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Taxes getting on your nerves? You fundamentally have to understand that what is being taxed is your incomes in monetary terms.
You do not want to be taxed, dont accept money as a payment.
A tax attorney friend told me years ago about something like "constructive
income" that barter, property or whatever else that is considered to be
received whether it is claimed or not is taxable. It was something like
that anyway.

I don't see how it could ever be inforced for simple barter because there
is almost never any paperwork on it.
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Much easier said than done. Without money in hand, what will you do after you load up your shopping cart with groceries and arrive at the checkout? What will you do when your car requires a gas refill? What will you do when you require any other goods and services that can only be purchased with money? And if you don't accept money as payment for goods or services that you have supplied to others, then what would you accept as an alternative to money? To think that you could possibly barter trade for everything you need is not realistically possible. Try it next time you go shopping, and see how far you get with the cashier or store owner.
Well there is not much we can do about the abuse of monetary policy is there? There are people that talk about backing the currency with gold, how will that work? How much gold can a dollar buy today? Then again will it not flunctuate in value all the time. Basically, the economic development of a country is based on the value of the currency and the competency of the debt market. The rules are always bent all the time because currency backed by nothing really does not mean nothing. Thinking that a country like Haiti is poor for any other reason than that of an inefficient debt market and a resulting feeble currency is plain silly. Hernando de Soto of Peru showed how by giving the people the simple concept of property rights, people now had the means to open businesses and live a more prosperous life.
So yes, we need to retrace our steps and think of ASSETS, thats if you really serious about taking back this country from the Fed, IRS and the likes. This fiat money thing has gotten things pretty messy.
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@ Mozaar - You haven't answered the questions. Without some form of payment that will be readily and universally accepted by others, what will you do?
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Hi folks, Hi rickoff, Hi mozaar. You have some good thoughts mozaar. Rickoff, I understand your views and im sure im not going to dazzle you with anything you may not already know, however when all is said and done, if each of us does not give freely our labor, time and ideas that would benefit the good of all, then one will continue to live in a reality field such as this one. Money or debt as the case is today, or any other intermediary tool which functions as an exchange device between humans will always devolve into the situation we experience today. Now as far as what will one do when at the grocery store, simple, take what is rightfully yours by divine inheritance. After all, nothing can truly be paid for since all we have is promise to pays or debt notes, therefore it must already be paid for and it truly is. Do we honestly believe that food grown by mother earth and fed with the energies of the cosmos can be claimed ownership by any one individual here on this planet. And this same idea applies to everything you see and the resultant energy of thought that manifested it all.
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Rickoff, I understand your views and im sure im not going to dazzle you with anything you may not already know, however when all is said and done, if each of us does not give freely our labor, time and ideas that would benefit the good of all, then one will continue to live in a reality field such as this one.
Yes, that's true, but the reality is that not everyone will do that. Many will prefer to do nothing beneficial for themselves, their family, or society, as is the case now. Furthermore, I am talking about what is relevant to our situation now, and not at some idealistic time many decades in the future. One can not live today in the manner that you or Mozaar suggest, and not likely for quite some time to come.

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Now as far as what will one do when at the grocery store, simple, take what is rightfully yours by divine inheritance. After all, nothing can truly be paid for since all we have is promise to pays or debt notes, therefore it must already be paid for and it truly is.
Tell that to the cashier or store manager. And what would be their incentive to stay in business if you and everyone else went back every day to take what you feel "is rightfully yours?" Someone worked hard to grow and harvest that food, another brought it to market, and the grocer has a tangible investment in those items. All those who have made the food available to us deserve credit for their hard work. In simply walking in to the store and taking those items, what have you done to deserve them? I can understand if you are willing to exchange something that you have, or are willing to do something for these groceries, but surely it would not be fair unless the grocer agrees to such an exchange. I can understand and appreciate a community "farmer's market" concept, where everyone brings something to exchange for something else they want, but the idea of simply taking what you want, without a fair exchange, is akin to robbery.

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Do we honestly believe that food grown by mother earth and fed with the energies of the cosmos can be claimed ownership by any one individual here on this planet. And this same idea applies to everything you see and the resultant energy of thought that manifested it all.
The food grows largely on its own, with the help of nature, but someone has to till the soil, plant the seeds, pull the weeds, nurture the plants, harvest them, and bring them to market to make them available to others. The bounty they harvest is the product of their work, not yours. If they had not done that work, the food would not exist, so of course they have the right to do with it as they wish, just as you would had you produced it. If people could not exchange their produce or products for other items, or for some viable credits to use in procuring what they want, then few people would grow any more produce, or create any more products, than they actually need to meet their own needs. The idea of simply taking whatever you want, whenever you want, and wherever you see it, will never fly. If you really favor this approach, why don't you open the front door to your house, and invite the first dozen people who walk by to come in and help themselves to whatever they want. Would you do that? And if you did, would you then expect that your neighbor across the street should then welcome you into his home and allow you to take whatever you want? Come on now, let's be serious!
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Hi rickoff, of course i fully expected that would be your response and I understand how that perspective has been cultivated in our world. There isn't much more that I will say without taking a side or polarity because the only way this can be changed is by a completely different method similar to what i speak. Whether or not one can envision how this way of life can work is not the issue, for i think the dysfunction of our current societal systems speak for me. It is not in my intention to convey any disrespect in my text, please be assured i respect every souls thoughts without judgment. You reply that what i say would never work because not enough people would do the same and share all their labor and ideas freely. This is probably the case, however it reminds me of stage syndrome, where everyone waits for others to get on the dance stage for fear of whatever there fears may be. That is akin to saying we shouldn't help others in whatever way we may be able to help or merely smile at someone or hold a door open for fear nobody else will do similar things. I'm not asking anyone here to agree with me, all i wish to do is offer a different idea, nothing more or less.
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Hi, a few more thoughts to add. I will now speak more about the practicality of my ideas which are not new, nor owned by any one individual. Since we've all engaged in the challenge of this world by deciding to be born, most don't have the ability at this time to instantly manifest all there basic needs, nor do most have replicator devices which would do similar things. So we are all learning by first hand experience and through other peoples experiences how certain ideas play out and we learn how certain ideas either act in harmony with life or not and we take notes. My notes show me that most interactions that involve goods and services have been created with ideas that attempt to prevent the very thought of the ideas i am speaking of, which is to basically share freely. After all, that is where everything starts, as a thought. You may notice my way of speaking of these issues, it is not needed to look at the details of the dysfunctional systems of thought, because that would never solve the issues since we would then be entertaining a system of thought that is fruitless for the good of all. Though you say this is idealistic and not practical, i can tell you the way the societal systems are at present are not practical and without the unseen balancing force that most humans have chosen to forget about during their experience here, the quality of human life would have been grim.
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I understand your philosophy, Tyson, and it's fine by me if you choose to live that way, but in reality is that what you currently practice? I'm all for sharing ideas, knowledge, labors to achieve a common cause, and also to freely share resources which I may have an over abundance of at any particular time. I have no problem with that, and it is how I have lived my life. What I can't agree with is your idea that it is okay to take whatever you want, whenever you want it, and wherever you see it, without reservation, thinking that it is somehow your right. That's the kind of thing that happens when you see a complete breakdown of morals, such as in the looting that took place after hurricane Katrina. I can't believe that you live that way now, or that you would welcome that kind of change. I asked you two pertinent questions at the bottom of post #305, regarding your take what you want philosophy, and you did not answer either of them. I ask them again. Please answer. If you really favor this approach, why don't you open the front door to your house, and invite the first dozen people who walk by to come in and help themselves to whatever they want. Would you do that? And if you did, would you then expect that your neighbor across the street should then welcome you into his home and allow you to take whatever you want? Here's another question - just how much are you willing to freely share with everyone else? In other words, is there a limit to what you would be willing to freely share with others, and if so then how would you stipulate and enforce that limit?

I'm not attempting to provoke any kind of argument with you, Tyson, but rather I am asking serious and relevant questions as to how the lifestyle you propose could possibly work.

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Hi folks, Hi rickoff, Hi mozaar. You have some good thoughts mozaar. Rickoff, I understand your views and I'm sure I'm not going to dazzle you with anything you may not already know, however when all is said and done, if each of us does not give freely our labor, time and ideas that would benefit the good of all, then one will continue to live in a reality field such as this one. Money or debt as the case is today, or any other intermediary tool which functions as an exchange device between humans will always devolve into the situation we experience today. Now as far as what will one do when at the grocery store, simple, take what is rightfully yours by divine inheritance. After all, nothing can truly be paid for since all we have is promise to pays or debt notes, therefore it must already be paid for and it truly is. Do we honestly believe that food grown by mother earth and fed with the energies of the cosmos can be claimed ownership by any one individual here on this planet. And this same idea applies to everything you see and the resultant energy of thought that manifested it all.
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That is not going to work as it is stealing someone else's labor. Farmers sow the land put in their time make sure the crop is well managed within the limits of their control. The way the Amish live is a better way to live than the way we are all living today, for everyone has their part to do in the community, and when something bad happens to one or more of them, like a tornado strike, the whole group pulls together and rebuilds those that lost their homes a new home. The main thing there is you keep a strick check on greed, and no money changers are allowed (bankers, and the like). Now there is more to it than that but they live and are growing in numbers totally without government aid. And they have real accountability unlike our broken system where there is none for the Ruling Class.

Our tax system is just fine if it where to be correctly adhered too, and if the missing 13th amendment is put in place and the rule of law up held America will weed out these money changers and their cohorts.
Now if you where to come into my place of business and just load up and proceed out the door for some sort of birth right argument you may well end up dead after I am done with you. This country has what is known as a Constitution and Bill of rights, and is governed by the rule of law. All forms of birth rights belong to a Kings/queens society where freedom is given by the state and can be taken away. In our Republic we are free just as long as we follow the rule of law. We are not a Democracy as many believe we are today, and the two forms of government are not the same. The missing thirteenth amendment is not perfect as the part where congress can vote in changes if they diem fit has to be stricken from the record as the money changes will use that to get things back to the way things are today, massive public looting, and zero accountability, and far too large a government than the Republic needs and is required to have by any measure. But mostly the citizens of America do not know their rights and/or responsibilities to the Republic. What does it mean to be a citizen? It is a lot of hard work to really be a citizen of the United States of America, and people with birth right expectations, don't want to work for anything, they just want to take and/or be given a silver spoon through life. No, being a true citizen of the Republic requires work of it's citizens to make sure it runs the way it was intended to run by it's founding fathers. Complacent, and lazy citizens have let our country be put on a count down to it's demise by the Ruling Class, we know have just 21-1/2 months to the end of the Republic if they have their way. Plus in there plan the Republic will fall by way of thunderous applause, just like shown in the Star Wars movies. Once they crash the dollar and you and others like you start to really suffer you will accept their solution to getting your life back to the way things where and even demand it from them. This will come in a new form of currency that will replace the fallen Dollar, but there is a hidden catch to it, it requires the end of the Republic and the creation of the North American Union or what ever name they choose to give it. This new form of government has already been drafted and is just awaiting acceptance of it's currency. Acceptance of it's currency is acceptance of it's new rules of governance. Welcome to the reality of our life today as this plan is being put into action you the average citizen will just be given mass amounts of high quality entertainment, and that includes the News your receive, and then have that rug pulled out from under your feet at the end of the boat ride. This may sound harsh but it is the reality in which we live in today, the war against the Republic is a silent and vastly unknown war. The citizens of the Republic do not even know they are under attack, by the money changers and their cohorts. This thread attempts to shed light on this unusual war being waged against the citizens of the Republic of the United States of America. WAKE UP! For now is the time to ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country for your country is under attack, and the enemy is hidden in plain sight.


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Hi folks, Hi h20power, h20power, im not sure your reading or understanding what i have been posting, but i can assure you i understand fully there agenda and if you notice i am pointing out that money in any form is not a good idea. Rickoff, why you wish to take things to the extreme tells me something about you, im only offering an idea and that idea is to share freely, now if folks cant get there minds around this simple concept, then i cant help that. Heck if we cant even speak about how sharing freely could work, how will it ever be a reality in your world. All that needs to be said has been said, good luck.
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Rickoff, why you wish to take things to the extreme tells me something about you, im only offering an idea and that idea is to share freely
Why do you consider reality to be an extreme, and those who speak of realities as being extremists? You espoused a philosophy of taking whatever you want whenever and wherever you want it as being your right. I think that is an extremist view. That has nothing to do with sharing, unless you are willing to admit that what you would take from others who don't share your point of view would result in forced and inequitable sharing (your supermarket example, for instance). How is the concept of allowing anyone to come into your house and take whatever they want (your food, your hard earned belongings, your treasured family heirlooms, your children, or your wife) any different than your idea of freely taking whatever you want at the grocery store? Certainly you must agree that there must be limits upon what is acceptable, and those limits would need to be established, understood, and agreeable to most people. And that is why we have societies, rules and laws. Without order there is only chaos.

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No one is attempting to prevent you from speaking about how your philosophy could work. In fact, I asked you to explain how it would work under certain conditions and you have no answer. When you won't even answer legitimate questions, there is no way that anyone can have an intelligent discussion with you. Offering a solution to the problem we have been discussing in this thread, that is different than what we have been talking about is fine, but if you believe in your ideas then be willing to answer legitimate questions and concerns that others may have. If you are not willing to do this then of course there is no way that your philosophy can be advanced to the point of becoming a reality. I'm quite willing to listen with an open mind if you will be open enough to freely share some real answers.

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No one decides to be born. We all know how babies are made and then come into the world through a natural process.

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Your right;we say it is idealistic and impractical because it is. With all due respect it takes systems (including monetary systems) to manage things in the complicated world we live in. The real problem is twofold, the corrupt people in the system and an evil force in the world which many apparently fail to recognize.

You are talking about living in a utopia which has not existed on earth to any large degree since Adam and Eve were removed from the Garden. The Essenes tried it and the Romans wiped them out. Jesus brought a message of peace, love and light and look what happened to him. He did not tell his disciples to sit back and receive a "divine inheritance" (and anyone trying to walk out of a store with a load of merchandise they haven't paid for will be served their "divine inheritance" through the bars of their cell). He told them to get to work and spread the gospel, not sit around just meditating and praying, and he lived in a system far worse than ours.

I think that is the pattern he left; use the system at hand and do your best to improve it and help your fellow man along the way as much as you can; get to work and if you are fortunate enough or smart enough to be an above average success, take care of your family first and then share the rest with others. And yes, pray for help to make this world better for all of us and then put feet to your prayers.

Someone once said "all that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing". This thread is exposing evil in high places and pointing out how to combat it. The old saying of "lead, follow or get out of the way" applies. Use the precinct system to start. Attend these meetings and share your message of peace, love and light there, then use your vote to get rid of the corrupt politicos and start turning this country around, back to the principles it was founded on. Then we can all live whatever lifestyle we choose more openly and freely. That's the reality we all live in and the only one that counts.


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Let us talk about the video I gave to you to watch, what did you get out of it? Lets open up a dialog to see your view points of just what America is. I hope you took the time to watch the video as we can have no dialog if you didn't.

Citizenship is almost like water as the vast majority of us take it for granted. What does it mean to be a citizen? What are the duties of the citizens?

And if your looking for someone to give to his fellow man look no further as I have given what I think is going to be the greatest gifts of all to mankind, the gift of energy independence.


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@ Mozaar - You haven't answered the questions. Without some form of payment that will be readily and universally accepted by others, what will you do?
I have worked in the financial industry long enough to know that there is a market for everything. So if one would not accept your peanuts, another will and probaly give an asset that the other would accept. Something like that.
This kind of sounds stone age even to me,but money is what is is, nothing. We will readily put an end to it when the time comes.



I finally got to read the Precint Strategy and like I believed at the time you mentioned it, it is a very good idea.Intelligent. But it is patchwork. Representatives sent to the circus in Washington could be swept up with whatever is going down there. I have not heard anything major coming out of Washington save the audit on the Fed. And thats led by Ron Paul. Please share what these representatives chosen via the Precint Strategy have done now that they are voted in.
What I see happening in the future is that all barriers will break down. It is a long drawn out process as more and more people would be simply dissatisfied with the way things going in their own individual lives. When that happens the world will be peaceful and live in harmony. Yes, it will be done without any new rules. I am not apocalyptic like some people suggesting 2012 would be then end of all times. I am just saying divine law is already penetrating this world and changes are currently taking place. You just need to be connected to it through prayer and meditation.
Those impatient for change in there lives will ultimately need to pick up arms and fight and would need new rules for the society they wish to change. This is how it happens all the time. If you really want to see changes in the short term, its a neccesity to carry a big stick. Common sense logic just does not pick up any steam. However, the love of yourself and others as yourself will and it will not be by physical force or threat of harm. Its not an easy short term solution either, it will take time.
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Hi Ash;

Thanks for the link. Stiller is really good. This one on tally sticks is even more interesting as it shows the power and long term effect of government issued money as against "borrowed from the bankers" money.

YouTube - SR 10 January 9, 2010 Still Report

President Lincoln printed greenbacks with the same effect per previous post by Rick.
Unfortunately he paid the ultimate price for scuttling the bankers.

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Nice finding, this Video, Ash and so true.
"All we need to get is Education and take away our silver Slippers."
It even sounds like, we all are allready henpecked.
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Your right. That's how "toxic securities" got passed around. That went well, didn't it!

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This is not patchwork and it is not just an idea. It is the current system and is how every local and state government puts up candidates for local and state offices and sends rep's. to the national conventions to nominate presidential candidates. They are controlled by state committees elected by precinct members. The trick is to wrest control of the committees away from the powerful elite that now control them and send their people to Washington. Look at the record of your own congressmen if you want to see what they are doing, that's how they got there. Does their record meet with your approval or would you rather have someone in those positions that do as you wish? If yes then get involved.

This will not be a short term solution as these people will fight with every low-down trick in their playbook, but enough people are fed up that I think it will happen, maybe sooner than later. Watch the Mass. elections this week; they will be a harbinger of the future. If enough people "see the light", they will turn on those leaders at the precinct level in many states and force a major change in the system by replacing them. There is already a "grassroots groundswell" to that end here in Florida led by TEA party people and Ron Paul supporters. I suggest you get involved in your local precinct now so your vote can help bring about that change in your area. It's easy; you can find info. on your local Demo./Rep. precinct from Google.

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These guys beat them..the SYSTEM can.
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All as they need to do is AUDIT the FED to enull the debt (it will be shown to be non legit) then show the system which creates security for this, printing our own money (Governments)

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I finally got to read the Precint Strategy and like I believed at the time you mentioned it, it is a very good idea.Intelligent. But it is patchwork. Representatives sent to the circus in Washington could be swept up with whatever is going down there. I have not heard anything major coming out of Washington save the audit on the Fed. And thats led by Ron Paul. Please share what these representatives chosen via the Precint Strategy have done now that they are voted in.
Your above statement leads me to believe that you either did not actually read about the Precinct Strategy, or that you did not correctly comprehend what it is all about. This is a current and ongoing strategy. The representatives in Washington were placed in office by the 2008 and earlier elections, whereas the ones who find their way to Washington because of Precinct Strategy efforts will be elected in the 2010 and 2012 elections. They aren't there yet, but we can make it happen if we get involved in the strategy. Please take a few minutes to watch this video about the Precinct Strategy, and then tell me if you think it is a worthy plan that you would be willing to get involved in. Remember - in 2010 we have the opportunity to replace 435 Congressmen, and about 1/3 of our 100 senators. Replacing them with anybody new would be better than keeping the ones we have now, but replacing them with people of integrity could accomplish all of the government reform that we so desperately need in order to set things straight. So think about it - do you really want positive change? If so, please get involved. 2010 is already here, and time is ticking.

YouTube - The Precinct Project - THE Strategy That Will Allow Us To Take Back Control of Our Elections

This strategy will work if we do our part. Read this story of a group in Nevada who used this strategy to take control of their local precinct: New Page 1


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Old 01-18-2010, 07:40 AM
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This one on tally sticks is even more interesting as it shows the power and long term effect of government issued money as against "borrowed from the bankers" money.

YouTube - SR 10 January 9, 2010 Still Report

President Lincoln printed greenbacks with the same effect per previous post by Rick.
Yes, and so did President Kennedy. It is quite interesting to note that, only one day after Kennedy's assassination, all the United States notes which Kennedy had issued (more than 4 billion dollars) were called out of circulation. All of the money President Kennedy had created was destroyed, and not a word was said to the American people. Read more about Lincoln and Kennedy here:
http://www.energeticforum.com/75187-post182.html


The latest Still Report, done January 17, is available now.
YouTube - SR 11 Why Government Is Good.mov
You will notice that, at the end, Bill Still calls for us to kick out all the "weasels" currently in Washington, and take back control of our government. And we can do that with the Precinct Strategy. It really is the only peaceful strategy that can bring about positive near term change.

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Old 01-19-2010, 06:49 PM
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The Fat Cat Banker Bonuses

Thanks to government mandated (though widely opposed), taxpayer funded bailouts of large banks that we were told were "too big to fail," these banks thrived in 2009 and many of them made so much gains that they have now paid off their bailout loan so as to avoid new regulations that would put limits on bonuses. Here's what Yale Law professor Jonathan Macey had to say about this in The Wall Street Journal:

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"We are on the cusp of what is going to be the most highly visible and contentious bank bonus season in history. Bonuses are predicted to run into the billions of dollars, and many of the banks that got the most bailout money are paying the biggest bonuses. The two issues [bonuses and bailouts] are intimately related and as long as the administration continues down its too-big-to-fail regulatory path, Mr. Obama will stay in the business of paying huge bonuses to fat cat bankers.
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Old 01-19-2010, 07:05 PM
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Government's cure for unemployment?


Due to the current financial situation caused by the slowdown in the economy, Congress has decided to implement a scheme to put workers of 50 years of age and above on early retirement, thus creating jobs and reducing unemployment.

This scheme will be known as RAPE (Retire Aged People Early).

Persons selected to be RAPED can apply to Congress to be considered for the SHAFT program (Special Help After Forced Termination).

Persons who have been RAPED and SHAFTED will be reviewed under the SCREW program (System Covering Retired-Early Workers).

A person may be RAPED once, SHAFTED twice and SCREWED as many times as Congress deems appropriate.

Persons who have been RAPED could get AIDS (Additional Income for Dependants & Spouse) or HERPES (Half Earnings for Retired Personnel Early Severance).

Obviously persons who have AIDS or HERPES will not be SHAFTED or SCREWED any further by Congress.

Persons who are not RAPED and are staying on will receive as much SH*T (Special High Intensity Training) as possible. Congress has always prided
themselves on the amount of SH*T they give our citizens.

Should you feel that you do not receive enough SH*T, please bring this to the attention of your Congressman, who has been trained to give you all the SH*T you can handle.

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Wow, that pretty much sums it all up into a nice and tidy package and it fits on one page too.


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Old 01-19-2010, 08:57 PM
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aka: Money Changers, Banksters, Lawyers and Weeds

"The truth is heavy therefore few care to carry it"


The following are from "Text Comments" of
YouTube - "The Secret of Oz" trailer - How to Fix the 2010 Depression - directed by Bill Still



bstill3 (1 month ago)
Our problem is we haven't tended the garden of our Republic and so weeds have literally taken over. All we need to do is to understand this analogy and fix it. We have let them steal our government and now we are paying the price.


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This is the sort of half-thinking that leaves mired in the bankers' plans. Julius Caesar did NOT say NO to the bankers. Where did you come up with that fiction?

See:
Coins of Rome about Parthia:
Julius Caesar (49-44 B.C.)

Julius Caesar (49-44 B.C.)

Money in Ancient Times
46 BC - Upon his triumphant return to Rome in 46 BC, Julius Caesar showered his army with gold coins: 200 coins for every common solder, 400 for every centurion, and 800 each for every tribune. Caesar commissioned substantial gold minting assignments for the payment.

Oesterreichische Nationalbank*-*Money in Ancient Times

Patrick S. J. Carmack
The Money Changers

3. MONEY CHANGING IN THE ROMAN EMPIRE
But the money-changing scam did not originate in Jesus' day.
Two hundred years before Christ, Rome was having trouble with its Money Changers.
Two early Roman emperors had tried to diminish the power of the Money Changers by reforming usury laws and limiting land ownership to 500 acres. Both were assassinated.

In 48 BC, Julius Caesar took back from the Money Changers the power to coin money and then minted coins for the benefit of all. With this new, plentiful supply of money, he built great public works. By making money plentiful, Caesar won the love of the common people. But the Money Changers hated him. Some believe this was an important factor in Caesar's assassination.

One thing is for sure: with the death of Caesar came the demise of plentiful money in Rome. Taxes increased, as did corruption.
Eventually the Roman money supply was reduced by 90 per cent.
As a result, the common people lost their lands and homes-just as has happened and will happen again in America to the few who still own their own land and homes.

The-money-changers-ch2-5.

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Old 01-19-2010, 10:27 PM
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Finding Information about your local precinct

My own experience with the Precinct Strategy so far has shown that the hardest part is simply finding the local nuts and bolts information that you need in order to get started. The following should help others:

The toughest part of implementing the Precinct Strategy is to find information about your local precinct (where and when precinct meetings are held, etc.) and the rules governing how people can run for office of precinct executive, precinct captain, or precinct committeeman. Getting this information can be difficult, because those in the know don't want us to know. Generally, to vote for precinct officers one must have attended at least 2 precinct meetings before the one in which voting takes place. To run for a precinct officer position, you need to obtain signatures (usually 10) of registered voters living in your local precinct who support your candidacy, and these must be people registered in the same party you are running for a position in. You must obtain the signatures on a precinct approved form, and submit them by a designated deadline date in order to have your name on the precinct ballot. Voting on that ballot normally occurs during a state primary election, but may be at another designated time. The currently installed officers don't want us to know anything about precinct meetings, candidacy rules, or voting procedures, so we have to really dig to come up with that information.

The first place to look for information is to find the Yahoo group for your state's Precinct Strategy network. Look here: Yahoo! Groups: Search Results
Find the group for your state and join, then contact members to ask for the information you need.

Also, check with your state government website. Here it is Maine.gov, and other states would be listed similarly. At Maine.gov I can find a link to a Voter Information Lookup page that tells me what Ward and Precinct I live in. With that information, you can contact the Municipal Clerk at your town hall and ask for information on obtaining your voting precinct map, and who you might contact regarding precinct meeting information. If the clerk is unable to help you, contact the State Election Board for your state. Here it is the Maine Elections Division in Augusta, Maine. They should be able to provide information to you, including what the requirements are to run for local precinct executive, precinct captain, or precinct committeeman. A Google search will help you find your state Election Division, and you may also find this listed on your State Government website.

Here is a link that may help you find your local Election Board office. This link is for Maine, but after clicking the link simply remove ME from the end of the address shown in your web browser and substitute your two letter postal state abbreviation, then hit your Enter key. Project Vote Smart - Local Election Offices

Another excellent resource, explaining what information you need, and how to find it is here: http://www.networkamerica.org/FAQ.htm

The Precinct Strategy really does work, and a great example of this, showing how ordinary citizens in Las Vegas successfully implemented the strategy, can be found here: New Page 1

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Federal Judge Carter sets Trial Date for Obama's Presidential Eligibility hearing?

Note: I'm not at all certain that the following story is true. It is widely posted on the Internet, but could be simply a disinformation campaign meant to discredit legitimate "birther" arguments and evidence by making false statements that appear to support the "birther" stance. This is what I am beginning to suspect, because snopes.com says this is a false rumor. The court case was real, but snopes says that Judge Carter dismissed the case.

snopes.com: Judge Carter Orders Obama to Prove Eligibility


The Internet circulated story goes like this:

"The expedited trial has been set for Jan. 26, 2010!

Many concerned veterans and citizens attended the hearing in Federal Court in Santa Ana in the lawsuit against Barack Obama to determine his eligibility to be President and Commander in Chief. About 150 people showed up, almost all in support of the lawsuit to demand that Obama release his birth certificate and other records that he has hidden from the American people.

Judge David Carter refused to hear Obama's request for dismissal. He indicated there was almost no chance that this case would be dismissed. Obama is arguing this lawsuit was filed in the wrong court if you can believe that. Obama would prefer a "kangaroo court" instead of a Federal court! Assuming Judge Carter denies Obama's motion for dismissal, he will likely then order expedited discovery which will force Obama to release his birth certificate in a timely manner (if he has one).

The judge, WHO IS A FORMER U.S. MARINE, repeated several times that this is A VERY SERIOUS CASE which must be resolved quickly so that the troops know that their Commander in Chief is eligible to hold that position and issue lawful orders to our military in this time of war. He basically said OBAMA MUST PROVE HIS ELIGIBILITY to the court! He said Americans deserve to know the truth about their President!

The two U.S. Attorneys representing Barack Obama tried everything they could to sway the judge that this case was frivolous, but Carter would have none of it and cut them off several times. Obama's attorneys left the courtroom after the 90 minute hearing looking defeated and nervous.

Great day in America for the U.S. Constitution! The truth about Barack Obama's eligibility will be known fairly soon - Judge Carter practically guaranteed it!"
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I'd like to know what PASSPORT Obama/Soetoro was using when he was
visiting Pakastan at a time when it was illegal for American citizens to visit
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This is ridiculous:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...tive_order.pdf

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