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No Congress, no President has been strong enough to stand up to the foreign-controlled Federal Reserve Bank. Yet there is a catch - one that President Kennedy recognized before he was slain - the original deal in 1913 creating the Federal Reserve Bank had a simple backout clause.
The investors loaned the United States Government $1 billion. And the backout clause allows the United States to buy out the system for that $1 billion.
If the Federal Reserve Bank were demolished and the Congress of the United States took control of the currency, as required in the Constitution, the National Debt would virtually end overnight, and the need for more taxes and even the income tax, itself.
Thomas Jefferson was concise in his early warning to the American nation, "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."

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Well, thank goodness the Zimmerman trial is over. Mainstream media used the trial as a focal point rather than reporting on things that had true national significance. Of course the media never reported on facts behind the scenes of the Zimmerman trial either, such as the fact that Holder's inJustice Department helped organize protest rallies calling for charging Zimmerman with murder. Neither was it mentioned that Trayvon Martin had a record of stealing jewelry and other items from students at the school he attended, nor that he was known to exhibit aggressive behavior. Time and again the media reporters spoke of Trayvon in the light of simply being a good kid who had no intention of doing anything but eating a package of Skittles candy the evening he was killed by Zimmerman. The picture which that suggests can be likened to someone saying that you don't bring a package of Skittles to a gun fight, and of course was aimed at making Zimmerman's use of deadly force with a weapon look like extreme overkill. What the media never reported on was that Skittles weren't the only items Trayvon was carrying. In addition, he had a can of Arizona Watermelon Fruit Juice Coctail and a bottle of Robitussin DXM cough syrup. When these three items are mixed together, they create a potion known as Lean, a concocted high which can cause psychosis and aggression over the longer term. According to Trayvon's autopsy report, his liver showed damage consistent with DXM abuse.

Very telling, isn't it, that this was not allowed into evidence for jury consideration, and that the media never reported on it either. If this hadn't been a jury trial then the outcome would very likely have been quite different. Gun control advocates saw it as an opportunity to advance their cause, and the black community presented Trayvon as the poster child of their insistence that his death was due to an act of racial violence. It was hardly a surprise that the verdict was used as an excuse to promote a view of racism as the deciding factor, or that black mob violence would follow after the verdict was handed down. It is no wonder that Zimmerman has now gone into hiding. He has very good reason to fear for his own life at the hands of hate filled vengeance seekers. Consider an editorial which appeared in the Detroit Free Press yesterday:

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Of course it was the Ruling Class elite, or PTB, that won in this case. They succeeded in sharply dividing the citizenry along racial lines by making all of this out as a black vs white thing, rather than focusing on the facts of the matter. Division along racial lines, political party lines, and many other lines, is an ageless ploy of the PTB and has continued to keep this nation in constant turmoil. It focuses the mindsets, the fears, and the anger of these groups on each other, thus drawing attention completely away from where it should be focused - upon the PTB.
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Rick you posted a picture of Watermelon Flavored drink when in fact it was actually fruit punch Tea Trayvon was drinking. Are you promoting racial stereotypes and prejudices You creepy racial cracker you!

Im joking of course as the MSM reported it as Watermelon tea then later corrected it to say it was fruit punch.

Yea the entire Trayvon martin / Zimmerman trial was a joke. Apart from the authorities even trying the case or the courts hearing it the media should be ashamed of themselves but they have no conscience nor does the government. The ignorant people out there claiming Trayvon was the innocently little kid are too dumb to see facts even when presented to them so there is nothing you can do but feel sympathy for them as well as they will never be smart enough to get it much less be productive and support themselves.

The entire situation is really sad and there are a lot of what ifs being thrown around such as what if Zimmerman hadnt got out of his car, or what if Zimmerman had not been so aggressive. If anyone reads the 911 transcript that alone indicates Zimmerman was not racially motivated nor was he trying to do anything other than keep an eye on the suspicious person who was clearly acting in a strange manner.

Not once do I hear that proper parenting was lacking or at fault where the parents of Trayvon should have taught their child not to put himself in a position of causing any question to his actions. A what if could have been what if Trayvon been educated to maybe consider the fact he was in a neighborhood that wasnt his and automatically considered a stranger out of place therefore his behavior and actions would have been above reproach but then of course they would require responsibility and that is something he apparently desperately lacked and so do many of his supporters. This has nothing to do with race as the same rules apply to any person of any race in a similar situation.

The reality is that a young man is dead due in large part to his own actions and behavior and as much hate there is for the race issue the reality is the kid is dead at his own hands.

On a side note people like Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson only stir the pot and manipulate and incite ignorant people by taking advantage of their ignorance and fuel their emotions and the sad post is not only is this unchristian its sad the people who follow these charlatans are too stupid to see it themselves.

If you remove the race factor and emotions and look at all the evidence of the case then you can see it for what it really is and Zimmerman was innocent.

A very good article !

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Trayvon already received his justice, he and his supporters just didn't like the justice he was served.
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Rick you posted a picture of Watermelon Flavored drink when in fact it was actually fruit punch Tea Trayvon was drinking. Are you promoting racial stereotypes and prejudices You creepy racial cracker you!

Im joking of course as the MSM reported it as Watermelon tea then later corrected it to say it was fruit punch.
That's actually "creepy ass cracka," isn't it? At least I think that is the term Trayvon's girlfriend Jeantal used to describe Zimmerman.

The picture was correct, in that it identifies exactly what Trayvon had with him at the time he was shot. Most people think of tea when they think of the Arizona brand of drinks, so it's not surprising the media called it "watermelon tea." They were a lot closer when they later called it a "watermelon fruit punch," which could be thought of as synonymous with the actual product name - "Watermelon fruit juice cocktail."

Ayuh, as we say here in Maine, the fact that this case ever came to trial says a lot more than anything that was heard during the trial. If not for the public outcry for "justice" for Trayvon which came from black communities nation-wide, the case would likely never have been heard. Blacks are conditioned to be quick to believe that everything that goes bad for a black person is the result of racial bias. Knowing that, and wanting to use this to advantage, Barry and Eric Holder jumped onto the bandwagon as racial arsonists by paying the supreme racial arsonist - Al Sharpton, to travel to Florida and use his brand of hate speech to incite black mobs to protest angrily and demand that Zimmerman be charged and prosecuted. That's what brought this trial about. And now that it's over, Barry and Eric are both saying that the "stand your ground" self-defense laws have it wrong and need to be ousted. As attorney General, Holder's first priority should be to uphold the Constitution, and the laws that are currently in place. For him to question those laws, pick and choose which laws he will support, or lead a charge to repeal laws he doesn't like, is a violation of his oath of office. Strange, isn't it, how these race baiters can openly use these tactics and suffer no consequences while the least amount of criticism from us is promptly slapped down by their supporters and labeled as racist rants. Wasn't Barry the man who said he would heal America's racial divide if he became President? Instead, he has ensured that the divide has only widened, and has stoked the fires of hatred and mistrust.
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Yahoo - Driving somewhere? There's a government record of that

Not only are your phone calls being recorded and your online activity being recorded...Your car is now being recorded. They are using scanners to read your license plate, identify you, and record where you are...all of us.

All of this data is saved in a government database. All in the name of "FREEDOM"...They have to protect us from Muslims who live in caves on the other side of the world (aka terrorists)

Any rogue branch of undercover operations is undoubtedly going to be able to access these databases...The only question is...What is they're real agenda?

Suppression undoubtedly exists. They admit they are suppressing terrorism.
Do you really believe that is all they are suppressing?

They can track who you call and what you say. They can track what you view and search for online. They can track where you travel.

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The question is who are they most afraid of? Who do they consider to be the real terrorists? The Al-Qaeda types that they train and finance or the armed citizen who is willing to protect himself?
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The Federal Government is the real terrorists. They are afraid of the people one day rising up and taking away their power and control. This is why the Federal government is using all these pretexts such as terrorism, and "homeland Security" to monitor everyone and take away the peoples power.

The people just sit back and discuss the erosion of their rights and freedoms here on these types of forum boards and the truth is most of us are just too powerless to really fight the system. That's the way the Federal Government wants it..the people powerless to do anything!

However I know Karma works its magic and one day the Federal Government of the USA will be the laughing stock and highest example of a failed government in the recorded history of the world. When that day comes I will rejoice!
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Well folks, it is now official - the city of Detroit Michigan has filed for bankruptcy in the largest Chapter 9 filing in American history. And surely this is just the tip of the iceberg, with countless other large cities not far behind. I pity anyone who was dumb enough to invest in Detroit municipal bonds. This was a situation long in the making, and where poverty and crime drove away 2/3 of the city's population, leaving homes and properties on street after street vacant, abandoned, and in ruin.


Despite the resulting downsizing of Detroit's population, Detroit government has not accordingly downsized, and is one of the primary reasons why the bankruptcy was unavoidable. By 2005, the city began floating municipal bonds just to pay day-to-day expenses. Even back then, 38 cents on the dollar was going to legacy costs like retiree pensions. Now it's doubtful the pensioners or the bondholders will get their money. That's what happens when people get too greedy and try to get too much milk from the cow. Greedy unions forced the big auto companies into unprofitable territory, which placed their jobs in jeopardy and necessitated a bail-out. Greedy and corrupt politicians, elected mainly because of union PAC's, and promises to raise pay and benefits to city employees, fueled the fire that eventually burned Detroit. There's obviously a lesson to be learned from this, but how many other cities will learn anything and prevent their own bankruptcy? Probably close to none. After all, none of the politicians or union organizers will ever be held accountable for the mess they have caused, so why should they worry? They'll be perfectly happy to continue their current courses until their cities, like Detroit, are bled dry.
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They are really serious about this Survey thing

Recieved in the mail today notice that because I have not sent in the Community Survey (Authorized by the Census Bureau) which they claim to have made multiple requests (not true); they will send someone to my house to collect this information.

What will they think when I don't answer the door?

What will they think when they return and whatever they left on my porch is still there and weathered.

I don't use the front door, ever. No really!

If they send a sheriff's deputy, am I required to answer the door?

This sucks, because as a supposedly free American, I want nothing to do with these clowns.
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This sucks, because as a supposedly free American, I want nothing to do with these clowns.

You are not the first to get his survey; it has been around for quite some time. From what I hear the only questions that the constitution allows the census bureau to ask and demand that you answer, are how many people live at this address and what their ages are. Of course this does not mean that they will not try to pressure and threaten you into filling it out.

So when census worker shows up politely tell him how many people live there and their ages. Then ask him to show what part of the constitution allows him to ask the remaining questions.
You will probably be told it is census bureau rule or it is the law. But that which goes against what the constitution allows is illegal and thus any such rule or law and is automatically considered null and void as if it never existed. You might also ask if he is aware that anyone or group that attempts to restrict, limit, or modify a constitutional right that that is considered a treasonous act.
This will probably not make him a very happy camper.
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I like that...thanks!

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Regarding Detroit, it's been in trouble for years and I see all sorts of blame being thrown around as to the cause of the cities demise. Everything for the Democrats that run and control the city for years, to the black population, the Unions, the loss of tax revenue etc. I'm sure each of these things contributed to Detroit's downfall but whats scary is that Detroit is only the first city in what will soon become a string of cancerous cities to declare bankruptcy.

We could name Gary Indiana, East St. Louis, Camden N.J. and several more places. Whats sad is we all see and know the real causes of these cities declines and they are all based on lost tax base, city spending more than it has in revenue, and general poor management. Then add on top if it all the unions and the handouts that pressure the city to continue as if the money was there and you eventually even run out of credit.

Notice how Warren Buffet hasn't gone in an bought up entire blocks of land in Detroit. You know why? He is an investor wanting a return on his money and has stock holders to answer for. Investing in such a city is a losing proposition at this time.

I do feel that at some point you will see investors buying up a lot of land there to eventually redevelop it in a few decades. I mean as the population continues to grow they are not making any new land so we have to redevelop the land we already have. I personally think when the demographics change and a new administration is installed that only then will Detroit have a snow balls chance in hell.

Pretty sad when so many people rely on the government for their living with food stamps and housing, especially when the government titty itself goes dry. I wonder where or what those people will do
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James Woods rants against Obama's race speech



The actor reacted angrily to Obama's speech about race on Friday, and its focus on black teenagers rather than "ALL youth of every heritage in this country." Responding to the president's admission that he's heard the sound of car doors locking as he passed by white people, Woods unleashed a flurry of tweets, including: "The only reason people lock their car doors when Obama walks by is they are afraid he'll tax them to death."
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They will do what they always should have been doing...
They will be forced to work in order to survive.

The problem is that we incentivize people to be lazy and have babies.
Instead of making more money by working hard, they simply make more money by popping out more babies.
Why get a job and lose the welfare when you can simply pop out another kid and get a raise on your welfare check.

I know relatives of my own who will only work under the table to keep their welfare.

Its an unstoppable train. We cant cut off welfare because children will starve and by paying for kids, we are incentivizing girls to birth more kids.

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Thats great, might have to go watch one of his movies now.
Obama should be ashamed of all the race baiting he has done in this over-blown media hysteria case of trayvon martin.

If you hit someone in the face...and they shoot you...I doubt it was due to the color of your skin. But I digress.
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They will do what they always should have been doing...they will be forced to work in order to survive.
I don't quite see it that way. Yes, they will be forced to do something to take care of themselves, but it won't be through honest work. Those who live on free handouts, made available by the hard work of others, have always chosen the easiest way out, and they will continue to look for the quickest, easiest solution to problems when the handouts run dry. What that means, of course, is that they will take whatever steps they feel are necessary in order to continue their way of living, and will believe that whatever actions they take in that regard are justified. Of course that means rioting, looting of stores, home invasions, carjacking, beatings, killings, and any other crime in which
they are able to deprive others of the lifestyle they worked hard to legitimately build and maintain.
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When the time comes that welfare recipients resort to extremism to maintain their otherwise unsustainable lifestyle, those of us who wish to defend our rights, liberties, and our very lives, will find that we must also become extremists.
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Obamas license plate tells it like it really is!




Obama blatantly tells it like it is and nobody says anything. They could have mad the letters smaller to include the word NO but the truth is they dont care because the truth is they tax the people and there is no representation from the Federal Government.

The IRS scandal indicates it went to the White House yet nobody is doing anything. The former NSA chief claims the leaks have done irreversible damage when the fact is the NSA is engaged in illegal damage that if not put in check will be irreversible.

The people need to wake up to the fact that these so called measures to protect the people are using them to control the people.
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When the time comes that welfare recipients resort to extremism to maintain their otherwise unsustainable lifestyle, those of us who wish to defend our rights, liberties, and our very lives, will find that we must also become extremists.
Well said! I totally agree. When this begins to happen we will see all out war.

Both sides will be capping each other and it isn't going to be pretty for those who think it will be easy to take from those who have something. There's going to be a lot of hungry welfare babies out there with parents crying about the injustice of it all.. meaning them actually having to work for a living.
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I don't quite see it that way. Yes, they will be forced to do something to take care of themselves, but it won't be through honest work. Those who live on free handouts, made available by the hard work of others, have always chosen the easiest way out, and they will continue to look for the quickest, easiest solution to problems when the handouts run dry. What that means, of course, is that they will take whatever steps they feel are necessary in order to continue their way of living, and will believe that whatever actions they take in that regard are justified. Of course that means rioting, looting of stores, home invasions, carjacking, beatings, killings, and any other crime in which
they are able to deprive others of the lifestyle they worked hard to legitimately build and maintain.
I disagree, I think only a smaller percentage would turn to stealing for a living.

There are so many millions of people getting paid by the government, its not just he inner city ghettos anymore.

I dont believe all these people were born without ambition.
I dont believe they were born with the intention of being as lazy as possible.

I think having a free life handed to you, erodes your ambition. Think about it, they are presented with the option of working really hard for several decades then being able to retire....or hooking up with a girl, having several kids and then "retire" on the governments dime.

Don't underestimate the power of incentive. When the welfare incentive is just as good as a minimum wage job incentive...it doesnt shock me to see 47 million people on welfare (if thats the actual number?).

No one likes working. I do construction work, I love my job but I hate being sore from working. The only reason I do it, is that I get paid well.
I'm only working really hard now to be able to retire at a much earlier age than most.
Also (unlike more and more people today) I was lucky to have two parents sacrifice to give me a good private education and have a father who taught me everything he knew about contruction and taught me a good work ethic by getting me to work with him at the age of 12. Many people are not fortunate to have two parents help them get a good start in life. I dont know where I would be if I had to go through the public school system and be on my own without good parents to teach me the right path.

This is also why its so harmful to have so many girls giving birth to kids they really dont care about. Kids born from mothers who dont care and fathers who are not there.

The reason capitalism turned america into the world richest nation is that it incentived hard work.
Welfare right now is an incentive that needs to be drastically reduced. It will hurt in the short term, people will starve, but in the long run it will produce much more prosperity than poverty.

When forced to make a choice, the super majority of people will work for a living with the ambition of success. The choice they should be forced to make is work an honest living, be productive or go hungry and beg for help from family. Welfare is the middleman that prevents that choice from being made. People no longer need to work hard, or go hungry...They can just collect from the government instead.

Some people need help, but only if they are trying to help themselves.
Welfare shouldnt be a career.
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I disagree, I think only a smaller percentage [of welfare recipients] would turn to stealing for a living [when the government teat runs dry].
The greatest percentage of welfare recipients are already actively stealing from those who do work for a living. It is only a small percentage who are not, and these folks would be found to currently be temporarily without full employment but would be working whatever odd jobs they can find. They worked hard before having to temporarily rely on welfare benefits, and thus earned the right to draw those benefits when it became absolutely necessary, but for the vast majority of welfare recipients that is not the case. Most welfare recipients nowadays are second and third generation non-workers who were born into the welfare system, see it as a legitimate way of life, and feel it is properly owed to them. Even if it didn't all grind to a sudden halt, but instead came about somewhat gradually, such as with downsizing of benefits and tightening of eligibility standards, these folks will be quick to hit the streets in protest and demand that their full package of benefits be restored. When they don't get what they demand, that's when things will get ugly, and these people will turn violent. They won't just shrug their shoulders and say, "Gee, now that our benefits have been reduced I guess I'd better start looking for some work to make up for the income we've lost."

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There are so many millions of people getting paid by the government, its not just he inner city ghettos anymore. I don't believe all these people were born without ambition. I don't believe they were born with the intention of being as lazy as possible.

I think having a free life handed to you, erodes your ambition. Think about it, they are presented with the option of working really hard for several decades then being able to retire....or hooking up with a girl, having several kids and then "retire" on the governments dime.

Don't underestimate the power of incentive. When the welfare incentive is just as good as a minimum wage job incentive...it doesn't shock me to see 47 million people on welfare (if that's the actual number?).
On these thoughts, I agree with you 100%. No one is born without ambition, but the non-ambition of second and third generation welfare recipients is learned and ingrained since the moment of their birth. As infants, they are totally dependent upon their parents. As school age children they begin understanding that all the good stuff they and their parents receive comes from the welfare system. As young adults they use what they have learned to apply for the maximum amount of benefits that is possible to sustain or better their way of life, and the cycle repeats on and on. Yes, it is all about incentives. There is no incentive to work when one can choose not to work and be enabled to live as well or better than a person who does work. But taking away benefits that people have come to regard as expected and due them does not create an incentive to find honest work. It will create an incentive to make up for what they have lost, but the incentive will be to follow what others are doing that appears to work well for them - such as selling drugs, looting stores, and invading homes.

On the "47 million," that all depends upon the statistics you are looking at. In actuality, half of Americans live in a household that gets government assistance, and since we are a nation of around 330 million people that means that roughly 165 million Americans are either directly or indirectly (through their parents) receiving assistance. You may have been thinking of the 47% figure that Romney spoke of during his campaign, which takes this into consideration. He was right when he said that those 47% would have no incentive to vote anything but Democrat, so could be chalked up by Republicans as a lost cause. The biggest problem with Republicans at this time, though, is that they believe they must become more like Democrats and prove that they are the party of more and better handouts in order to win elections.

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I was lucky to have two parents sacrifice to give me a good private education and have a father who taught me everything he knew about construction and taught me a good work ethic by getting me to work with him at the age of 12.
Yes, that's the way it should be, and I'm sure you realize that your mindset is entirely different than that of 2nd and 3rd generation welfare recipients.

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The reason capitalism turned america into the world's richest nation is that it incentivized hard work. Welfare right now is an incentive that needs to be drastically reduced. It will hurt in the short term, people will starve, but in the long run it will produce much more prosperity than poverty.

When forced to make a choice, the super majority of people will work for a living with the ambition of success. The choice they should be forced to make is work an honest living, be productive or go hungry and beg for help from family. Welfare is the middleman that prevents that choice from being made. People no longer need to work hard, or go hungry...They can just collect from the government instead.

Some people need help, but only if they are trying to help themselves.
Welfare shouldn't be a career.
I can't agree that the "super majority" of current welfare recipients, when faced with a work or starve choice will choose to find honest work, but I do agree that the welfare system must change. I think there are viable ways to accomplish this change without creating angry mobs and violence. First of all, how about reducing current levels of welfare payments by just a small amount - say 10%, and then use that savings to pay 10% in additional benefits to those who can show that they have worked at least 10 hours per week on average? And don't cut a person's benefits a dollar for every dollar they earn on work over 10 hours per week. Instead, reduce benefits by just 20% of that additional earned income. That creates a true incentive to find longer work hours and better paying job opportunities. For those who currently draw, or will be signing up for unemployment benefits, assign them to perform work that is locally needed. This work could take many forms, such as picking up litter along rural highways or city streets, washing municipal vehicles such as police cars, fire engines and trucks, cutting and splitting firewood for low income heating assistance programs, and on and on. Such work would be within work crews, and must be verifiable. Those who don't report and work their assigned job and hours would have their benefits docked by the amount their work would have been valued at, and those who accumulate 40 hours of fail-to-work time during any monthly period would forfeit all further unemployment benefits until they meet the 40 hour per month assigned work requirement. As with other welfare benefits, as noted above, let these people keep most of what they earn from any additional work they find on their own, only reducing their benefit by 20% of their paid work.

As for work found for, and assigned to persons on the unemployment rolls, many people believe it would be difficult to provide enough paying jobs to those who would ask for such work, but this kind of job creation is also simple if the right techniques are used. For example, you could begin by allowing any employer, with a need to hire additional help, to pay just half the rate they currently pay to new hires if they are willing to hire someone currently listed in the unemployment rolls. They can't fire a current worker to hire the new person, but most any employer would find this offer extremely attractive. It would greatly help to revitalize and expand their business by hiring one or more new workers. It would give those workers expanded job experience, and would immediately cut government paid unemployment benefits by 50% for each job filled. If the new hire proves to be a valuable asset to the employer then it is likely the employer would keep the worker on after one year when the 50% subsidy compensation eligibility expires. Why pay someone $400 or more in weekly unemployment benefits to sit at home and do nothing when you could be paying them half that much to get out there and work? There are so many ways to arrive at a win-win scenario, and I'm sure that you would agree and could think of several more.

As you can see, creating jobs and real incentives to work is easy and is no mystery to anyone with a brain. Allowing people to keep more of what they earn, while still receiving a helpful amount of benefits, takes the penalty out of working and creates strong incentives to find more work and better paying job opportunities. At the same time, these incentives would result in markedly reduced unemployment statistics, and vastly reduced welfare program payments. Makes anyone who understands this wonder why this isn't already being done, but then of course we know why it is not, and why it probably will not be done any time in the near future. Here's why:
1. Big government wants as many people as possible to be on the dole, as this gives government power over their lives.
2. The shortest route to a socialistic New World Order is to crash the American economy, and the shortest route to doing that is to maintain, and increase, the unsustainable welfare state.
3. The ugliness and violence that will surely erupt, when the welfare payments can no longer be paid out, have long been planned for by big government and are seen by them as advantageous. It would result in sizable population reduction from famine, disease, people killing other people, and government forces killing resisters who don't like the idea of being deposed of their property or being herded into FEMA camps. It allows for a quick and massive redistribution of the wealth that still remains in private hands into the hands of the PTB, the Ruling Class. It is no accident that the DHS, a domestic authority, has a stockpile of enough ammunition to shoot every man, woman, and child 5 times over if need be, that FEMA camps are designed to keep people in rather than to keep undesirable elements out, or that government emergency food supplies are only adequate to keep the Ruling Class, their puppet government, and their supporting forces, alive for a sustained period of time. Everyone else will be on their own.
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NY food stamp recipients are shipping welfare-funded groceries to relatives in Jamaica, Dominican Republic and Haiti
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I dont want food-stamp police to see what people do with their rice and beans, but its wrong, Tanner told The Post.
The purpose of this program is to help Americans who dont have enough to eat. This is not intended as a form of foreign aid.

The United States spent $522.7 million on foreign aid to the Caribbean last fiscal year, government data show.

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Latest news on 9/11....

The World Trade Center owners have failed in their attempt to collect $3.5 billion in damages from United Airlines, US Airways, American Airlines and its parent company, AMR. Lawyers for the owners had claimed that the airlines should be held liable for allowing terrorists to board their planes on 9/11. Attorney Roger Podesta, who represented the airline companies, argued that making aviation companies pay would amount to double compensation. Insurance payouts to the owners had already amounted to $5 billion. In ruling against the owners, developer Larry Silverstein and World Trade Center Properties, Judge Hellerstein cited state laws that bar "windfalls and double recovery on the same loss." Lawyers for the owners say they will appeal the decision.

I'd say that most of us are familiar with Larry Silverstein, a real estate developer who had taken out a 99 year lease on the World Trade Center complex for $3.2 billion just 6 months before the 9/11 incidents. But who are the other "owners" spoken of in this court case? Well, here are the facts:


World Trade Center Properties, LLC is an affiliate of Silverstein Properties Inc., of which Larry A. Silverstein is president
The directing corporate officers are:
John (Janno) N. Lieber Senior VP/Project Director
David Worsley Director of Construction
Edmund A. Narbutas Vice President/Design

The corporate officers can be assumed to have an interest in any gains made by Silverstein, in the form of gains on shares which they hold. Likewise, the two investors who helped Larry acquire the lease (Lloyd Goldman and Joseph Cayre) would also have an interest, but Silverstein would obviously be considered to have sole ownership rights of the complex, other than the ground which the buildings sit upon, which is owned by and leased from the Port Authority.

Now at first glance, it would seem that the insurance payout of $5 billion, minus the $3.2 billion lease amount, gave Silverstein a $1.8 billion profit, but his actual profit was far more than that because the $3.2 billion amount was to be paid over a 99 year lease period. The original amount paid by Silverstein and his investors was just $124 million!

It is interesting, as well as informative, to note that other real estate investors had either gone bankrupt, or had totally shied away from having anything to do with investing in the WTC complex, and for good reason. The following gacts were uncovered by the Arctic Beacon Investigative Jounal, and are verifiable.
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It was well-known by the city of New York that the WTC was an asbestos bombshell. For years, the Port Authority treated the [Twin Towers] buildings like an aging dinosaur, attempting on several occasions to get permits to demolish the buildings for liability reasons, but being turned down due to the known asbestos problem. Further, it was well-known the only reason the buildings were still standing until 9/11 was because it was too costly to disassemble the twin towers floor by floor since the Port Authority was prohibited legally from demolishing the buildings.
Furthermore, asbestos removal had been mandated by building inspectors, and the total cost for asbestos removal from the towers had been estimated at $200 million, which represented a full year of revenues if the complex was fully rented out. Independent investigations have disclosed that much of the twin towers were in fact unoccupied on 9/11, so these necessary revenues would have been more than just difficult to come by. What kind of investors would even consider pumping $124 million into a building complex plagued by such overwhelming problems? The logical answer, it would seem, is investors who were investing in a sure scheme to not only recoup their original investment, but also reap a humongous settlement from what would later ensue from planned demolition blamed on terrorist attacks.

To me, it is more than just amazing that, considering all the facts of the matter, the insurance company (Swiss Re) was made to pay anything at all to Silverstein, but that's the American inJustice system for you. Silverstein had insisted on including coverage "for loss due to terrorism" in his insurance policy. The policy was to pay $3.2 billion, the full amount of the 99 year lease agreement, and Silverstein later demanded twice that amount, saying that the losses sustained were the result of two separate terrorist incidents. The "justice" system agreed, and Swiss Re was ordered to pay up, though an agreement was reached at roughly $5 billion. I often wonder whether Swiss Re brought up the above noted facts in court concerning the need and desire to demolish the Twin Towers, whether they brought up the fact that Silverstein had admitted on videotape that the order had been given to "pull" (level or raze by demolition) building 7, or if Swiss Re had challenged a payout on the basis that the towers, as well as WTC building 7, were the only steel reinforced buildings in history to have been said to have "collapsed" due to fire damage. Swiss Re probably thought that challenging a payout on these grounds would backfire on them since it contradicted the "official" story of the 9/11 incidents, and agreeing to pay $5 billion undoubtedly looked better to them than having to pay $6.4 billion.

It is astonishing that Larry Silverstein, after making such a windfall on the WTC complex, would pursue a court case against the airlines in hopes of collecting another $3.5 billion. Of course if he were to eventually win such a reward, he would be up by roughly $8.5 billion, which is enough to recoup the total amount of the reconstruction costs of the new buildings (claimed to be $7.2 billion) and leave Larry with a cool $1.3 billion profit. Nice work if you can get it, huh?
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Oppose any bailout of Detroit!

Sign this petition to show you oppose any effort by Congress to bail out Detroit Michigan on the backs of US taxpayers. It seems rather obvious that someone in the White House or in Congress will soon be telling us that Detroit, once the 4th largest city in the US, is simply "too big to fail," and must therefore be bailed out. Detroit's municipal debt now stands at $18 billion, which represents a staggering $25,000 debt for every man, woman, and child currently remaining in Detroit. Bailing out investors who purchased Detroit municipal debt bonds, when it should have been quite apparent that Detroit was unstable and would soon default on those bond payments, is an idea that simply throws good "money" after bad, and really solves nothing but the plight of investors who made bad investment decisions and deserve nothing in compensation for those choices. Detroit's problems didn't just occur overnight - they have been many years in the making, and steadily growing worse for at least a decade. Anyone with a brain could see this coming even years ago, so let the chips lie where they fall. Send Congress a very loud NO to any municipal bailouts.
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Sign this petition to show you oppose any effort by Congress to bail out Detroit Michigan on the backs of US taxpayers. It seems rather obvious that someone in the White House or in Congress will soon be telling us that Detroit, once the 4th largest city in the US, is simply "too big to fail," and must therefore be bailed out. Detroit's municipal debt now stands at $18 billion, which represents a staggering $25,000 debt for every man, woman, and child currently remaining in Detroit. Bailing out investors who purchased Detroit municipal debt bonds, when it should have been quite apparent that Detroit was unstable and would soon default on those bond payments, is an idea that simply throws good "money" after bad, and really solves nothing but the plight of investors who made bad investment decisions and deserve nothing in compensation for those choices. Detroit's problems didn't just occur overnight - they have been many years in the making, and steadily growing worse for at least a decade. Anyone with a brain could see this coming even years ago, so let the chips lie where they fall. Send Congress a very loud NO to any municipal bailouts.
Isn't that about the same amount of money ($25,000.00 US Dollars) that each person still remaining in the USA would have to pay to cover the Federal budget debt? Not counting all the other debt that is owed.

Seems odd that Detroit has gone bankrupt but the federal government hasn't, oh thats right the Feds can print their own money were as other states and governments cannot. Must be nice to have such a mafia like control on so many people simply out of coercion, intimidation, and flat out penalties and punishment like the Federal government has over the people it supposedly serves.
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Odd isn't it .... the WORLD population is 7.1 billion HUMANS existing on the earth.

The United States national debt is almost 17 TRILLION dollars ......

I'm not totally positive .... but isn't that split up about $2,300.00 (USD) for every man, woman and child, old to just born, white, black, brown, red and green, for every human that creepith and walks the EARTH ?????

I think this is a lot of friggen MONEY the United States owes looking at the LARGER picture .......

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