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Old 05-30-2011, 07:55 AM
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Now that I am thinking about this, I have a couple more random thoughts:

The free energy community should consider the merits of truly anonymous message board software similar to 4chan, used by the infamous "Anonymous" to organize real world protests with no centralized planning.

One non-obvious advantage of having anonymous discussions is that people's egos are less likely to get in the way. If one wants to be known as the savior who developed free energy technology, one is more likely to keep secrets and pick fights with others who do not hold exactly the same views. What is needed now is a selfless desire to see humanity throw off the shackles of the global industrial capitalist society and save the earth and all life on it from the endless greed of those that are driven by only profit margins.

There really needs to be a combination of the wiki style where anyone can edit or provide information, and the bittorrent method of distribution which removes the weak link in the chain on the traditional web, the centralized server which can be taken down physically or by using legal threats.
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Heheh, a Cloud-Computing P2P style WiKi, nice

I just toyed with that idea by using a client that works on two of the more popular P2P networks simultaneously.

I put only the search term "Tesla" in,
and limited it to documents only too.

It took just under 3-1/2 hours to obtain a DVD full.

less than 1% were viruses with the false file extension trick,
and about 25% improperly named (had nothing to do with Tesla...).

So a floating decentralized WiKi certainly seems viable, nice idea actually...

It would sure help for threads like this if everyone contributing to it
was referencing and quoting from the same common-sourced material,
providing links to the same material for others to follow and contribute too.

But the trolls, the trolls,
how indeed to manage the mischief...

Moderated submissions by a select few ?

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Old 05-30-2011, 05:13 PM
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If you look more carefully you'll see that the common thread is...:

Hubbard Coil Runs Boat On Portage Bay Ten Knots An Hour; Auto Test Next

Moray valve

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"I started my experiments with the taking of electricity from the ground, as I termed it, during the summer of 1909. By fall of 1910 I had sufficient power to operate a small electrical device, and I made a demonstration of my idea to two friends... This demonstration in the early stages consisted of operating a miniature arc light... It soon became evident that the energy was not static and that the static of the universe would be of no assistance to me in obtaining the power I was seeking...
Hendershot Motor

Hendershot Lived in Michigan Detroit


Edward V. GRAY
from California

Stanley Meyer: Water Fuel Cell

Tariel Kapanadze's device

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In my explanation, I will try totaly to exclude the pressence of the water, as seen in the
movie
http://www.rlabato.com/docs/principl..._Kapanadze.pdf

Now one last quote for you guys, from The Great Nicholas Tesla:

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This invention, which I have described in technical publications, attempts to imitate, in a very crude way, the nervous system in the human body
I'll give you one clue:

The human body at about 60% water in adult males and 55% in adult females.

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Tesla really liked to use salt water filled capacitors. Very interesting point, MonsieurM.
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Old 05-30-2011, 06:32 PM
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Thanks

If you liked this idea, i Have developed it into a different application you might find more interesting:

Trees as radiant energy collector

hope you guys join in...

I found this thread on Overunity Forum about Water coil, quite interesting for the tree antenna experiment

Water coil in magnetic generator

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Hi all,

Just found the link http://www.geocities.com/mj_17870/magneticinduc.htm
The site itself contains many ideas about water splitting, properties, etc., but mostly theoretical
Site root http://www.geocities.com/mj_17870/index.html

Now brief desctription of idea from first link.

1) The one suggests to make some kind of water solenoid "coil" - by replacing the regular wire coil with coil of thin plastic pipe filled with h2so4 (or other) electrolitic solution.

2) Place the permanent magnet on one axle with dc motor inside the coil and spin to generate emf in surrounding coil.

Here are the questions:

1) What about back-emf in such system ? Will it make any resistance for dc motor if we take some electricity from "generator" water coil (the coil contains regular metal electrodes on its endings of course). I think that there should be back-emf effect but I confused with water conductors

2) If the emf generated in this water coil - AC electrolysis should take place. How this electrolysis agrees with energy conservation law ? We have the H2 and O2 on exit along with AC electricity - but place some DC to spinning motor (which possible counterforced by back-emf.
Magnetic Induction of Water

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Supposedly any conductive material can be made into a generator in one of these ways. Now as I pointed out liquid conductors do have different properties than metal conductors, primarily in how they transmit a charge as I pointed out in the Experiment #1 paper. I can't find any information that would suggest that you COULDN'T use water as a generator if you followed the basic rules of building and operating such a generator. There are many possibilities along those lines which I plan
to deal with separately. In this posting I just wanted to look at generators in general....
... In thinking about this in relation to water I decided that it would be interesting to think about weather or not water, used as the coils in a generator, would work. We already know that the Hydrogen Bond in water is weakened by the proximity to an electromagnetic field and we know that water (with an electrolyte) acts as a conductor. The fact that it is a conductor satisfies the main requirement for induction of electric current and the weakening in the presence of an EMF would suggest that, as above, a charge could be inducted by proximity. With these two factors in favor of the idea of water as the coil in a generator would seem to indicate that it would be possible to construct a mechanism which would exploit this and cause an electric current to be generated.
let me share with u some info on water:

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Kirlian Photography of
water samples on photographic film©:
1 drop - tap water,
2 mountain water drop,
Teteven, Bulgaria,
3 drop - seawater,
Hammamet, Tunisia,
4 drop - karst and mineral water,
Zlatna Panega, Bulgaria,;
Dr. Ignatov©, Dipl.Eng. Yatsevich©, 2010


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"In the Kirlian effect, which is a high-frequency electric discharge in gas, the color of light depends only on gas...
more info here

Trees as radiant energy collector




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Experience is made before the law is formulated, both are related like cause an effect. Nicholas Tesla

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Old 05-31-2011, 08:28 PM
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I was just reading through this thread:

Dr. Steven E. Jones JT Variation

and i also read the info on pesn:

Dr. Steven E. Jones' circuit gives evidence for 8x overunity

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Retired Physics Professor, Steven E. Jones is working on a simple overunity circuit that he has seen go as high as 20 times overunity; documented on a state-of-the-art Tektronix 3032 oscilloscope at Brigham Young University producing eight times as much energy as was required to run the solid state circuit. One of his friends, Les Kraut, has replicated the circuit and also achieved eight times overunity...
..."I don't know where the energy is coming from, but it's coming from somewhere," he said.
I would like you to check out the following link, it a "google map" of Brigham Young University (marker B)...




...Indeed the Great Salt Lake is close by (here is your large coil)


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one more info, which is of great importance, i know you guys would agree with me :

Water on the Sun?

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An international team of scientists, including a University of Waterloo chemistry professor, has conclusively demonstrated that water (actually steam) does exist on the sun, confirming a breakthrough finding made two years ago.

The team used an innovative method to calculate the water spectrum at sunspot temperatures. The method will be useful in modelling systems with an abundance of extremely hot water molecules, such as forest fires.
Water Found on Sun

one last for the road: guess what spirals and is dependent on the sun's rotation:

Heliospheric current sheet:

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The heliospheric current sheet (HCS) is the surface within the Solar System where the polarity of the Sun's magnetic field changes from north to south. This field extends throughout the Sun's equatorial plane in the heliosphere.[1][2] The shape of the current sheet results from the influence of the Sun's rotating magnetic field on the plasma in the interplanetary medium (Solar Wind).[3] A small electrical current flows within the sheet, about 10−10 A/m≤. The thickness of the current sheet is about 10,000 km...

...As the Sun rotates, its magnetic field twists into a Parker spiral,[5] a form of an Archimedean spiral, named after its discovery by Eugene Parker.


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and don't forget the presence of water in the sun and you have your Cosmic Water Coil, containing your earth water coil, containing your tree water coil, and so on (sounds fracta,l no?)

from quantum agriculture (see below)

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" What Lehrs is describing here is the power of an insulator (dielectric: ie water) to accumulate a static charge from a weak field and condense it into a strong charge that gives rise to an electrostatic field.
Heliosphere - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and this:

Redon files: Quantum Entanglement in Photosynthesis and Evolution

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Recently, academic debate has been swirling around the existence of unusual quantum mechanical effects in the most ubiquitous of phenomena, including photosynthesis, the process by which organisms convert light into chemical energy.
and finally:

"Quantum Water" Discovered in Carbon Nanotubes

Chengdu Organic Chemicals Co. Ltd., Chinese Academy of Sciences


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A new quantum state of water found in carbon nanotubes at room temperature could have important implications for life...
...That's a big deal. Reiter and co chose carbon nanotubes because they are an analogue of the conditions water faces when passing through living systems, through ion channels in cell membranes, for example. Biologists have long known that flow through these channels is orders of magnitude greater than conventional fluid dynamics predicts. Perhaps this new state of quantum water is the reason why
Quantum Agriculture

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The Alchemy of Capacitance
Dennis Klocek
Dowsers have long been aware of the unsettling effects of fields and moving currents upon the forces of life. Dowsing research has uncovered a great deal of documented proof that sleeping in a weak field or a current can be a major cause of debility which leads to illness. All currents are considered by dowsers to generate fields. Running water, gas, electricity, even geological fault lines and the crystalline lattice of minerals in the earth radiate weak currents. The theory is that an organism resting in these currents cannot maintain equilibrium in its life forces because its own life field is constantly being disturbed. Even if the disturbance is miniscule compared to modern amperages in electric grids, the constant flow of energies is thought to "wick" away life forces and put the organism under stress when it is supposed to be concentrating its life forces. In effect, this image found in the dowsing literature, is an image of conduction (wicking away of current) versus condensing (the alternate induction and capacitance of weak forces which condenses the weak forces into stronger field forces). An organism being influenced by such currents becomes brittle and loses its elasticity. Once it has lost its charge of life, it becomes prey to pathogens from the environment. Plants growing above watercourses, lenses of volcanic materials or fault lines often show such signs of stress. Trees growing over an underground stream will die on the side which receives the ether current from the moving water, or the underground pipe and thrive on the side which does not. Tree roots will form burls when the tree is growing over an active water main or underground stream. Watercourses or changes in the composition of the ground underneath orchards can often be traced by looking at weak or infested trees. Dowsing the area will reveal the presence of a subterranean current. The list of phenomena surrounding conduction currents is extensive and available to anyone caring to do a little research. The result from many dowsing experiments is that conduction weakens life forces.
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Electricity and Conduction Ernst Lehrs', in his book "Man or Matter", expresses a view which could give support to this idea with his assertion that Robert Faraday himself, was an opponent of the theory of electrical currents as a true picture of the nature of electricity. Lehrs' states in his work that when humans apply electricity to do work, that they are really not using electricity proper but only the thermal and magnetic fields which are generated when electricity is consumed by passing it through a conductor. According to this essentially alchemical view, the force that runs an appliance or moves the needle on a meter, is not electricity itself, but is produced when electricity vanishes. By extension, Lehrs says further, "With the recognition that we have to do with electricity proper, only in the case of an electric field exerting its power directly, as in an electroscope, whereas, all other so called electrical processes consist in a consumption of electrical force, it becomes possible to form an adequate picture of the oscillating circuit...the coupling of a condenser and a coil; to put it differently Á capacitance with inductance." What Lehrs is describing here is the power of an insulator (dielectric: ie water) to accumulate a static charge from a weak field and condense it into a strong charge that gives rise to an electrostatic field.
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Capacitance Antennae In a device known as a capacitance antenna, the conductor or coil serves to give rise to a magnetic field by briefly conducting or consuming an electric charge. As the electric charge is consumed it flows through the coil and creates a magnetic field with magnetic forces moving through the field lines. A dielectric or condenser is placed in the magnetic field. The dielectric is composed of many inner layers of an insulating substance like silica. As the magnetic current moves through the dielectric it creates weak electric fields in the many layers of the dielectric where the layers cut across the magnetic field lines. As a result an electric field is created around the dielectric ( water has a very high dialectric strength) when a capacitor is placed into a magnetic field. The electric field in turn is once again taken into the coil for a brief conduction which once again creates a magnetic field around the coil.

In this arrangement, the capacitor or condenser builds a weak, but constant charge with no current into a strong field capable of holding a lot of power (voltage) but little flow (amperage)
. The charged field is then drawn through a coil which draws off the charge in a movement which is just the very beginning of conduction. A magnetic field grows quickly as the brief conduction converts the flow of electricity into magnetism. The dielectric is placed so that the magnetic field surrounds the dielectric and causes the dielectric to pick up a strong electrical charge. This is then reciprocally discharged back into the coil to keep the cycle going. The elastic oscillation of magnetic into electric back into magnetic forces causes induction to take place in the condenser and coil and greatly increases the power without an increase in input. This brings two polar forces into a mutual rhythm tic oscillation. However, in this type of circuit the electrical and magnetic forces are not really consumed and no lines of magnetic energy are cut or disturbed, as is the case with power generation apparatus in use today. This model is the basis for wireless transmission. It is also the basis for the electrostatic capacitance antennas in use for the reception of radio transmissions in automobiles. The effect of the capacitor/coil antenna is to make the transmitter appear closer to the antennae than it actually is. The capacitor amplifies the weak signal from the source and the closed induction circuit makes the signal more resonant as the energies are rhythmically oscillated from condenser to coil. The power to drive a speaker grows from the oscillation.
The Alchemy of Capacitance - QUANTUM AGRICULTURE

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Tesla really liked to use salt water filled capacitors. Very interesting point, MonsieurM.
The Mystery Of Water ( 60 min doc)

YouTube - ‪1 The Mystery Of Water.‬‏


updated water thread

How to build a water coil

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Old 06-13-2011, 12:21 AM
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found this very nicely presented page on Tesla and his life on PBS:

PBS: Tesla - Master of Lightning: Life and Legacy

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