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Old 06-27-2010, 05:11 AM
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Dr. Stiffler,

Your research is AMAZING and very important, so...

1. Try not to take everything personal

and

2. Don't feed the trolls, ignore them

Please continue with your research, it has tremendous value to all.

Now, back to "diode in the water". Do you think it can be moved to the outside of the container?

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Any electro-chemist worth his salt knows that such simplifications of reaction formula are for convenience only. One should know that many short lived species are formed during such reaction in water and are not accounted for in simplified reactions mainly because they are very difficult to trap and prove, yet that does not invalidate their existence and contribution.

So how do you (if you do) account for the virtual particle reactions that are supplied by the energy lattice during UWB excitation? Maybe you have no knowledge of the lattice and how it operates under UWB.
OK Doc, my last post was a bit of a knee-jerk reaction to your somewhat patronising post. I actually have nothing but praise for your work, and wanted nothing more than intelligent discussion - it was simply your high-horse attitude that got my back up.

You don't know me (and I'm no Chemist or Electrochemist), but I'm all too aware of the simplification of chemical reactions in the way they are depicted. I'm actually someone that digs as deep as I can into the common chemical reactions that most people take for granted. I often annoy and offend people by droning on and on, asking the questions that others do not.

The fact is that years ago I suggested that we did not need current flow through a cell to initiate electrolysis of water (There is an old thread of mine over on Hartmanns, OverUnity forum - Dissociation of the Water Molecule).

I am not well versed in virtual particles of the energy lattice, but at the end of the day we have a chemical reaction taking place. I was simply offering my thoughts on the likely reaction taking place and why - I saw no reason to over-complicate things in my first posts.

I would have been quite happy with a half-decent response to my post, with your views on what I had said... but nothing.

I take it you must at least have your own interpretation of the reactions taking place, though I can't say that I've seen your thoughts on this posted anywhere.

So can I ask then exactly what reactions you think are taking place... and why?

Contrary to what you and others may think, I do actually have a brain, I'm relatively well-educated and - unlike some others around here - I'm more than capable of thinking for myself.

Perhaps we can start afresh, eh?
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Well I think you know the next step and that is to increase production to a value that will sustain a flame and or allow for storage. This gets a bit tricky as I am fully aware that most that post on these forums have little knowledge on how to handle a meaningful volume of Hydrogen. I'm sure you have seem the pop bottle and plastic hose setup that are all so common.

Please check often on the web site (SS) and as we have the time the SGGS data will be completed. The secret here is 'You need nothing in the water' forget electrodes. What I have been showing for the last five years was to lead up to this point. Strangely, attention was not obtained until the diode in the water just shown and few even grasp what that imply s.

Stay tuned it will not be posted here as I made another mistake thinking it may have improved.
Hi Doc, I'm not aware of you producing gas without any electrodes (or any charge exchange medium) present in the water at all... or are you not classing the diodes as electrodes?

As far as I'm aware, only the late John Kansius, has ever produced gas from water containing no electrodes whatsoever. It was however salt water. But it might be of interest to you to know that this was occurring at a frequency of 13.56 MHz - ring any bells?

http://rustumroy.com/Scans/Observati...2%20is%201.pdf
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Old 06-28-2010, 08:20 PM
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Hi all and Dr. Stiffler.

First of all please excuse me if some stupid or mispelled words, English is not
my best, sorry.

I'd like to share some experiences all of you already mastered, and maybe seems too simple for you, but IŽd like to share and have some feedback if possible:

Related to NILS:
I configured a 18-1 SEC as per DR. Stiffler document, eliminated diode and caps and added an 6+ and 3- white led as AV plug.
After changing some lazy batteries I've obtained following data:

Date HH _____ TotalHH ___ V ___ mA ___ V-v __ HH ___ V/h
19/06/10 18:35 ________ 6,53 ___ 8
20/06/10 12:40 18:05:00_ 6,46 ___ 8 ___ 0,07 __ 18 __ 0,0039
TOTAL 18 h 8mA Volts rate 0.0039 v/h
----
20/06/10 17:45 ________ 6,45 ___ 17
21/06/10 22:05 28:20:00_ 6,33 ___ 17 ___0,12 __ 28,3 __ 0,0042
TOTAL 28+ h 17mA Volts rate 0.0042 v/h
----
23/06/10 05:55 ________ 6,43 ___ 11 ___ Xtra AV LEDs
25/06/10 15:40 57:45:00_ 6,34 ___ 11 ___ 0,09 __ 57,75 __ 0,0016
TOTAL 57+ h 11mA Volts rate 0.0016 v/h

Batteries were 5 x 1,2v NiMh 2300 mAh more or less 7v fully charged, but loses a lot until they reach 6,5v, so I discarded values avove 6,5v (Cheap batteries)

SEC Frecuency is between 6,47 to 8,2 Mhz, it varies continuously.
I'm not sure if this is a normal SEC behaviour or my cheap scope is too cheap (OWON PDS 7102)

As I have not better bench or intruments some data may not be acquired in the best conditions, but it seems that lowering the current that decreases a little the perceived ligth, will not extend too much battery life

8 mA = 0.0039 volt/hour
17mA = 0.0042 volt/hour
In those experiments, the 3- leds brigthness is less than the 6+ and did not
found easy to make them equal.

Now the effect I found interesting:
Adding one or two (I used two) chained AV plugs to L3 coil end, seems (in my case) to increase the 6+3- AV ligth output as well as each plug reduces in 0.5mA the current to the SEC (2 AV plugs = -0.1mA)

Also The 3- leds got much brighter, so both chains 6+ and 3- seemed to be equal ligth output.

The interesting thing seems to be that accumulated volts decreases much less with those two added AV plugs. (57.75 hours, 11mA, 0.09v that is 0.0016 volts/hour)

Have you experienced something similar?

I found that in my case two AV plugs seem to be the limit for my setup, a 3rd chained plug increases current up 4 mA and decreases ligth output, I did not performed a long run thest with that config.



RELATED TO ELECTROLYSIS
I used my second SEC as received, and found the effect described, although gas production is not as high as shown by Dr. Stiffler or Lidmotor.
I used 16 volts supply (6v + 10v SLA batts)

The problem I have is that my scope is telling me that frecuency is around 14 Mhz, and I can't find how to reduce such high frecuency.

Can you please help me in such issue.

Thanks in advance and my best whishes for all.
And my biggest admiration to Dr. Stiffler work.

Ricardo

I apologise for having so limited English, sorry.
I'll try to add some photos, for the NILS test without and With AV plugs, L2 and L3 waves and some of the obtained gas.
@oldie
Thank you for looking at NILS and I will comment further in a few hours on what you show. Sadly NILS has and is being attacked by someone, regardless we still hope to do the full patent app. before our conditional time runs out.

We and our associates working with NILS have been attacked in many ways we are not going to talk about here, but it is serious and many interested people have been informed of what is taking place.

In a short statement, NILS has cost my associates and myself in excess of three quarters of a million dollars in damage so far and we are just waiting for what is next. We have about six month to file a full patent app on the technology. Maybe and maybe not.

Anyway the technology as we now have it is sound and worth working with. In fact we at the lab just a few weeks ago suffered a 14 hour power outage and NILS saved the day.

I will respond to you like I say in a few hours. Great work and effort on your part and much appreciated.
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I know its been a while since I posted here - Ive been on hiatus...

But I have been demonstrating the water tower method of wireless energy transfer to children. Maybe it will wake up some bright minds?

Best of luck to you Dr. Stiffler. Sorry to hear that your hard work is under attack.

Sometimes... Late at night, while im staring at my crystal nils, I feel I can hear the oscillator very very faintly... it makes all the coils in my workshop sing in unison... It sounds like a thousand cop cars all with their sirens on. The color change LEDs give a constantly changing load so the UWB sweeps everywhere...

Still amazed.

Remember... The world is your shopping cart when playing with small voltages.
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Thank you for looking at NILS and I will comment further in a few hours on what you show. Sadly NILS has and is being attacked by someone, regardless we still hope to do the full patent app. before our conditional time runs out.

We and our associates working with NILS have been attacked in many ways we are not going to talk about here, but it is serious and many interested people have been informed of what is taking place.

In a short statement, NILS has cost my associates and myself in excess of three quarters of a million dollars in damage so far and we are just waiting for what is next. We have about six month to file a full patent app on the technology. Maybe and maybe not.

Anyway the technology as we now have it is sound and worth working with. In fact we at the lab just a few weeks ago suffered a 14 hour power outage and NILS saved the day.

I will respond to you like I say in a few hours. Great work and effort on your part and much appreciated.
@ Dr. Stiffler,
Many Thanks for your answer and words, and sorry for the bad news you tell.
I'm sure you will find the best way.

I think there's much more in this NILS than it is seen on a first view, as well as the SEC itself, I sent you a mail answering boards order that I hope could be of interest.

I look forward for your comments, I have the biggest interest in understanding and advace further, as said, I think this is a more than important technology.

I continue to collect data on NILS, it seems that it uses more power some times, and less other times, I'm trying to find how it rules.

Best wishes from Spain.
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Old 06-29-2010, 08:31 PM
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Hi all and Dr. Stiffler.

First of all please excuse me if some stupid or mispelled words, English is not
my best, sorry.

I'd like to share some experiences all of you already mastered, and maybe seems too simple for you, but IŽd like to share and have some feedback if possible:

Related to NILS:
I configured a 18-1 SEC as per DR. Stiffler document, eliminated diode and caps and added an 6+ and 3- white led as AV plug.
After changing some lazy batteries I've obtained following data:

Date HH _____ TotalHH ___ V ___ mA ___ V-v __ HH ___ V/h
19/06/10 18:35 ________ 6,53 ___ 8
20/06/10 12:40 18:05:00_ 6,46 ___ 8 ___ 0,07 __ 18 __ 0,0039
TOTAL 18 h 8mA Volts rate 0.0039 v/h
----
20/06/10 17:45 ________ 6,45 ___ 17
21/06/10 22:05 28:20:00_ 6,33 ___ 17 ___0,12 __ 28,3 __ 0,0042
TOTAL 28+ h 17mA Volts rate 0.0042 v/h
----
23/06/10 05:55 ________ 6,43 ___ 11 ___ Xtra AV LEDs
25/06/10 15:40 57:45:00_ 6,34 ___ 11 ___ 0,09 __ 57,75 __ 0,0016
TOTAL 57+ h 11mA Volts rate 0.0016 v/h

Batteries were 5 x 1,2v NiMh 2300 mAh more or less 7v fully charged, but loses a lot until they reach 6,5v, so I discarded values avove 6,5v (Cheap batteries)

SEC Frecuency is between 6,47 to 8,2 Mhz, it varies continuously.
I'm not sure if this is a normal SEC behaviour or my cheap scope is too cheap (OWON PDS 7102)

As I have not better bench or intruments some data may not be acquired in the best conditions, but it seems that lowering the current that decreases a little the perceived ligth, will not extend too much battery life

8 mA = 0.0039 volt/hour
17mA = 0.0042 volt/hour
In those experiments, the 3- leds brigthness is less than the 6+ and did not
found easy to make them equal.

Now the effect I found interesting:
Adding one or two (I used two) chained AV plugs to L3 coil end, seems (in my case) to increase the 6+3- AV ligth output as well as each plug reduces in 0.5mA the current to the SEC (2 AV plugs = -0.1mA)

Also The 3- leds got much brighter, so both chains 6+ and 3- seemed to be equal ligth output.

The interesting thing seems to be that accumulated volts decreases much less with those two added AV plugs. (57.75 hours, 11mA, 0.09v that is 0.0016 volts/hour)

Have you experienced something similar?

I found that in my case two AV plugs seem to be the limit for my setup, a 3rd chained plug increases current up 4 mA and decreases ligth output, I did not performed a long run thest with that config.



RELATED TO ELECTROLYSIS
I used my second SEC as received, and found the effect described, although gas production is not as high as shown by Dr. Stiffler or Lidmotor.
I used 16 volts supply (6v + 10v SLA batts)

The problem I have is that my scope is telling me that frecuency is around 14 Mhz, and I can't find how to reduce such high frecuency.

Can you please help me in such issue.

Thanks in advance and my best whishes for all.
And my biggest admiration to Dr. Stiffler work.

Ricardo

I apologise for having so limited English, sorry.
I'll try to add some photos, for the NILS test without and With AV plugs, L2 and L3 waves and some of the obtained gas.
@oldie
Sorry, a few hours turned into a bunch of hours.
It appears to us that in you electrolysis pictures that you were using tap water? The best way to get the best results is to tune into for example 48 white LEDs. This will present about the same impedance as a distilled water cell and provide an electrostatic field of approx. 3.2 X 48 = 153+ volts at the excitation ring. Tune to the LED's then disconnect the LEDs and connect the excitation ring and you should be good to go.

A note on scopes. What you can obtain from a scope is very limited and indeed you can obtain more info from just a few LEDs than the scope, UNLESS the scope can go to 1GHz in bandwidth, and of course the OWON will not do this.

Even with a 1GHz scope you never want to connect to any direct point in the Exciter (unless you use a 100:1) probe. The best and most instructive way to view what is taking place is to view the environment around the circuit. This is done with a "Sniffer" coil. You will indeed fine much information when looking in this way. What you want to see is the (effect) the exciter is having on the Lattice and not what is really taking place in the exciter, (although this has value). A "Sniffer" coil will allow you to examine the Lattice, which is what is indeed aiding in the process, be that lighting of LEDs or the electrolysis.

NILS in the configurations shown on this forum and others, does not have a CEC>1, yet what we hope to obtain a patent on does indeed have a CEC>1. Now NILS should when done correctly (as present here) should get you to a point close to 96% eff. I don't think anyone will disagree with this???

Great work and do keep at it and watch our web site. We are trying to get info out as fast as we can, yet there are many projects and only so many hours and one must rest a bit.

Oh! one last thing. With the electrolysis, don't worry about electrodes (diodes etc) they are not needed. You will see soon that we have mastered a totally new approach to the break down of water.
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Old 06-29-2010, 08:39 PM
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I know its been a while since I posted here - Ive been on hiatus...

But I have been demonstrating the water tower method of wireless energy transfer to children. Maybe it will wake up some bright minds?

Best of luck to you Dr. Stiffler. Sorry to hear that your hard work is under attack.

Sometimes... Late at night, while im staring at my crystal nils, I feel I can hear the oscillator very very faintly... it makes all the coils in my workshop sing in unison... It sounds like a thousand cop cars all with their sirens on. The color change LEDs give a constantly changing load so the UWB sweeps everywhere...

Still amazed.

Remember... The world is your shopping cart when playing with small voltages.
@CosmicFarmer
Man! You better open a window and clear that smoke out, it may be getting to you.

In all seriousness, you may indeed hear something. We all think from time to time that something is making a noise or something does not feel quite right.

When you disturb the lattice (vibrate, excite, distort) you can under the right conditions cause a slight temporal shift. Okay with the small exciters we are only talking a millisecond at best, but that is enough for a normal person to detect and feel that something is offset a bit, really no connecting it all.

You really would trip out with a 30W unit. Think a delay in process of say 300-575mSec. Great fun indeed.
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Hi Doc, I'm not aware of you producing gas without any electrodes (or any charge exchange medium) present in the water at all... or are you not classing the diodes as electrodes?

As far as I'm aware, only the late John Kansius, has ever produced gas from water containing no electrodes whatsoever. It was however salt water. But it might be of interest to you to know that this was occurring at a frequency of 13.56 MHz - ring any bells?

http://rustumroy.com/Scans/Observati...2%20is%201.pdf
@Farrah Day
WOW!
Well, you sow me yours and I'll show you mine. Where can we see some of your actual work? Don't care about the reaction formula stuff, we will muddle through that somehow. Like pictures of setups and well the usual things??

I think you need to understand a bit better what John was doing, there is indeed Hydrogen in the mix, a cheap Spectrometer looking at a flame from his work and my flame will easily prove different you idea.
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WOW!
Well, you sow me yours and I'll show you mine. Where can we see some of your actual work? Don't care about the reaction formula stuff, we will muddle through that somehow. Like pictures of setups and well the usual things??

I think you need to understand a bit better what John was doing, there is indeed Hydrogen in the mix, a cheap Spectrometer looking at a flame from his work and my flame will easily prove different you idea.
Hi Doc.

Well you're full of surprises aren't you - I'd just about given up on a response. However, you've just earned yourself a few Brownie points. Hell, I might even put you back on my Christmas card list.

I can see that you're a practical kind of guy, but surely the actual reactions taking place must be of some importance to you - they certainly are to me as I'm not one for blindly 'muddling' through.

Is this a test? I think you know as well as me that Kanzius was not dissociating water and producing hydrogen and oxygen, rather that it was the sodium chloride reacting.

I'm somewhat bemused though Doc. If you're not interested in the reactions that are occurring and are prepared to just let them be, how can you possibly make sense of anything? I'm struggling to follow the logic behind this statement.

It's good to talk, but I've got to say Doc, you're a bit of an Enigma.

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Oh! one last thing. With the electrolysis, don't worry about electrodes (diodes etc) they are not needed. You will see soon that we have mastered a totally new approach to the break down of water.
Incidentally Doc, I'm really looking forward to this. No electrodes whatsoever - this will be truly interesting. You have my full attention!
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Hi Doc, I'm not aware of you producing gas without any electrodes (or any charge exchange medium) present in the water at all... or are you not classing the diodes as electrodes?

As far as I'm aware, only the late John Kansius, has ever produced gas from water containing no electrodes whatsoever. It was however salt water. But it might be of interest to you to know that this was occurring at a frequency of 13.56 MHz - ring any bells?

http://rustumroy.com/Scans/Observati...2%20is%201.pdf
Your main focus should be on the input power, ask you this question, do a sec use enough power to make electrolysis ? include the loss as inverse square law for wave propagation and the loss in the system and find where the energy come from to break the bound to separate the water. I think its more in that way Dr Stiffler want us to see what happen. What he showed is alot more important than you think, i started working on that project more than a year ago and never stopped for a good reason.

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Your main focus should be on the input power, ask you this question, do a sec use enough power to make electrolysis ? include the loss as inverse square law for wave propagation and the loss in the system and find where the energy come from to break the bound to separate the water. I think its more in that way Dr Stiffler want us to see what happen. What he showed is alot more important than you think, i started working on that project more than a year ago and never stopped for a good reason.

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With respect EgmQC, it's clear that the Doc and myself have different objectives. Whereas the Doc apparently has little interest in the reactions taking place, and feels this can be sorted out later, I feel this way about the input power.

I know just how important this is, as it confirms a lot of suspicions regarding electrolysis that I've had pinging around in my head for years. The fact that this proves we can get water to ionise by EMR without passing an external current through the water is the big breakthrough here.

Our priorities would appear to be different, that's all.

Water constantly self-ionises to a certain extent from molecular interactions. Clearly a SEC produces enough energy to ionise the water, as do other ccts, such as JD's exciter hybrids. Once there are ionic species therein it only requires a charge exchange medium to evolve the gases - no extra energy.

From my point of view, if we can get to understand the electro-chemical reactions taking place and why, then we are in a better position to develop the process.
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My replication of SGGS

@All
I used my SEC 18-1 exciter with trimmer cap to adjust the load and got a replication of Dr. Stiffler's latest electrolysis experiment. The gas production is not as Dr. Stiffler's experiment but i'm working with only 480 mW of power (12V - 40mA) from PS.
The first picture shows the data from SA (note the marker at 6.50Mhz).
The second picture shows the gas production.
The latest pictures show the setup.

We must replicate because it will help the Dr. Stiffler's work.

Thanks Dr. Stiffler for all you are doing for us.

Luco from Italy
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Sorry, a few hours turned into a bunch of hours.
It appears to us that in you electrolysis pictures that you were using tap water? The best way to get the best results is to tune into for example 48 white LEDs. This will present about the same impedance as a distilled water cell and provide an electrostatic field of approx. 3.2 X 48 = 153+ volts at the excitation ring. Tune to the LED's then disconnect the LEDs and connect the excitation ring and you should be good to go.

A note on scopes. What you can obtain from a scope is very limited and indeed you can obtain more info from just a few LEDs than the scope, UNLESS the scope can go to 1GHz in bandwidth, and of course the OWON will not do this.

Even with a 1GHz scope you never want to connect to any direct point in the Exciter (unless you use a 100:1) probe. The best and most instructive way to view what is taking place is to view the environment around the circuit. This is done with a "Sniffer" coil. You will indeed fine much information when looking in this way. What you want to see is the (effect) the exciter is having on the Lattice and not what is really taking place in the exciter, (although this has value). A "Sniffer" coil will allow you to examine the Lattice, which is what is indeed aiding in the process, be that lighting of LEDs or the electrolysis.

NILS in the configurations shown on this forum and others, does not have a CEC>1, yet what we hope to obtain a patent on does indeed have a CEC>1. Now NILS should when done correctly (as present here) should get you to a point close to 96% eff. I don't think anyone will disagree with this???

Great work and do keep at it and watch our web site. We are trying to get info out as fast as we can, yet there are many projects and only so many hours and one must rest a bit.

Oh! one last thing. With the electrolysis, don't worry about electrodes (diodes etc) they are not needed. You will see soon that we have mastered a totally new approach to the break down of water.

Dear Dr. Stiffler,

Again thanks for your answer, and all that info, I'll keep an eye on your site.
And yes, it was tap water, I will play a little more soon


Concerning NILS
I continue collecting data on NILS as you can find on attached table and graphic.
Although I don't still see any rule as day / night, hot /cold, that relates to power requirement, I found that in some periods battery voltage get stuck for a while, it seems to be for near an hour, but this happen on any moment, and I don't know if it could even be a "fault" of the battery itself.
I'm using a SLA 6V 4AH (not chinesse) unit.

As you can see it losses a lot at the begining, maybe because I did not allow it to settle after charging.
In one occasion bat. voltage even climbed up, as said, maybe a battery efect...


TWO COILS SEC
Concerning the SEC itself, I have had not success avoiding the "what if..?" game and as I still have only a L3 coil, I have played winding some coils in the 23 - 27 uH range (calculated), they seem to work more or less as expected, lighting the 48 led panels with little adjustement.

As I have been playing also with the AV plug, that sees a lot of "energy" around the coil as well as the coil end wire, I asked myself if all that energy could be felt not only by the plug, so I wound some 24-27 uH coils and inserted them along the coil end wire...

As you can see on the photos, those added coils are capturing something from the single wire, to power up not only a single AV led, but enough to ligth up a second 48 led array!!

Well this is not completely free, first LED array dims a little, but after adjusting the capacitor, both led arrays are brigh, not so brigth as the first one alone, but as per my "ceiling subjective ligth spot meter" maybe a little more than one led panel alone, don't you think this is more than simply fun?

Unfortunately I have nothing better than the "room ceiling meter", or the "post it notes proximity meters" that you can see on the photos, maybe I got more excitement than ligth and this is a complete waste of time, but I found it interesting enough to wind some more coils and play some more runs.

I found that same inductance coils seem to collect, more or less same power, no matter if coils were wound with 0.5mm wire over 20mm diam. coil or 0.2mm wire over 10mm diameter coil, as far as inductance match that range. all coils are wound on paper tubes, not plastic.

Bigger or lower inductance seems to destroy the effect, at least on the adjustement capacitor range, maybe bigger cap helps with other coil values? other L2, L3... Hmmm how much things to test...


Along with this I found that coils position play a role on the circuit, one centimeter more on the rigth or on the left of the wire makes the whole spaguetti be more or less affected by the body proximity, in some points I can touch the wires and it does not affect the effect, in other points (moving the little coil one centimeter rigth or left on the single wire) just approaching my hand to any of the spaguetti loose wires 10 cm away, kills one panel, and power up the other...

I'll try the sniffer coil, I think there's much more around all this that is not evident and hard to see, thanks Dr.

I'd like to better understand it all, but I'm affraid that my brain is not what it used to be... well in fact, I don't remember what it used to be... (sctatch, scratch...)

Well, enough for a while, I'll go to scratch my head a little more.


Again my best regards and wishes Dr. and all.

Ricardo
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Dear Dr. Stiffler,

Again thanks for your answer, and all that info, I'll keep an eye on your site.
And yes, it was tap water, I will play a little more soon


Concerning NILS
I continue collecting data on NILS as you can find on attached table and graphic.
Although I don't still see any rule as day / night, hot /cold, that relates to power requirement, I found that in some periods battery voltage get stuck for a while, it seems to be for near an hour, but this happen on any moment, and I don't know if it could even be a "fault" of the battery itself.
I'm using a SLA 6V 4AH (not chinesse) unit.

As you can see it losses a lot at the begining, maybe because I did not allow it to settle after charging.
In one occasion bat. voltage even climbed up, as said, maybe a battery efect...


TWO COILS SEC
Concerning the SEC itself, I have had not success avoiding the "what if..?" game and as I still have only a L3 coil, I have played winding some coils in the 23 - 27 uH range (calculated), they seem to work more or less as expected, lighting the 48 led panels with little adjustement.

As I have been playing also with the AV plug, that sees a lot of "energy" around the coil as well as the coil end wire, I asked myself if all that energy could be felt not only by the plug, so I wound some 24-27 uH coils and inserted them along the coil end wire...

As you can see on the photos, those added coils are capturing something from the single wire, to power up not only a single AV led, but enough to ligth up a second 48 led array!!

Well this is not completely free, first LED array dims a little, but after adjusting the capacitor, both led arrays are brigh, not so brigth as the first one alone, but as per my "ceiling subjective ligth spot meter" maybe a little more than one led panel alone, don't you think this is more than simply fun?

Unfortunately I have nothing better than the "room ceiling meter", or the "post it notes proximity meters" that you can see on the photos, maybe I got more excitement than ligth and this is a complete waste of time, but I found it interesting enough to wind some more coils and play some more runs.

I found that same inductance coils seem to collect, more or less same power, no matter if coils were wound with 0.5mm wire over 20mm diam. coil or 0.2mm wire over 10mm diameter coil, as far as inductance match that range. all coils are wound on paper tubes, not plastic.

Bigger or lower inductance seems to destroy the effect, at least on the adjustement capacitor range, maybe bigger cap helps with other coil values? other L2, L3... Hmmm how much things to test...


Along with this I found that coils position play a role on the circuit, one centimeter more on the rigth or on the left of the wire makes the whole spaguetti be more or less affected by the body proximity, in some points I can touch the wires and it does not affect the effect, in other points (moving the little coil one centimeter rigth or left on the single wire) just approaching my hand to any of the spaguetti loose wires 10 cm away, kills one panel, and power up the other...

I'll try the sniffer coil, I think there's much more around all this that is not evident and hard to see, thanks Dr.

I'd like to better understand it all, but I'm affraid that my brain is not what it used to be... well in fact, I don't remember what it used to be... (sctatch, scratch...)

Well, enough for a while, I'll go to scratch my head a little more.


Again my best regards and wishes Dr. and all.

Ricardo
rcarrilero at yahoo . es

...scratch...
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Very nice!
I think if you go here http://67.76.235.52/SECExciter.htm and look down at the third schematic you will be interested. I'm sure with what you found the other circuit configurations will be of interest to you.
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I used my SEC 18-1 exciter with trimmer cap to adjust the load and got a replication of Dr. Stiffler's latest electrolysis experiment. The gas production is not as Dr. Stiffler's experiment but i'm working with only 480 mW of power (12V - 40mA) from PS.
The first picture shows the data from SA (note the marker at 6.50Mhz).
The second picture shows the gas production.
The latest pictures show the setup.

We must replicate because it will help the Dr. Stiffler's work.

Thanks Dr. Stiffler for all you are doing for us.

Luco from Italy
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Great job indeed and I will be getting back to you via PM soon. I have taken the liberty of adding your images with comments to a new page we are starting on our site. It's far from done so I won't give the public link just yet, will send to you.
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SGGS replication using a SEC 18-1 e

@Dr. Stiffler
I was able to replicate the SGGS experiment using the SEC 18-1e. In the video I am using one diode and plain tap water to show the most gas production.
I also setup the experiment using the Slayer exciter and made a video of that. That one is posted over at Jonny's thread.
Here is the video showing the SEC 18-1e working.

YouTube - Dr. Stiffler SEC 18 diode electrolysis.ASF

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Adding all to your PDF' guys.

here is ours crawling....amazing work ALL
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Very nice!
I think if you go here http://67.76.235.52/SECExciter.htm and look down at the third schematic you will be interested. I'm sure with what you found the other circuit configurations will be of interest to you.

Hello again Dr. Stiffler

I checked the sniffer coil, wow, too much there all around, although understanding it correctly is another history.

I have build some wireless towers, I have not been able to find exact measures as described on your instructions, they worked seamlessly, but results may differ from exact replications.

Tower coils are 143 turns tapped on 37th as per your instructions, diameter is a little bigger, 15mm.

Power suplly is 12,8v, current varies from 30 to 120mA, I'm still trying to figure out the rules, not always more current means more ligth, and transistor gest incredibly hot, that does not seem to be correct.

I found it easier to ligth the wireless leds without the upper caps, as you can see on the photos.

As you can see leds ligth up to 24 cm appart, but they are requiring the additional loose wire on the tap point, I can't figure what I'm doing wrong. On first try they ligth without that wire, and kept ligth up to 35 cm appart, just with a metal mass on the lower wire end, while playing around at different distances a connection get loose and it never ligth again, connectring the tap cable went on again.

I found it possible to ligth one led panel on the emitter and a second one on the receiver, however power seems to be shared, I have not been able to full power both panels, only one or another, or both dimly.


electrolysis
Dr. I have had no luck whit the LED adjustement trick jou suggested, but sure it's my fault, It seems that capacitance should play an important role and, I'm affraid my circuits are far from perfect. Everitime I touch anithing, it needs further adjustement, but it runs with one, two and four diodes.

Adding diodes did not increased power requirements, although obtaines gas is too dependant of my setup, sometimes after a while gas increases, other times it decreases, it seems to be very affected from body proximity and wires position over the table.

Sorry to have so little time, I just post to show the replication.

Again best regards from Spain
Ricardo
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Hello again Dr. Stiffler

I checked the sniffer coil, wow, too much there all around, although understanding it correctly is another history.

I have build some wireless towers, I have not been able to find exact measures as described on your instructions, they worked seamlessly, but results may differ from exact replications.

Tower coils are 143 turns tapped on 37th as per your instructions, diameter is a little bigger, 15mm.

Power suplly is 12,8v, current varies from 30 to 120mA, I'm still trying to figure out the rules, not always more current means more ligth, and transistor gest incredibly hot, that does not seem to be correct.

I found it easier to ligth the wireless leds without the upper caps, as you can see on the photos.

As you can see leds ligth up to 24 cm appart, but they are requiring the additional loose wire on the tap point, I can't figure what I'm doing wrong. On first try they ligth without that wire, and kept ligth up to 35 cm appart, just with a metal mass on the lower wire end, while playing around at different distances a connection get loose and it never ligth again, connectring the tap cable went on again.

I found it possible to ligth one led panel on the emitter and a second one on the receiver, however power seems to be shared, I have not been able to full power both panels, only one or another, or both dimly.


electrolysis
Dr. I have had no luck whit the LED adjustement trick jou suggested, but sure it's my fault, It seems that capacitance should play an important role and, I'm affraid my circuits are far from perfect. Everitime I touch anithing, it needs further adjustement, but it runs with one, two and four diodes.

Adding diodes did not increased power requirements, although obtaines gas is too dependant of my setup, sometimes after a while gas increases, other times it decreases, it seems to be very affected from body proximity and wires position over the table.

Sorry to have so little time, I just post to show the replication.

Again best regards from Spain
Ricardo
rcarrilero at yahoo . es
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Power suplly is 12,8v, current varies from 30 to 120mA, I'm still trying to figure out the rules, not always more current means more ligth, and transistor gest incredibly hot, that does not seem to be correct.
The last part is indeed correct. It is not a function of current and is a function of frequency and bandwidth.

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Wel if you are doing it with the AV Plug shown close to the cell, that is not what I was talking about. Take your 48 LED board and connect to the end of L3. Tune for maximum brightness with minimal heating of the transistor. You should find two spots, one bright and low current thus low heat and another with brightness and much heating.

Now when this point is found disconnect the LEDs and connect the cell.

Some of the reasons for transistor heating, to high of a supply voltage, over 12V and depends on the load type, LED Inductive, Capacitive etc. Next is what all the old timers know by heart and I say it in my sleep, "Tuning". This is not like a transmitter final, you don't try to tune for a current dip only, you have to match (observe) output when tuning.

Now the good reason for heating, you may actually be cohering and the additional energy is being dissipated in the transistor as heat. So how can you prove this? You must in this case use a calorimeter. You will be able to show that not only are you doing work at the output which can be calculated, but the amount of heat added to this work is at least 5X above the input.

I think all that have been proficient replicators will admit and it is so true, you need to work with and get close to this type of circuit, then it like you are in total control and it all starts to make sense to you.
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The last part is indeed correct. It is not a function of current and is a function of frequency and bandwidth.


Wel if you are doing it with the AV Plug shown close to the cell, that is not what I was talking about. Take your 48 LED board and connect to the end of L3. Tune for maximum brightness with minimal heating of the transistor. You should find two spots, one bright and low current thus low heat and another with brightness and much heating.

Now when this point is found disconnect the LEDs and connect the cell.

Some of the reasons for transistor heating, to high of a supply voltage, over 12V and depends on the load type, LED Inductive, Capacitive etc. Next is what all the old timers know by heart and I say it in my sleep, "Tuning". This is not like a transmitter final, you don't try to tune for a current dip only, you have to match (observe) output when tuning.

Now the good reason for heating, you may actually be cohering and the additional energy is being dissipated in the transistor as heat. So how can you prove this? You must in this case use a calorimeter. You will be able to show that not only are you doing work at the output which can be calculated, but the amount of heat added to this work is at least 5X above the input.

I think all that have been proficient replicators will admit and it is so true, you need to work with and get close to this type of circuit, then it like you are in total control and it all starts to make sense to you.
Doctor,

Again many thanks for your explanations.

Yes, I used the 48 led panel, the litle AV plug is only to fine tune, as it gives me, (maybe I'm wrong) some idea of what the water is receiving.

Concerning heat, I have not tried to measure, I just have my digital finger pain meter, but I nearly can assure 12v 50mA - 60mA is maybe too little power to drive a 500mA rated transistor so high. In fact, I tried the two transistor mod you suggested and got same results, maybe not so hot, but too much heat IMHO for so little current, don you agree?

I have been driving the circuit up to 60 70 mA in his standard setup to single wire ligth the led panel and found the transistor only a little warmth, but with the wireless setup less current went in much, much more heat.

Again thanks for your knowledge and time, I'm really amazed by the effects shown, and can assure will continue playing with it trying to understand what it's all about, that I'm sure can't be found in any book.

My best wishes and kindest regards.

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Wow! I can not believe that as long as this thread has been around that the detractors still get there pants all bunched up when I return for a period and show something, that to them is just common knowledge. So for the great day of the 4th of July in the US, I posted another video so they can all have a great time.

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Its funny the Doc does the lab work and people just question with out doing the same caliber of research, instead insist on trying to annoy the Doc, the Doc then asks them to show him the research and engineering knowledge that's matches this. Or even resembles it in the slightest, any takers? Thought so

So instead of annoying people the Doc is trying to teach you, pretty good lesson in engineering and social skills .
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Wow! I can not believe that as long as this thread has been around that the detractors still get there pants all bunched up when I return for a period and show something, that to them is just common knowledge. So for the great day of the 4th of July in the US, I posted another video so they can all have a great time.

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Surely you can't be talking about anyone around here Doc?

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So instead of annoying people the Doc is trying to teach you, pretty good lesson in engineering and social skills .
Yesterday 08:44 PM
I freely admit that my social skills are not the best, and while the Docs practical skills are enviable, from my experience recently I would say his social skills too are someway short of top draw.

Perhaps it's me, but I can't help getting the impression he's frightened that he just might learn something from someone other than himself.
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Wow! I can not believe that as long as this thread has been around that the detractors still get there pants all bunched up when I return for a period and show something, that to them is just common knowledge. So for the great day of the 4th of July in the US, I posted another video so they can all have a great time.

YouTube - Part#2 of SAVE THIS VIDEO
@ Dr. Stiffler,
Sorry, I'm getting completely lost, my English is far from perfect and perhaps I did not understand or write too correctly.

Is your post related to mine?
Did I say something unconvenient?, I think I was showing my admiration and interest for your work, maybe I said someting that's has been misunderstood, but I can't find it on my post...

Or maybe is now when I'm misunderstanding...sorry
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Sorry, I'm getting completely lost, my English is far from perfect and perhaps I did not understand or write too correctly.

Is your post related to mine?
Did I say something unconvenient?, I think I was showing my admiration and interest for your work, maybe I said someting that's has been misunderstood, but I can't find it on my post...

Or maybe is now when I'm misunderstanding...sorry
Ricardo
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No you are not an issue, you have done nothing wrong.

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Why do so many people feel guilt?

My last video reference was for two totally different forums and one in particular being the one I despise so very much (Hint?).

Oh! Yes, to the one that has a closed mind, I do not tolerate anyone that is so determined to not accept information out of their own shell. My frustration is its a total waste of talent to everyone. Rather than complain and spout text, show some picture, some math, some connection to clarify. If one just wants his/her name out there, take out an add covering you greatness, use you real names and stop hiding behind cutey pie symbols.
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I'd say it's because everyone knows that you're moody and temperamental, and your loyal subjects do not want to offend you by seemingly questioning your greatness.

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Oh! Yes, to the one that has a closed mind, I do not tolerate anyone that is so determined to not accept information out of their own shell. My frustration is its a total waste of talent to everyone. Rather than complain and spout text, show some picture, some math, some connection to clarify. If one just wants his/her name out there, take out an add covering you greatness, use you real names and stop hiding behind cutey pie symbols.
You can be quite cryptic Doc. I guess it would help if we knew exactly who you are referring to.

Let's see, I'm not closed-minded, so you can't be referring to me there. I don't complain and 'spout' text without justification, and I definitely go out of my way to clarify, so that can't be aimed at me either. I'm not in it for greatness or notoriety, so nope, that reference is not directed at me either.

Ah! Cutey pie symbols... that MUST be me! I was hoping I'd get a mention.

Doc, seriously, take a chill-pill before you burst a blood vessel!
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I'd say it's because everyone knows that you're moody and temperamental, and your loyal subjects do not want to offend you by seemingly questioning your greatness.



You can be quite cryptic Doc. I guess it would help if we knew exactly who you are referring to.

Let's see, I'm not closed-minded, so you can't be referring to me there. I don't complain and 'spout' text without justification, and I definitely go out of my way to clarify, so that can't be aimed at me either. I'm not in it for greatness or notoriety, so nope, that reference is not directed at me either.

Ah! Cutey pie symbols... that MUST be me! I was hoping I'd get a mention.

Doc, seriously, take a chill-pill before you burst a blood vessel!
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This is my thread and belongs to me and people interested in the work I have and will show, so Miss, Ms or whatever you are, do not post here again. You have nothing to contribute here and your great work is better offered the the threads where you can impress. Oh! by the way on the threads where you are talking about work I and replicators did many years ago, maybe you should give credit where it belongs. Hey try Tesla that always get their attention.

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The detractors just can't help themselves

I wonder what a thrill they must get from the crap they push around.

It is up to the REAL people here if you want to put up with it. Anyone take my work and replicate it or even develop a product from it, GREAT! Yet if it came from my initial work, have the guts to say so. If you do anything on your own it is great and you should obtain credit in a big way for you original work, otherwise, talk is talk and most of it useless.
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what came to mind for me when I did this experiment was, if you view the test tube as being initially a neutral part of the free space environment of the local area. now you excite the bottom of the tube while placing a rectifying diode across the length of the tube.

The capacitive ring will direct its radial potential gradient towards a central point giving the highest potentials near its central axis, which is where the rectifiers cathode sits in capacitive coupling. Not only does water act as a great dielectric, but because it is distilled water it will have a higher impedance for current flow. Because the capacitive coupling affects one side of the diode very strongly, and the other side of the diode sits at a significantly further point distance wise, there will inevitably be a potential difference. This will "pump" the diode. Because it is a rectifier, it will allow the easiest path of conduction to be through its silicon region during one half of the cycle, and during the other half of the cycle through the water, causing unidirectional flow of current.

if this were the case, it might be reasonable to assume that the L3 was detrimental to the experiment from sitting so close to the test tube in the first video.

What I thought important to consider is that water is both strong dielectric, and charge carrier (even in distilled you get small current, high impedance). Can the way the water responds to the charge imbalance on the ends of the rectifier cause the capacitive ring, and the L3 to ring? In other words, if the experiment were reversed, and you were forcefully pumping the diode, would it couple back to L3?

In my book that constitutes a "one way" transducer,
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