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Old 02-20-2009, 06:18 AM
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Post Avramenko's plug - Single wire power

I think this might have been overlooked in flurry of experiments.

Excerpt from ACTUAL EXPERIMENTS done by Frolov and Naudin

"These circuits have experimentally proved the possibility of producing power
in a load by means of POTENTIAL ONLY!"


Unlike Tesla's method, as I understand it, resonance is not required ...
This simplifies the circuit build greatly.
Power Extraction in the Point of Changing Potential
The web page above states: "Length of the wire must be corresponding to some
resonance value", but this is not so from what I understand via other
documentation about the Avramenko's plug.

Avramenko's Free Electrons Pump By Jean-Louis Naudin / Stefan Hartmann

Stanley Meyer, please meet Stanislav Avramenko: Water as a fuel...

Users listed below have mentioned Avramenko or directly spoke about the
Avramenko's plug.
anut
Imhotep's Radiant Oscillator Video
patmac
Gray Tube Replication
Gray Tube Replication
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Single Wire Capacitor Charging
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Tesla's radiant energy system (for Peter Lindemann)
Mario
Tesla one wire system

I can't remember who, I'm sorry I should remember, a user video tape this
method with CFLs without as I remember mentioning Avramenko .
I wouldn't mention it either, I can't say that name.

Just this could be helpful
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Old 02-20-2009, 06:50 AM
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More info

I realized I didn't include the patent, but I was unable to find it online.
Other versions of this I've seen do not use a spark gap as seen on this web page below.

DISCOVERY !: THE ONE WIRE ELECTRIC CIRCUIT @ jnaudin.free.fr

Seems to be two of these guys:
Stanislav Avramenko and Konstantin Avramenko
as per patent US 6,104,107
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Hi Randy,

Here are some other patents on this topic, by one of them, Avramenko Stanislav:

RU2108649, see this link:

esp@cenet — Bibliographic data

And RU2255405 and RU2255406 by him and another person:

esp@cenet — Bibliographic data

esp@cenet — Bibliographic data

Unfortunately, these three are in Russian.

I think if we make a high Q resonant tank circuit and oscillate it in a very low power oscillator, then the high resonant amplitude could be loaded by a "plug" and probably the high Q would still be maintained. Question is how much power could be received from the plug's output, compared to the oscillator input power?

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Yes, it's true, but I have not instrument to measure input/output on HV, but I can tell you I burned all a cap 0.22uf X 220 volts poliester with that circuit.

That prooves me that Bearden is on the way....

Only the potential is necessary to make the work.....
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Dr Stiffler uses the AV plug in his circuits.

His website seems to be down, but his youtube page is still up

YouTube - MRH2O2's Channel

post on the OU message board with a circuit diagram.

Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler


I'm currently putting together one of his simple SEC boards. Got my order in from Jameco.

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Old 02-21-2009, 03:19 AM
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Dr Stiffler uses the AV plug in his circuits.
His website seems to be down, but his youtube page is still up
YouTube - MRH2O2's Channel
post on the OU message board with a circuit diagram.
Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
I'm currently putting together one of his simple SEC boards. Got my order in from Jameco.
YES
That's COOL (pun intended) ..........................................
Spatial Energy Coherence, Cool White #6
Video showing night light bulb in water, non-SHOCK electricity.

What is Dr.Stiffler doing here in the video above, is he using
the circuit you posted a link to?

It's a mess over there at overunity on this topic.

THINKING out loud:
Maybe capacitors can be flaky things, leading to deep-fried understanding via failed experiments

Words can lead to great misunderstandings. The words used could be best-fit
or best-guess and should not be taken as absolutes, RF and Spatial are
used and I ask, are these two confirmed as absolute or is it a belief (best guess).

I saw a suggested use of a Faraday Cage, but did not find results from someone trying that experiment.

I found lots of links about what Dr.Stiffler is doing, but most are old news (the beginnings) and those would be moving backwards instead of forwards.

This Avramenko plug is extremely simple, but it has been confused with Tesla's work and resonance, as in "SAME AS", which it is NOT, or misrepresented or complicated needlessly.

The links I gave, I hated to give, because they go off on tangents away from
the simple Avramenko plug.

3 things curiously related to experiments already done here at this forum with CFLs ..
1) Human touching makes bulbs brighter, even with the COOL electricity.
2) Antenna as Jean-Louis Naudin used or Ground as Dr.Stiffler used
is "EQUAL to" or "SAME as" Human Touching.
3) seemingly distance related, but with strange inconsistencies

The above are a common effects and learning more of the why, how, function of or what it is, I think, would lead to faster development.

In the OU topic you posted I read that someone did 100 LEDs with a old AA battery. That's not a Joule Thief .. that's "what's going on here".

Great Stuff (running purely on intuition, without a shred of knowledge )
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Old 02-21-2009, 03:29 AM
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Yes, it's true, but I have not instrument to measure input/output on HV, but I can tell you I burned all a cap 0.22uf X 220 volts poliester with that circuit.
That prooves me that Bearden is on the way....
Only the potential is necessary to make the work.....
I don't have HV meter either. I don't have much of anything but intuition.
My experience is as close to zero as it gets.
With that said, would a resistor before/after the inflow diode,
of the Avramenko plug circuit, prevent burning up the cap?
Would that totally bugger up the circuit?

just (really guessing)
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I have been following the SEC developments from the start and been replicating them successfully. But with this last Cool White experiment I have not had much success. Sometimes I can't even get my neon bulb to light up, even though there are oscillations, while other times it shines bright, and yes when I touch it it gets brighter. LEDs are not a problem it seems just the higher voltage items.

Same goes when using a beaker filled with water, and aluminium foil around it. I do not know whether this, or my body when using fingers, act as an antenna or not as I am not verse in RF that much.

There's definite ultrawide band oscillations, as I can see the harmonics on the spectrum analyzer but to what amount do these harmonics matter I am not sure.

Looking at doc's videos, his spectrum shots do not look that much different than mine, yet he's lighting flourescent lights and all I can light is a small neon bulb or some LEDs. I have been using various medium to high amplification transistors (150-300 hFE) and they all impose different impedances affecting the resonant frequencies of LC tank in the base.

Something is missing and I do not know what but I plan to find out (by emailing him, hehe)...
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I have been following the SEC developments from the start and been replicating them successfully. But with this last Cool White experiment I have not had much success. Sometimes I can't even get my neon bulb to light up, even though there are oscillations, while other times it shines bright, and yes when I touch it it gets brighter. LEDs are not a problem it seems just the higher voltage items.

Same goes when using a beaker filled with water, and aluminium foil around it. I do not know whether this, or my body when using fingers, act as an antenna or not as I am not verse in RF that much.

There's definite ultrawide band oscillations, as I can see the harmonics on the spectrum analyzer but to what amount do these harmonics matter I am not sure.

Looking at doc's videos, his spectrum shots do not look that much different than mine, yet he's lighting flourescent lights and all I can light is a small neon bulb or some LEDs. I have been using various medium to high amplification transistors (150-300 hFE) and they all impose different impedances affecting the resonant frequencies of LC tank in the base.

Something is missing and I do not know what but I plan to find out (by emailing him, hehe)...

I've followed the SEC thread on OU.com for a long time now and just now had some time to get parts and get one together.

So I've got this thing breadboarded and I can't seem to get it to work.

Its drawing 30 milliamps but the neon isn't coming on. not sure what I am doing wrong. I'd ask for some help over there but the thread seems dead and the Doc seems to have closed his website.


I'd love to get my hands on one of those SEC 15-3s he was selling a long time ago.
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Success!

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3004.jpg


I think I had the chokes backwards, they weren't labeled when I got them from Jameco. Automatically assumed the smaller one was 10uH, and the larger being 22uH. Still not sure to tell you the truth, haven't looked for a color chart yet

I don't have a tunable inductor yet. tried using some coiled solid copper but no luck yet, popped another choke on it off the base and it worked.

not very bright with what I have right now, but it gets brighter when I touch it, and even more so when I clipped on a CFL to see if it would light it.



http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3011.jpg

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3015.jpg

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3013.jpg

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3017.jpg



Amp draw goes down to about 60 mAmps when I clip on the CFL and the neon gets brighter.

This is a cool little circuit.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3016.jpg

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...SEC15-3018.jpg
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Mutten,

nice work, you could say you succeeded against all odds (seeing that doc is not posting on OU anymore)

You really need to make a variable inductor for the oscillator (body with a ferrite slug) so that the LC tank can be tuned precisely and with lower current consumption.

Using store bought inductors is easy at first but can be painful most of the times because component values are limiting the tuning options.

Also, LCR meter is definitely a good item to have , I find myself using it more and more lately, almost as much as a DMM.

Otherwise it's really fun seeing a neon bulb light up brightly from a single transistor oscillator that has no usual step-up transformers in it and relies on resonance.

Try emailing doc Stiffler, perhaps he still has some SEC 15-3 boards around his lab? Having a board is much easier because he designed it in such a way to provide necessary capacitance in the circuit.
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nice work, you could say you succeeded against all odds (seeing that doc is not posting on OU anymore)

You really need to make a variable inductor for the oscillator (body with a ferrite slug) so that the LC tank can be tuned precisely and with lower current consumption.

Using store bought inductors is easy at first but can be painful most of the times because component values are limiting the tuning options.

Also, LCR meter is definitely a good item to have , I find myself using it more and more lately, almost as much as a DMM.

Otherwise it's really fun seeing a neon bulb light up brightly from a single transistor oscillator that has no usual step-up transformers in it and relies on resonance.

Try emailing doc Stiffler, perhaps he still has some SEC 15-3 boards around his lab? Having a board is much easier because he designed it in such a way to provide necessary capacitance in the circuit.
Could only find those tunable coil forms at one website, had to have a minimum of $15 ( to not get charged $10 handling fee ) so I grabbed some various ferrite cores to play with along with.

161007-14-Slug-Tuned coil forms-Electronic Surplus Inc.Offering obsolete IC's, discretes, motors, relays, switches, pots, and much, much more! Always looking for your excess inventory.


@amigo
Question, what size wire and how many turns are on the coil form for the SEC15?

Been searching through the OU forum but I can't seem to locate the info.

@Vortex sorry missed your question, as far as I know the Doc is using a modified SEC15-3 ( that circuit I linked to) to power the cool white lights and small incandescent. What the modifications are I'm not sure, but in the videos it looks like there is a larger air core coil attached to it. Won't be able to do much till my coil forms get here.

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Could only find those tunable coil forms at one website, had to have a minimum of $15 ( to not get charged $10 handling fee ) so I grabbed some various ferrite cores to play with along with.

161007-14-Slug-Tuned coil forms-Electronic Surplus Inc.Offering obsolete IC's, discretes, motors, relays, switches, pots, and much, much more! Always looking for your excess inventory.


@amigo
Question, what size wire and how many turns are on the coil form for the SEC15?

Been searching through the OU forum but I can't seem to locate the info.

@Vortex sorry missed your question, as far as I know the Doc is using a modified SEC15-3 ( that circuit I linked to) to power the cool white lights and small incandescent. What the modifications are I'm not sure, but in the videos it looks like there is a larger air core coil attached to it. Won't be able to do much till my coil forms get here.

Those coil forms will do just fine, but might need to be rewound. The wire gauge is not an issue, start with AWG 26 and see where it goes. That's why I mentioned the LCR meter as an important part of the instrumentation..

What matters is the resulting impedance which needs to be in the 2-8uH range (according to doc's specs). If I recall, doc's impedance was 1-3uH or so...it really depends on the rest of the circuit (capacitor and the transistor itself).

Regarding the modifications to the original SEC15-3, doc said what they were in the video #6 I believe when he lifts the piece of paper...

Either way, I am still trying to replicate it, because this intrigues me much, the incandescent bulb light up without current frying the operator
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Amigo said:
"Either way, I am still trying to replicate it, because this intrigues me much,
the incandescent bulb light up without current frying the operator"

Amigo, how would you identify non-shock cool/cold "juice"?
Ah, hold your horses.. I've seen a video, I don't remember the topic.
It would be nice to X-ref that topic here.

Peter commented on the HV .. it was a Tesla setup with two vertical rods ,
I think the guy was Indian or in the EAST somewhere. This guy was touching
the rods with HV and not getting fired, Peter gave a reason I remember now..
I don't recall him saying it was COLD juice.

Anyway the question is How, FINGER TEST IT?
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Anyway the question is How, FINGER TEST IT?
braveheart or insanty

sec is good circuit but hard to tune build 10 work 2 and onliy for few days

in thomas oscillator version is esier to make
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Hello all just dropping in to say YouTube - Singlewire lightbulb Singlewire charging
that if you come off the cable at right angle you should get the potential different all along the wire which would give you all you need for OU.
I think is is what telsa was doing,The Tom Bearden Website

Granted, then, that an economic system of power transmission thru a single wire is practicable, the question arises how to collect the energy in the receivers. With this object attention is called to Fig. 5, in which a conductor is shown excited by an oscillator joined to it at one end. Evidently, as the periodic impulses pass thru the wire, differences of potential will be created along the same as well as at right angles to it in the surrounding medium and either of these may be usefully applied. Thus at a, a circuit comprising an inductance and capacity is resonantly excited in the transverse, and at b, in the longitudinal sense. At c, energy is collected in a circuit parallel to the conductor but not in contact with it, and again at d, in a circuit which is partly sunk into the conductor and may be, or not, electrically connected to the same. It is important to keep these typical dispositions in mind, for however the distant actions of the oscillator might be modified thru the immense extent of the globe the principles involved are the same.
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I can't remember who, I'm sorry I should remember, a user video tape this
method with CFLs without as I remember mentioning Avramenko .
I wouldn't mention it either, I can't say that name.
I knew I was going to regret not remembering who it was I saw doing that.
Sorry, Bodkins so much info, loose tract of the sources

This is the video I was speaking about above.
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that if you come off the cable at right angle you should get the potential different all along the wire which would give you all you need for OU.
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Amigo, how would you identify non-shock cool/cold "juice"?
Ah, hold your horses.. I've seen a video, I don't remember the topic.
It would be nice to X-ref that topic here.

Peter commented on the HV .. it was a Tesla setup with two vertical rods ,
I think the guy was Indian or in the EAST somewhere. This guy was touching
the rods with HV and not getting fired, Peter gave a reason I remember now..
I don't recall him saying it was COLD juice.

Anyway the question is How, FINGER TEST IT?
Smartass

Here must be that video you are talking about: YouTube - Tesla Radiant Energy
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Here must be that video you are talking about: YouTube - Tesla Radiant Energy
Yeppers, that's the video, very good Amigo.
At least someone here has a brain that can remember something

Topic Link: Tesla's Stout copper bars "Hairpin Circuit"
And what Peter said: "in this system, already in a "short circuit" condition, the
body presents a very high impedance so no energy can be "dissipated" in the body."

My ass and brain are not on speaking terms and though it might be smart,
it does me absolutely no good at all.
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Thanks but I can't take all that credit.

Sometimes I get moments of clarity, but with all the noise pollution (sound, EM, people's negative thoughts, etc) around me, most of the time I feel brain dead...it is choking me (mentally and maybe physically)
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I couldn't take it anymore and broke down and bought an LCR meter.

Working blind with this coils was driving me looney.

This is what I picked up, least expensive I could find with a decent ammount of features.

Mastech Digital Multimeter & LCR Meter, MS8222H | Kaito Electronics, Inc.

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I couldn't take it anymore and broke down and bought an LCR meter.

Working blind with this coils was driving me looney.

This is what I picked up, least expensive I could find with a decent ammount of features.

Mastech Digital Multimeter & LCR Meter, MS8222H | Kaito Electronics, Inc.

Yeah I have one of those DMMs, but the problem is its range is 2mH and many coils are in uH. So, I ended up building the LC meter using a PIC microcontroller and couple of passive components:

Very Accurate LC Meter based on PIC16F84A

Incidently, they also sell this one as a kit Electronics-DIY.com - LC Meter (no, I am not associated with them, this is just for information), although the price of $65.95 is pretty steep, components end up costing $20 or so when building on your own.

What I like about this one is that it measures from ridiculously low impedance of 10nH all the way up to 100mH. Capacity meter is also good, 0.1pF up to 900nF.
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Yeah I have one of those DMMs, but the problem is its range is 2mH and many coils are in uH. So, I ended up building the LC meter using a PIC microcontroller and couple of passive components:

Very Accurate LC Meter based on PIC16F84A

Incidently, they also sell this one as a kit Electronics-DIY.com - LC Meter (no, I am not associated with them, this is just for information), although the price of $65.95 is pretty steep, components end up costing $20 or so when building on your own.

What I like about this one is that it measures from ridiculously low impedance of 10nH all the way up to 100mH. Capacity meter is also good, 0.1pF up to 900nF.

I was questioning about how low the 2mH setting would go and in the PDF for the product it says a resolution of .001 mH which if I understand correctly is 1 uH so hopefully it can measure that low. If not, it has plenty of other features I can get some use out of.

http://www.elexp.com/a_data/01DMMS8222H.pdf

ballpark between 1-10uH is what I'm looking for, but I'll check in to that DIY kit also.
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Oh the unit is great overal, I just find it insufficient for small uH coils because of the resolution. As you know resonance is everything, and sometimes that 0.5uH makes a difference.
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Cold Electricity

They know about this guy over at the
Capacitor charging thread.

See this video, Cold Electricity lighting a bulb (underwater)
states Negative end of a modified laser drive (unknown if that means a RW/CD drive)
I didn't know where to put this video, so it's here.

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Sr 90 oder BaFe Core for Non-linearity?

Dear All,

Has anybody understood or replicated how Dr. Stiffler uses single wire ultra wideband longitudinal waves and capacitor plates to charge cap in overunity mode? (My thought)

He has a big coil in his last videos. He might have Ba-Fe or Strontium 90 core in there for a non-linear behaviour ha?

Also anybody heard about what was core of Tesla coil?

My friend Steve Ryan indicates you can extract Strontium 90 from milk, have you heard about it?

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My friend Steve Ryan indicates you can extract Strontium 90 from milk, have you heard about it?
Good reason to become vegan

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He might have Ba-Fe or Strontium 90 core in there for a non-linear behaviour ha?

Who knows what Stiffler is using there, nothing is impossible
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Core where?

All coils in Dr. Stiffler's ESEC are air coils except for the main LC tank (L1) which has a Fe core - a plain normal form with a slug in it.

No mystery there, he wrote about it, he spoke and showcased it as well.
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Core where?

All coils in Dr. Stiffler's ESEC are air coils except for the main LC tank (L1) which has a Fe core - a plain normal form with a slug in it.

No mystery there, he wrote about it, he spoke and showcased it as well.
On the last 4-6 videos he has a modified version. That is where OU is realized.

ESEC 15-3 did not show OU affect alone. You must modify like he has done.

Even on the latest videos you can't really understand why there is a bigger new coil there and how it is connected.

He does not want to release information and we have to understand from videos some how.

I beleive he utilizes somehow Frovolov's AV plug.

I beleive Tesla was also utilized similar system in his Magnifier.

Wider band may be needed in order to have OU affect on the capacitor plates.

Some people even says that Capacitors are acting as antenna to grab cosmic rays. Tesla's wireless magnifying trasmission system was same as a capacitor system as Meyl claims.

Dr. Stiffler may be utilizing so called scalar waves I guess..

World need to look at his next upcoming video! America and world owes him a lot!

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Khm, well She sure did a mess of her creatures.
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