the poorest of the poor:

John Perkins on "The Secret History of the American Empire: Economic Hit Men, Jackals, and the Truth about Global Corruption"






Oh yeah, we got that one too:

The Lisbon Treaty “Legalizes” EU-Dictatorship with Death Penalty » Euro-med


And of course:



In other words: once the people find out what these criminals have gotten us into and start protesting, well, that would be either "riots" or "terrorism". Take your pick.
Hummm... Indeed, it has been known from early times that it is often necessary to de-breed a wound in order to aid its healing.
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Oh, that's part of the plan too. Because of Genetically Modified seeds, crops grown with them are severely lacking in nutritional value. Furthermore, seeds from those harvested crops cannot be used to replant a crop for the following growing season. Natural seeds, which can be used year after year, are getting to be very hard to find except in very limited quantities. With government, and a few large corporations controlling seed stocks, this leaves the greater population at their mercy, and they will show no mercy when the going gets really tough. This will be an opportunity for them to cull 80% or more of the population through starvation.
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This will be an opportunity for them to cull 80% or more of the population through starvation.
Such a sloppy way to do things and it opens the window for a nasty recourse (maybe). When we live in a binary world, I'm sure they have quicker more efficient ways in mind.
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