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Old 10-11-2009, 10:18 PM
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Hello again Cit. Thanks for the quick response to my question. In looking at the way you are measuring it appears you are measuring it the same way as Naudin did. I don't think that is going to give you an accurate picture of what is going on. If you look closely at how you are connected you will see that the yellow lead on the right is connected to the collector of transistor C. I believe this is correct according to the Seike schematic. But the black lead on the left is connected to the base of transistor C. I believe it should be connected to the collector of transistor A to give you an accurate picture of phase A-C. The capacitor you have it connected to is going to block the DC from the collector of transistor A. If you move it to the other side of the capacitor then you would be connected to the collector of transistor A. You also asked earlier if some one knew how to do the 1 ohm test for current. If you connect a 1 ohm resistor in series with a load you can measure the voltage across the resistor and the voltage you get will be same as the current going through the resistor. In other words if you measure a half volt from one end of the resistor to the other end when it is connected to the load then the current through the resistor will be one half an amp. I hope I have helped a little. citfta
Hi Citfta,

Good point. I'll take some more measurements during the week from the collectors as you described above and post the scope shots for comparison.
P.S: Thank you for explaining the 1 ohm resistor test

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Old 10-11-2009, 10:47 PM
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Realy nice replication but your wave form doesnt look right and i think i found the problem, look at the picture on JL Naudin website, the 3 resistor are "non-inductive" , yours are inductive. if you place a capacitor in parallel with one of your resistor you can even find the resonant frequency , it will act like a LC tank, that distort the wave form and the result because of the inductive resistance who is like a coil.

what you need is a resistor like this one : http://www.mouser.com/catalog/specsheets/rhnh.pdf

its what JLN used in his replication.

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lol, I know, the waves are going crazy on my scope. Its a bit of problem right now.
From the 6 transistors I had I calculated the hFE or gain of each so to match them. I ran into a problem when I was not able to match any 3 Transistors. Transistors A and B both had 12/13 hFE, but all the other transistors tested higher. So I chose the lowest gain resistor remaining from the lot. Its gain was 26 hFE (C), so its double that of the other 2.
I dont know if this is what is causing all the problems but I suspect it may be.

Thank you for your suggestion. The transistor I am using I believe to be wire wound. The specification for them read "Cement coated 10w 10ohm/J 5% W/W ". I'll double check with the supplier tomorrow and confirm this.


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Beautiful build DC

as well as taking the advice about the resistors, also bare in mind that seikes own schematic used PNP transistors ( in the pdf as i recall i think )

But, great neat build
Rav, I found out there is a tenth edition of the Theory Of Ultra Relativity that was printed in 1989. The version we've got is the 8th edition.
I'm trying to get my hands on this edition. I think this is where Naudin and Nelson from RexResearch posted their Seike extracts from.

In the 8th editon, Seike demonstrates a configuration where he uses 2xNPN and 1xPNP in a circuit. I think him demonstrating this means that its not too important which you use, just that both have P-Holes (what ever that is?) and these holes appear to be filled somehow in these circuits.

I did a small test where I used a mobius coil (like an aerial) connected to my scope. Mobius coils are wrapped so that the magnetic field is cancelled out much like a wire wound resistor (thats probably why they are so important in these circuits). When I brought this near to the transistors the scope reported alot of activity. The closer I brought it to the transistors the more activity I got. Cutting the power cut the signal immediately. So something is happening in the transistors. I'll post some more info on this in the week, I still need to compare all these results with my first Naudin replication.

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Old 10-17-2009, 02:22 AM
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Update

Hectic week! Made some time to take those scope shots.

The shots where taken from collector A to collector B (Citfa) and from collector A to base A (Naudin). The idea is to compare them to see if they differ greatly.

I used a deep cycle battery this time as I've found my bench power supply puts out extra signals when powering this unit.

Here are the results. Unit using = 12.29v @ 2.25amps.
Transistors are still running cool, resistors are running hot.



Collector A | Collector B



Collector A | Base A



They are similar. The only significant difference I noticed was the frequency, sorry forgot to show it, but the second scope shot (CollA-BaseA) showed a frequency of 8.3Mhz.

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Great set-ups & data collection DC

I'm keeping an eye on this thread, right now im in the middle of winding a new type of Rodin coil and its making me go cross eyed ! lol



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Old 10-20-2009, 08:23 PM
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Hi Rav,

Cool mate. Take your time with the Rodin Coils
I'm going to be investigating this circuit further and will post my findings here.

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...right now im in the middle of winding a new type of Rodin coil and its making me go cross eyed ! lol
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Just remember never to look in a black hole with both eyes. Close one
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