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Old 04-21-2009, 01:19 AM
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Alright i made that video i promised. I finaly figured out how to download the video so you can see all the flashes, which you really need to in order to understand what im doing. There are 2 different effects im showing here. The first effect is just kind of like Duh.... of course that works, but i havnt seen anyone relate this yet. And the second one is very strange and is really baffleing me. It apperars(visually) to be giving out more energy than the energy applyied Im not saying that is what it actually is doing, but it does appear that way. Perhaps someone has a rational explanation for me. Anyways, let me know what you think
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Old 04-21-2009, 01:55 AM
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@Cody

As for the first effect you recorded it is a normal electro-magnetic induction that happens when you change the saturation levels of the core. Basically you showed how transformers with ferromagnetic core work. The only difference is that you didn't use coil and AC signal to magnetize and demagnetize core but you did it manually by saturating and desaturating core with permanent magnet.

I'm more interested in the second effect but I'm currently half-asleep (it's 4 AM here) so I will have to watch it and re-think it again tomorrow.

BTW- nice small setup you got there.
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Old 04-21-2009, 02:02 AM
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Lighty,
I was hoping you would comment. The second one is really what i was hoping you could help explain, get some sleep and think about it. It only behaves this way when using an ac signal strange, let me know if you come up with anything.
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Old 04-21-2009, 02:35 AM
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Perhaps someone has a rational explanation for me. Anyways, let me know what you think
YouTube - Ed Leedskalnin 3
Very interesting video, I don't know what happen too unfortunately. For the first part of the video, maybe the magnet store the energy the same way electric do. For the second part, maybe the current can only get transfered to the LED when there are already magnet bridge. otherwise it is being used to charge the magnet and made the LED flashes because there is potential difference after magnet is recharged.

Is that LED bidirectional? It would be neat if it isn't, some people here would love to make a purple and green flashes.
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Old 04-21-2009, 04:04 AM
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sucahyo,
watch my first 2 videos for a better explanation of my setup. The Leds are facing opposite directions to visually show the direction that current is flowing while im playing with it. I think you are right that the magnet stores the "perpetual current or whatever" the same as electricity does, its just not normally considered from a leedskalnin point of view, which is why i thought it might be important to show it. But thats just my opinion. As for the other effect, your guess is as good as mine at this point.
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Old 04-22-2009, 02:17 AM
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watch my first 2 videos for a better explanation of my setup. The Leds are facing opposite directions to visually show the direction that current is flowing while im playing with it.
Ok, I will, thanks . I thought the LED is the one which glow red when current flow forward and glow green when current flow backward.
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Old 04-22-2009, 02:30 AM
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Correct, it will show red in and green out in one polarity applied, but when i change the polarity supplied it changes direction, green in and red out. Get it? If I was just applying dc to the PMH it would always be the same color order, but since im using ac, the order changes with the polarity applied
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Cody, you've presented quiet a nice video here props for that As for calculating energy in to energy out I have an idea.


Quote:
J = ½CE²
Where;
J = Joules
C = Capacitance
E = Voltage
1)Charge up a small capacitor (Cap A) to full capacity.
2)Then use this equation; J = ½CE² to work out the amount of joules in the capacitor.
3)Discharge the capacitor into your circuit in place of the battery.
4) Replace your LED with another capacitor (Cap B) (I suggest using a higher voltage capacitor as you'll be dealing with a bedini-type pulse).
5) Remove the bridge from your magnetic circuit thus breaking the circuit.
6) Use a voltmeter to calculate the voltage and use the equation J = ½CE² to work out the ammount of energy outputted from the system.

Obviously if Cap A(Joules) < Cap B(Joules) then you have cohered some extra energy. All that you need is 2 capacitors and a voltmeter. Sorry if I am just stating the obvious :P

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Old 04-22-2009, 11:53 AM
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Raui,
You have got a great idea there. Unfortunately, i think its still a little more complicated than that, Ill probably have to figure out the saturation point of my setup first. Otherwise i could just be wasting cap A's energy if im using more than i need. But you are right, i probably could at least get some kind of idea doing an experiment like that. Honestly i was thinking this might be some well known event and someone would have told me what this is by now, but i still havnt heard an explanation yet.

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Old 04-22-2009, 12:42 PM
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cody,
you're just adding your muscle energy to it, that's all, IMHO.

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Old 04-23-2009, 12:49 AM
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ABC,
You bring up a good point. I am mainly just trying to figure out why it is behaving in this strange manor, not trying to use it for overunity. I really just want an explanation for what its doing
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Old 04-23-2009, 02:07 PM
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My first thought is that after you pull off holder bar there is some residual magnetisation on the poles of PMH. So, when you put holder back on and turn it on because of the residual magnetization less current is needed to fully saturate core. Could you connect ampermeter instead of LED? In that way we can check if there is no current going through circuit or if there is just less circuit going through circuit. I suspect the latter will be the case.
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Old 04-23-2009, 09:31 PM
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I was thinking it might be residual magnetism too, but you do a very good job of explaining it. Im not using soft iron so it does retain some residual magnetism. I believe you are correct, thank you. Ill do some current tests. Do you think this effect could in any way be usefull for anything, or am i looking at a dead end here?
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Old 04-23-2009, 10:20 PM
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Well, so far I haven't seen anything than what one wouldn't expect to see according to textbooks.

But please do more measurements. Put analogue ampermeter in series and see what it shows. I would suggest for you to measure residual flux but I suspect you don't have gaussmeter.
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Old 04-24-2009, 02:19 AM
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Flux Capacitor?

Gaussmeter: one of the many instruments on my wish list

Has anyone seen the movie "Back To The Future"? It just occured to me that the device that opperated his time machine was called a flux capacitor. Leedskalnin's PMH seems to be a flux capacitor.
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Old 07-10-2009, 03:58 AM
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You guys admire Ed for wrong reasons

Ed was a curious individual and he read a lot of the electricity books at local library. What most of you consider PMH was Ed's discovery, I have news. PMH was discovered long before Ed's time. And now you all take it as his invention only because you did not know it from the school books.

While is still in the public domain, I recommend you to download this book (http://www.archive.org/download/davi...00davirich.pdf) and learn what is not thought in nowadays manuals. In the original document page 80 you will find the figure 54 with the PMH and on the next page you will read:
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If, however, the armature is applied to the poles, and the flow of the current is stopped while it is attached, it will continue to adhere for weeks or months with great force, so as to be able to sustain one third or one half as much weight as while the current was circulating. But if once removed, nearly the whole magnetism will disappear, and the magnet, if of good iron, will not even be able to lift an ounce.
Note 1: For all of you truly interested in research, start with this manual; there are things not thought in nowadays manuals.

Note 2: Ed's genius was not the PMH as it was common knowledge in his time. He found it in the books and tried to make it a learning tool. As an example is the commonly known transformer (which BTW is not built as in old times on U+I shape core but rather E+I shape nowadays). I believe though he accomplished more than he described in his writings. We may never know what his patent application was all about. However, his genius took the PMH (again not his discovery) as a start point and found a way to fulfil his vision.

So just replicating an experiment considered common knowledge [at least] in 1842, won't put you on Ed's imagination. If you have yours, go nuts. At least this is what I try.
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Old 07-11-2009, 12:03 AM
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Questions?

Is it possible that the flywheel Ed was using is in fact a T model Ford item, standing upright?

I ask as the engine block and crankshaft beneath have never been identified here to my knowledge, and they do appear to resemble the T model Ford items, without con rods and pistons.

Whilst reading other posts, a link was provided which took me to a site that sells the flywheel and magnets, and the images of those components did resemble the flywheel Ed was using.
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Old 07-11-2009, 12:35 AM
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Magnets prevent AC flow in one direction

This is sort-of Leedskalnin notion.
Magnets can be used to prevent AC from flowing or enhance
it flowing depending upon polarity.

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Old 07-11-2009, 02:19 AM
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Rosco yes it is from a Ford T Model.
Other Pictures shows another Part there, laying around. i did only wonder, why he had not coils there anymore.
But they probatly did remove some Parts there after Ed died 'suddenly' at cancer.

Thanks for the Pdf Barbosi, for my Part, i wil read it.

Morpher, maybe not the Theme here, but i did look since a while for this.
Is there any preferred Direction of the Poles at rectifying?
I found out lately, that facing the Southpole against the 'Plus' gives anyhow a good result at generating Current.
Funny, that Ceramicmagnets usual dont lead Current.
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Old 07-11-2009, 09:23 AM
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[QUOTE=Joit;59998]Rosco yes it is from a Ford T Model.
Other Pictures shows another Part there, laying around. i did only wonder, why he had not coils there anymore.
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Thank you Joit.

While researching aspects of Ed's work today, I've stumbled upon several curiosities that weren't apparent to me on earlier visits.

Yes, I note the T model Ford flywheel, which he modified away from the standard "sweet sixteen" arrangement, thus turning it into the 24 magnet arrangement.

I also note that the first release T models had places cast into the bellhousing which apparently took magnets, which thus allowed these engines to run without gasoline, or so the story goes...

Upon closer examination of the wire coils Ed wrapped around the bottles, I note he's wrapped them all 1 way, that being the "right hand twist", which is un-natural to a right handed person.

At first I presumed Ed may have been left handed, but upon reading his writings, and comparing them to the DNA double helix as well as several other sources, I now know that all these use the same "right hand twist" approach deliberately.

This gives me cause now to ponder the possibilities of using this "right hand twist" arrangement in a set of copper tube spark plug leads.

Oddly, my copper tube leads were all wrapped "left hand twist", and while that may not seem to be a big deal, I have noticed that one of the cells on my battery has been overflowing for a few months now, which is quite puzzling as a cell ordinarily doesn't "make" electrolyte, thus it's a highly unusual occurrence.

If I remove the copper tube leads, the overflowing cell issue goes away.

I'm now wondering if this "issue" may be related to the left hand twist being used, rather than the right hand twist approach.

My plan now is to strip my leads and start again, wrapping them all the "right" way and watching that cell to see if the overflow issue has been remedied.

I find Ed to be a highly interesting character, and it's pleasantly easy to lose an entire day looking here and there and following "leads".
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Morpher, maybe not the Theme here, but i did look since a while for this.
Is there any preferred Direction of the Poles at rectifying?
I found out lately, that facing the Southpole against the 'Plus' gives anyhow a good result at generating Current.
Funny, that Ceramicmagnets usual dont lead Current.
Hi Joit,
You know I didn't pay attention to which polarity was which, so some
experimentation is in order to figure that out.
I think rectifying is really the wrong word here.
There is current flow, regardless of magnetic polarity.
But, in one polarity direction the ac current flow is enhanced ... in the other
it is decimated. This flow is from a high voltage oscillating potential
to ground. AC flows back & forth and so you would expect symmetry,
but that is not what we see here.

This video is interesting with respect to so called free-energy
and magnetic PUSH:

YouTube - Psychic intuitive: Predicted medical advances and free energy
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Perpetual Motion Holder Clapper?

It occurred to me that Hendershot's Fuelless Generator may be using
a Leedskalnin idea. Here is an experiment along these lines:

YouTube - Hendershot meets Leedskalnin (Perpetual Clapper)
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Old 08-12-2009, 06:29 PM
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Hi Morpher,
My condolence for your Relais, and thanks for the Vid links, quite interesting.
I dont know the exactly Setup from Hendershots device, even, when i saw a couple Pictures from it.
But i did guess anything like that, because a coil with a Magnet is not for generating Current, its more for build up a EM Field.
But i think, the Idea of using the magnetpath through Iron is more often used, only fogotten or ignored.
Someone did post a Video at an other Post, where it did show, when he push 10 Amps through the Coils, there are still 6 Amps left at the PMH.
Not sure, if the Meter is crazy, and/or the 10Amps are accurate, because, 10 Amps, you need thick wires.
But with the Force, what you got at the ironbar, you can guess it, it is about that.
And Btw, i think, when you use more Ironsheets, where the Sheets are with the thin Side standing at the U, it maybe gives a better Field.
Because through each Sheet will run Current through. And there is Current inside running.
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I came across this series of papers while researching Leedskalnin:
F.D. Tombe aether theory
While some of it is hard to agree with there are answers to some questions I've had that were raised in my research.

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I have a new vid i would like to share. Basically it goes over what the pmh has taught me about cores when using dc applications. Some of you may already know this stuff, i still have much to learn and this device has taught me a lot. I dont go into what effect resonance has on it, more things to be tested. I hope this info will be be useful for designing coils, such as getting the right amount of inductance without killing your desired output effect.

YouTube - Ed Leedskalnin Magnet 4
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Thanks for the Video Cody.
I think, it demonstrates well some basic Things,
what someone can keep in Mind to remember and consider it,
when building a Core.
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hi everyone...

just wondering...has anyone noticed a heat type distortion around an energized PMH?...i built a circular PMH, 1/2" steel rod bent into a 12" circle with a 1/4" gap...with one coil of wire near the gap,20 to 30 turns of transformer wire, i energize the PMH with a DC battery and the ring locks together, closing the gap and staying that way just like a U shaped PMH with a top bar....here is the thing....i can see what looks like a heat wave around the steel and the copper coil too...other metals seem to radiate this wave also, like gold and silver...this seems to work best when the other metals are ring shaped....i saw a video where a copper ring was influenced by a magnet, but the same size ring with a gap was not influenced by the same magnet....david
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What dc voltage and amps did you use?
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i saw a video where a copper ring was influenced by a magnet, but the same size ring with a gap was not influenced by the same magnet....david
Are you talking about a quick pass of a magnet over the ring? eddy currents.

It would be interesting to see the effects of a PMH constructed with a part of it as an iron or steel coil. The easiest part to replace would be replace the straight keeper with an iron/steel coil. Basically a regular pmh with a ferromagnetic coil AS a part of the iron/steel loop. Then you would have a kept magnetic current going around in a spiral, and you can put measuring devices in the middle of the ferromagnetic spiral to measure for anomalies.

By making the iron bar hollow you just direct the force away from the middle. By changing the element or adding gaps you reduce / eliminate the force's power.
The only real way to control the force is by construction and shape of your iron middle core.
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