I can't say I fully understand it either but I have it from a reliable source and it makes sense considering John's background in audio technology.

I found a good analogy for impedance matching

Impedance Matching Transformers

imagine you are riding a bike in a very high gear... and although your legs are not moving very fast you are using alot of energy, straining your muscles trying to turn the shaft, and the bike doesn't go very fast compared to the energy you put in. This is a good analogy electrically to your recovery coil having a much higher resistance than your charging battery. High voltage, and low current (despite the high voltage, current is low because of the overall resistance of the circuit), low overall watts transfered.

now imagine riding a bike in very low gear... your legs are spinning like mad, though with less strain on your muscles, but again you don't go very fast... this is similar to the near impossible scenario where your recovery coil has a resistance lower than the charging battery. Low voltage, high current (since it is pretty much a short circuit), low overall watts transfered.

Though when the bike is in just the right gear, it is very easy to turn the shaft and you shoot off into the distance! Electrically, this would be an "impedance matched" scenario where the resistance of your recovery winding is the same as the charging battery. Ideal voltage, ideal current, maximum watts transfered.

Though an impedance matched circuit isn't necessarily the most electrically efficient. The most electrically efficient is considered to be the second scenario where the resistance of the "load" is higher than the "source." But by electrically efficient I mean that more energy is burnt in the load rather than the source. a superconducting coil won't generate any heat since there is no resistance so all the energy is burnt by the load.

I don't believe that's relevant when our load is a charging battery since we don't want heat. We don't want to USE any energy... we just want to TRANSFER the most energy possible from the collapsing field to the charging battery. From what I understand, this is the purpose of impedance matching.

Maybe one of our electrical engineers could explain it better

hi there
d u got over unity with your ssg???

hi there,,
did any one got overunity with ssg like john bedini claims or like he had shown in the videos of energy from the vaccum series???
also any one got a overunity redult from ssg version of imhotep by using a computer dc brushless12v fan?>?pls reply at
shubhamforme@gmail.com

So far I have seen only 3 people that have come close to OU that I am aware of. That would be Kevin, and Aaron and Dambit.

OU to me would be a self running system. Beyond that would be a system that you could harvest excess energy. No, I have not achieved this. What I have achieved is increased the capacity of used batteries. On my golf cart batteries I increased them by about 10 amp hours. On my 12 amp hour batteries I got them to 13 amp hours. Increasing the storage capacity of used batteries is a great side benefit of exploring the Bedini system.

But my real goal of doing all of this from the beginning is getting two batteries up to full amp hours from only one battery. The closest to this goal has come from using the Daftman's hybrid system of the Newman and the Bedini. All of my testing is on hold until I am done with moving to Florida. ( all of my toys are now packed up ).

I still hope to get 2 batteries charged with full amp hours from one.

I feel I should post an addendum to that old post of mine: Energy does flow into the secondary battery, but it's coming from the HV spike off the coil when the transistor is shut off. If that diode and secondary battery are missing from the circuit, that HV will go into the transistor and primary battery! Also, apparently some of that HV spills over to the primary battery anyway, but I haven't seen this effect because I run my machines from a power supply.

I still stand by my original assertion of the diode as being overlooked and it being superfluous from a conventional point of view. Like Peter Lindemann told me a while back, there is much more to these machines than meets the eye on first glance.

Well I took a couple of vacation days this week end and tried a couble rotor idea, witch failed badly and I could not figure out why. I still don't know why but the 3 coil motor I hooked up to the trigger rotor was self oscilating as I found out.

Any way what I did do this weekend was able to charge 2 batteries up to 12.56 volts from 1 battery, run the 2 down to 12 volts, charge them back up to 12.56...
I was able to charge the 2 batteries back up 3 times on 1 charge on the primary battery..

What I have not been able to do is get the batteries over 12.56 volts. This might be due to the fact that my coil windings are low and my wire size is big.

But I was extremely happy about the charge and the discharge of the 2 batteries from 1 power battery.

Yes, that's the hard part getting the battery fully charged. You are a long way from it at an 'on charge' voltage of 12.56V. Also, you start off at 12 volts with around 50% charge already in the battery.

Hoppy

Hi guys
Finally got a spool of wire and built my ssg as close to spec as I could.
quadfilar coil 22 awg wire 125ft. almost 400 winds
1 trigger
3 power
I can now push my batteries up over 14+v so have started conditioning them correctly.

My only question is
I'm down to less than 300 ohms to eliminate the self oscilation and probally 80% of the time when I hook up power it starts on it's own.

I started out around 700+ ohms with the 25ma light in the circuit also. It's nice not having to spin it up all the time but should I lower the resistance more?
It's pulling 750ma draw witch maybe low for a 3 power coil machine?

will have another spool of wire in a week or so. Already have the other parts on hand. then I can add another power coil with 4 windings.

thnaks ww

I need HELP! and confused.

I got a tri-flier wire wrapped in a single spool. First, I was using the third wire to a rectifier to a battery/capacitor. NOW, I am trying to use it as a power wire, as in a Master/Slave coil setup, whenever I hook the third wire to the circuit the AMP's Double and the motor starting getting heavy until it comes to a complete stop. When I try to reverse the wire hookup as in changing the polarity, It does not work.
The core I was using is 1/2 metal rod. I purchased some weilding rods to replace the core.

Any input/comment would be greatly appreciated.

Also, I am using the 22 gauge as the Trigger and 19 gauge as the Power. 900 turns for all.
Thanks

Hi Uusedman....

Are you using this circuit?

Are we still having fun?

Todd

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Yes, same circuit however, 1 slave.

I am always having fun with this. Had to take a break from the Rotary Attraction Motor. Want to first build a reputable Bedini before moving to the Lindemann Motor.

@wwdotme:

My setup is almost identical to your and it draws ~280mA... Try to look at impulses on the scope if you can. You should lower your resistance until you get 1 (one) impulse per cycle. Multiple impulses are not beneficial (IMHO).

ABC

Hi uusedman,

You have to adjust the trigger circuit resistor value every time you add another power wind. It's probably been said before, but you sould be aiming for around 250mA per transistor (for MJL21194 type), so that's 750mA total input current for the three.

Hope this helps,

Steve.

If the above isn't the problem

going to keep lowering my resistance (slowly).
No scope. maybe some day

taking lil steps it's running nice, charging is pretty good also.
thanks abc

@dambit. Thanks for that. How about if I'm using a 3055 npn trany. I'm planing to switch to the mj 21194 once I get the major points down. Another question at you, my coil is getting hot should I increase the resistance? Thanks
@dambit
T

How hot is the coil getting? If it's only getting up to 50 or 60C then it's not a problem. The coil(s) will get a bit hot after a while anyway from the continuous switching, but if you are worried about it you can increase the trigger resistance a little bit.

As far as the 3055 trany goes, I can't remember what my setting were. I only used three of them as they tended to burn up pretty quick. Not quite as tough as the MJL21194's. One method I used to help tune my smaller devices before I got a scope was to get a smallish 400V cap that could be charged in a few seconds. I would charge it up and while doing this measure how high I could charge it. You will notice that as you adjust the pot you can measure the approximate voltage of the spikes using the cap. I found that if I adjusted the pot for the highest voltage and then backed off just a little, the device performed great and had a good balance between speed, input current and charging rate.

Hope this helps,

Cheers,

Steve

Hi Dambit,

Back to the elementaries huh? Man.. tuning the SSG was a difficult task for me. At first i aimed for the highest rpm could give. (Note if current too much rpm downs).
Later i went on maintaining most of rpms while input was lowest. Then, quite empirically, i "balance input with charging rate on my batts.
Lastly (i have not tested thoroughly) i run the SSG and put an 1ohm resistance in the charging side.
I tune it so as to get the highest volt difference in that resistor (some 0,83volts). Lowering input results in dropped voltage across resistor while raising input above some point lowers again voltage across resistor.

Currently my SSG, has a coil of 100m with 5#22AWG & 1 24AWG all twisted.
It takes some 0,65 Amps input with the latest method of tuning at 15 volts.

I have been running it with 20 & 40volts. in efficiency terms bytheway, i have found that the lowest input voltage give better COPs.
Anyway, with persistant measurements & condiioning my COPS never go above 50%.

Question: I know the SSG desulfates etc etc. But can restore health of useless battery to be employed again in a traditional manner?

Regards,
Baroutologos

Hi Baroutologos

Your COP figure of 0.5 is in line with mine. I have got up as high as 0.6 with the SG monopole motor. The problem is people use different methods and procedures for calculating COP and this is why some claim overunity.

I have recovered many batteries that cannot be charged with a conventional DC charger but only those that do not have damaged plates / shorted cells and are not too badly sulfated.

Hoppy

I do not even think at obtaining OU in the SSG setup!
I like it, the way it spins, its simplicity and unconventional charging. No to mentioned the silent wall spinning decor in my livingroom!

By the way, I am interested in reclaiming old batteries, since a friend of mine, mechanic in profession, works in a shop that has heaps of dead batteries. I talked to him and said If i could reclaim some of them.... its business!!

Regards,
Baroutologos

By the way, i think my low cop can be attributed to poor core material.
I used, painted, welding electrodes some 2,2 mm diam. They retain some magnetism ( i checked it with a compass) after magnetetic field goes away.

I plan someday to replace my coil with extra high quality, high frequency audio core laminated one.

I also believe, COP can be raised further if you pulse-charge a 1-3 farads audio capacitor at low voltage range (lowest possible impedance). Say from 13-15 volts and mechanical dumping it to the charging batt. - I will try it also a day -.

But OU? Still a dream.
Can anyone suggest an noob-proof method for tuning the SSG?

Regards,
Baroutologos

From what I read and what I do is to put my multi meter on amps and put it is series with the source battery and adjust the pot until you get the lowest amp draw.... listen to the sound of the motor as it spins and as you adjust the pot... after a few times you can tell from the sound....

Does that help?

Have fun......

Todd

baroutologos

I've tried get ou charging a 1.5 farads audio car capacitor with SG system, and mathematically I got ou about COP 1.4 aprox, but there is a big problem, the capacitor seems loose the energy, when you tried to measure the energy of the capacitor discharging it in cotrolled way (ex: puttting a resistor), there is no that quantity of energy stored is strange then my point is :

1) Capacitor is 1.5 Farads really?, packages says 1.5 Farads.

2) Really is 1.5 Farads but a fraction of energy is loosed on charging and another fraction is loosed on discharging.


when you measured the energy stored on the cap COP is <0.8. I've tried to charger the cap using a ramp generator like Bearden recommends then mathematically I've reached COP 2 calculating the cap <20% max error on electrolytics caps then cap is 1.5 - 20% = 1.2 Farads. But again, there is no OU when you discharge the cap is incredible, you need to lauigh to cry when you believe to have a OU system on your bench but we need to be realist OU must to be presented using all the techniques avaibles.

If you know a way effective to measure the real size of my capacitor I've my ears open to ideas.

Regards.

I am in no possition to tell a capacitor's capacitance better than manufacturer Patmac!
By the way, capacitors inherently lose energy during charge and discharge cycle. (batteries also)
I have not tried yet, but at first you can forget the resistor directly on cap output and use a charge battery. This way we can calculate COP in the long run.

I have read, so theorizing a part, that caps discharged via a inductor help at lowering losses. So, pulse charge a bat via an say 2.5 mH inductor of 0.3 ohms is not bad idea. I think. i do not know. How knows anyway...

if i make that experiement i will let anyone know.

Regards,
Baroutologos

@ everyone

since we talking about capcitor in relations to OU machines. Something I never understood is using a 200V 1mf or 2mf, as opposed using a 200V 10,000 mf ? These large capacitors are used in EV gray machines, Newman machines, and Bedini machines.

In summary, why use a 200V 1 mf when you can use a 200V 10,000mf?

Thanks in advance

@usedman

I think Mr Bedini somehow has explained that. I understood that small capacitors store energy at higher oscillation frequencies (?) more efficient than large ones. Or in other words, they capture better the spikes. In any case they are series connected with the llarge capacitors for dumping their charge and keeping their voltage levels down.

Regards,
baroutologos

@dambit and tjnlsn255

I got my master and double slave circuit to work. That baby was flying. Total draw from both transistors was apx .30 when at max. I had to keep the resistance high because when i shorted one of the resistors from the base to trigger coil (680 resistor) the motor would get heavy and eventually stall. Maybe if I use a little more resistance the motor would work better.


Any explanation why it would such a thing?


I am using neodymium magnet, and I believe I read from Bedini's notes that such magnet keep the coil saturates after trigger coil has activated the power coil.

Can this a negative effect on the motor?

You know... SSG is a highly offensive name which might offend the simple school girl community.
I've tried to make the Bedini and for me its not that simple.
Especially the mechanical bits.
What a brilliant circuit though. So usable in many different ways.
If you haven't made one, time to go try.
I've charged every battery type with it...
During the nite and at strange times during the day, occasionally I would
hear a mysterious POP emanating from the room where I keep batteries.
Overcharged Alkaline batteres, while disconnected from the bedini
and just sitting there, can suddenly POP open due to the GAS
that has no place to go expanding due to temperature changes, etc.

It is absolutely clear that the battery industry INTENTIONALLY designed
these guys to "self destruct" so that you have to buy a new one.
Designed obsolescence.

Don't waste your hard earned money on any battery that is NOT rechargeable. It only rewards the "bad behavior" of designed obsolescence.

u hot charging or a standalone battery ?

u can charge the same battery that runs yr motor while not hooking up any meters, then it will be pulse charged, when using Bedini

A question and I have a video of the experiment.

After thinking of the Bedini circuit operation and it is singular pulse potenial, I thought Why not use the opposite pole since the magnetic potential has been created???

When you pulse an inductor dual polarities are established. We tend to use the NORTH pole to North facing magnets. Why not utilize the SOUTH pole to South facing magnets? Why not utilize them both?

From What I witnessed, the amount of increase of AMP's is minuet to about 5-10 MillAMPS.

This is a simple video:

YouTube - Bedini Motor 3-1

awaiting your feedback.