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Old 06-02-2009, 10:22 PM
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I love it, man you are on fire. As soon as I can find the time, I am going to work on my gravity motor also. I will try to post some of my results as soon as I can. It seems many here on this forum have caught on fire, as more info is coming in on the OU movement. My main OU device I want to finish is a 3 fold system where a water pump powers a turbine and generator and powers itself plus putting out enough energy to supply my house. I have seen it work on a smaller scale, so theoretically it should work on a larger scale. There is power in water,especially if run through a vortex. Good Luck. Stealth
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Old 06-02-2009, 11:23 PM
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Children of http://tinyurl.com/GravityWheelOne

An Engaging Summer Project


I am aiming for 09/09/09 (sooner if possible). There isn't any way I can meet that with every wheel design I have so anyone wants to pitch in we will raise a barn in the meadow. I have two basic drawings of the next two Gravity Wheels (below) putting them up today a Free ball. Anyone thinks they can do em go for it. I'll keep working the first one with this 8-pack of high speed roller bearings I bought today. I will release the last one (#5) when somebody gets one of these smack plate-based designs going without a load, just spinning.

The last one borrows from electronics without being electronics; in other words it has a flow to it like electricity. The skills you acquire from making one of these 2 run will come in very handy fabricating the shape of the last one. You'll notice the two designs are different from the one I began with Energetic Forum - CloudSeeder's Gravity Wheel on Fire (first page of this thread). That one was more "slingshot-intense" while these newer versions have the ball spin-bumped & gaining rolling momentum + gravity across|down the wheel to achieve maximum speed by 6 PM dead bottom center smack plate impact.

THE WHEEL SPINS THE PLATFORMS TO MEET THE BALLS
NOT THE BALLS ROLLING OVER TO THE PLATFORMS.
BALLS ROLLING IN THE BOTTOM OF THE RIM
= VERY LITTLE RESISTANCE.


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are raining all over the cats.

We have a race now if anyone wants to enter, for anyone wants to grab the ball and run with it + whoever wants to help ya. I would work up some animations if I felt like doing so but I don't so that's the way it is. The "Ball Paths" are easy enough but here's the trick => the wheel is spinning counter clockwise so the ball rides up the right side like riding up an escalator to be speed-dropped.

The platform has to be angled to where the ball is roll-dropped as the upper right quadrant is reached, perhaps around x + 25-35 degrees to begin rolling & dropping. I suggest a slightly steeper platform angle with a small speed bump at the lip -after a space between the ball- that might prove helpful for launch. Whoever can get one running is a worthy gravity wheel designer in your own right.

I understand this is a poor presentation but the "Prize" I offer is the last design that is unlike every design I have ever shown and any design presented under Peter's "The Mechanical Engine" thread. Get one of these going you will be the first person to see and work on a Gravity Wheel that uses both pendulum action and balls. To the winner belongs first dibs at getting the electronics-mimic'g Last Design working. Hopefully I'll be finishing the first one I'm doing now with whoever works on these -perhaps Marxist, SkyWatcher, Stealth or Cloxxki- and we'll pound out the last one by August 31.

Here's the full smack plate version =>



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and here's a limited version that may be more difficult than the one above
because I think it will need a few weights placed somewhere on the rim
(possibly inside the rim radius) to help pull it through =>



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Have fun doing it.

Notice the ball paths overlap so path sections can either be cut out to allow the criss-cross or the paths can be behind one another. If no one wants to work on them with these basics that's fine. I am posting them publicly since I mentioned them online where our overseas friends and trading partners can see them too. As for anyone wanting to file a patent on them there's the not-too-abstract idea that since I draw a

full SS disability from the US Goverment it might just consider itself part-owner.

Two birds <> one stone.
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Old 06-02-2009, 11:52 PM
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In the bottom picture A platform at the top is moving to meet the ball to carry it up to where D is, for instance. Synergy and Circular Motion are occurring at the same time. Multiple positives are happening the same time as negatives, like friction, all being a constant. So you have a 200% positive versus a 100% friction; 300% if you give credit to the inclined plane platforms, 350% if you add in some slingshot. And a rolling ball has very little friction.

Make any changes, remove any ball paths, try different weight balls, whatever it takes to make them work. I personally favor the smaller one.
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Old 06-03-2009, 12:02 AM
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@Stealth: Yep. those are good points. You might recall that when a karate person breaks boards with their fist they put a twisting motion into the wrist. It magnifies the strike by adding in some torque. I take it that's what you mean by setting up a "vortex".
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Old 06-03-2009, 06:41 PM
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Slot Machines?

They look a bit like slot machines. Narrow slugs world allow the ball paths to be close together... so maybe we could use somebody from Las Vegas who knows slot machine design. Hmm. A quarter would be a good weight. That would be terribly funny using coin of the realm to make a gravity wheel run.

They are uniform and very well made...
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Old 06-03-2009, 08:52 PM
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Roller Bearings + Bolt Nuts a PERFECT FIT!

Hey dudes and duderinos! This is working out fantastic. These roller bearings I got are 7/8" outside diameter and the insides are looks like 5/16ths. My complete outfit as before will work just fine with these bearings, just bore a 7/8" hole in the uprights and insert the bolt nuts in the inside of the bearing.

WHEW. BACK ON TRACK <> with <> MINIMAL CHANGES.

Actually better because it totally does away with using the nut couplings. I can go back to using the 5/8" dowel rod as the axle. Oh boy, this is so totally great. I can drill into the dowel rod.
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Old 06-03-2009, 09:54 PM
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Those are good looking designs, I just wish I had time to build all these and test the parameters of them. I have some steel ball bearings of 1'', that I think would power either one of those if set up right. I just have too many projects going on right now. Later, when I get some things caught up, I may try the first one. It's ironic, but it reminds me of a roulette wheel running vertical. I think it may just work. Good Luck. Stealth
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Old 06-03-2009, 11:02 PM
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I thought of a roulette wheel also. Did you see the picture I posted from the movie Krull? His glaive weapon looks like it also. hahaha 1984 returns!

With these super slick roller bearings I feel like I got this thing in da bag now. I asked him for the best he had. It was $18 for a pack of 8. Now if I could just have an idea how to make a bridle straddle the threaded rods. Maybe tomorrow.

Your pump ideas sound very promising. One of my realy ancient ideas from 1989 was to let waste water from each high rise and especially hospitals free fall to the basement and turn a turbine generator. I submitted it to the Dept. of Energy and, like everything else they said it wouldn't work. So I looked at it and figured a way around their objection and sent it back but, once they kill something it stays dead.

It would have saved hospitals a month electric bill annually.
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Old 06-03-2009, 11:39 PM
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Anything I submitted that did not walk lockstep with what their manuals said was poss

It would have saved hospitals a month electric bill annually.

Which was why I began realizing they wanted ideas but they wanted them from their boys not me. If a guy was a college grad he had a chance. They didn't want anything from me. I showed them how to improve water heaters by having a 10% exit water come back around and be added into the cold incoming water, thereby the water heater element didn't have to work nearly as hard.

Yep, they turned it down too. Anything I submitted that did not walk lockstep with what their manuals said was possible never saw the light of day. I realized a long time ago I was walking into a fierce wind.
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Old 06-04-2009, 12:01 AM
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Thanks. A friend of mine is bringing 2 pieces of stainless steel pipe, 12'' long. One is 8''ID, one 6''ID. I plan one welding end caps on the 6'' one, and running a 5/8 or 3/4 shaft through it. Then welding one end of the 8'' pipe solid.Then taking 1/8 inch stainless, and wrapping the 6'' pipe like an Archimedes screw, inserting it into the larger pipe, then making a removable end cap for it. It should make a great turbine, when I figure out the which screw turn angle works best. I intend to hook it up to my pool pump with 1-1/4'' hoses,and a pulley on the shaft turning a generator. The generator will supply the pump its electricity. Self running swimming pool! Later after I get all my data, I will want to power my house with a larger system. I have to see how much OU it will produce first. Good Luck. Stealth
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Old 06-04-2009, 12:46 AM
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Sounds like you're going to have one foot in water and the other near a generator to me. Wear a HazMat suit or something. It sounds like you're going to have some water flushing through and the screw catching turbulence, or causing turbulence. Fluid dynamics in Wikipedia might help you figure out how many turns to use for maximum output.

However, after you're done and maybe it doesn't work as hoped you can always put a windmill contraption with it and tap into some Federal windmill development money.
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Old 06-04-2009, 12:58 AM
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You could get a lot more power from a swimming pool full of water by laying black plastic on the surface to absorb every stitch of sunlight energy into the water, using the water as your "storage medium". Water stores energy better than solid concrete & heated water flows faster than cold, so you might eke out a faster water flow through your device...

I set a small pool up to do that back in 1982 but algae grew in the water. I coiled a big coil of pvc pipe around in the pool and had one end through the mobilehome wall at the floor level and the other end at the ceiling. So in the wintertime the cool air on the floor was pulled into (and naturally fell into) the coils outside in the pool where the air inside the pvc pipe was being heated and coming out inside the trailer at the ceiling.

It worked very well. I was laid off at that time and found something to do with a building on the property full of unused window glass to make the cover airtight to make a HEAT TRAP over the pool. The black plastic in direct contact with the pool water surface gives a direct energy transfer that spreads through water molecules.
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Old 06-04-2009, 05:51 PM
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Forgot the Fan!

If I had added a fan to push the air through the pvc pipe faster PLUS had a way to store the heat energy I wouldn't have needed a furnace that winter. Had I had the monies for a small generator we would have been having free electricity ever since then.

1982-2009 no electric bill = $13,500.00 at $50 per month average. One family a new car, or a sizeable Downpayment on a home, or one brand new mobilehome.
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Old 06-04-2009, 06:01 PM
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Forgot the Antifreeze!

The algae would never have grown in the pool had I added some killer antifreeze <> and had my pool been in the ground with a double wall (insulated) glass cover, 120,000,000 (million) American homes wouldn't have an electric bill today. Too bad everybody felt such a need to struggle so hard to stop me... afraid I'd be "different" as if that's a curse. Well, it was a curse in Virginia. People got so beat down here they threw in the towel and didn't like me not throwing in the towel with them.

Run with the ball Stealth man. I tried to plow the road for ya.
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Old 06-04-2009, 08:03 PM
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$50/month x 12 months x 27 years = $16,200.00 (x 100M Homes?)

My Math was off but this is On Topic because Savings on Energy Expenditures = Monies Available for Purchases and that's the Bottom Line. So $16.2 x 10^2 * 1 x 10^8 = $16.2 x 10^10 = hmm still doesn't look right. Doing it the hard way $16,200.00 times 100,000,000 homes equals $1.6 trillion dolares in 100,000,000 family's pockets for the span of 27 years.

A worthy goal; roughly $500 billion per decade being spent HERE instead of sent OVER THERE {everywhere but here} except of course we really can't do that because it's Protectionist and Isolationist to keep money here being spent here. So now that the energy issue is solved we simply have to scrap the entire project.

Everybody clock out.
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Old 06-04-2009, 11:03 PM
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YouTube - Free Energy_chunk_15.avi
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Old 06-04-2009, 11:04 PM
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Your ideas are a great heating system for the winter. I have thought of taping my heat pump into my pool for winter heat, using black plastic as a heat source. It would not have to ever kick into emergency heat, and would run more efficient with less energy. What I am trying to do is generate enough electicity to just run my 1-1/2 HP pool pump for now. If I can get it to self run, look out. Theoretically, it should support itself, especially using my torque converter setup. It would save me about $20 dollars a month for 5-6 months. Then I could think about the plastic and heating this winter. Good Luck. Stealth
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGCXGAgGdTY&NR=1

YouTube - Free Energy_chunk_17.avi has a great little engine that passes incoming fuel up the center of the exhaust pipe. The fuel is mostly water, maybe 80%. Thanks Joit!

Stealth, you're the man! Probably the only person planning to throw his heatpump into the swimming pool to save energy...
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Old 06-05-2009, 12:33 AM
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My friend hasn't brought my pipes yet, so, I am going to start on a project i've been designing for some time now. I am going to build a enclosure out of glass or Lexan, pyramid shaped, lined with copper tubing spiraled from bottom to near top. With small air vents cut into the bottom of the pyramid to allow air flow. The pipes will be painted black, as will the bottom of the pyramid. As it heats up, the rising air will be superheated and allowed to escape through a small hole in the top. But a copper wire and zinc plate(thermocouple) will be passed before exiting. I want to determine how much solar electricity I can produce with a small sized pyramid. Solar power in a small package. Good Luck. Stealth
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Old 06-05-2009, 02:06 AM
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Plasma? A Reverse-Tankless steam engine out of a combustion engine!

It sounds good. Just maybe don't go calling it a "plasma engine" like the guys in that last link I put up. It seems not to have helped their cause much. What they really did was the inverse of a tankless water heater in my opinion. Tankless has the heat source down the center while theirs had the heated exhaust air down the outside with the fuel coming through the center pipe.

All they did was make a steam engine out of a combustion engine. Innovative but hardly "plasma". That's why the inside of the engine stayed clean <> it was being steam-cleaned. Calling a steam engine a plasma process didn't help them much or we'd have them now. Regular guys trying to use scientist's terminology just doesn't wash.

About my pool. It was only 5 x 6 feet and 1 1/2 foot deep water. If someone with a real swimming pool did my process it would be producing a great deal more than heat during the winter. But whether mine with pvc pipe or yours with real pipe surrounded by air instead of water -both being a fluid- the end result will be the same.

A tremendous blast of heated air. All you need is a small locomotive-style opposed cylinder steam engine and a generator. Absolutely no pollution. Perhaps you can do that little trick with the spiral. I look forward to hearing how well it works for you.
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Old 06-05-2009, 03:51 AM
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You might want to put a temperature-activated door on the hole, for when a cloud goes over. It will slow heat loss til the clouds move. Some black cones on the floor would help. I used plastic cones as forms to make concrete cones and painted them black. Those plus your copper pipe weight will help maintain the heat it achieves, so the clouds go over and the system doesn't drop to room temperature then have to climb the hill all over again... helping keep the generator spinning at a more regular speed.

Cones will serve as heat sinks. Two or three of your pyramid systems out in the yard you'll be making money selling current back to APCO. Be like farming sunlight. Until somebody turns you in for raising the earth's temperature => unless you make it a closed system so the hot air comes back around as intake. Circular, that's the ticket. Cycling the hot air back around might keep it running til sundown. What color will you use? Black isn't the best. Choose a good psychedelic purple. I think it soaks up more infrared, or was that ultraviolet? Whew, I've forgotten that too.

Global Climate Change is solved. Time to punch the clock.
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Old 06-05-2009, 09:52 AM
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Sorry, i been only incredible lazy, to write something more about it.
The Vid17 is about Paul Pantones Geet, a very interesting think, there are Vids at youtube, where someone did Build it, and put Orangejuice and Cola in it, but the Motor has such good compustion, that it dont cares, so far its a bit liquid.
There should be even couple good Plans out somewhere how to build it,
they did never accept his Technique, but suppress it.
Panacea has a PDF for it, and there is a Geet Page at the Web.
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Old 06-05-2009, 11:44 AM
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Hard-to-start cold-natured-as-heck 1973 Monte Carlo that worked as a Steam Engine:

Thanks Joit, very much thanks. I'd be more than happy to convert my 1978 Ford Maverick to running his system if I had the money. Right now I don't drive much at all so it isn't on my front burner, and I got these gravity wheels in my rifle sights for 9/9/09 or before. I am more than a little concerned about what gasoline w/ethanol is doing to my Maverick fuel lines. I'll start looking into their system in earnest after the wheels are out of the way.

Cold Natured Hard-to-Start Car Engines? Add Steam!
Better Mileage <> Cleaner Engine

I had a system set up on a hard-to-start cold-natured-as-heck 1973 Monte Carlo that worked very well. It was cheap. All you needed was a big water bottle, an aquarium rock and some 1/8 inch tubing. Drill two holes in the bottle cap for the tubing. Run one tube to the bottom of the bottle and the aquarium rock. Insert longer piece of tubing just 1 inch into the cap's other hole and run it over to a vacuum port not being used for anything on the base of the carburetor.

When your turn the engine over the aquarium rock fizzes a fine mist that's immediately drawn into carburetor with the gasoline, darn engine started immediately. The mist was being instant heated into Steam by the exploding gas. This system steam-cleaned the engine also but it greatly increased engine power. I didn't have to push the accelerator pedal down nearly as much, and was then able to start the car up on cold mornings and pull away from the driveway immediately, no warmup required.

In short, I have no doubts their system worked because I understand a lot of what they were doing from my own experience.

What they did was they made the first truly hybrid engine,
a combustion fuel steam powerhouse dynamo
that is self-cleaning.


In the wintertime I added a little alcohol to keep the water from freezing overnight but the alcohol slowly dissolved the aquarium rock, that + road bumps. The Maverick makes a great Test Vehicle because it only gets 14 mpg... so any gains would be an improvement.
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Old 06-05-2009, 11:56 AM
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Sorry, i been only incredible lazy, to write something more about it.
The Vid17 is about Paul Pantones Geet, a very interesting think, there are Vids at youtube, where someone did Build it, and put Orangejuice and Cola in it, but the Motor has such good compustion, that it dont cares, so far its a bit liquid.
There should be even couple good Plans out somewhere how to build it,
they did never accept his Technique, but suppress it.
Panacea has a PDF for it, and there is a Geet Page at the Web.
I recently shortly researched the web for this device as well. Very disappointing research done as far as I was able to find. Incomplete replications, inventor recently passing away I think.
The guy seemed quite sincere and convinced in the video, and while taking sort shortcuts in my mind, operation did seem to have some merit.
I would like to have measurements of exhaust gasses, see if this really is lightening the elements.
If half of it is real, it's the solution to countless global problems. A chance to start cleaning up earth, and getting some energy from our waste, clean energy.

The fuel being the water though, might be what bothers people with big stakes. The simplistic way I see the invention, it's offering a preferable environment for multiple products to react to each other, while releasing useful mechanical energy, where exhausts end up being "clean". Not only the water is "burned" right. It may even be more of a catalyst than a fuel, even if H and O work fine for burning, once available as such.
Unless someone has a better idea, the Pantone device looks worthy of more professional attention.
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1100% More Engine Power Than Gasoline and Diesel Engines <> enginewow.htm

Joit: This just points out even more how critical it is to name a new energy source engine system correctly. Calling an engine the GEET when it sounds so phonetically close to GEEK was a really poor choice. It's a doggone shame when a person has such great ideas and then shoots his own horse at the starting gate, kills his own ride! Just by being poorly named.

1100% More Engine Power Than Gasoline and Diesel Engines
True Two~Fuels True Hybrid Engine => enginewow.htm

My steam+air engine suffered the same fate when I called it "enginewow" as the file name. It combines liquid air with pre-injected steam that keeps the inside cylinder warm, preventing the flashed cold air (minus 320 degrees) from flash-freezing the piston to an instant stop glued and frozen to the cylinder walls. Totally without combustion of any kind, making an engine that will have 1100% the power of combustion engines and diesels.

Mechanical Heart Design as of February 2008:
Closed System <> No Combustion

In early 2008 I had an inspiration to build the 2003 enginewow.htm engine as a Mechanical Heart, truly one of "God's Engines" using Creation heart design for its own. It is in fact a Living Engine of sorts. I included a number of engineering tricks to make it have a minimum of 1100% more power than diesel engines or gasoline, totally minus any combustion. It is in fact a totally "closed system" once it is built. No more standing at a fuel pump of any kind.

It's an advanced steam engine... and yet the Steam is no longer the Prime Mover <> the liquid air is. Steam is changed to being a catalyst that makes the liquid air explode rather than just expand. It is a lot more powerful than the GEET ENGINE.

Enginewow is a double power "dual catalyst" because the steam is a catalyst (power magnifier) to the liquid air while at the same time the liquid air is catalyzing the steam to implode, multiplying the power of the liquid air. I will explain that. When the liquid air touches the heated h2o in the steam the steam instantly collapses at 186,000 miles per second creating an instant vacuum out ahead of the liquid air <> so a vacuum offers no resistance whatever to the exploding 4,361 psi air.

Actually Joit, 1100% is conservative.
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Old 06-05-2009, 12:34 PM
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Cloxxki: Better idea worthy of Professional Attention...

Truer words have never been spoken Cloxxki. Having enginewow, knowing what it will do world's above the Pantone engine or any new diesel engines, has been like falling down a well and hollering for someone to come save you, and no one hearing ya. I've been patiently waiting though because I knew one day people would want an engine that never pulls upto a gasoline pump.
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Old 06-05-2009, 12:48 PM
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Step over into Macedonia into a No Fuel Pumps World

Step over into Macedonia into a No Fuel Pumps World. So easy <> So easy. No tricks, no shellgame, locomotion engine energy of the gods. All right there in front of us, just pick the grapes off the vines.
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Old 06-05-2009, 01:00 PM
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Direct Air+Steam or Total Electric Generator No Plug-In Overnite

Enginewow.htm can generate the raw Power directly to the wheels or it can spin a heavy-output generator on the engine shaft... making a totally electric car. No need to plug it in overnite like giving a baby its bottle. No need to pull up to solar plug-in stations every 200 miles. No need for nuthin'. Just get in your car and drive just as much as you want.

Plenty of power for a larger tractor-trailer rig engine,
pull any load they pull now, no diesel required.
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Hey Guys

After nearly 3.5 years of wrongful incarceration, primarily at Utah State Hospital, Mr. Pantone the inventor of GEET is now out and ready to move on, while also facilitating the international human rights organizations clean up a corrupt institution. A review of the GEET plasma reactor fuel efficiency technology and an article on him can be found here Paul Pantone of GEET released

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Worldwide Energy Independence:

The posts on this web page tell how Mankind and Womankind can experience a level of worldwide Energy Independence... far above the Gravity Wheel topic of this thread.
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