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Is L1 wound around a ferrite rod or is it a carbon rod?

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Is L1 wound around a ferrite rod or is it a carbon rod?

Thank you.

L1, depending on circuit diagram(from +V to Collector) should be an air core. The SEC I'm using it measures in around 8uH. 22 turns 22 gauge wire, just wrapped it around my pointer finger and secured it with zip ties.

Only Lb has a ferrite slug for tuning.
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L1, depending on circuit diagram(from +V to Collector) should be an air core. The SEC I'm using it measures in around 8uH. 22 turns 22 gauge wire, just wrapped it around my pointer finger and secured it with zip ties.

Only Lb has a ferrite slug for tuning.
Thanks a lot Mutten

I was thinking Lb was the choke.
Thanks for clearing that up.

I also have a ferrite rod that should work good for Lb.

@ Doc.

Thanks for the great circuit.

I can see this thread turning into a long one.

Thanks for all your hard work.
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Thanks a lot Mutten

I was thinking Lb was the choke.
Thanks for clearing that up.

I also have a ferrite rod that should work good for Lb.

@ Doc.

Thanks for the great circuit.

I can see this thread turning into a long one.

Thanks for all your hard work.
NP Slayer. Always great to have more people experimenting.

My time this last few days has been contemplating what the SEC15 circuit is doing when its operating. The more I look at it the more it reminds me of various other radiant energy circuits, just done differently. I'm sure I'm oversimplifying Dr Stiffler's work, its just what my novice brain see's for now.

We've got an LC tank circuit that's made by the resistor, the cap and Lb Inductor in series, connected to the base of the transistor.

This sets up the pulsing of L1. When L1 magnetic field collapses we get a radiant spike that creates high voltage with no current.

L2, or the coil off the collector to load, is similar to what bedini does with a diode coming off it. I haven't tried a diode directly off the collector on the SEC15 yet. The magic happens when we get the radiant spike pulsing L2 at its resonant frequency, which reminds me of some of gotolucs work on how the high voltage builds towards the bottom(relative to gotolucs work) of the coil.

One thing that makes this circuit so difficult to work with at times is stray capacitance. The LC tank is very sensitive, and any change in capacitance changes the operational frequency, in turn throwing the L2 resonance out of whack, so you get mixed results.

You'll also notice once you get a working circuit there seems to be 2 sweet spots. One that draws very little current, and one that pulls a bit more.

IMO Whats happening here is a coil has 2 resonant frequencies. The transverse and longitudinal. When you get L2 resonating at its longitudinal frequency the amp draw goes way down.

I'm sure I'm still missing something. This circuit just feels different than the Jewel Thief or Imoteps radiant oscilator and other similiar setups that create the radiant spike.

This is all IMO and would love to hear more ideas, Because theoretically we should be able to get this working with other transistors.
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NP Slayer. Always great to have more people experimenting.

My time this last few days has been contemplating what the SEC15 circuit is doing when its operating. The more I look at it the more it reminds me of various other radiant energy circuits,

Well not so fast here. Unless I have poor information (and I have not spent much time on this 'Radiant' stuff) I am not aware of any claims that the 'Radiant' circuits have a 500MHz bandwidth?

Actually I envision them as just a spike from the collapse of a magnetic field.


just done differently. I'm sure I'm oversimplifying Dr Stiffler's work, its just what my novice brain see's for now.

We've got an LC tank circuit that's made by the resistor, the cap and Lb Inductor in series, connected to the base of the transistor.

Well Rb only is required to start the process and can be fully disconnected once the Exciter is in operation and properly tuned. Lb and Cb are a series tank and are pumped by the negative resistance of the transistor and thereby create harmonic excitation to the collector. When you do the math on the three different tuned circuits you will find that they are all below 12MHz., far from the 470-520MHz that is created in the circuit.

This sets up the pulsing of L1. When L1 magnetic field collapses we get a radiant spike that creates high voltage with no current.

Have you seen such a spike on your scope? The wave forms you have shown do not indicated such an action. One of the shots shows a fairly low harmonic wave where the others show a complex waveform that beg for a FT on them.

L2, or the coil off the collector to load, is similar to what bedini does with a diode coming off it.

If you get a diode to work, please let me know. Using a diode will drop your UBO and you will be pulsing from a more or less conventional oscillator (close to a Clapp in design) that suffers a major reduction in bifurcation.

I haven't tried a diode directly off the collector on the SEC15 yet. The magic happens when we get the radiant spike pulsing L2 at its resonant frequency, which reminds me of some of gotolucs work on how the high voltage builds towards the bottom(relative to gotolucs work) of the coil.

So this spike is created by the circuit and within the circuit, am I understanding this correctly? If that is the case then these radiant spikes can never have a CEC>1? Now if this spike were for a moment considered to be external of the circuit would it not be required to dissipate in the circuit and would it not be indicated as additional input energy from the circuits power source as it would compensate for the imbalance? Humm........ wonder if such a spike could be detected as an imbalance if energy was monitored in both the power rails? Seems if a radiant spike was just seeking ground it could work without showing in the input energy, but dual input energy monitoring would be required.

One thing that makes this circuit so difficult to work with at times is stray capacitance. The LC tank is very sensitive, and any change in capacitance changes the operational frequency, in turn throwing the L2 resonance out of whack, so you get mixed results.

Correct, but it is not parasitic capacity, its the absorption or imbalance introduced into the localized lattice surrounding the exciter. Some really like to call this a Near Field, got to Love Em!.

You'll also notice once you get a working circuit there seems to be 2 sweet spots. One that draws very little current, and one that pulls a bit more.

Correct!

IMO Whats happening here is a coil has 2 resonant frequencies. The transverse and longitudinal. When you get L2 resonating at its longitudinal frequency the amp draw goes way down.

Give you 50% here.

I'm sure I'm still missing something. This circuit just feels different than the Jewel Thief or Imoteps radiant oscilator and other similiar setups that create the radiant spike.

Missing a lot....... Show me one of these circuits that will work with a supply voltage as low as 2.5V? The circuits of which you speak are not SEC (Spatial Energy Coherence) they are in the KV range to see similar events.
Why are you placing SEC with these circuits? Apples and Oranges.


This is all IMO and would love to hear more ideas, Because theoretically we should be able to get this working with other transistors.

Good Luck!
See response in the above quote....
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I tried to replicate Dr. Stiffler's SEC.

Here's a short video of it.

YouTube - Replica of some of Dr Stiffler's Work

For the L2 coil I used a coil I had from a crystal radio.
The top of the coil is sanded so I could find the sweat spot where it ran the best.

The neon would also light up better when I touched the end of the coil with my finger.

In the video the meters were not working right.
But when I had them further away it read 30 to under 10Ma.

The neon was brightest when it was around 10Ma. or under.

Thanks Doc. for a Great circuit.
And Thanks agine Mutten for all your help.
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I tried to replicate Dr. Stiffler's SEC.

Here's a short video of it.

YouTube - Replica of some of Dr Stiffler's Work

For the L2 coil I used a coil I had from a crystal radio.
The top of the coil is sanded so I could find the sweat spot where it ran the best.

The neon would also light up better when I touched the end of the coil with my finger.

In the video the meters were not working right.
But when I had them further away it read 30 to under 10Ma.

The neon was brightest when it was around 10Ma. or under.

Thanks Doc. for a Great circuit.
And Thanks agine Mutten for all your help.
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Great Attempt!

I left a comment on your video, but let me add here.

The "Spatial Energy Coherence" Exciters when in proper operation will have a bandwidth of at least 500MHz. This means that long clip leads or connection wire will "Kill You" in trying to replicate. Wire it like you are living in a Japanese Apartment (no disrespect meant here) Small, Small is the operative word.

That coil you have from the xtal radios has far to small a gauge of wire. You need a minimum of #24 otherwise the inner winding capacity is going to stop or limit the UBO.

You will see a world of difference when you shrink things and shorten wires. You have seen a point where you access the lattice, but you are not able to stabilize it.

Thanks for going for it and accept my comment as help and not criticism.
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Great Attempt!

I left a comment on your video, but let me add here.

The "Spatial Energy Coherence" Exciters when in proper operation will have a bandwidth of at least 500MHz. This means that long clip leads or connection wire will "Kill You" in trying to replicate. Wire it like you are living in a Japanese Apartment (no disrespect meant here) Small, Small is the operative word.

That coil you have from the xtal radios has far to small a gauge of wire. You need a minimum of #24 otherwise the inner winding capacity is going to stop or limit the UBO.

You will see a world of difference when you shrink things and shorten wires. You have seen a point where you access the lattice, but you are not able to stabilize it.

Thanks for going for it and accept my comment as help and not criticism.

@ Dr. Stiffler

Thanks for the reply and info.

I will shrink it down and wind another coil for L2.

Now that I know the ohms where the coil runs the best.
I will make another coil with heavier wire but the same ohm.
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NP Slayer. Always great to have more people experimenting.

My time this last few days has been contemplating what the SEC15 circuit is doing when its operating. The more I look at it the more it reminds me of various other radiant energy circuits,

Well not so fast here. Unless I have poor information (and I have not spent much time on this 'Radiant' stuff) I am not aware of any claims that the 'Radiant' circuits have a 500MHz bandwidth?

Actually I envision them as just a spike from the collapse of a magnetic field.

just done differently. I'm sure I'm oversimplifying Dr Stiffler's work, its just what my novice brain see's for now.

We've got an LC tank circuit that's made by the resistor, the cap and Lb Inductor in series, connected to the base of the transistor.

Well Rb only is required to start the process and can be fully disconnected once the Exciter is in operation and properly tuned. Lb and Cb are a series tank and are pumped by the negative resistance of the transistor and thereby create harmonic excitation to the collector. When you do the math on the three different tuned circuits you will find that they are all below 12MHz., far from the 470-520MHz that is created in the circuit.

This sets up the pulsing of L1. When L1 magnetic field collapses we get a radiant spike that creates high voltage with no current.

Have you seen such a spike on your scope? The wave forms you have shown do not indicated such an action. One of the shots shows a fairly low harmonic wave where the others show a complex waveform that beg for a FT on them.

L2, or the coil off the collector to load, is similar to what bedini does with a diode coming off it.

If you get a diode to work, please let me know. Using a diode will drop your UBO and you will be pulsing from a more or less conventional oscillator (close to a Clapp in design) that suffers a major reduction in bifurcation.

I haven't tried a diode directly off the collector on the SEC15 yet. The magic happens when we get the radiant spike pulsing L2 at its resonant frequency, which reminds me of some of gotolucs work on how the high voltage builds towards the bottom(relative to gotolucs work) of the coil.

So this spike is created by the circuit and within the circuit, am I understanding this correctly? If that is the case then these radiant spikes can never have a CEC>1? Now if this spike were for a moment considered to be external of the circuit would it not be required to dissipate in the circuit and would it not be indicated as additional input energy from the circuits power source as it would compensate for the imbalance? Humm........ wonder if such a spike could be detected as an imbalance if energy was monitored in both the power rails? Seems if a radiant spike was just seeking ground it could work without showing in the input energy, but dual input energy monitoring would be required.

One thing that makes this circuit so difficult to work with at times is stray capacitance. The LC tank is very sensitive, and any change in capacitance changes the operational frequency, in turn throwing the L2 resonance out of whack, so you get mixed results.

Correct, but it is not parasitic capacity, its the absorption or imbalance introduced into the localized lattice surrounding the exciter. Some really like to call this a Near Field, got to Love Em!.

You'll also notice once you get a working circuit there seems to be 2 sweet spots. One that draws very little current, and one that pulls a bit more.

Correct!

IMO Whats happening here is a coil has 2 resonant frequencies. The transverse and longitudinal. When you get L2 resonating at its longitudinal frequency the amp draw goes way down.

Give you 50% here.

I'm sure I'm still missing something. This circuit just feels different than the Jewel Thief or Imoteps radiant oscilator and other similiar setups that create the radiant spike.

Missing a lot....... Show me one of these circuits that will work with a supply voltage as low as 2.5V? The circuits of which you speak are not SEC (Spatial Energy Coherence) they are in the KV range to see similar events.
Why are you placing SEC with these circuits? Apples and Oranges.

This is all IMO and would love to hear more ideas, Because theoretically we should be able to get this working with other transistors.

Good Luck!

See response in the above quote....

Well, like I said, I'm still trying to wrap my novice head around this with what I know. I guess I am comparing apples and oranges. Its hard moving from conventional EE thinking when this doesn't fit the bill.

Any and all corrections are welcome.

I've got some questions about reading my oscope. I'm still learning as I go.

So I've got my scope set at 5v/div 1uS/div using a 10x probe.

What I am seeing on the screen is then 50v/div and .1uS or 10uS / div ?

1uS = 1 mhz if I am understanding this correctly.

L1 I get a scope shot that looks like this, with a peak to peak of roughly 130v (if I'm reading this correctly) with a Frequency of 60mhz or 600KHz ? 600khz seems too low so it must be 60mhz but I'm not 100% sure.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...C15-3073-1.jpg

Then on L2 (collector to load) my scope looks like this. 300v peak to peak at roughly the same frequency?

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...C15-3072-1.jpg
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Mutten,

it really depends if your scope compensates for the probe or not, first of all.

The probe never affects the frequency (x axis), only the amplitude (y axis).

What you are compensating for is the higher voltage component of the signal than the lower input stage of the scope, so it does not burn it out.

Yes, 1us = 0.000001 s and so 1/0.000001 = 1,000,000 Hz = 1 MHz
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Does anyone have a circuit diagram that I can replicate? If Dr.Stiffler doesn't mind, can someone post the circuit. I would love to build one of these systems. THank you.
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Does anyone have a circuit diagram that I can replicate? If Dr.Stiffler doesn't mind, can someone post the circuit. I would love to build one of these systems. THank you.
Best I can do at the moment is point you to someone thats already posted it on another forum.

Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler

This is the basic SEC15 exciter. Very few parts. I'd recommend buying a lot more MPSA06 transistors than you'll think you need. I think I've got about half of what i started with. Originally bought 100. Also, look for Fairchilds or On Semi's

I'm still blowing up about 2-4 a day but I think that's because my tunable inductor is set for such a wide range of frequencies.
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it really depends if your scope compensates for the probe or not, first of all.

The probe never affects the frequency (x axis), only the amplitude (y axis).

What you are compensating for is the higher voltage component of the signal than the lower input stage of the scope, so it does not burn it out.

Yes, 1us = 0.000001 s and so 1/0.000001 = 1,000,000 Hz = 1 MHz
Thanks Amigo, I guess what I am seeing is roughly 600khz. Wasn't sure if the 10x probe increased the resolution for div/time.

I've also noticed theres a couple of sweet spots where my scope goes nuts and I can't get the trigger to focus on a complete wave form, its just chaos all over my screen. I *think* this might be UWBO mode.

Still working on getting a spectrum analyzer. I've put some feelers out to some people that work for defense contractors that might have something in a closet collecting dust.

I'm considering picking up something like this eventually. Need to save up some funds first.

Spectrum Analyzer & Tracking Generator AT5011 1GHz - eBay (item 250399163754 end time Apr-10-09 01:41:05 PDT)

I know its a cheapo chinese one but for a hobbiest I think it might be ok. I know the Doc had an inexpensive one that he had to do some modifications to. The brand name eludes me at the moment.
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Thank you for pointing me in the right direction. I will try what has been done on overunity.com. Thanks.
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This is the original SEC15-3 that was the circuit on the Demo PCB's. I was build from common of the shelf components making it as simple as possible to copy and build (caution with construction circuit capacity).

I will post a current SEC15-8 in a following post.
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This is what one looked like if you had purchased one of the PCB's I sold last year. The one in the picture has a parasitic plate that allowed properly tuned circuits to exhibit a CEC>1.
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This is a SEC15-20 PCB that was available last year.
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DrStiffler,
Are you going to share some of your current research?
I'm getting parts to build SEC exciter. Information on this thread is sufficient to replicate one.
I do appreciate all information that you already shared with us.
Thanks a lot!!!
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I'm considering picking up something like this eventually. Need to save up some funds first.

Spectrum Analyzer & Tracking Generator AT5011 1GHz - eBay (item 250399163754 end time Apr-10-09 01:41:05 PDT)

I know its a cheapo chinese one but for a hobbiest I think it might be ok. I know the Doc had an inexpensive one that he had to do some modifications to. The brand name eludes me at the moment.
I bought one of these last year for $500

Avcom 65A Spectrum Analyzer-Tested-Great For TSCM L@@K - eBay (item 150336802586 end time Apr-13-09 17:10:21 PDT)

Actually mine is 65C not 65A...works great never the less and it has a much smaller footprint than most of other analyzers out there as it is a portable unit.

I think Doc has one of those AT5010s or similar in his lab - if you look at his videos you'll see.
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Yes, would you please check your PMs...I sent one as well earlier in the week.
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Just puted my schema together, one that posted above by DrStiffler.
And as expected it didn't work from the start. But I found interesting thing, if I was touching one leg of neon with screwdriver it was lightning up. So I attached 1 foot of wire to the neon. And now I've got constantly glowing neon. I don't think that my schema is tuned up, since I didn't do much tuning.
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@DrStiffler, thanks for posting the circuit and pics.

@amigo, thanks for the scope heads up.

@All, I just wanted to add some info on getting a working unit going. Its stripped down to bare essentials and made to run off a battery(s). I've removed the filter for the bench power supply. I run it off 2x12v SLA batteries for 24v, but will work fine at 12v or lower.

The basic circuit.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...C15-3088-1.jpg

All values are approximated. My LC meter doesn't have a low enough resolution. Roughly +/-1 uH.

L1 was loosely wound around the handle of a screwdriver and zip tied.
22 Turns 22 gauge magwire enamel coated.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3086.jpg

L2 wire seems pretty important. I switched from 26 to 24 gauge wire and I got a beautiful sine wave right off the start from it. Its ballpark to what doc recommends for diameter.

24 gauge magwire etc..
roughly 1.7cm diameter 3.8 cm length
63ish turns.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...C15-3083-2.jpg
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3084.jpg

Lb is the tunable coil. I bought some of those coil forms the Doc was using on the SEC15-3s but I found them to be limited. I whipped up a tunable coil just out of a bic pen and a slug I had from some PSU I stripped down.

22 guage loosely wound and superglued.
12 turns or so.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3074.jpg
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...C15-3078-1.jpg

Been having trouble finding smaller slugs than that. Inductance is what brings up your power consumption in the circuit and those ferrites eat a lot. I've found that setup gives me a nice broad frequency range to work with.

I've also used a stripped down 100uH choke I picked up from "the shack". Little bit of sandpaper inside the pen tube and on the ferrite itself and it works about the same.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...C15-3077-1.jpg
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...C15-3076-1.jpg
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...C15-3080-1.jpg

Its recommended that if you put a PCB together to get a socket for the MPSA06. They go pop quite often (at least for me.) Buy more than you think you'll need.

First succsessful lighting of the FL tubes on a breadboard. Ignore the amp meter that thing was very wrong. The MPSA06 would have gone up in flames if that was right I think the cap I was using was 22pF so if you don't have a 470 like the circuit says just try different ones.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...oo/SEC15-3.jpg

Fully socketed version for plug and play coil building. Diodes on the + and - rails were a misunderstanding on my part. I thought the docs ferrite bead chokes were diodes. Didn't seem to affect the circuit.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3024.jpg
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3027.jpg

First populated PCB once I had some values to work with from the plug and play. L2 is 26gauge wire, use 24 if you can. I think amigo explained why in earlier in the thread. Transistor is still socketed.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3058.jpg

Hope this helps people get started since there seems to be some interest growing.

P.S. Look for On Semi's or Fairchilds for MPSA06's.
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What mass has to do with it ?

Hi guys,

I found a nice replication video of Dr's circuit
YouTube - Dr Stiffler SEC - series 5

and it works next to the laptop, but it's a less than 1.5W power SEC


@Luc
Hi man,
What were your conclusions on Dr's circuit?

Have you tried his latest discovery of the fact that adding MASS will allow for more energy recovery ?

Exciting MASS like in Newman motors with the mass of copper, like in Bedini systems with the mass of electrolyte in the batteries or electrolytic capacitors ...

see here: YouTube - Building Blocks #2

So muuuuuch light for less than 1.5 Watt of input power ...


@Dr Stiffler
Dear Doctor, I found your new page at http://67.76.235.52/index.htm and I wanted to ask you if you could sell also a download able version of your CDs for non US residents ?

Of course it would increase your sells as many foreigners are appreciating your work.

You could use the cheap service at E-junkie Shopping Cart for selling downloads & tangible goods to make your files available for download while paid with Paypal. (I'm using it with full satisfaction for my own business)

I sent you an email asking to buy a SEC 15 board, but it might be that you didn't get it among your sea of emails ... pleaaaaaase let me get one or two of these boards for history. (I can pay via Paypal but you'll have to send it overseas)

Anyway keep on the good work all !
God blessings,
MDG
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@DrStiffler, thanks for posting the circuit and pics.

@amigo, thanks for the scope heads up.

@All, I just wanted to add some info on getting a working unit going. Its stripped down to bare essentials and made to run off a battery(s). I've removed the filter for the bench power supply. I run it off 2x12v SLA batteries for 24v, but will work fine at 12v or lower.

The basic circuit.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...C15-3088-1.jpg

All values are approximated. My LC meter doesn't have a low enough resolution. Roughly +/-1 uH.

L1 was loosely wound around the handle of a screwdriver and zip tied.
22 Turns 22 gauge magwire enamel coated.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3086.jpg

L2 wire seems pretty important. I switched from 26 to 24 gauge wire and I got a beautiful sine wave right off the start from it. Its ballpark to what doc recommends for diameter.

24 gauge magwire etc..
roughly 1.7cm diameter 3.8 cm length
63ish turns.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...C15-3083-2.jpg
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3084.jpg

Lb is the tunable coil. I bought some of those coil forms the Doc was using on the SEC15-3s but I found them to be limited. I whipped up a tunable coil just out of a bic pen and a slug I had from some PSU I stripped down.

22 guage loosely wound and superglued.
12 turns or so.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3074.jpg
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...C15-3078-1.jpg

Been having trouble finding smaller slugs than that. Inductance is what brings up your power consumption in the circuit and those ferrites eat a lot. I've found that setup gives me a nice broad frequency range to work with.

I've also used a stripped down 100uH choke I picked up from "the shack". Little bit of sandpaper inside the pen tube and on the ferrite itself and it works about the same.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...C15-3077-1.jpg
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...C15-3076-1.jpg
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...C15-3080-1.jpg

Its recommended that if you put a PCB together to get a socket for the MPSA06. They go pop quite often (at least for me.) Buy more than you think you'll need.

First succsessful lighting of the FL tubes on a breadboard. Ignore the amp meter that thing was very wrong. The MPSA06 would have gone up in flames if that was right I think the cap I was using was 22pF so if you don't have a 470 like the circuit says just try different ones.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...oo/SEC15-3.jpg

Fully socketed version for plug and play coil building. Diodes on the + and - rails were a misunderstanding on my part. I thought the docs ferrite bead chokes were diodes. Didn't seem to affect the circuit.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3024.jpg
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3027.jpg

First populated PCB once I had some values to work with from the plug and play. L2 is 26gauge wire, use 24 if you can. I think amigo explained why in earlier in the thread. Transistor is still socketed.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3058.jpg

Hope this helps people get started since there seems to be some interest growing.

P.S. Look for On Semi's or Fairchilds for MPSA06's.
@Mutten

There are a couple of ways (simple in fact) to stop the loss of the transistors and to stop the loss of transistor Beta over time. Additionally there is a simple fix to stabilize frequency. Most important is the input (source voltage) and as I stated the SEC effect can be seem as low as a couple volts. I have run the simple 15 as high as 24 volts, but that is walking on glass. My preferred and the voltage used on Generation Two exciters as well as ESEC is 16 or 18 volts.

The high voltage generated is just to high above 18 and in addition to blowing the CB junction the heat generation is always positive and CEC will be <70%. I hinted at how you can see what is doing the damage by monitoring both the + and - rails at the same time and looking for a difference, you will always see a big offset when your transistor blows.

With you running totally from battery and if I read correctly you removed the rail filters?, you will find the batteries to be very RF Hot. In fact when properly tuned you could do something similar to what Aromaz did in one of his videos where he could light a neon off the insulating surface of the battery. You can wind a simple sniffer coil, about the same as your L2 and connect it to your scope (through the 10X probe) and use it to sniff around your circuit, coils and battery. This way you will get a far better picture than any direct connect that I have always objected to unless you have some very good and expensive probes, which in fact still upset the circuit somewhat.

The sniffer coil and a simple AV Plug and White LED as shown on a few of my videos will also show you more about what is taking place.

I do not recommend running without power rail filtering, even with the batteries. Also another way to approach tuning is with a AM radio or a SW that will cover up to say 12MHz. You can find some very interesting things this way, and use caution as you can cause problems with people around you (electronics, watches, pacemakers etc.).

You ask about sending me a PM, I did not use the OU forum mail and prefer not to use this one either, email is the best way and what I stay with. If you expect info that is not published in public you will have to do like many others have and setup your email with a certificate.
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Thanks Amigo, I guess what I am seeing is roughly 600khz. Wasn't sure if the 10x probe increased the resolution for div/time.

I've also noticed theres a couple of sweet spots where my scope goes nuts and I can't get the trigger to focus on a complete wave form, its just chaos all over my screen. I *think* this might be UWBO mode.

Still working on getting a spectrum analyzer. I've put some feelers out to some people that work for defense contractors that might have something in a closet collecting dust.

I'm considering picking up something like this eventually. Need to save up some funds first.

Spectrum Analyzer & Tracking Generator AT5011 1GHz - eBay (item 250399163754 end time Apr-10-09 01:41:05 PDT)

I know its a cheapo chinese one but for a hobbiest I think it might be ok. I know the Doc had an inexpensive one that he had to do some modifications to. The brand name eludes me at the moment.
@Mutten
I would not advise you obtain the AT5011 SA. I have two of them and both required far more work to make them useful than ever should have been. (In case someone thinks I am talking against this product I have all the documentation to back up my statements, so don't get to excited).

The first unit would not run for more than a an hour and would go off. It was poor metal work and the running of wires thru rough holes with metal sharp edges that caused a short when heated. The case and chassis was not square and extensive metal work was needed to correct. The oscillators are fair, but have a high drift. There are no cursors so its like the old scope days where you count divisions and do the math.

The second unit radiated a signal that would swamp low level measurements. I complained for where I purchased and received a response that the manufacture did not care as people were buying as they were (well I stupidly did).

Just don't go there...................
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DrStiffler,
Are you going to share some of your current research?
I'm getting parts to build SEC exciter. Information on this thread is sufficient to replicate one.
I do appreciate all information that you already shared with us.
Thanks a lot!!!
@mlurye

"Are you going to share some of your current research?"

Not the way most will like. No more web sites with circuits. I will have about five Papers out soon, I need to get a crumb of respect back after stupidly playing with the OU.com crowd and another site that is composed of Vane Has Beens.

I was looking and started the CD thing and now have thought better of that. It places me in the same slot as all the others that talk and promise and always have a new version, yet contains only historical rework.

I do have 10 different flavors of circuits boards sitting and waiting for assembly and release, these will be explained on the SS Site as an offering, BUT, the circuits have progressed to the point where they are priced a bit high. They have sockets for critical parts (a socket costs 30x more than a transistor) multiple functionality running from the simple (yet protected) SEC15 to a combo SEC15 ESEC and on to an Electrolyzer for the burning water as shown on one of my videos.

Nothing will ship outside of the US, sorry it makes many very mad and upset, but its not my decision. Not circuits will be sold with any specific claim, one will need to match a Paper with a circuit to know what is being offered. The circuits range (with shipping in US) from forty to a few hundred. For a bit of history I lost my a__ on the SEC15's as I did not plan on making changes such as sockets mid way through the offering. I had never planned to make money, but I did not enjoy the loss either. I break even on the new offerings because I have factors in sockets, headers and heat sinks.

In short it is moved from the simple hobby stage.

The 'Spatial Light' is moving forward as a commercial product sold for outdoor use, like hunters and campers or rural location lighting.
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