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Arrow High Speed Mechanical Switching Vs Transistors (aka purple flashing)

I was of two minds about starting a new thread for this; but I don't want have it get buried in another thread.. Also, the difference in circuit operation with hard mechanical switching vs soft 'conditioned' transistors has, in and of itself, both intrigued and perplexed me for a long time now.

So, I'll start by posting my previous videos that are relevant to the topic, and finish with a presentation of my latest little pet.. Of course, it could be scaled up, but I really need a drill-press before I tackle the precision that would be required

First I came across it was with the joule thief;

1 YouTube - Inquorate 24 - slayer's big joule thief

Which I found quite fascinating and odd;

2 YouTube - brighter purple flashes

And set out investigating...

3 YouTube - Inquorate 25

Here is a close-up vid of the differences in types of switch lighting the neon;

4 YouTube - Inquorate 26

So, more playing followed;

5 YouTube - purple flasher experiments #1
6 YouTube - purple flasher experiments #2
7 YouTube - purple flasher funny readings

And then had pretty much figured out how to reliably trigger the purple flash, AND how to show just how bright it was on camera;

8 YouTube - purple neon circuit without transistor

Which is when I got the idea to make the high frequency switch - don't try this particular idea at home kiddo's; it's a waste of time. Maybe. Was for me.

9 YouTube - regarding high speed mechanical switching

Then I digressed, trying to effectively push a pendulum on a veljko oscillator with an electromagnet, by using a delayed on-time circuit which involved relays switching so slowly as not to cause sparking, ie v close to pure square wave..

10 YouTube - pendulum push coil tuned up

And came across a crazy continuous version of the same effect;

11 YouTube - crazy purple flash staccato
12 YouTube - Bouncing purple flash phenomena

Which brings me to the latest installment of the purple flashing orange neon phenomena (more radiant??), with more investigations to follow - who knows, maybe this line of research will lead somewhere. If not, I'll happily take one for the team

12b YouTube - Mechanical Switch - Mark I - 2.4khz

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Inq ...


Damn, i wish you were in the UK, Focus-DIY store have a 5 speed drill press on sale for only £22 right now
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INQ,
working my way through your videos, i LOVE the 20,000 rpm motor-switch thingy...veryyyyyyyy Tesla-esque :-)

interesting in video 5, the best from the neon came when you got zero or almost zero from the (conventional) bulb.

lolol, video 7 ( strange readings ) lol, i love at the end where youre perplexed and touch the motor which isnt connected to ANYTHING !!!! ...just to seeeeee what happens ( been there...done that )

regarding the mechanical motor-switching.....you could easily use a pwm to control the speed of the motor rather that resistors to knock down the voltage.

hmmm....got me thinking........always thinkinggggggggg


Adios & Ahimsa for now,

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Inquorate @ I haven't watched many of your video's but if you were to some up an answer what would it be?

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Lol, sum up; ;)

Transistors, like capacitors and batteries in bedini type radiant circuit (higher radiant energy quota in the circuit than in a conventional circuit) become 'conditioned', ie more receptive to radiant energy (aetheric streams) to the point of self charging, filling with fluffy voltage (little electron content, excess voltage potential) - or, in the case of transistors, becoming 'soft' (not switching off completely as the electron sized holes in the semi-conductor (switch) part becomes saturated with fluffy voltage..

Thus, transistors stop making the square wave unidirectional pulses that are necessary to create radiant streams, partly by leaving the electrons behind momentarily (what is known as the 'electron bunching effect') due to their inertia.

That's my guess.

I'm trying to edit a bunch of postings on this forum regarding discussions about the switching, the aether etc that I have been contributing to, and that unfortunately spans many threads.

I hope to have it readable soon.

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Old 06-27-2009, 09:40 PM
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when charging a cap from the ground negative and ignition coil, them discharging to a smaller cap i can get the purple flasher everytime(if i setup the scr incorrectly LOL) Ben will video and post it here

also old stuff
YouTube - Electret Purple Flash Two Alikes Ben Style!!
YouTube - Purple flash high speed spark
if you wish i can put up a diagram?

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Why do you keep asking that dearest?

Of course I'd love to see a schematic.. You know how much I love it when you do that.. - also, I'm curious which wrong way of wiring up an scr makes the flash..

And thanks again richard for keeping note of the purple flashy thing

If I remember correctly, your old videos obtained the purple flashes thru quenched spark gaps?

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The only time I've ever gotten purple flashes from a neon is from my pendulum and the SCR/neon triggered dump to a secondary (two neons in the circuit, basically) battery. And I wasn't able to do it consistently. It certainly is an interesting effect; I wonder what conventional EE says a purple ionization from neon gas is?
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Conventional science

If they are saying anything, they're not publishing it. I haven't been able to find anything on the net except at this forum and some comments on one of my youtube videos. That guy said once a neon stops flashing purple, you can change the polarity of the legs and it starts up again. If you keep on swapping it over, apparently the clear bulb becomes silvered like the inside coating on a vacuum tube..

Which means that the electrodes are probably losing their coating, mainly to the other electrode, but after a while to the inside of the glass.

But that still leaves 'why?' and 'why only in specific circumstances?'

And since the purple flash is symptomatic of a cause, what else does the cause cause?

ps, working on mark II; reed switch keeps sticking esp with low resistance circuits, and it needs a diode from the switch to stop HV from ignition coil causing sticking too.

I'll keep nutting it out till I get something reliable.

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http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...ens-purple.jpg

its here Ben Crazy Purple.

in the video i made the spark sound was like implosion,
One thing thats weird is that my flyback, not giving me a big spark anymore i was trying to do a candle video for randy(vortex) but the spark is really small it runs form the wall 12v 1.5amp. I dont understand it my gut is saying that if i play around for abit with the ground and stuff the spark will get bigger.

I REALLY DO THINK THIS SETUP IS A NEGATIVE RESISTOR
if anyone has a way i can pulse the flyback from a battery please put up a link, I NEED a 555 variable freq. variable duty pulser from flybacks and ignition coils, I dont have the time/skill to make one IM crap with them.
I WILL PAY IF SOMEONE CAN MAKE ME ONE.
My instinct are going crazy about the earth battery and this setup, I just need some help with the 555.
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errrr guys

guys...ummm...

i might be getting a similar effect here with my pwm->ignition coil->sparkgap->bifilar coil -> neon.

see my thread "Tesla attempt" down near the bottom..... it worked like this...

from the HV output of the ignition coil goes to the spark gap...then on to 2 HV diodes ( avramenko style )... then...

the end of one diode is connected to the start of coil A.....the other diode is connected to the start of coil B ( coils A & B being the bifilar )....the other ends of both coils are NOT connected.

circuit on for a few seconds.... then off.....both batt's dissconected....

bring a neon held by one of its legs in pliers....and touching the other leg to the end of one of the coils ( actually its the coil that is connected to the diode that is pointing backwards towards the HV )....touch the leg.and the neon glows...not much....but continually glows....orange....for a good 20-30 seconds....then....i accidentally touch the other leg to the end of the other coil ( while maintaining contact with the first leg ).....and the neon really FLASHED .....TWICE......then...when i broke contact with the 2nd leg.....but still had contact with the first leg....it continiued to glow orange again....its like something is going "around the coil" even after power down.....or something.


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Old 06-28-2009, 10:29 AM
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this may be waht we are looking at YouTube - Electric flow HV like a big slice of negative kickback?
or a magnetic currect?

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@ bodkins - the circuit you're after is on rave's tesla attempt thread

@ rave - that's really weird and possibly quite important. Have you a youtube account to post videos? Even if from a mobile phone...

Don't have too much time to replicate, but reeeealy interested in finding out what's going on on your benchtop :O
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inq, ( Bod ),

I will video it when i get chance ( got a nice high def digi cam ).....but i just tried something ( yikes )..and its getting all weird again....lol....

from the one terminal of my spark gap...to the other terminal of the spark gap.,i placed a ring of magnets ( neo cylinders, 10mm dia, 5mm thick ) to form a short circuit so to speak as far as the spark gap was concerened )....ran the circuit....no sparking obviously.......but when i turned the pwm off..the CFL stayed on !!!!.....somehow...putting the magnets there made the HV side of my circuit ( the one half of the OPTO and the 2n3055) self oscillate?..ill attach a diagram to explain..
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Old 06-28-2009, 11:49 AM
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rave154@about the 3055, we have had them switch after powered down too, once you get the aether moving, it likes it, to move. earth batterys are the same once you work them,

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bod,

i just left the circuit as-is.....but removed the spark gap part...so im going.....

HV-> end of magnets->cfl

same result...HV side of circuit only draws about 25 mA... interestingly....if i turn the magnets around...the circuit does NOT self osscilate
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That's interesting, I don't think any of us ever tried that when we were working with Aromaz's self oscillating circuit.

That may be proof of the link between magnetic fields and aether..

I am loathe to tell you to slow down, but I will say you should keep your camera on when you're in the lab. That way when something weird happens you've got a record of it...

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Edit: maybe aetheric current is a linear magnetic field which is why Aromaz found no magnetic field around his wires. And maybe the reason why the circuit doesn't self oscillate is because your circuit is sucking aether from the space around the bulb, into the circuit. But that it can't do that with the magnets acting as an aetheric diode.


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Solution to my relay 'sticking'

And it will double the switching rate too, or be able to switch two ways alternately.

I've put 4 more magnets on the wheel, facing the opposite way, so they go n s n s n s n s

I will have a strip of those bendy razor blades with a magnet attached, and a bic pen spring to encourage the contact to return.

Here's a sketch

http://a7.vox.com/6a0110169c703a860d011017e507c7860e-pi

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I hate your phone well the pictures it takes!
I my head the poles on a magnet are the hydrogen and O2.the electric charge is the same, so you can short the two out with a magnet
The Physics of the Primary State of Matter
Ether is a carbon static potential it is a homogeneous mixture of its two components, Hydrogen and Oxygen energy.
If stressed between two potential differences the two componets (as in magnetism)North (Hydrogen energy) and South (Oxtgen energy) we have suction, attraction to the centre which it carbon in the steel rod!

EVERYTHING is made using this process the Trinity of the Three H and O Plus the carbon static potential all matter comes from this place
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I my head the poles on a magnet are the hydrogen and O2.the electric charge is the same, so you can short the two out with a magnet
The Physics of the Primary State of Matter
Ether is a carbon static potential it is a homogeneous mixture of its two components, Hydrogen and Oxygen energy.
If stressed between two potential differences the two componets (as in magnetism)North (Hydrogen energy) and South (Oxtgen energy) we have suction, attraction to the centre which it carbon in the steel rod!

EVERYTHING is made using this process the Trinity of the Three H and O Plus the carbon static potential all matter comes from this place
hehe, yeah the photos aren't too good from my phone.

i found this video while at work, but cant hear the sound. still, it looks pretty cool.

i had thought of wiring up neons like this but hadn't tried it yet.

Radiant Energy - CrazyMotion!

and this one too

YouTube - Bedini Output into Neon

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YouTube - radiant purple pulser

Ben i have 3 more videos for you can upload at the moment because im at work,

next videos are,purple flasher singlewire cap charging, scr purple crazy cant stop it going purple charger, and the Electret with no input lighting a tube and neon.
so thats Nice
will upload tonight

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@ bodkins

Maybe it is as you say; it is two scalar waves meeting in the neon..

Which would mean that mechanical switching is more likely to create scalar waves..

Thanks everyone for your input

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Mark II

YouTube - Mechanical Switch - Mark II - 5khz - reliable

Ta Da !

It is much more dependable than Mark I.

Interesting that the spark on switch contact (when running ignition coil) goes purple..

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INQ,

A very nicely progressing device, Tesla would be proud :-)
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Keep up the good work . I currently active in publishing Free Energy in Indonesian language so I have a lot to catch up, but I love your work .
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YouTube - Radiant singlewire

more videos coming

YouTube - radiant scr dump

I think the pressure waves coming back from the little charge battery hit eack other and your get the purple!

YouTube - Radiant sparks
theres one more cant upload till later,its good, charging two cap! if i had more caps them i think i can charge LOADS of them from the single wire and one input.
very free energy!

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Side by side switching mechanisms experiment

I'm going to have to work out a means for magnetically triggered switches that are designed for rapid switching, if I'm to take this much further..

I'm thinking...

Will report back

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What is common between any spark that is purple?
Why is any spark purple, is there an answer for the color purple?
There are other sparks that are purple, why?
Is violet color spark caused by something different or the same, just less purple?

I only have questions
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why

Purple flashes / sparks would be more energetic, off into the ultraviolet spectrum - so the electrons must be getting a mighty slap on the arse.

Why in a neon? Why with some setups only for a while until you reverse the neons legs? Why in other setups virtually constantly? Why sometimes not at all?

There's no gas in the neon that should release photons in the ultraviolet spectrum. When excited, the neon gas should release photons in the orange lightband.

I'm guessing that when purple, you're seeing a higher aetheric gas content which is more energetic than electron current.

Why Purple spark gaps in air?

I'd say that the exception proves the rule; so see above info for neon gas.

I've only got answers

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Hi Inquorate!

Firstly..great work and thanks for posting all the youtube video (although some seems to hav vanished into the aether of internet-space continuum)

I was wondering whether you came up with a good idea other than mechanical (I'm trying to stick to 'solid state') for high speed switching. I'm attempting a number of things but seem to keep burning out my transistors or 555 circuits on the longer term 'heavy duty' voltage tests. Too much power perhaps

Either way, I would love something more robust than these heat prone bits of silicon.

Thanks again.

TP
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