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Old 07-30-2009, 12:23 PM
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GSEA (from naudin)

Hi all,

ive just replicated this circuit from naudin's site....

http://jnaudin.free.fr/seike/gseav3.htm

it seems to work but before i start taking detailed measurements, i wondered if anyone else has experience with this circuit or any thoughts?

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just to state,

my circuit is identical to the naudin one, except i am using 2n3055's instead of the TIP3055's..and i am using 12V, 1.2W bulbs ( though i do have some 12V 5W bulbs also to use when i want to ),also my circuit is breadboared as opposed to soldered.
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Old 07-30-2009, 05:40 PM
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A few quick results,

using the scope across the bulb shows a waveform very much like a square wave with a slightly rounded drop off... voltage is 14.28V peak to peak, duty cycle about 70%

placing the scope across the points mentioned in the naudin site again gives a very similar wave form, voltage is 17.22 peak to peak, duty cycle is about 25%-30%.

battery voltage is 13.00V, (7Ah battery )

umm...not sure what to make of this.

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What is the claim?

There's no claim on the site.. What does she do?
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Old 07-31-2009, 03:18 AM
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INQ, other than the position where the bulb is ( is this the load? ) and the place marked where the DMM is placed.....i cant figure out what its suposed to do either !....as far as i can see from my other measurements....its like having 3 bulbs in parallel with a pulsed DC system feeding them.
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Thats Shinichi Seike!!

Here is his book
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He is into (anti gravity) And FE, he was featured in the race to zero point. Rex has some stuff on him. Also some of the RV equations rationalize his stuff with their "jargon" teachings /RF-RE understanding.

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I've been developing a system to charge capacitor without entropy like Bearden suggest, my current circuit is LC like Gsea, let me explain you my point of view.

Looking Gsea JlNaudins webpage I've noticed some interesting on that circuit:

First. I think that cicuit can open Pandora Box of the Gabriel Kron circuits. Open-Closed paths, real number existe.... blah blah all that history.

Second, in my concept the bulbs are incandescents bulbs, these bulbs how you know use a filament like spring or solenoid coil?, then maybe is possible replace them with air coils, my questions is: Have you a inductance meter to measure inductance on these bulbs?. it's possible use common american car bulbs 12 Volts X 21 Watts, you can see the coil (spring) inside of them. You can see the working freq and you'll notice is possible freq vs size of coil (inside bulb)

I'm trying to find a scope to improve my actual research to show yours... I think all of this is relationated.
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Old 07-31-2009, 08:51 AM
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good find there ang thats some heavyyyyyyy stuff !

PATMAC,

i will measure inducance of bulbs when i get back, i also have soem 12V 10W bulbs ( auto i think ), can see the coiled filament in them, very small.
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Old 07-31-2009, 12:04 PM
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if i have measured properly, the inductance of the 12v 1.2W bulbs is 0.012 mH
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Exactly how I was thinking, look the bulb position if this is replaced by a coil you have some like SG, then pulses makes self resonate the next transistor and next and the first again, is like a rat races hahaha, is a transistor competition, capacitors are like a gap spark to control pulse width, if you put caps biggers then freq is lower, obviously efficient can be lower because more energy is burned like current.

This circuit remember me to TPU :
http://www.intalek.com/Index/Project...U_ECD-V1_0.pdf

But Gsea seems easy to build. Some weeks ago I was analysing a Microwave Oven schematics, and is possible see similarities with them too, Microwave is a coil resonating to >2Ghz by using LC circuit, is hard find semiconductor with this specification on high currents, Gsea is far better if you convert the triangle to pentagon for example is possible get higher frequency and get higher COP's. On Jnlaudins page seems possible build this device using circular core and coils but that version use vaccum tubes: http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/gseamnu.htm

Appears another circuit like Tesla Impulse by Bedini coils and diodes in series, but look the antenna is like a collector antenna like Bearden explains, is very interesting, like electron pump?
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Let me correct some. I think inductance on bulbs is not critical for me now, I've remembered some about oscillators with transitors, and yes is possible make a oscilator transistored with capacitors only without coils, but if you want test without bulbs I thinks is possible replace them with graphite rods (pencils), somes normal resistors can be inductives too.

Let me show you a schematics that explains how it works a simple transitorized oscillator non inductive only capacitive. You can see how only when current pass throught first transistor (Q2 on sch) cap is charged and when reach the level necessary activates the second transistor and is discharged by B-E of Q1.
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thanks for the input :-)
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Comparing the circuit in the naudin replication and the "Ultra Relativity" book offered by ash I see that naudin is using npn-type trannies but the UR book says "Semiconductor of P type" and clearly shows pnp's in the circuit diagram Fig. 83.

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Thx for the observation good find!
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sigzidfit ( & others )

thanks for the inputs, i thought this thread had died a death,

i will re-do the cirtcuit using the PNP equivelant of the 3055 transistor, see what happens.

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Old 08-31-2009, 04:30 PM
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Hello Rave154,

Glad to hear you built one!

I've done 1 replication of the GSA a little while back and also used JLN's schematic.
I do not have a scope. I reasoned that if the output voltage exceeds the input voltage like what Seike/Naudin reported then it will justify me buying a scope to further investigate this device.

My results:
At 15v@2.5A input I got 20-21VDC output, however,
2 of my 3 voltage(one analog, one digital) meters reported the same while my RMS meter reported around 10-12VDC.
Which do I believe?

Another problem was that even though the GSA ouput is Fully-Bridge-Rectified and filtered by a capacitor I get AC readings on the digital and analog meters.
To me it looks as if the AC being generated in the transistorised coil cannot be properly rectified with standard 1n4007 diodes. I reasoned the AC in this circuit may be oscillating at the transistors (2n3055 npn) maximum of 2Million Hz which as I imagine regular diodes are not suited for.
I will at some stage look into fast switching diodes.
Perhaps someone can suggest a part number for a diode you think will work?

One last observation. The heatsinks I'm using are large (about 10x12cm).
Leaving the unit to run for 30 minutes causes much heat.
I understand that this specific GSA will use around 35-40watts, however I expected from what Seike wrote that it would run cold with negative energy moving through it.

I'm about to start with my second GSA. This time it will be based on Seike's NPN design using 3x2SC521A transistors.
I also noticed this design is not in the 8th Edition of The Principles of Ultra Relativity book.
Also there are numerous sections of the book that have been removed.
Chapter 14 - Solid State Battery (Revised) (Ceased)
Chapter 19/20 - Tachyon Oscillator (Revised) (Ceased)

The 7th Edition also contains 349 pages and the 8th Edition only contains 188 pages.

As seen here the next design I will build. I dont see this in the 1986 Edition of Seike's book, so I'm guessing its from the 7th Edition -->


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glad to know you built one,

im going to have another go at it, this time using PNP trans ( as stated in the book ) and not NPN. ive also managed to get some 12V 20 watt ulbs whic look identical to what Naudin used. this project kind of got put on the back burner as im currently messing with flyback & also Rodin Coils

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Old 09-01-2009, 09:22 AM
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Quite an interesting circuit.

There appear to be certain similarities with Hans Cohler's "magnetstromapparat":

Hans Coler's "Magnetstromapparat" & "Stromzeuger" (British Intelligence Objectives SubCommittee Report #1043
The Hans Coler Magnetstromapparat Device
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glad to know you built one,

im going to have another go at it, this time using PNP trans ( as stated in the book ) and not NPN. ive also managed to get some 12V 20 watt ulbs which look identical to what Naudin used. this project kind of got put on the back burner as im currently messing with flyback & also Rodin Coils

Adios for now,

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Great. When you get time to build it, I'd be interested to hear about your findings.
Once I complete the next GSA I'll post my findings here, if you dont mind that is.

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CITIZEN, i lookk for wards too it :-)

as to the "gaining extra voltage than the supplied voltage" even though no inductors are used...the gain in voltage of Dc..reminded of a youtube video called "cold electricity" where a similar gain is shown, althoiugh in this case inductors are used... here is the vid....im not sure this is connected to the GSEA in any way......but worth a watch for 5 minutes...

YouTube - Gray Supply Concept Cold Electric Bulb

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CITIZEN, i lookk for wards too it :-)

as to the "gaining extra voltage than the supplied voltage" even though no inductors are used...the gain in voltage of Dc..reminded of a youtube video called "cold electricity" where a similar gain is shown, althoiugh in this case inductors are used... here is the vid....im not sure this is connected to the GSEA in any way......but worth a watch for 5 minutes...

YouTube - Gray Supply Concept Cold Electric Bulb

David. D
Cool. Thanks for the video link. That is an interesting effect. I'm not sure if its related either, but something similar happens when I short or put any load on one of the the GSEA's outputs.
One of the bulbs I'm using in my GSEA always goes super bright. The amperage also goes up though around 80%.

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Hi Guys,

I finished the Seike replication. yay

The results are quite different when compared with my Naudin replication.
For starters, my transistors are running cool.
Secondly, when I place a load onto one of the output phases, my input load drops. With my Naudin replication, any output phase that I placed a load onto always increased input current draw.
When doing output voltage tests I get way higher votage outputs than reported by Seike. On one phase, the reported output voltage is 38-40v with 15.2v input power.

Question:
I need to check if the output is being reported correctly. There is a resistor test you guys do. Do you simply place a 1ohm resistor in series with the output power and then take measurements again? If the values match then the voltage is real?

I'll post more results as soon as I can.

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Interesting stuff there DC !

As you may or not know, i have kind of got wrapped up in the "rodin" thing..though i will come back to the seike circuit ( kind of ran out of bread boards , even though i have 8 of the damn things ! lol )

could you post a schematic of your exact setup, so at least its there for posterity....or at least so its there for when i finally get back to re-duplicating it :-)

Keep tinkering man :-)

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could you post a schematic of your exact setup, so at least its there for posterity....or at least so its there for when i finally get back to re-duplicating it :-)
Will do.
I'll complete the parts list and schematic along with a few photos and have these up here in a couple of days (quite busy at work right now).

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i have kind of got wrapped up in the "rodin" thing..though i will come back to the seike circuit
Cool, It'd be great to have more hands to help with all this.
Best of luck with the rodin experiments!

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Seike Replication.

Parts list:

3 x Toshiba 2SC521A Transistors.
3x 10ohm 10Watt cement resistors (I recommend 50)
3x 10kOhm 0.5 Watt - Linear Carbon Pots (adjusted to 7.5kohm)
3x 1k ohm 0.5 Watt - Linear Carbon Pots (adjusted to 500ohm)
3x 0.1uf 50v ceramic disk capacitor.
1x Copper wire outer ring 1.44 meters in length 3.2mm in diameter.
1x Copper wire inner ring approximately .18 meters 3.2mm in diameter.
3x small block connectors mainly used to allow easy capacitor changes.
1x large block connector to join outer ring ends.
3x wires of .95mm joining from 10W resistor to the 3 transistor collectors.
Bread board wire .58mm wire used to connect inner circle to outer pots.
Additionally .58mm wire used to connect outer circle to outer pots.



The following scope shots have been taken between phases. The input power driving the circuit is 17.1v and 2.6 amps.

Phase A-B


Phase B-C


Phase C-A



I did a simple hFE test on all 6 transistors before selecting three for this experiment. Transistor C has double the gain of transistor A and B.
I think it may be the cause of the differences in scope shots. I'll have to replace it with another and see.

Will post more info when I get the chance.
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Hi Cit, that is a wonderful build. I am very impressed to see such a good build. Most of what I see are circuits with jumper wires running all over the place so that you can't tell what is what (like mine) LOL. I do have a question for you though. How are you taking your measurements? Are you taking them from one collector to another or some other place. When I looked at the original circuit from Seike it appeared he was taking the three phases from each of the collectors. But when I looked at the Naudin site you gave a link to he was taking his measurements from the base and collector of the same transistor. I don't see how Naudin's way of measuring could be correct. I hope to get a chance to put that circuit (Seike's) together sometime in the next week or so. Keep us informed as to what you learn from yours. Again congratulations on a great build, citfta
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Hi Cit, that is a wonderful build. I am very impressed to see such a good build. Most of what I see are circuits with jumper wires running all over the place so that you can't tell what is what (like mine) LOL.
Thanks Citfa. I spent quite a bit of time on this project as I was aiming for a design that I can easily make changes and adjustments to.

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I do have a question for you though. How are you taking your measurements? Are you taking them from one collector to another or some other place. When I looked at the original circuit from Seike it appeared he was taking the three phases from each of the collectors.
I've taken my measurements between phases. The power coming out of each phase is AC. You can then full wave rectify it with 4 diodes to get DC.

Here is a pic with a little more detail to show what I mean:



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I hope to get a chance to put that circuit (Seike's) together sometime in the next week or so. Keep us informed as to what you learn from yours. Again congratulations on a great build, citfta
It will be great if you more folks can build these.
If you get stuck finding a supplier for the 2SC521A transistors, contact littlediode.com and they can source it for you.

and Seike's schematic I based my GSEA on.



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Hello again Cit. Thanks for the quick response to my question. In looking at the way you are measuring it appears you are measuring it the same way as Naudin did. I don't think that is going to give you an accurate picture of what is going on. If you look closely at how you are connected you will see that the yellow lead on the right is connected to the collector of transistor C. I believe this is correct according to the Seike schematic. But the black lead on the left is connected to the base of transistor C. I believe it should be connected to the collector of transistor A to give you an accurate picture of phase A-C. The capacitor you have it connected to is going to block the DC from the collector of transistor A. If you move it to the other side of the capacitor then you would be connected to the collector of transistor A. You also asked earlier if some one knew how to do the 1 ohm test for current. If you connect a 1 ohm resistor in series with a load you can measure the voltage across the resistor and the voltage you get will be same as the current going through the resistor. In other words if you measure a half volt from one end of the resistor to the other end when it is connected to the load then the current through the resistor will be one half an amp. I hope I have helped a little. citfta
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Realy nice replication but your wave form doesnt look right and i think i found the problem, look at the picture on JL Naudin website, the 3 resistor are "non-inductive" , yours are inductive. if you place a capacitor in parallel with one of your resistor you can even find the resonant frequency , it will act like a LC tank, that distort the wave form and the result because of the inductive resistance who is like a coil.

what you need is a resistor like this one : http://www.mouser.com/catalog/specsheets/rhnh.pdf

its what JLN used in his replication.

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Beautiful build DC

as well as taking the advice about the resistors, also bare in mind that seikes own schematic used PNP transistors ( in the pdf as i recall i think )

But, great neat build
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