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Old 09-09-2010, 11:08 AM
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Seamonkey,

all those things employing "kickback"and resonance have been extensively studied by many members as well myself.

I have not encountered a "grey" area in those circuits. Taking into consideration each circuit's parameters all behave more or less the same and no OU ever noticed in them in anyway (in any setup as claimed). Either employing a storage battery or whatever. People like Bedini have been widely known by circulating those myths and have gained a "flock" of believers (and no see-ers)

On the other hand, something that understood after much thought, this is a hobby enthousiasts' site. People would investigat and be amazed by those things no matter what.

So be it. Let science be silent and para-normal science speak :P
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Old 09-09-2010, 04:35 PM
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Thank you baroutologos for writing this

All my experiments have brought me to the same place of no OU also

I recently bought a solar panel to charge my sailboat battery.

Luc
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Old 09-09-2010, 08:03 PM
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bar & goto.......i couldnt agree more...as for B*dini & his "technology"......i have just one comment..... "pffft"
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Old 09-09-2010, 09:04 PM
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Seamonkey,

all those things employing "kickback"and resonance have been extensively studied by many members as well myself.

I have not encountered a "grey" area in those circuits. Taking into consideration each circuit's parameters all behave more or less the same and no OU ever noticed in them in anyway (in any setup as claimed). Either employing a storage battery or whatever. People like Bedini have been widely known by circulating those myths and have gained a "flock" of believers (and no see-ers)

On the other hand, something that understood after much thought, this is a hobby enthusiasts' site. People would investigate and be amazed by those things no matter what.

So be it. Let science be silent and para-normal science speak :P
I'm not certain what you mean by "gray area" in your
statement above. Would you care to elaborate?

I noticed in some of the observations made during the
course of this thread' discussion that current measured
in the input versus output was considered to be "proof"
of "overunity." Unless that measured current is further
converted to Power it is not possible to draw any
conclusion. Oftentimes, casual observations can be
very "misleading."

You're correct regarding the "flock of believers" who
seem to have little understanding of "Radiant Energy"
and what sort of electrical activity is capable of
producing it reliably.

"Enthusiasts" should be both "enthused" and "encouraged"
to find answers. And, I agree, there is "Truth" which is
yet to be found. Institutionalized Higher Education and
Degrees are not needed for the pursuit of that "Truth."

But, we must be wary of any claims of "Overunity" or of
"Radiant Energy" and be prepared to examine them
thoroughly. Put them to the "Test" so to speak.

Are you saying that Bedini's statements with respect
to "Overunity" are myth?

Resonance does have some very unique properties.
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Resonance not,but parametric resonance yes.They have peculiar feature - exponential rise of energy or "time compressed" resonance.
That simply means that you can get out energy from such circuit at the linear rate, yet circuit will still show energy gain !!!!

Here you are free energy! From time domain manipulation...
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Old 09-10-2010, 09:43 PM
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Resonance not,but parametric resonance yes.They have peculiar feature - exponential rise of energy or "time compressed" resonance.
That simply means that you can get out energy from such circuit at the linear rate, yet circuit will still show energy gain !!!!

Here you are free energy! From time domain manipulation...
Can you offer an explanation of how to
accomplish this "resonance" and the
power extraction process?

It is true that Tesla made such observations with
his out of doors Magnifying Transmitters. But he
understood the source of the additional energy
buildup and how his transmitters were being pumped
by atmospheric electricity.
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Old 09-11-2010, 12:07 PM
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@ Seamonkey,

I have not an EE degree neither had any previous involvement with the electricity's properties.
What i was suggested (by popular readings in the FE area) to read the and the consequent experiments i have conducted, the observations made in comparison to standard science teachings (that i read also), i have not encountered any "grey zones". Meaning neither OU as texts claim or other observations that science suggests.

Anyways, Gotoluc i admire (really) your long hands on experience on the FE field and i wish your conclusions would not agreed with mine. But Lord's rules cannot be bend or altered at will or by the methods suggested so far. (we are not there yet)

Credit should be given to people who deserved it and others should be discredited.
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Old 09-11-2010, 07:43 PM
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Bar,

i agree, was/is a pleasure to watch goto's relentless pursuit to the best of his abilities and also fun when i had the opportunity to join in too here & there
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Old 09-11-2010, 10:46 PM
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@ Seamonkey,

I have not an EE degree neither had any previous involvement with the electricity's properties.
What i was suggested (by popular readings in the FE area) to read the and the consequent experiments i have conducted, the observations made in comparison to standard science teachings (that i read also), i have not encountered any "grey zones". Meaning neither OU as texts claim or other observations that science suggests.

Anyways, Gotoluc i admire (really) your long hands on experience on the FE field and i wish your conclusions would not agreed with mine. But Lord's rules cannot be bend or altered at will or by the methods suggested so far. (we are not there yet)

Credit should be given to people who deserved it and others should be discredited.

In the early days of electricity many discoveries
were made; at a time when devices had to be
made by hand, when correspondence with colleagues
was by handwriting with weeks or months between
replies, and without the high-tech instrumentation
that we have today at our convenience.

Those early 'pioneers' seeking answers were very
much like the experimenters of this age. Unfortunately,
we have advantages they did not have and as an
unforeseen consequence (having been spoiled by
easy living and instantaneous need for gratification) we
have lost the "patience" that is needed for serious
study.

We seem to have lost our desire for "learning" and
instead seek "shortcuts" and "instant success."

We tend to be "sloppy" in our methodology and when
we stumble upon something that was discovered
long ago, we are quick to believe we've made some
brilliant new discovery. If only we had read some
books!

Oh well, there really is nothing "new" under the Sun.

But there is something very interesting about
resonance. How it is possible to build a reservoir of
enormous energy and to keep it "circulating" with
well timed "flicks" of input each cycle or two.

If we are able to find some way to sustain the
"resonance" with input from the "vacuum" then
we may find what we are seeking.

Some have claimed to have already found "it!"

I'm not holding my breath...
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Old 09-12-2010, 05:19 AM
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Thanks baroutologos and rave154 for your positive comments.

I agree with SeaMonkey that the effects of Resonance are interesting and is something that still interests me to further study but it will have to be some time later because I had to pack up my lab since I'll be away to India for 6 months starting November.

For the past 3 years I was using a free space in a friends home to do this research since I don't have a home.

I enjoyed learning and hopefully will be back with new ideas when I return.

All the best to the new research to come.

Luc
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Old 09-12-2010, 07:39 AM
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@Seamonkey,

overally you are speaking the truth regarding discovering and experimenting.
It takes years or even lifetimes of hard work, thinking and devine inspiration.

I never claimed to be an original experimenter like Tesla or Edison or even a dedicated backyard experimenter. At best myself and others have been replicators of schemes that were told to produce OU and sadly found out they do not.

The story ends here. If any remarkable discovery in this field can happen with relative simple means i will be happy to try to replicate it, but i am not capable to pursue any original experimenting myself since i lack resources and inspiration for the time.
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Old 09-12-2010, 08:20 PM
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@Seamonkey,

overall you are speaking the truth regarding discovering and experimenting.
It takes years or even lifetimes of hard work, thinking and divine inspiration.

I never claimed to be an original experimenter like Tesla or Edison or even a dedicated backyard experimenter. At best myself and others have been replicators of schemes that were told to produce OU and sadly found out they do not.

The story ends here. If any remarkable discovery in this field can happen with relative simple means i will be happy to try to replicate it, but i am not capable to pursue any original experimenting myself since i lack resources and inspiration for the time.
The story need not end here. Many of us
lack the resources to do all that we would
like to do.

Fortunately, much work is being done by those
who do have the resources and the facilities.

Their efforts are well documented in the process
and later made available to all as technical reports,
applications notes, data sheets, & cetera...

As you've no doubt found the internet has made
it very easy to find these very enlightening reports
which we can assimilate to enhance our understanding
and broaden our horizons.

One thing leads to another; then on to another;
next thing you know you're up to your armpits in...
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Old 09-12-2010, 08:23 PM
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Thanks baroutologos and rave154 for your positive comments.

I agree with SeaMonkey that the effects of Resonance are interesting and is something that still interests me to further study but it will have to be some time later because I had to pack up my lab since I'll be away to India for 6 months starting November.

For the past 3 years I was using a free space in a friends home to do this research since I don't have a home.

I enjoyed learning and hopefully will be back with new ideas when I return.

All the best to the new research to come.

Luc
Luc,

You are a gentle soul and you've found the good path.

Please do not be discouraged by my observations.

You are helping to "open the eyes" of many.

You have a gift.

We all look forward to your continued work.
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