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Old 07-09-2009, 05:13 AM
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Hi Dave

Thank you for your answer.

Except from a Spectrum Analyzer I have all instruments needed.

Although almost every day brings improvements, right now I am too rich in ambitions relative to background knowledge. I have lots of information collected that needs to be read, I guess that will help a lot.

My biggest (technical) sin so far is my first replication being too big in dimensions and mass the wrong places. Thats why I will make new compact PCBs etched from own layout.

Either it works, or I have something to learn from, on the way for my goal. Both acceptable alternatives.

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Inter-dimensional Signaling with Scalar Waves, now if that isnít a subject.

If as Tesla, Meyl and Lamare state, Scalar Waves may travel at 1.5c we have a slight problem in that they would be required to travel inter-dimensionally, and along with a very weak EM component would be very hard to detect by any tuned circuit unless some mass in the circuit was doing the detection/conversion rather than the LC resonance of some coil capacitor circuit

If this is the case then the classical formula for determining resonance of a tuned circuit is useless. We would need a formula that uses mass and its resonant frequency as a detector prior to the conversion back into Transverse form.

So does that imply that we can shield our LC circuit from environmental EM in some conventional way and detect with the proper mass collector that will see scalar wave in the shield, the scalar wave and pass out of the shield the result.
As I stated before, I'm not convinced the LE(M) waves we are talking about here (i.e. SEC circuit) travel at 1.5c. Yes, Dollard and Meyl state that they do, but as far as I know, their statement is based on the difference in observed resonance frequency. Now I must admit that I have only touched the surface of Meyls papers and I don't remember reading anything in Dollards notes about the 1.5c. Both of these statements I saw in video's. I think this is Dollard's one, but I can't check now because I can't access video sites at work:

Tesla transverse and longitudinal electric waves

So, as far as I know, neither Dollard nor Meyl actually measured the propagation speed, they postulated it based on the difference in resonance frequencies. If someone has information showing otherwise, I'd be pleased to learn about it.

However, if this is the only thing the propagation speed of 1.5c is based on, one cannot be sure about this. As a posted before, there are other ways one could explain this difference in resonance frequencies.

Of course, in both cases (1.5c / open vs closed pipe) it is true that the classical formula for determining resonance of a tuned circuit is useless for determining the resonance frequency of the LE waves.

Hopefully, we will be able to determine wether or not my calculations as posted in my excel sheet can be used or not, or that they at least are a step in the right direction.

It may very well be that we also need a correction for the propagation speed for LE waves, which will then probably mostly be caused by the capacitance between the coil windings, while in the TEM case you have to account for both capacitive and inductive coupling between the coil windings, *if* LE waves can be considered as being practually "current-less". If that is true, we might be able to derive a similar approximation as has been done by Paul Nicholson for the TEM case, the formulas I used in my xls:

Wire length, coil geometry, and velocity factor
Re: Wire length, coil geometry, and velocity factor


@Tecstatic: according to the authors, these formulas are pretty accurate, within 5% or so, while OTOH they are actually very simple.



"We would need a formula that uses mass and its resonant frequency as a detector prior to the conversion back into Transverse form."

I think we already have that: the classical formula that calculates the TEM self-resonance frequency of a coil....

I think all we need to do is match the LE self-resonance frequency of the transmitting/oscillating coil to the TEM self-oscillating frequency of receiving coil.
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Old 07-09-2009, 11:29 AM
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I have cheated with your replication challenge, because of the coil with 12m wire is a bit tricky to to get to the right resonance.

As a start I instead took my home made spiral coil PCB with a alu foil covered Christmas tree ball (bought several sizes last Christmas).

It resonates nicely at 2.64MHz, 3.54V@2.8mA, approx 10mW fed one wire from my signal generator through a 1k resistor to the beginning of the inner fine spiral.
I have 8 10mm LEDs fed from the AV plug at approx 1/3 of full brightness. I can also light 32 LEDs but not as bright.

The loss is quite small with this PCB coil.
Nice work!

Is the PCB design available somewhere for others to try and replicate?

I have always wondered what would be so special about a flat spiral and why Tesla would use such a coil. Now I realise you get an extreme h/d, nearing to 0. Now take a look at this figure, the base of an approximation to calculate the first TEM self-resonance frequency of a coil I posted before:

http://web.archive.org/web/200502192...uk/tmp/ph1.gif

What you see is that the velocity factor, the relative propagation speed with which EM electricity travels in/out of the coil, in the extreme nears to 0 also!

Very interesting!

What you have with a flat, spiral coil, is minimal capacitive coupling, while still having a considerable inductive coupling between the windings.

Given that the velocity factor goes to 0 in the extreme, we can assume that capacitive coupling is responsible for *increasing* the velocity factor, while inductive coupling *decreases* the velocity factor.

This is also fairly logic, since the inductive coupling relies on the actual movement of electrons inside the wires, and it looks like the capacitive coupling can be a result of the electric field itself, also, of movement of the eather itself.

So, what you get with a flat coil, assuming that LE waves can be generated with minimal current and assuming that my open/closed pipe analogy is correct (and that the fixed 1.5c propagation speed of LE waves is incorrect after all), is a maximal separation of the TEM and LE self-resonance frequencies of the coil, making it ideal for LE wave transmitter applications, minimizing losses at your LE transmitter.

However, you would want to have it oscillate at the first LE resonance frequency, which would be considerably higher then the 2.6 MHz you're using now.

My xls sheet predicts a difference factor between LE and TEM self-resonance freq of over 6 already with an H/D of 0.1, which is *not* counting any possible increase of velocity factor in case of LE waves, which are actually quite likely to be influenced by capacitive coupling.

With an even smaller H/D such as your PCB, one should not be surprised to find the LE resonance frequency well above 100 MHz and more, assuming my theory is leading in the right direction, of course.
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Nice work!

Is the PCB design available somewhere for others to try and replicate?
Not yet, this is a short peak at the forum, as I have no time today, so this as a short answer. I will make the layout available tomorrow. Because of the narrow track of the inner spiral coil, it is not that easy to make yourself. But don't be discouraged by me

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I have always wondered what would be so special about a flat spiral and why Tesla would use such a coil. Now I realise you get an extreme h/d, nearing to 0. Now take a look at this figure, the base of an approximation to calculate the first TEM self-resonance frequency of a coil I posted before:

http://web.archive.org/web/200502192...uk/tmp/ph1.gif

What you see is that the velocity factor, the relative propagation speed with which EM electricity travels in/out of the coil, in the extreme nears to 0 also!

Very interesting!

What you have with a flat, spiral coil, is minimal capacitive coupling, while still having a considerable inductive coupling between the windings.

Given that the velocity factor goes to 0 in the extreme, we can assume that capacitive coupling is responsible for *increasing* the velocity factor, while inductive coupling *decreases* the velocity factor.

This is also fairly logic, since the inductive coupling relies on the actual movement of electrons inside the wires, and it looks like the capacitive coupling can be a result of the electric field itself, also, of movement of the eather itself.
With my logic I found 6 years ago the same during the 3 weeks designing a 20kV 600W SMPS. I did not know who Tesla was, but two different transformers pointed in this direction with low inter winding capacity.

The SMPS is capable of one wire lighting, and Ash included my posts in the panacea document:

http://www.panaceauniversity.org/Tes...Oscillator.pdf

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So, what you get with a flat coil, assuming that LE waves can be generated with minimal current and assuming that my open/closed pipe analogy is correct (and that the fixed 1.5c propagation speed of LE waves is incorrect after all), is a maximal separation of the TEM and LE self-resonance frequencies of the coil, making it ideal for LE wave transmitter applications, minimizing losses at your LE transmitter.

However, you would want to have it oscillate at the first LE resonance frequency, which would be considerably higher then the 2.6 MHz you're using now.
My generator goes to 50MHz, thats not enough the hit the LE resonance.

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My xls sheet predicts a difference factor between LE and TEM self-resonance freq of over 6 already with an H/D of 0.1, which is *not* counting any possible increase of velocity factor in case of LE waves, which are actually quite likely to be influenced by capacitive coupling.

With an even smaller H/D such as your PCB, one should not be surprised to find the LE resonance frequency well above 100 MHz and more, assuming my theory is leading in the right direction, of course.
Lamare, thank you so much for your insight on this subject. I have also only scratched the surface of Meyl's work, but now I will devote time to get a better understanding. Your insight helps a lot

I have discussed the experimental set with Meyl for half an hour, I told him I would try to replicate the set, and he wanted to sell me one, "you can not easily replicate this".

When I said that to my understanding the secret was in the inter winding capacity, he had a short smile, and changed subject.

If this is correct, then two etches from the same layout can have different properties because the more you etch the longer the distance between the tracks.

I certainly feel my newbie status inside FE, less than 2 years, I hope I will be able to catch up so much I "don't loose the train" when experienced people like you and Doc discus this very important subject. Please be patient with me.

I have considered making a small complete SEC PCB cube with L1,L2 and L3 on three perpendicular sides. The cube can probably be made 5x5x5 cm, maybe smaller.

Right now all 3 coils on my SEC are multi layer spiral PCB coils, but seen from a spiral coil calculator I think it is possible to make it single layer coils to get the full benefit, it is worth a try. Maybe this can also give the oscillation a boost at higher frequencies.

Well, this answer got longer than expected

I will return tomorrow with the PCB layout.

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Old 07-09-2009, 02:40 PM
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Not yet, this is a short peak at the forum, as I have no time today, so this as a short answer. I will make the layout available tomorrow. Because of the narrow track of the inner spiral coil, it is not that easy to make yourself. But don't be discouraged by me



With my logic I found 6 years ago the same during the 3 weeks designing a 20kV 600W SMPS. I did not know who Tesla was, but two different transformers pointed in this direction with low inter winding capacity.

The SMPS is capable of one wire lighting, and Ash included my posts in the panacea document:

http://www.panaceauniversity.org/Tes...Oscillator.pdf



My generator goes to 50MHz, thats not enough the hit the LE resonance.



Lamare, thank you so much for your insight on this subject. I have also only scratched the surface of Meyl's work, but now I will devote time to get a better understanding. Your insight helps a lot

I have discussed the experimental set with Meyl for half an hour, I told him I would try to replicate the set, and he wanted to sell me one, "you can not easily replicate this".

When I said that to my understanding the secret was in the inter winding capacity, he had a short smile, and changed subject.

If this is correct, then two etches from the same layout can have different properties because the more you etch the longer the distance between the tracks.

I certainly feel my newbie status inside FE, less than 2 years, I hope I will be able to catch up so much I "don't loose the train" when experienced people like you and Doc discus this very important subject. Please be patient with me.

I have considered making a small complete SEC PCB cube with L1,L2 and L3 on three perpendicular sides. The cube can probably be made 5x5x5 cm, maybe smaller.

Right now all 3 coils on my SEC are multi layer spiral PCB coils, but seen from a spiral coil calculator I think it is possible to make it single layer coils to get the full benefit, it is worth a try. Maybe this can also give the oscillation a boost at higher frequencies.

Well, this answer got longer than expected

I will return tomorrow with the PCB layout.

Eric.
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I don't know if Dave realized it or not, but in his posts #705 & #708 where he talks and shows the ability of running from the ground side also, is for the most part the basis of the 'Single Wire' extension. Even when connected to the mains if you have the Exciter common to the ground, your interior ground system is your one wire. Granted there is significant loss if you are not on the same breaker (circuit) as once it goes back to the box and hits the earth ground the signal drops off.

To go from 'Single Wire' to 'No' wire is to use mass resonance. What should be the limiting distance? Humm.. if it pops into and out of another dimension rather than stay in the local frame, would there be a limit?
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I certainly feel my newbie status inside FE, less than 2 years, I hope I will be able to catch up so much I "don't loose the train" when experienced people like you and Doc discus this very important subject. Please be patient with me.
Well, to be honest, I'm actually a newbie on RF and FE myself, too. Altough I do hold an MSc in EE, I have very little practical experience with RF nor FE. My focus has been much more on software and a bit of digital hardware.

However, my study did leave me with a good basic insight in the principles of EM theory, network theory and math, although my math is not what it was 10 years ago.

I have also just entered the FE world maybe a year ago or so, I have read quite a bit on the subject, acquired a nice archive, and watched every video I could find on the net that went beyond "pseudo science". Especially the lectures by Peter Lindemann on the Gray motor & tube, and the videos about John Bearden and John Bedini were very insightful, and of course the video's by Eric Dollard. I regard Tom Bearden as a real genious that knows what he talks about and is able to do the math, even though some of his papers are well beyond me.

Another person who's theories, or better, his insights I like, is Nassim Haramein. What's nice about him, is that he talks in terms of images, structures, etc. It's really amazing how many completely different angles and subjects he manages to combine into one story:

(PART 1) Nassim Haramein at the Rogue Valley Metaphysical Library. 2003. (4 HRS)

So, I have sucked up quite a lot of information and concepts, which I can use to analyse what appears to be going on and come up with possible explainations. Sometimes, these turn out to be right, sometimes they are completely wrong. For example, in the thread about the Gray tube, I thought about the possibility that radiant energy could be consisting of positrons rather then electrons, while now I think in a whole other direction.

One more little secret: I actually don't really understand the SEC schematic. On the picture of the SEC-15 ( http://67.76.235.52/SECExciter.htm ), I understand the resonator around C1 and Lb, and I understand L2 is the load that should be brought into resonance.

But I don't really understand L1. It looks like a choke that should prevent any RF signals from leaking from the transistor collector to the power supply and to give the collector enough freedom to move up and down in voltage as it pleases. However, if that is the case, I would expect it to have a much higher inductance as both Lb and L2, but it hasn't, it's even lower then L2. Still, the circuit works and gives results.
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Well, to be honest, I'm actually a newbie on RF and FE myself, too. Altough I do hold an MSc in EE, I have very little practical experience with RF nor FE. My focus has been much more on software and a bit of digital hardware.

However, my study did leave me with a good basic insight in the principles of EM theory, network theory and math, although my math is not what it was 10 years ago.

I have also just entered the FE world maybe a year ago or so, I have read quite a bit on the subject, acquired a nice archive, and watched every video I could find on the net that went beyond "pseudo science". Especially the lectures by Peter Lindemann on the Gray motor & tube, and the videos about John Bearden and John Bedini were very insightful, and of course the video's by Eric Dollard. I regard Tom Bearden as a real genious that knows what he talks about and is able to do the math, even though some of his papers are well beyond me.

Another person who's theories, or better, his insights I like, is Nassim Haramein. What's nice about him, is that he talks in terms of images, structures, etc. It's really amazing how many completely different angles and subjects he manages to combine into one story:

(PART 1) Nassim Haramein at the Rogue Valley Metaphysical Library. 2003. (4 HRS)

So, I have sucked up quite a lot of information and concepts, which I can use to analyse what appears to be going on and come up with possible explainations. Sometimes, these turn out to be right, sometimes they are completely wrong. For example, in the thread about the Gray tube, I thought about the possibility that radiant energy could be consisting of positrons rather then electrons, while now I think in a whole other direction.

One more little secret: I actually don't really understand the SEC schematic. On the picture of the SEC-15 ( http://67.76.235.52/SECExciter.htm ), I understand the resonator around C1 and Lb, and I understand L2 is the load that should be brought into resonance.

But I don't really understand L1. It looks like a choke that should prevent any RF signals from leaking from the transistor collector to the power supply and to give the collector enough freedom to move up and down in voltage as it pleases. However, if that is the case, I would expect it to have a much higher inductance as both Lb and L2, but it hasn't, it's even lower then L2. Still, the circuit works and gives results.
@lamare

Let me help you with the circuit a bit (I'm sure it was here someplace, but hard to find).

The transistor becomes a negative resistor when placed into oscillation, this is why R1 can be removed after it starts and as with ESEC can actually be removed and a simple cap used to get it all going, although the cap has to be small and its kind of iffy on doing it all the time.

In correct mode of oscillation very high voltages appear across C1/L1 and this is sine. The voltage is so high that the Vebo is reached in the first to second cycle and the Beta will drop by at least 1/2. As the circuit continues to operate the Beta continues to decline until the correct mode can no longer be obtained or sustained. Early on this was corrected by a single 1N4148 in reverse polarity across the BE junction. Now you know the forward voltage is limited by Vbe and then the reverse voltage is limited by the diode. What happens though is that single diode is to little (forward) so a number are added in series to bring the floor higher and recover the normal output. You just do not want to get it above Vebo, but as close as possible.

No L1 is correct, normally I still work in the 2-3uH area. And again no on bringing L2 into resonance, resonance is seen because of the wide bandwidth and also explains why frequencies other than the fundamental can have a higher energy profile.

Hope this helps.
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Some interesting reads

@All,

On the way home in the train, I went trough some interesting articles. The first one describes "cold electricity" and Longitudinal Waves. It appears to be a very short version of Peter Lindemann's book "The Free Energy Secrets of Cold Electricity":
http://freenrg.info/Misc/Longitudina..._Cold_Elec.pdf

Another article I think everyone on this forum should read is this one, by Peter Lindemann:
Free Energy | World of Free Energy

In this article, he makes very clear why we don't have free energy today all over the world and he points out exactly how this has been and is still being prevented. A quote:

"All of us constitute the Fourth Force. If we stand up and refuse to remain ignorant and action-less, we can change the course of history. It is the aggregate of our combined action that can make a difference. Only the mass action that represents our consensus can create the world we want. The other three Forces WILL NOT help us put a fuelless power plant in our basements. They will not help us be free from their manipulations. Nevertheless, free energy technology is here. It is real, and it will change everything about the way we live, work and relate to each other. In the last analysis, free energy technology obsoletes greed and the fear for survival. But like all exercises of Spiritual Faith, we must first manifest the generosity and trust in our own lives.

The Source of Free Energy is INSIDE of us. It is that excitement of expressing ourselves freely. It is our Spiritually guided intuition expressing itself without distraction, intimidation or manipulation. It is our open-heartedness. Ideally, the free energy technologies underpin a just society where everyone has enough food, clothing, shelter, self-worth, and the leisure time to contemplate the higher Spiritual meanings of Life. Do we not owe it to each other, to face down our fears, and take action to create this future for our children's children? Perhaps I am not the only one waiting for me to act on a greater Truth.

Free energy technology is here. It has been here for decades. Communications technology and the Internet have torn the veil of secrecy off of this remarkable fact. People all over the world are starting to build free energy devices for their own use. The Bankers and the Governments do not want this to happen, but cannot stop it. Tremendous economic instabilities and wars will be used in the near future to distract people from joining the free energy movement. There will be essentially no major media coverage of this aspect of what is going on. It will simply be reported as wars and civil wars erupting everywhere, leading to UN "Peace Keeper" occupation in more and more countries.

Western Society is spiraling down toward self-destruction, due to the accumulated effects of long-term greed and corruption. The general availability of free energy technology cannot stop this trend. It can only reinforce it. If, however, you have a free energy device, you may be better positioned to survive the political/social/economic transition that is underway. No National Government will survive this process. The question is, who will ultimately control the emerging World Government, the First Force, or the Fourth Force?

The last Great War is almost upon us. The seeds are planted. After this will come the beginning of a real Civilization. Some of us who refuse to fight will survive to see the dawn of the World of Free Energy. I challenge you to be among the ones who try."

Please do realise that full public disclosure of your work can be a way of insurance against your work being supressed, especially if you allow people to freely share your work with others, for example by using a Creative Commons license.

You see, if someone nasty for one reason or another would not like your work to become widely known, the last thing they want to do is draw attention to it once the genie is out of the bottle. This is the advice of someone that can know:

The Secret History of the American Empire - John Perkins

"Confessions of an Economic Hit Man became my insurance policy; the jackals knew that if anything unusual happened to me, sales of the book would skyrocket."

@DrStiffler, All,

It appears you can also use a full diode bridge instead of an AV plug. There is an interesting magazine over at New Energy Technologies magazine where I found all these articles. The first article in issue 13 ( NET content # 13 ) is about one wire transmission. Just click "download" and then type in the number, hit the green button and then you get a download link.
A complete TOC can be found at: New Energy Technologies the MAGAZINE
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On the way home in the train, I went trough some interesting articles. The first one describes "cold electricity" and Longitudinal Waves. It appears to be a very short version of Peter Lindemann's book "The Free Energy Secrets of Cold Electricity":
http://freenrg.info/Misc/Longitudina..._Cold_Elec.pdf

Another article I think everyone on this forum should read is this one, by Peter Lindemann:
Free Energy | World of Free Energy

In this article, he makes very clear why we don't have free energy today all over the world and he points out exactly how this has been and is still being prevented. A quote:

"All of us constitute the Fourth Force. If we stand up and refuse to remain ignorant and action-less, we can change the course of history. It is the aggregate of our combined action that can make a difference. Only the mass action that represents our consensus can create the world we want. The other three Forces WILL NOT help us put a fuelless power plant in our basements. They will not help us be free from their manipulations. Nevertheless, free energy technology is here. It is real, and it will change everything about the way we live, work and relate to each other. In the last analysis, free energy technology obsoletes greed and the fear for survival. But like all exercises of Spiritual Faith, we must first manifest the generosity and trust in our own lives.

The Source of Free Energy is INSIDE of us. It is that excitement of expressing ourselves freely. It is our Spiritually guided intuition expressing itself without distraction, intimidation or manipulation. It is our open-heartedness. Ideally, the free energy technologies underpin a just society where everyone has enough food, clothing, shelter, self-worth, and the leisure time to contemplate the higher Spiritual meanings of Life. Do we not owe it to each other, to face down our fears, and take action to create this future for our children's children? Perhaps I am not the only one waiting for me to act on a greater Truth.

Free energy technology is here. It has been here for decades. Communications technology and the Internet have torn the veil of secrecy off of this remarkable fact. People all over the world are starting to build free energy devices for their own use. The Bankers and the Governments do not want this to happen, but cannot stop it. Tremendous economic instabilities and wars will be used in the near future to distract people from joining the free energy movement. There will be essentially no major media coverage of this aspect of what is going on. It will simply be reported as wars and civil wars erupting everywhere, leading to UN "Peace Keeper" occupation in more and more countries.

Western Society is spiraling down toward self-destruction, due to the accumulated effects of long-term greed and corruption. The general availability of free energy technology cannot stop this trend. It can only reinforce it. If, however, you have a free energy device, you may be better positioned to survive the political/social/economic transition that is underway. No National Government will survive this process. The question is, who will ultimately control the emerging World Government, the First Force, or the Fourth Force?

The last Great War is almost upon us. The seeds are planted. After this will come the beginning of a real Civilization. Some of us who refuse to fight will survive to see the dawn of the World of Free Energy. I challenge you to be among the ones who try."

Please do realise that full public disclosure of your work can be a way of insurance against your work being supressed, especially if you allow people to freely share your work with others, for example by using a Creative Commons license.

You see, if someone nasty for one reason or another would not like your work to become widely known, the last thing they want to do is draw attention to it once the genie is out of the bottle. This is the advice of someone that can know:

The Secret History of the American Empire - John Perkins

"Confessions of an Economic Hit Man became my insurance policy; the jackals knew that if anything unusual happened to me, sales of the book would skyrocket."
@lamare & All

So sorry but I disagree, the everyone equal equation to me is the same as = 0, why, because if you remove all strife, all consequence, you end evolution.

Why are there so many different people on this earth, why do they have differing religions, different understandings of self and the value of a human in general?

If this did not exist, we all would be stagnate, going no where, sitting around enjoying our so called 'Free Energy'.

I prefer the thread not get into politics or religion.
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I prefer the thread not get into politics or religion.
IMHO, this is not about religion and only partly about politics. And while I do agree this thread should not go into that direction, I still think it is important to be aware of the fact that one of the most respected FE researchers I know of made a clear warning that FE tends to be supressed.

So, @all, please don't discuss this subject in this thread, just read the article if you feel like it and do with it as you see fit. If you want to discuss this, you can drop me a PM or e-mail if you like, or perhaps create a thread for it.

Addition: I posted this along with some tricks that might be of interest if you think about patenting some FE stuff on this thread, which is a better place for it:
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If every atom since creation has had a field line to all others with differing flavors due to elemental properties, the field propagation time paradox is solved. it matters not how they are separated and or mixed up. If true, all things are truly connected.
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Caduceus Wound Coil Experiments

Hi all,

I found this on a keelynet archive. It seems a cadaceus wound coil has very interesting properties for combining it with a SEC. If it indeed has "infinite resonance", one can expect interesting results when driven by a SEC with its wide bandwidth.


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CADUCEUS.ASC
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This excellent file courtesy of David Brenneman.
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Associated picture file : CADUCEUS.GIF

CADUCEUS WOUND COIL EXPERIMENTS

Certain experiments, not as carefully controlled as the above, were carried out by independent researchers with caduceus-wound coils (1). This was also called a "Tensor" coil by its main proponent, Wilbert Smith.

The caduceus coil, illustrated in fig. #1, basically consists of ordinary insulated copper wire wound in a double-helix around a ferrite core. THIS COIL HAS REPEATEDLY BEEN FOUND TO VIOLATE ESTABLISHED LAWS OF ELECTROMAGNETICS AND HERTZIAN WAVE THEORY WHEN A HIGH FREQUENCY CURRENT IS INJECTED INTO IT.

First. this apparatus has zero impedance - unlike an ordinary coil. when fed electrical energy the wire in the Tensor coil does not get hot.

Secondly. it has infinite resonance - unlike an ordinary coil which will resonate chiefly at its natural fundamental frequency and weakly on the 2nd or 3rd harmonic, the Tensor coil is capable of resonating strongly on any number of frequencies randomly spaced in the spectrum. The signal pumped into such a coil strangely enough cannot be quantified (detected) by standard RF (radio frequency) detection apparatus. Many "Ham" radio operators and electronic technicians who have used these coils, are completely baffled by them. One radio amateur found that with two such coils, one used as a transmitter and the other as a receiver, the second would not pick up the signal from the first unless they were precisely aligned.

For the signal to be transmitted the alignment had to be as critical as that of a laser beam.

CADUCEUS COIL LEVITATES

A few investigators have also reported unexpected bizarre inertial effects in conjunction with these coils. One researcher activated his caduceus coil with pulsed bursts of microwave frequency whereupon it appeared to lift itself up by its own bootstraps executing a periodic series of little hops off the ground. Why the coil would jump like this or exhibit the other weird effects noted above, has no explanation under standard electromagnetic theory, and must be attributed to the field effect produced by the unique coil winding.

CADUCEUS COIL CHARACTERISTICS

Looking at this coil configuration carefully we see that the oppositely wound wires of the double helix will cross each other on the opposite sides of the core's diameter with each complete turn. Hence, the coil will have two rows of bumps formed where the two wires cross, the rows placed diametrically opposite one another on the core.

Researchers claim that it is important for these crossover bumps to lie in a straight line. Now, when the high frequency current flows in opposite directions through the two wires, the magnetic fields essentially cancel on the sides of the coil but on the top and bottom where the crossovers are, the fields overlap forming on the top magnetic vectors orientated in one direction parallel to the coil axis, and on the bottom vectors of the same magnitude oriented oppositely to those on top. If we observe the coil from the side we then see that the consecutive vectors along the coil axis would form several closed toroidal loops circulating into the ferrite core. As we stated elsewhere, Wilbert Smith himself while experimenting with the Tensor coil, claimed to have recorded time differential effects between the coil field and the outer environment. This phenomenon, as well as non-coupling of signal between coils, may arise from the unique trapped toroidal magnetic field described above.
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OK, I'm back.

I have not read several of the last posts yet, but here is the PCB layout of the mini replication of Tesla's and Meyl's transmitter. Rename the file to .ps extension after download. Only page 2 of the postscript file is used.

It lights LEDs, neon bulb and FL-tube, just run off my signal generator.

I have bought a video camera, made a video, and I will try to post it on YouTube. Any pitfalls I should be aware of ?

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OK, I'm back.

I have not read several of the last posts yet, but here is the PCB layout of the mini replication of Tesla's and Meyl's transmitter. Rename the file to .ps extension after download. Only page 2 of the postscript file is used.

It lights LEDs, neon bulb and FL-tube, just run off my signal generator.

I have bought a video camera, made a video, and I will try to post it on YouTube. Any pitfalls I should be aware of ?

Eric
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So whats a (.ps) format? I have the ability to read (.pdf 'universal', .doc 'a bit dangerous and .txt) so what is the .ps stuff? Hope its not something for MS or something I need to buy to read you post??
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So whats a (.ps) format? I have the ability to read (.pdf 'universal', .doc 'a bit dangerous and .txt) so what is the .ps stuff? Hope its not something for MS or something I need to buy to read you post??
.ps is a post script file. If you download an open source application called PDFCreator PDFCreator | Get PDFCreator at SourceForge.net
This will convert the ps file to a pdf.

If others are interested, I would be interested in a group order. I can either coordinate the order or someone else can. I would think it would be appropriate for whoever coordinates the order that all the cost be covered plus a few dollars for the hassle.

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Sorry Doc

I should have mentioned that it is PostScript, a laser printer file format.

My usual PCB diagram and layout program "Kicad" can not make spiral coils, so I have used "PCB" from the Linux GEDA suite.

This program can only generate .ps files (and Gerber files) for ordinary use. When the .ps file is printed on a PostScipt capable printer it works.

I use the "evince" document multi format viewer under Linux to view and print.

Now I don't use windows anymore, but I searched the net for "windows .ps viewer", try this free program.

explanation
Ghostscript: GSview

download
Obtaining GSview 4.9

(Btw. why use a non free closed source operating system, when Linux is free and open source, especially as a free FE researcher )

So now it is about attempting to post on YouTube...

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My first YouTube video

Finally, the upload of the 70MB file took like forever. For download default resolution it is just 6.2MB.

First one I made was in HD quality, 200MB+, so I made a new one, 1024x168 resolution. Here it is

YouTube - Flat coil effects

It is run from my signal generator 20V square signal 2.530MHz, with sine it is a litte les intense. What is now interesting is to make a new coil to run off the SEC, as it offers 3-4 times higher voltage.

The FL tubes shown are 8W and 30W.

I also found, that if the ball is removed and a shorter pin is used, a LED PCB can be used as "capacitor". It offers a nice geometry for a lamp.

Eric
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Re. PCBs

I got this PM:

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I would like to make some boards from your file, but before I do, did you go through a service that I can hitch a ride on an order? If you did them yourself, I would be glad to pay for your services.
The layout is free for everyone to use, I will not sell any PCBs.

I always make my PCBs myself, I do not have the patience to wait for a factory.

If it should be made at a PCB factory, I guess they prefer the Gerber file format.

But you can make the PCB yourself.

Buy some special laser "white" "transparent" paper.
Print page 2 of the .ps file using the special paper on a minimum 1200dpi laser printer.
Take a cylinder glass container with a tight lid, put eg. a clean PCB at the inside bottom.
Pour in 10ml of acetone (not upon the PCB) and put the printed layout vertical into the container without touching the fluid. The printed side must face away from the round container ( mine is a round container originally used for conserving fruits).

Keep an eye on the layout though the transparent container. After 4-8 hours in the fumes, the toner is homogeneous without white "holes" for light. Too much time and it smears.

Then take a 35um single layer photo resist PCB, put the paper with the toner layer tightly towards the photo layer, and expose to UV light according to product instructions. Having no UV exposure box, I think sun light can be used.

Develop and etch the PCB with "white fine etch" crystals in 50C warm water in a bubbler tank, or more advanced etch machine if you have such a thing.

Now you have a nice board for doing experiments.

One advice. Try out the fine tracks on small PCB pieces until you are in control of the process, so you just waste little PBC area learning to process the fine line PCB.

Maybe this is not the only PCB I'm going to publish, so it's nice to note how to make your own PCB's.

Of cause a lot of other possibilities for making cheap PCB's exists, I'm just a Do It Yourself guy.

Good luck.

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The layout is free for everyone to use, I will not sell any PCBs.

I always make my PCBs myself, I do not have the patience to wait for a factory.

If it should be made at a PCB factory, I guess they prefer the Gerber file format.

But you can make the PCB yourself.

Buy some special laser "white" "transparent" paper.
Print page 2 of the .ps file using the special paper on a minimum 1200dpi laser printer.
Take a cylinder glass container with a tight lid, put eg. a clean PCB at the inside bottom.
Pour in 10ml of acetone (not upon the PCB) and put the printed layout vertical into the container without touching the fluid. The printed side must face away from the round container ( mine is a round container originally used for conserving fruits).

Keep an eye on the layout though the transparent container. After 4-8 hours in the fumes, the toner is homogeneous without white "holes" for light. Too much time and it smears.

Then take a 35um single layer photo resist PCB, put the paper with the toner layer tightly towards the photo layer, and expose to UV light according to product instructions. Having no UV exposure box, I think sun light can be used.

Develop and etch the PCB with "white fine etch" crystals in 50C warm water in a bubbler tank, or more advanced etch machine if you have such a thing.

Now you have a nice board for doing experiments.

One advice. Try out the fine tracks on small PCB pieces until you are in control of the process, so you just waste little PBC area learning to process the fine line PCB.

Maybe this is not the only PCB I'm going to publish, so it's nice to note how to make your own PCB's.

Of cause a lot of other possibilities for making cheap PCB's exists, I'm just a Do It Yourself guy.

Good luck.

Eric
@Tecstatic & @All

Yes indeed making your own boards is fine, although don't be fooled, it takes a bit of skill and patience to get a good looking and workable board. I always used FC for etching and you do need to use care and have good ventilation.

The supplier I use is really hurting from the poor economy and has some good deals for 4 boards (like 50%) off, yet this is still $80. And you can get 200 two layer drilled and masked for $600.

Anyway I would not spend a ton of money on boards. Start small as you well know these projects have a habit of changing.
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Side note:
take SGate apart, remove the inner tube. Take two SEC15s, connect each one to it's own outer copper coupling. Observe some nice effects, especially when those short copper tubes are in close proximity and co-axial.

e.g. 4w 120v incandescent lights up to a full brightness without you touching it and only connected to ONE of the SEC outputs...

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Side note:
take SGate apart, remove the inner tube. Take two SEC15s, connect each one to it's own outer copper coupling. Observe some nice effects, especially when those short copper tubes are in close proximity and co-axial.

e.g. 4w 120v incandescent lights up to a full brightness without you touching it and only connected to ONE of the SEC outputs...

ABC
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Could you pencil a diagram or shoot a picture? My brain is full of prions on some days and don't function that well.

I think you are saying you are using two VLT's (maybe) where are you connecting the one end of the bulb?

Keep all watches away and computers when you start with the dual exciters.
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Experiment to detect LEMW speed

I am trying to catch up on the overwhelming amount of literature exposed lately.

Regarding the speed of Longitudinal EM Waves ( LEMW ), what about this experiment ?

You would need an ordinary radio sender, ordinary receiver and two PCB sets like the one I have just published (TMT) + signal generator (SG) and a scope.

First you have the ordinary sender and receiver next to each other. The SG feed the sender, and the scope monitors the SG signal and the received signal to determine the propagation delay.

Next the SG feeds one TMT as sender, the receiving TMT is removed as far away as possible, still receiving from the sender. The receiver secondary winding feeds the ordinary sender, and the ordinary receiver is placed near the TMT sender.

Now the scope again can monitor the propagation delay, from the SG forth and back to the received ordinary signal. Corrected with the ordinary radio set propagation delay, "air time" can be determined. As the speed of the ordinary radio transmission speed is known, then it is interesting to see the magnitude of the remaining "air time"...

I have no radios, anybody with radios willing to try it out, two PCBs, two balls, two antenna telescope rods (with ball on top) for easy tuning between TMT sender and receiver, a signal generator and a scope ?

To determine the delays maybe a burst mode has to be used on the SG.

In the meantime, I will read some more and try making a new L3 as a flat spiral coil when tired of reading.

Eric

Ps. Lamare, I find it a bit strange nobody commented your post in the E.V. Gray thread. But I guess it is not that easy without doing some reading and experiments
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Some pictures & things to come

The one wire business is very interesting and of course the wireless is great.

Later today I hope to post a video on one wire electrolysis.

http://67.76.235.52/images/3q_18.jpg

http://67.76.235.52/images/3q_19.jpg

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In the meantime, I will read some more and try making a new L3 as a flat spiral coil when tired of reading.

Eric

Ps. Lamare, I find it a bit strange nobody commented your post in the E.V. Gray thread. But I guess it is not that easy without doing some reading and experiments
I'm a bit tired at the moment, so I'll think about the rest of your ideas later.

With respect to a flat spiral, just this evening I was thinking of taking a couple of old vinyl LP's and bolt them together at the center with just a littlebit of space in between. That might be a perfect holder for "pancake" coils...

With respect to the Gray thread, well, most of the posters there appear to be more interested in practical experimentation then theory. And some produce quite interesting results, like Ghst, who produced a rather remarkable result, a sort of a shadow/hologram:

http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...ation-holo.jpg
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New little Video

@All

I think the first every video or claim of single wire electrolysis.

YouTube; mrh2o2 and look for loaded today.

YT is getting faster every day;

see it at YouTube - Single Wire Electrolysis and Other Things
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Dr.,

what I was saying is this: take a standard SGate, replace inner pipe with a plastic one and connect two exciters to the remaining outer shorter couplings. Now as you move them close to each other they will start producing some interesting coherence on their own. I found a distance of about 1mm gives the best results in my setup. YMMV.

It's easy to lit up even those stubborn FL in this setup

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Dr.,

what I was saying is this: take a standard SGate, replace inner pipe with a plastic one and connect two exciters to the remaining outer shorter couplings. Now as you move them close to each other they will start producing some interesting coherence on their own. I found a distance of about 1mm gives the best results in my setup. YMMV.

It's easy to lit up even those stubborn FL in this setup

ABC
ABC, thank you for sharing

Yesterday I read most of a sum-up document from the OU-thread on Steven Mark's TPU.

According to that explanation he has tried using 3 coils and supply the first with a base frequency, the next with 2. harmonic and the third with the 3.harmonic. He also states that when the frequencies are hit precisely, the TPU can self destruct.

The question is whether the same principle can be used here with exciter's and tubes ?
Maybe even use 3 tubes in line and 3 exciters ?

If the effects sum up like on the TPU, then...

By the way the terrible headache Doc mentions using aluminum blocks, seem to be the same with the alu foil covering. I just got a terrible headache from a few minutes experimenting.

ABC, have you noticed that headache effect with the copper tubes ?

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No headache with copper so far. However, with two SECs, for the first time, I've noticed my digital meters going totally crazy!

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ABC, have you noticed that headache effect with the copper tubes ?

Eric
In Dr Meyl's book on scalar waves he mentions that the nervous system is basically operated on one wire scalar waves and that you can affect things in the body both good and bad. Tesla lived to a ripe old age, but just something to be aware of...

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Heavy Oxygen, Naw! so what is it

@All

Just posted another video and this is of a single wire electrolysis cell where I have made the water one of the active electrodes.

YouTube is processing it now; remember search 'mrh2o2' and today.

YouTube - Heavy Oxygen, No Can't Be
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