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Old 03-09-2009, 08:39 PM
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The Watson Machine

Has anyone tried to replicate John Bedini's first free energy machine or as it has been refered to "The Watson Mchine"?
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Has anyone tried to replicate John Bedini's first free energy machine or as it has been refered to "The Watson Mchine"?
I built one a couple of years ago, but had no luck making it a self runner.
The problem was that, at the time, I really didn't understand what his machine was doing. I didn't know about pulsed flywheels, and I didn't know how to make fairly efficient alternators. I also wasn't very good at building commutators back then either.
I think if I built one now, I'd have a lot better chance of making it run more like Bedini did. In any case, it was a good experience and I would recommend anyone interested to give it a go.

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Watson machine details

I think Ash (from Panacea) has a doc with quite a few details on the Watson Machine. Maybe he wouldn't mind if they're re-posted in this thread?
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Aaron feel free to use ANYTHING you need my friend, yes there is some details in the Bedini course on the open source uni site.

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Old 03-10-2009, 04:01 AM
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Im working on something similar at the moment. Gonna take my time though and have everything machined properly. Based on the window motor + g field or energizer on the same shaft.
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Watson Machine

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Check Ash's doc here:
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See pages 78-82
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Bedini's Free Energy Generator

Yeh ive been quite curious about the Watson machine from Bedini's Free Energy Generator book.

As i can undertand, its about using an efficient pulse like motor (maybe a bedini) to spin a large mass, build up momentum and turn an alternator.

I guess maybe the inertia / momentum of the flywheel can store enough kinetic energy to overcome unity. Once the machine builds up enough momentum u just have to tap it along momentarily. And when ur not tapping it u can dump the generated energy back into the battery

Check out his video, this machine works on a similar principle to the watson machine - u'll have to skip to 1:00 hour exactly to find the part im talking about:

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The unique free energy machine, Bedini Free Energy Generator.

1985 Bedini Free energy Generator is the only real OU dispositive.

An adams type pulse motor, an alternator, and a pulse width modulator or reed switch to make pulses.

The rectification process is not simply, because you have to make pulses in order to create radiant power, the energy flow from the alternator is pure zero dot, it is not conventional power, it charges the battery very well.

An adams motor moving the wheel with recovery and a alternator connected trough pulses. It is OU. The generator causes little drag, because you furnish zero point power, only voltage, not current, and the kinetic energy from the flywheel helps to do this.

This is my current project. I`m very busy now. I haven't too much time for it.
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An often overlooked aspect of the Watson device is the flywheel. The combination of the pulsed DC motor and flywheel, when in resonance, will add significant extra energy into the system.
Getting this combination into resonance is the key to extracting energy. At resonance, the input current to the motor will dip. This is the optimal speed for the device.
The flywheel should have most of its weight on the perimeter of the wheel, as the Watson device shows. This type of flywheel will produce more energy than one with the weight centered around the axle.
IMHO, this is where all the energy is coming from. Nothing else is particularly unusual or OU. A standard dc motor, even though pulsed, isn't particularly efficient. The alternator Bedini recommends doesn't produce unusually high amounts of power either, in fact it's pretty mediocre. The only real gain I see is in the flywheel.
When I built my replication I didn't know anything about flywheels. I tried all kinds of different ways of making the electrical part more efficient but couldn't get it to produce more energy than it consumed. My flywheel consisted of a cylinder of lead shot, probably the least efficient configuration for a flywheel while being pulsed.
I hope this helps.

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the flywheel doesn't add energy, only is there because one wants to convert mechanic energy into electric energy, and the flywheel acts like a kinetic energy capacitor.

The "energy" or aetheric energy comes from the pulsed alternator, nobody understands this.

The motor switches off because one wants to recharge the primary battery, nothing else, one can do a two battery setup and observe real OU. It is Ou because the motor doesn't stop and the alternator is not generating current, only virtual particle flow,/ voltage. Therefore there is a Lenz drag bending.
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It seems that nobody understands the principle working behind the Free Energy Generator.
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This thread must be revised, because 1985 Bedini free energy generator is the unique free energy generator.

One has to pay for the rotor rotation only in pulses, but it generates great spikes from the alternator.
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I believe it was actually 1984 DW.
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Negative energy is a MASS-LESS CHARGE WITHOUT ELECTRONS (or pure voltage, little current) that cracks sharply a system full of Atoms, AND BUILDS MASSIVE CHARGES , REAL DIFERENTIAL IN POTENTIAL , STEADY STATE, POSITIVE ENERGY , IN ORDER TO DO WORK OVER MASSES.

This is what Bedini talks about.

This is what i'm doing in my Adams motor now. Now with termoelectric conversors.
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We perceive what we cannot see. We feel what we cannot hear. We strive for perfection in our thought models, but we seem to forget that sometimes it is the imperfections in nature that can help to make things work. --Bill Fogal

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Darkwizard

I have to say that while I don't come across your postings too often (different projects I gather), when I do, I greatly admire the cut of your jib..
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the flywheel doesn't add energy, only is there because one wants to convert mechanic energy into electric energy, and the flywheel acts like a kinetic energy capacitor.

The "energy" or aetheric energy comes from the pulsed alternator, nobody understands this.

The motor switches off because one wants to recharge the primary battery, nothing else, one can do a two battery setup and observe real OU. It is Ou because the motor doesn't stop and the alternator is not generating current, only virtual particle flow,/ voltage. Therefore there is a Lenz drag bending.
I can see you don't know about flywheels yet either. That's OK.
The pulsed alternator will give you a nice high voltage if the cap is adjusted for resonance at the operating speed (note the current meter in John's schematic). This will indeed reduce the lenz drag since less current is being drawn from the magnets. This is the most efficient way to extract energy from an alternator. This is commonly done on SSG setups to extract extra energy from the wheel using an extra generator coil, although a cap is generally not employed.
Nevertheless, IMHO, this is still not enough to overcome losses in the system. Like I said, I already built one and even though I tuned the alternator, it still didn't run OU.
In all fairness, I certainly didn't build a particularly high quality replication, and I didn't exhaust all variations on this theme. But it was a decent job and should have worked better than it did, according to the hype in the book.
The thing about Bedini machines is that he never gives you the essence of where the energy is coming from. He lets you figure that out for yourself. There is always some special little way to get that extra bit of energy you need to make the thing OU.
I would invite you to do a two battery setup, as you suggested, to prove your point that the pulsed alternator will provide enough energy to charge a separate battery faster than the primary battery is exhausted.
I look forward to being proved incorrect.

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Looking at the Motor

Hi Guys,

Thought I'd drop in and share a few things.

There is another interesting feature of the Watson Machine that is usually overlooked, and that is the motor. The salvaged aircraft starter/generator unit was essentially a system that had a wound field and a wound rotor, with a brush commutator. It was probably SERIES WOUND. This means that when the motor is offered electric current from the battery, it will produce bursts of TORQUE. It also means that when the motor is disconnected from the battery, it will produce NO back EMF and NO DRAG except for the brush friction.

If you attempt to use a DC motor with a permanent magnet field in this machine, it won't work, because these motors ALWAYS produce reverse currents into the shorted turns of the rotor windings, and therefore, always produce DRAG when not connected to a power supply! You can see this behavior quite easily when you try to spin the shaft. A permanent magnet field DC motor will NOT free wheel when disconnected from power. They stop very quickly due to their internal short circuit on the rotor!

For those of you who have seen my DVD Electric Motor Secrets, you may also understand that if this motor/flywheel system is run at a speed that is significantly near the top speed of the motor for its excitation voltage, the current draw will be greatly reduced, because the internal back EMF of the motor will be approaching maximum. There are other subtleties to this aspect of the machine that only become apparent after significant experimentation with motors.

With the permanent magnet induced, inductive collapse "energizer" driving into a capacitor, the back EMF drag of the generator section drops to a very low value because the system is encouraged to produce VOLTAGE instead of current. Current production is the ONLY aspect of electricity that causes DRAG according to Lenz Law, not voltage.

This is the first machine that Bedini developed for the charging of a battery from a capacitor dump. Its a brilliant little arrangement because the capacitor never drops below the battery voltage, so when it is disconnected from the battery, 100% of the energy it receives from the "energizer" is added to the capacitor at a voltage ABOVE the battery voltage. So, the system can produce 100% of its energy at reduced back EMF and make ALL of it available to the battery.

With the flywheel storing the torque, produced by the motor pulses and consumed by the "current production" of the energizer, the "window" for understanding HOW the machine can go OU is revealed. This machine cannot work without a proportional flywheel and a good, low friction bearing system.

The secret of the machine is in "managing" the back EMF production in both the motor and the generator. The motor MUST be able to operate in a pure "free wheel mode" in-between the torque pulses it contributes. The energizer MUST charge into a capacitor so its output is biased toward VOLTAGE production and away from current. This reduces the back EMF drag (reverse motoring effect) it produces.

When all of the components are proportional (tuned) and the system gets up to operational speed, the losses go to minimum and the COP goes above 1 and the battery starts charging.

That is my understanding of the machine.

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Thanks Peter, excellent points there.

This is some of the reasons I was leaning towards the window motor for the motor part. It can free wheel easily, has "off time" already factored in and at its highest speed it draws its lowest input power. I learnt alot of things with that simple circuit (the bipolar switch) and I think there is more to come. I am not surprised that most people who have talked about his motor generator usually havent built this circuit. If you look at his patents this circuit is the one which is used in his motor/generator configurations. It is only slightly different to the SG circuit, but behaves radically differently.

"The secret of the machine is in "managing" the back EMF production in both the motor and the generator." I think many people only consider back emf in regards to the motor, it is refreshing to see it considered in the energizer too. J Koorn told me of a G field design he witnessed in operation which increased speed the more the user tried to pull power from it.
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Hi Peter,
You make some very good points, thanks for the insights.

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A note on flywheels... A rotational system, such as a planet in orbit, gains energy each cycle because it is in asymmetrical resonance. It alternately has a centripetal and a centrifugal component within each orbit, which distinguishes it from a circular orbit.
When a flywheel is pulsed, it's center of kinetic energy is pushed out towards the rim (centrifugal). As the load creates drag and slows the angular velocity, this center is drawn back towards the axle (centripetal). When this process is in resonance, extra energy is produced, as it is in any other system with this type of asymmetrical orbit.
Centrifugal force can only add energy to an orbit if there is also a centripetal component within that same revolution. Milkovic's oscillator uses this principal as the radius of the arc of the pendulum increases and decreases with each swing. No work can be done until that fulcrum moves.
The kinetic energy within a flywheel acts just like a mass, which moves toward and away from the axis of rotation depending on the rate of acceleration or deceleration
Again, resonance is the key. Random pulses will not produce the same effect as well timed, synchronous pulses will. Each flywheel has it's own resonant frequency which has to be found in order for this principal to work correctly. Pulsing a flywheel with a motor that receives it's drive pulses from a commutator attached to the drive axle (Watson motor) is a good way to do this. No matter what the speed of rotation is, the pulses will always be synchronous with the flywheel. Then it's just a matter of finding the optimal speed.

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Carousal Electric Generator

Check this out, it seems similar to the Watson machine

Its called the Carousal Electric Generator and is claimed to be OU (patent 5625241)
U.S. Patent: 5625241 - Carousel electric generator - April 29, 1997

I posted a video earlier on the page but i dont think anyone looked at it. it seems relevant. Fast forward to 1:00 hour exactly to see the machine. Someone mentioned the watson machine relying on really good bearings for minimum drag. This device is macgnetically levitated to minimise friction

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Fuzzines about watson energizer

I made a little ssg from a 80 mm cooler fan;I removed the blades from the rotor
and I glued instead ,4 ferrite magnets,all N poles outside ,used in furniture industry to keep the furniture doors closed .Around of that magnets I glued 4 little coils with 200 turns each ,0,3 mm wire.Coils wires I connected in series.

I tried to combine watson machine with ssg .The little ssg is powered from 2
little battery conected in series to give 24 v.The rotor rotating very fast at that voltages.

I hoked up at the output rotor coils connected in series,a little 60 v neon bulb, to see if radiant energy appear.No success.

I have read this topic,but I don't understand what I missed in theory;I have read the FEG book about watson machine and Erwin's (from fight 4 truth site) informations about this but seems ,I have a wall in my mind and cannot
pass over .

What I understand,is we must obtain somehow ,high voltage,radiant spikes from energizer,to charge batteries.Can somebody help me to understand why this HV spikes don't appear in my little energizer?

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sinergicus,

Here is a little demo i did on the basic technique of what you want, if you still cant get it after watching this, you may not have enough turns on your coil or a strong enough magnet. It will be much more efficient if you switch it through a capacitor matched to the rotor speed, search for the thread about R, Adams generator coil to see what has been done there.


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Guys check out the FEG book, John now has patent the Watson machine and tells how to do it! i cannot post it here
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Guys check out the FEG book, John now has patent the Watson machine and tells how to do it! i cannot post it here
Hi Ash

You mentioned that "John now has patent the Watson machine" !!! How can that be possible if it was prior art?

I have just checked his patents and don't see anything related to the Free Energy Generator, do you have the patent number? I'd be really interested in seeing this

I have the FEG Second edition 2006 book, are you saying that there is newer information regarding this in a newer release of the FEG book?

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Hi Paul i;ll just have to get the details for you my friend , ill have to scan the out and quote them for you. Gimme a day or too wont be long
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Hi Paul, sorry i almost got it right, he has a patent pending in the book regarding the CONTROLLER for the watson energizer (free energy machine no 2) Sorry i did get it a bit wrong man

So not the whole contraption just parts of the Watson energizer i guess, i am looking at page 33.

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No worries mate

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