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Old 02-26-2009, 07:41 AM
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according to Bedini (and he seems to be right?) the capacitor kills the radiant.

No.

The capacitor converts the radiant.

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Some thing else to try to get more light or power.
If you have two JT's circuits connect the two collectors togeather.

Allso you can make a rectifier out of led's.
That way you can have light and still charge of the AC side of your coil.
Actually i doubt it. I o-scoped mine and found following:

The secondary has one single large unipolar pulse -no swing
That pulse would light only half of the FWBR, at leas only one half decently.
And the other half - not so brightly lit - would only increase the drain from the source (our powering cell)

But we should see?

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I would allso put a rectifier across the emitter and collector of the 2n2222 and the 2n3055 for charging other caps or batterys.
You drain too much, and the consumption will increase, draw to little and it won't get the receiving battery up on time...

IMHO

all matter of overdone (fiddling?) tunning.
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The capacitor converts the radiant.

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Yes,

RE comes in and is no more -> becomes 'normal' with about ~130%

should express it more precisely...
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I took the big 2" toroid coil and put it in my 'inverted joule thief' circuit. It worked great! Then I took the 555 timer circuit I had and used it to pulse that circuit. That really worked great!!! It lit up a 24" flourescent tube to full brightness on 8 volts and .75 amps. The best part was that things didn't get hot and it even charged on the back end.
Here is the video:

YouTube - Pulsed Inverted Joule Thief

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but it's 8 Volts, it's not 1.2V anymore?

And it's 0.75 A

6W?

Even el-cheapo china made gadgets shoot thus far?

"bang-for-bucks" ratio?

Am I killing off the fun here?
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No.

The capacitor converts the radiant.

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Ren is right.. The capacitor doesn't KILL the radiant, it stores the charge of the HV potential and converts it to current. When we cap pulse a battery we are hitting it with normal electricity. So it will be charged with Positive Energy.

Bedini uses this technique when the radiant is not enough on its own to charge the battery. But if we can we want to create as much radiant as we can (lots of HV pulses) and put it straight into the battery. This will cause a negative charge on the battery.

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Old 02-26-2009, 11:47 AM
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Success Charging Large Batteries!

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Ive been doing some testing on my JT circuit and Im having some success charging large batteries (7.2Ah) that I wanted to share!

I had a 12V battery that has been sitting in the shed for six months that was pretty much dead (it was sitting on 5v). It wouldnt power anything. Now it has been fully recovered by the negative charge and will now accept the charge of a standard 1Amp battery charger!

Ive been charging and experimenting with it periodically for the past week. Initially I was charging it with a bridge rectifier off the C & E of the 2n3055, but now ive gone Bedini charging style, with a diode off the coil.


When i first hooked it up, the voltage across charging battery showed very high (40v) and quickly dropped as it charged and impediance increased. (freaked me out a bit, but its normal )

Heres the vid I shot earlier in the week (was using the bridge in this vid):
YouTube - Joule Thief Charger Recovers Dead Battery 04

Ive found the Bedini style charging seems to be better and Im noticing that by changing he resistance in the circuit u can charge to a higher max voltage.
I remeber Bedini talking about matching the impediance of the machine to the battery.
A lower resistance charging seems to be higher but u pay more in amp draw.

At 1K ive managed to get amp draw under 700mA

Anyway here's the results of my latest test, check out the graph ive attached:

Time----Run Battery----Charge Battery
0--------12.07--------------11.04 Sitting Voltage
5--------11.87--------------11.91 Start
10-------11.85--------------11.9
25-------11.82--------------11.92
27-------11.80--------------11.93
34-------11.79--------------11.93
37-------11.77--------------11.94
45-------11.75--------------11.94
48-------11.74--------------11.94
55-------11.72--------------11.95
150------11.53--------------11.98
175------11.43--------------12 Stop
235------11.74--------------11.6 Voltage Test 1 hour later



In the graph the Red line is the charge battery, the Blue is the run.

Charge Battery rose 0.56V
Run Battery dropped 0.33V

It seems we got more volts out than we put in, plus a lot of heat and noise was created in the circuit. Promising results for OU so far! will have to do proper load tests..

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but it's 8 Volts, it's not 1.2V anymore?

And it's 0.75 A

6W?

Even el-cheapo china made gadgets shoot thus far?

"bang-for-bucks" ratio?

Am I killing off the fun here?
I guess if you haven't been with this project for very long it does seem like we are not getting anywhere here. These circuits that we are working on are radiant energy chargers not just light producers. Wal Mart does not sell these--not yet. When I said that the light circuit was drawing .75 amps at 8 volts that does not consider the lumens of light being produced nor the amount of energy being recovered at the charge battery.
When I started this project over as year ago with the " Imhotep Radiant Oscillator Lite" we were drawing 3 amps at 12volt to get the amount of light that I showed in the video. That was OK because Peter Lindemann and Imhotep had set up an energy recovery circuit on the back end. Alot of people have worked hard to get us to the point where we are today. These aren't like "el cheapo China made gadgets" but I guess to some that is what they look like. I wonder what they will cost when they hit the Wal Mart shelf.

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Ok.... want to move to a larger JT

I have built a small JT, and now want to move up to a larger one. I tried to just copy the circuit as before but my first transistor blew but I wanted to try slayer's circuit. I don't understand the -A -B -C +A +B +C in the section i have circled in red below. It appears to be the coil, are you using a trifilar coil?

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I have built a small JT, and now want to move up to a larger one. I tried to just copy the circuit as before but my first transistor blew but I wanted to try slayer's circuit. I don't understand the -A -B -C +A +B +C in the section i have circled in red below. It appears to be the coil, are you using a trifilar coil?

Thanks!

The +A & +B are the begining of the coil the -A & -B are the end of the coil.

It is a trifilar coil and +C & -C are the pickup coil or winding.

I would suggest using a ferrite rod for the core.
I think you would get a lot better results with a ferrite core than I did with an iron core.
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Thanks Slayer!

Guys,

I want to let you know of a cheap spot for 2n3055 transistors.

Transistor To-3 100v 15A 115w BEC | Distributed By MCM | 2N3055

They are 90 cents each get over 10, and they are 80 cents each shipping was like $10.00 but still was a great deal on Toshiba 2n3055 transistors.

I have been using them in my Solid state setup and they are working great.

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Hi Slayer007 thanks for that interesting circuit that you've made.
Is it possible that it can be done self-running with caps or other schematic?
It would be a great achievement.
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Hi Slayer007 thanks for that interesting circuit that you've made.
Is it possible that it can be done self-running with caps or other schematic?
It would be a great achievement.
Thanks

Thanks Guruji

Maybe some day if we all keep trying differant things with it.

I have a super cap comming from ebay 2.5v 10 farad.
I'd like to see how fast that will charge off the circuit them see how long it will run the circuit.
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Large JT now working.

Duh I made a rookie mistake I had my trigger coil swapped around so it would not trigger, swapped that around and is running awesome now! I really like the way this is charging so far.

I have noticed putting a neo around the coil bumps up the frequency very high so really hits target battery with alot of juice. I am trying this with nicad batteries, and it seems to love them. This appears to be just the ticket for my solar cell setup....

Thanks Slayer007 for all your help and posting the circuit!!!!
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Duh I made a rookie mistake I had my trigger coil swapped around so it would not trigger, swapped that around and is running awesome now! I really like the way this is charging so far.

I have noticed putting a neo around the coil bumps up the frequency very high so really hits target battery with alot of juice. I am trying this with nicad batteries, and it seems to love them. This appears to be just the ticket for my solar cell setup....

Thanks Slayer007 for all your help and posting the circuit!!!!
No problem theremart

Great its working for you.
What did you use for your core?
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Great its working for you.
What did you use for your core?
My favorite core is ferrite beads. You can add and take away to make the unit run optimally

Medium Toroidal Ferrite Core (Pkg of 5)-The Electronic Goldmine

5 for a dollar is a great deal....
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I guess if you haven't been with this project for very long it does seem like we are not getting anywhere here. These circuits that we are working on are radiant energy chargers not just light producers. Wal Mart does not sell these--not yet.
You are getting somewhere - no doubt on that. IMHO

OTOH:
It's wise to visit wallmart all often: You would be surprised what wallmart might already been selling :

There are those "plastic clip" cell phone cells rejuvenators around here for RSD100 (EUR 1 ? or less)

Put a cell that won't anymore and as long as You charge it with it, it gives juice back ;-)

Is it called 'trickle' or 'pulse' charger?

It has a single "13001" transistor ad gives the battery square pulses (sharp gradients)

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When I said that the light circuit was drawing .75 amps at 8 volts that does not consider the lumens of light being produced nor the amount of energy being recovered at the charge battery.
Have You lately used a 'car light stick' with a neon tube?
"Bang4buck" factor?
If we want progress, we should be 'in front of' something?

Don't take this as "we are wrong", please :-). I want just to point out there is A LOT of road ahead, we are not even near - we are closer to beginning here than we might be aware of?

That's mine point here only.

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When I started this project over as year ago with the " Imhotep Radiant Oscillator Lite" we were drawing 3 amps at 12volt to get the amount of light that I showed in the video. That was OK because Peter Lindemann and Imhotep had set up an energy recovery circuit on the back end. Alot of people have worked hard to get us to the point where we are today. These aren't like "el cheapo China made gadgets" but I guess to some that is what they look like. I wonder what they will cost when they hit the Wal Mart shelf.

Lidmotor
We should rather be careful there:
In China there is a whole lot of people, many very talented no doubt. just having a different capitalism-model doesn't necessarily make them incompetent in RE research.
IMHO.
OTOH, as most of it (RE research) is open on the internet (mostly), they (some of them at least) might already been contributing and following just a footstep behind.

Taking in account Bedini is there (public) from the dawning of the 'www', where does that put them In Your Opinion (IYO)?

I "see" the little battery clip charger as a early (flawed) RE device
YMMV

AND

We shall pace up...
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I guess if you haven't been with this project for very long it does seem like we are not getting anywhere here. These circuits that we are working on are radiant energy chargers not just light producers. Wal Mart does not sell these--not yet. When I said that the light circuit was drawing .75 amps at 8 volts that does not consider the lumens of light being produced nor the amount of energy being recovered at the charge battery.
When I started this project over as year ago with the " Imhotep Radiant Oscillator Lite" we were drawing 3 amps at 12volt to get the amount of light that I showed in the video. That was OK because Peter Lindemann and Imhotep had set up an energy recovery circuit on the back end. Alot of people have worked hard to get us to the point where we are today. These aren't like "el cheapo China made gadgets" but I guess to some that is what they look like. I wonder what they will cost when they hit the Wal Mart shelf.

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Lidmotor, I'm so happy you went back to the Inverted Joule Thief. I have seen your last video. Great work.. I have replicated your work and Slayer007. Can you please post the 555 timer circuit, and a parts list for your Inverted Joule Thief.
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Man, you might mean well with what you say here, but it can be really misunderstood.
Lidmotor and Slayer007 and Kubikop are in the pole position when it comes down
to actually realizing efficient new circuits.

By calling for
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you guys suck IMO.

That then understandably makes those guys ask themselves what YOU have to
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Reading your posts, i am certain that you are a smart guy and can actually come up with JT-related circuits too. Your reflections on wire gauge modifications might be a way to go for you. Feel like trying it? Just wanna motivate you. Then share it here.
And then we all will be ahead.
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Man, you might mean well with what you say here, but it can be really misunderstood.
Lidmotor and Slayer007 and Kubikop are in the pole position when it comes down
to actually realizing efficient new circuits.

By calling for it is like saying
you guys suck IMO.
Yikes! You are right, it could sound so!!

I wouldn't say or imply that! The opposite:
I expect us to pace up as new and new people get involved and I expect the sharing continue in the spirit of the pioneers of this field

so:
"PACE UP, NEWBIES CONTRIBUTE FREELY"
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contribute to the ?

Reading your posts, i am certain that you are a smart guy and can actually come up with JT-related circuits too. Your reflections on wire gauge modifications might be a way to go for you. Feel like trying it? Just wanna motivate you. Then share it here.
And then we all will be ahead.
Good vibes.
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In the first place i have to admit:

I did expect a bit more 'exotism' in the JT, in reality I found only what I already knew from SSG and the Yahoo groups...

That was a bit of a disappointment, but I carried on..

Then I found that off the BJT collector to the "Vcc" was more harvest than from the E-C source?

I realized again that JB packs more under his belt than is obvious...

But there is still hope:

Are we using right type of cell to supply our JTs?

Should be better use alkaline cells (EARTH batteries?)? 1.5V

Or L.A.B.s? 2V

If we harvest from E-C we have the powering battery in the RE path too, the question is: is it stolen from or replenished by the remaining RE pulse not gone trough the diode to the receiving load (battery)?

my humble apologies to all felling hit by my post(s)
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Joule Thief and Grow lights

I have been thinking about this for awile, I got lots of friends who grow plants and they use Metal-Halide and High-pressure sodium lamps it consumes quite alot of power because as some may know somelights are 1000watts!! but yeah i was wondering if it could be done and how much watts would it use.. would love to see a video on it :P kk well tell me what you think of my idea it was just a thougth so many people use thouse lights and spend alot on power bills ..
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Hehe, what you are describing there, we are all dreaming of achieving that.
It would get you off the grid.
At the moment what these JT circuits are very well capable of is creating high voltage but with comparatively small currents. High voltage alone is sufficient to run CFLs, but everything that has to do with heat dissipation and high wattage (lets say 10W and higher) has the current factor included (P=V*I), which the JT circuit as it is cannot deliver (yet). I think a huge JT with a massive transformer might be able to give more current or sequential small-JT-chain approaches like ISTs on the overunity-thread. Some folks will probably come up with a solution to this very soon, the creative energies are big here
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Here's a short video of the joule thief running off a 1.5V battery.
It has a piece of aluminum foil around it one turn.
It will light up a 90v neon tutching the foil and holding one side for a ground.
With a rectifier attached to the foil and the other end going to an earth ground it will put out allmost 6v rectified.

YouTube - Joule Thief With One turn of aluminum foil
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Pulsed Inverted Joule Thief---circuit diagram

@ Slayer --What you are getting off the toroid is kinda what I am getting with the Peltier module I think---Induction energy between the Earth and the coil. This is good stuff.

@lookingin---Here is the circuit diagram of the "Pulsed Inverted Joule Thief" that I put together with some of the things we have learned so far. Here also is a video that I made last night of the charging part of the circuit that I have been working on.

YouTube - Pulsed Inverted Joule Thief Part 2

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Nice video Lidmotor.

The amp draw looded very good for the light you was getting.
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Nice video Lidmotor.

The amp draw looded very good for the light you was getting.
Yes. It puts out really good light depending on how much power you feed it. The voltage regulator helps alot in the adjustments to find out what it likes best. Here is a picture of the circuit.

P.S.-----CHANGE ON THE CIRCUIT---The .047pf caps should read .0047uf.
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Thanks for posting your circuit Lidmotor.
That definitely looks like a must build.

Heres a little video I thought was neat.
Lighting a neon and LED wireless off the JT.

Just setting a neon by the JT it will light then I can light LED's off the neon.

YouTube - Joule Thief Lighting Neon & LED WireLess
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Joule thief powered dc generator

Thanks Lidmotor and Slayer for your OPEN SOURCE sharing work
I'm sure you will tell us everything the day you find a way to get 1kw of free power for 10 days ... it's what we are all looking for so far.

It can change this world, and improve life of millions people, so it should be FREE knowledge.

Anyway after watching your great videos, I found this one where the Joule Thief is used to produce mechanical power = very interesting !
YouTube - Joule thief powered dc generator

Thanks again for your generosity and selfless attitude, that the way to win a good place in the afterlife !
Good luck,
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@stephenafreter : Thanks for sharing the link.

jonnydavro is certainly going into the right direction.
I hope he will one day get something running directly from the generator to see if that way higher power/work can be obtained from the JT circuit.
As of now he is only storing it in caps, but that is of course only his first experiments to proove his concept, really interested to see where he is getting with this. For sure Joule thiefs with their efficiency make an excellent DC generator driver.
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Here's a short video of the joule thief running off a 1.5V battery.
It has a piece of aluminum foil around it one turn.
It will light up a 90v neon tutching the foil and holding one side for a ground.
With a rectifier attached to the foil and the other end going to an earth ground it will put out allmost 6v rectified.

YouTube - Joule Thief With One turn of aluminum foil
@Slayer-----I tried your idea of using a loop of aluminum foil around the toroid coil to pick up energy and it worked. I don't have as many windings on my secondary as you do so it put out less and the bridge rectifier/earth ground was only a couple volts so I didn't show it in the video. In the video I switched the circuit to a 13 watt (60 watt equivilent) CFL instead of the 24" x 20 watt flourescent tube. This produced very bright light and worked better with the charging part of the system.

YouTube - Pulsed Inverted Joule Thief Small bulb Big light

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WOW..Very Nice Lidmotor.

Very bright light I like that.
Did you notice when the foil tutches togeather it will about kill the JT or at least slow it down to nothing.

I thought that was strange.A small gap wouldnt affect it but as soon as both ends tutch it slows it down to nothing.
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