ok, I think I understand what you're saying... but I think you get the same effect by simply making a bigger rotor? and I could just turn my coils around so I could still use the north poles....

though your idea is interesting... having the coils on the inside of the rotor might have an effect because of the different interactions with the magnets and the coils... not sure what the effect would be though

for example if I made my three coil motor like you said and use the same number of magnets (6) then when the north of the coils is repelling the north of the magnets on the rotor, the south pole of the coil's pulse might repel the south pole of the magnet on the opposite side of the rotor thus adding torque...

I've been thinking of a way to utilise both the north and south pole of the coils using a double rotor but haven't got enough materials to build it yet!

By the way Seph.!!
You gonna have a slithly lost in you're Rpm...
I gess you don't gain something without loosing something!!!
It's just a calculations that i made looking around and piking up somes formulas that i got from internet...
I just want to get more involve in this type of technology...
My next step is gonna be to make the same circuit as your's...
Actualy i have tree projects that i work on..Maybe i most settle down and
just finish 1 at the time..
Again thanks for you're interest in my theory...

Exited to ear from you..
peper10

true, RPM would probably go down with a bigger rotor...

but we are more interested in PULSES per minute! So even if the rpm goes down you can still have the same (or more) pulses per minute by adding more magnets to a bigger rotor... you will probably have the same "PPM" as long as the magnets are spaced the same distance from eachother on any sized rotor.

in the end the energy from the rotor is not as important as the energy going into the batteries.

The motor is a bonus!

I again Seph!!
By having the same number of magnets,you gonna have the same pulses,
but,the centrifugal forces gonne be a new player to pay attention.
You can counter the centrifugal by having a lighter rotor.
Maybe change the magnets with some lighter ones,with the same forces.
By the way i like you're idea of placing another coil outside of the rotor.
I think that having a coil outside of the rotor you can recover the energy
from it and feed the hole system as a primary.

Realy like to exchange with you.
You seem pretty involve with this stuff.
At least it make me think of a way to simplyfied this stuff.

I gonna work on it tonight and make the circuit working first.

My regards..
peper10

Guys I think you are on track here, perhaps not in this thread but on to something none the less. I believe peper10's idea to utilize the other end of the electromagnet is similar to some of Johns G -Field designs. The easiest way to do something like this would be a design similar to this one.

Directory:Bedini SG:Replications:Monsieur Bonheur FluxGate - PESWiki

A central shaft could turn a pair of rotors with the coils mounted between. Heck you could gang ten rotors together and fill the gaps with coils.

If your e- magnet is pulsing and you are utilizing only one pole, then it makes sense to factor in the other end. Aaron showed a good little clip of a window coil winding with an led on the ends. When placed under an sg(?) motor coil it would light up.

I Ren!!!
I think the same way as you. Why not utylize both side of the magnets to
have a higher COP.
By using both sides of the magnets,i think we can optimise the hole setup.
Like Seph said:The point is to have more pulses of energy.The torque is a
bonus.
Since i start talking with Seph,i have maybe(30)sketches of what it look like
to have a setup like Seph with the coils sandwiched by magnets.
My goal is not to reinvented the wheel,but,THINK about building someting
pretty efficient and not loosing others adventages.
Together,we can make it possible.I compare myself with you guy's,and,i'm
just a beginner to this stuff.
But,I think you get my point there Ren!!!!!!

I realy appreciate you're comments..
peper10

Hey Guys,


I noticed something when charging my batteries up using the renassance charger, It seems that the voltage goes up and down quite a bit from say low 13ish to say as high as 18 volts. So I decided to try this with my SSG low budget setup . It just seems to me that it charges really well with a couple of short bursts of about 1.5 amps for just a minute or two and then letting the amps drop back down to around 350 milliamps for most of the time charging them up during those short bursts the chage battery would rise well above 15 volts and slowly come back down to about 13.25.
The battery seems to like this fast charge.Has anyone else come accross this affect?.


-gmeat

I again Ren!!
I'm i on the good tread here?
If not,reply to me because i'm not reading all the treads.
If so,i want more precisions about you're taughts.
I'm not pretty sure what you're thinking of.

By the way this is a pretty exiting tread.
peper10

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Ok I have been thinking along the same lines.... here is my idea

make a horse shoe magnet ( U shaped ) power coil... then on the SSG put on like hard drive neo magnets ( they are not magnetized threw the thickness)

This in theory would use both sides of the coil both North and south thus giving more push force, ( a U shapped magnet is more efficient I have read.)

So using like Flora wire one could wrap the coil around this wire, then bend it to a u shape. then test this to see if one can get this to repel with the same amount or greater force than the standard SSG.

Another idea is to use transformer plates which have the U already, and wrap by hand. then couple this idea with the Neo idea mention in the electric motor thread, one might have alot more force for the same amount of energy put in.

Speculation, but perhaps worth a shot?

Hi everyone,

I didn't film a demo today because it wasn't what was wanted to be shown.

Anyway, I'm putting a vid online.

PLEASE UNDERSTAND, I do not want anyone on a wild goose chase on something that doesn't have repeatable results, but the concept is fairly straight forward and when you see it, you'll know why.

Little more torque and less power input just by rearranging the magnet configuration. Before anyone starts to just build it like what the video will show, I would recommend waiting for anyone that has a setup that can be easily changed and tested without any hassle and if anyone does that and posts any promising results, then it might be a good idea.

The original motor that had this configuration tested was from the end of 2004 I think and has been put away since.

I'm not making any claims as to what it will do for anyone else, just what Kevin's motor demonstrated. That way if anyone else doesn't see improvement, please don't say I didn't warn you. LOL

I also do not know how much of the improvement came from the magnet configuration and how much was from one other modification that I will show soon.

Actually, I'll show 2 variations of the other modification and I believe both can be used. I have used each one separately.

Bedini SG Advanced Superpole Configuration

This is the full description I posted along with the video:

"This was tested on one motor to show stronger torque with less input. I would NOT suggest you build yours like this but try it if you have the normal super pole configuration and can easily rotate them 90 degrees without much work. If you do not, you might want to wait to see other's results to see if it is easy to duplicate the results. There is one more enhancement that is not shown in this video and we may release it soon at EnergeticForum.com"

From this idea, you may find something even better and if so, please post your results here.

Yes it could do the job pretty nicely.
I was sketching my wheel to spread over the coils and having the best
impulse from the coil.
And then, i was wondering about recapture the other side(outward)of the
magnet.
So,onmy next sketch you can see the other coil place outside the rotor.
This way,with the same magnet and the same coil you have an optimised
coil(outside)because you have the magnet effect and the coil pushing
outward to the other coil.

Thanks for your attention.
peper10[ATTACH]Attachment 383[/ATTACH]

I like the concept Peper10! Nice to see new ideas!

Peper there are two things here that you and I are discussing. One is utilizing both sides of the electromagnet (coil) with twin rotary devices, the other is utilizing both sides of the magnet (a coil on either side of the rotary device). I'm not sure which one you are reffering to, both can be utilized. I think you should check out the diagrams on this page, particulary the adams motor configs on page 4.

http://www.panaceauniversity.org/Chapter2.pdf

There are so many configurations to test!

@ Gmeat. I have noticed better charging rates at higher amp draws too. However I think that each setup has an optimum efficiency draw. I guess theres a stage where you are pushing too much current into the charge battery.

[ATTACH]Attachment 385[/ATTACH]Thanks Aaron!!!
I was not discredit you and the other concept(double stack magnets).
I just want to explore another way to extract more from an already exellent
concept.
Maybe i'll faild. But i know that curiosity lead to discovery.
Maybe i'll face a difficulty,maybe i'll discover something new(possibly not
efficient),but,i just want to give it a try.
By the way,i saw your vid on you tube and it's pretty interesting!!!!
I put some new immages about my sketch because they were not clear
enough..

Talk to you later...
peper10

peper you may also be interested in the design of this motor.

GEMINI ELECTRIC MOTOR

@ Aaron, cant wait to see the vid and perhaps learn more about the other mods! Im stuck at work and youtube is blocked! Doh!

I ren!!!
You got my point there ...
I want to used the BOTH of them.
I made some test tonight having both side of the magnet surrounding the coil
and it make a BIG difference for the output voltage.
I test then the pulling force and i come with decent results.
i gonna push the testing ferther to see if monted on a rotor, i can produce
more voltage..By now i just make my test without having the circuit done.
Talk to you later.......
peper10

BY the way Ren!!!!!!
I saw your page and it seam to be near of what i want to use.
But you saw the principal of my idea,and ,iwant to apply it to the sg circuit.
The same srtup as Sephiroth,but the rotor gonna surround the coils..
I think you get a betther idea of what it is gonna look like..

Talk to you later.
peper10

since we are comparing desing ideas I had here is what I had in mid for a double rotor... doublerotor.jpg



I found that alot of energy can be captured with a window coil placed behind the coils as well so I thought I might place recovery coils on the outside of the rotors...

definatly will be my next build when I have the time and cash! lol

just saw your vid aaron! looks really interesting! I will try that tonight! will let you know the results!

Hi

I totally agree that this configuration seems to produce more energy, because much better turn off of the coils, and the much sharper and narrower turn on of the coil, and the much stronger attraction to the real south, instead of the scalar south.

But, what about the neo magnets? Neo magnets should work better and produce more torque. The problem with the neo magnets in the monopole was the fact that they were too strong for triggering the transistor and, turning the transistor on and off, was not very good. But in this configuration I suppose that they should work well. Just I don't know if we can glue them on the same sides, because they are so strong!

Aaron, just can't wait to hear about the other modifications.

What I am seeing is that, this Bedini machine is going to transform onto a power plant!

Elias

Thank you Aaron!
I will test this in out because I can rearrange the magnets easily. A great concept. I waited long time for Kevin to release this info.

BTW, the other modification could be the ground wire with a diode connected to the charging battery + terminal, so that no current can flow from the + terminal to ground, but some of the aether or radiant can be pulled from the ground with each coil pulse
But I am eager to know if there is something else?

I am thinking about the neos...

Could not one simply put a reed switch on the trigger coil and use that to trigger the transistor? Then you could move it back father so it would trigger only at a certain time. I see that someone on Youtube has done this.


Last night I made a coil that is in a U shaped I then attempted to use it with a wheel as a pulse motor to use both north and south poles. Got too sleepy to really test it out

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theremart - yeah, I think i have seen ktservicescorp seems to prefer the reed switch. Could be good since it is quite common for mechanical switching to be superior to semiconductors when dealing with radiant... perhaps it is a faster on off time or just better conduction?

But i thought the main problem with the neos is that they permanently magnetise the core?

nice coil! good luck with it!

hi everyone,

an interesting video. I do have some points I want to place here. JB has said we want a radiant harvester, not an electron pusher. that is why on the BM3 yahoo forum, they recommend lowest current draw for highest RPM. in fact the test they use is by placing a 1ohm 1/2 watt resistor in place of the charge battery, running the sg and making sure it is tuned so the resistor does NOT heat up. no current flowing! the higher your current draw, the less radiant you will be harvesting. the magnet is just a switch. the scalar north configuration provides a sharper gradiant, therefore a sharper switch. Rick Friedrich has built a self runner SG using north south alternating magnets already. if you look at John Bedinis website, you will see the diagrams of the scalar south, just as drawn in the video, with the caveate of the south going all the way to the center of the rotor. . it is in the center of the rotor go here Welcome to John Bedini not at all trying to diminish kevins work. what I am after is a sg that draws low current, at high rpm. my current unit only draws .5 amps, with 8 power coils! with that being said, I am going to build a rotor as described, and I will post my results here, testing will take some time.

I have always thought neos work fine as long as the gap is wide enough.

THEREMARTyou are the man!!!!
That just what i needed for my setup!!!
Coil arrange like that gonna save me a lot of trouble.
I can put 3 coils like you're arrange like seph and spread them to have the
magnets pass inbetwen the coils.

Thanks for sharing that!!!!
peper10

You must be using the PATHS intuitive module!

That is the other modification. I have had unpredictable results with it as it seems to do its own think on its own rhythm. This is what Kevin was using in conjunction with his entire setup and of course with the magnet configuration.

There IS something else that I want to point out but I'm going to do it in a way as to challenge people to look at Bedini's schematics. We should start a new thread for ground rod applications with the SG and possibly the attraction motors, which I have no idea what the combination will do. Anyway, to keep this thread focus on the overall SG. Maybe someone can get a magnet configuration thread started.

You can use the reed switch. I just see the regular circuit as a perfect self timing circuit that demonstrates a type of self ordering in my opinion. Maybe with the reed switch triggering a little early, it is possible to overcome the problem when magnet spacing is too slow and it keeps the rpm down. I've only played with reed switches on pendulums.

Hi Stonewater, if you look at even the basic magnet configuration of a simple roller skate rotor SG with magnets north facing out every 90 degrees, 120 degrees, etc... they have actually ALWAYS been NORTH/SOUTH alternating...the south is a virtual south squeezing out between the north faces.

All the alternating north south magnets did is give each field equal strength as real fields. What I believe is left out in the "self runner" concept of charging the input battery with any kind of output is that it will eventually destroy the battery. I have been able to take direct output from the system and put it to the input and have the battery voltage climb as you see in that demo and it causes a fluffy voltage charge. Let's see that motor run for a whole week non-stop The battery likes to power or be charged but not both at the same time.

Like I said I didn't want anyone on a wild goose chase with this magnet configuration but if it is easy enough to do for you then great. There are a lot of people who already have the magnets glued together and plenty of people who simply have them taped around a rotor, which would be easy enough to rotate 90 degrees for the cost of a little time and tape or whatever.

This is my highest rpm version. As long as the coils are small enough to fully charge and discharge at a fast speed before the next magnet comes, you can get really high rpm. YouTube - John Bedini SG - 5000rpm draws 1amp, 10,000rpm draws 200ma this one is 10,000 rpm and it isn't tuned very good.

Sounds like you have a great setup!