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1938 Aerial Photographs

Hi All,

Here is some 1938 aerial photographs of Tesla's Wardenclyffe Laboratory from the U.S. Dept of Agriculture I found that is really good for those "Urban Explorers" that want usable dated accurate information. As you can see the 200 acre lot, dirt roads everywhere including 25A in front of Tesla's laboratory and the railroad station of course the transmission tower is missing ....





The other site I have posted about earlier in this thread is the "Telefunken" Sayville area another very important place Tesla worked at and is a restricted area today. The site towers are visible, roads and building locations ....





Ill be posting more of the Long Island, New York areas that are in this thread as soon as I can decipher the grid maps and geographical markers from 70 years ago

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Hi All,
I have found additional information on the secret military base that was on Gardiner's Island through aerial photographs from "Google Earth" and also -

Microsoft Live Maps
1938 Aerial Photographs of Suffolk County, N.Y.

The information that has already been posted on Gardiner Island that has been found is -
1) Airport with two runways
2) Lookout Tower Building with bunker
3) Mansion with bunker
4) Underwater power source cable crossing from main land Long Island 2.5 miles
5) Power House near historic Windmill
6) "TWO" 600 foot heavy duty docks ( one more additionally found )
7) Restricted air space lifted June 29,1995 by U. S. Navy because it has determined that this restricted airspace area is no longer necessary to support Department of Defense missions.

RED DOT - 600 foot long heavy duty dock


RED DOT - 600 foot long dock
YELLOW DOT - Mansion with bunker
BLUE DOT - Lookout Tower Building with bunker


RED DOT - 600 foot long dock ( 41 5' 30.63"N, 72 7' 03.98"W )
GREEN DOT - Power house near historic Windmill


RED DOT - 600 foot long dock ( 41 05' 29.64"N, 72 08' 19.06"W )


The power supply end located on Long Island is really near "Camp Fireplace" originally a US Navy military base which today is a "Girls Summer Camp" with some ruins remaining.

RED DOT - 600 foot long dock ( 41 03' 07.71"N, 72 09' 19.31"W )
PINK DOT - Camp Fireplace




1938 Aerial photographs from the U.S. Dept of Agriculture notice the buildings and roads but at this time no dock is visible ....




As you can see the direct links from the main land of Long Island to Gardiner's Island the only record of any use by the military is what you see from these photos. The big question is what could the US military do on a privately owned Island that the military has full control of from about 1929 for years and theres no record of it.

Any Guesses ??

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The big question is what could the US military do on a privately owned Island that the military has full control of from about 1929 for years and theres no record of it.

Any Guesses ??
Well, let's see ...... maybe they were looking for Captain Kidd's buried treasure? All kidding aside (pun intended) though, this probably would have been an ideal site to carry out the so-called "Philadelphia Experiment," as you have suggested. What was done there afterwards, though, is wide open to speculation and not likely to be revealed in our lifetimes, if ever. Whatever it was, they definitely wanted their operations to be away from prying eyes. I wonder how the Navy would explain the 600 foot docks if you were to make an inquiry? I also wonder why the docks don't show up in Google Earth images?

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Well, let's see ...... maybe they were looking for Captain Kidd's buried treasure? All kidding aside (pun intended) though, this probably would have been an ideal site to carry out the so-called "Philadelphia Experiment," as you have suggested. What was done there afterwards, though, is wide open to speculation and not likely to be revealed in our lifetimes, if ever. Whatever it was, they definitely wanted their operations to be away from prying eyes. I wonder how the Navy would explain the 600 foot docks if you were to make an inquiry? I also wonder why the docks don't show up in Google Earth images?

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Hi Rick,

This place is a strange area of interest, it appears that there was a lot going on here we don't know as you say, to put the 600 foot long docks in is quite a task, but to remove them under low tide levels as not to see them is something else again. The US government is like a magician making you look at the hand you see something happening in but with the other hand they take your watch, keep things in the open and spread dis-information around covering the tracks to what really was going on ..... Montauk and Gardiner Island could have been one of those.

It's quite a contrast to look at Russia and see things that the USA would never leave around like on Long island, most everything has been removed areas turned into private marinas, country clubs, hotels, mansions, girls camps and the State Parks the best cover of all.

The comment you made about asking the Navy about the docks is a great idea and I will write them a letter and see what happens , a request like that could have a interesting outcome with the details I have found to see them try to explain it away.

The one dock on the NW corner of Gardiner's Island that I just found is visible on "Google Earth" surprisingly enough ..... barely though at 41 05' 29.64"N, 72 08' 19.06"W should put you right on top of the image. I don't know why there is such a difference in the "aerial" satellite images other than maybe time of year the angle of the sun time of day or just the tidal level it is a good question although. The 1938 images have been a tremendous help and some photographs are really clear it's just the order in which they were taken and what direction is confusing at times, the Montauk area is a good example ..... I'm working on that now and have found a area of buildings that are gone now and a large crater is in it's place like a explosion ??

The last thing I saw looking at what I just posted is the "Girls Camp" in the 1938 aerial photographs if you rotate the building complex that is near the beach ..... rotating and looking in from Long Island sound the two buildings appear to be shaped as a Greek "OMEGA" and a Roman numeral "ONE" ( Omega One ) this can be verified by going to 1938 Aerial Photographs of Suffolk County, N.Y. to the "Gardiners Island West" image #4-90 (.sid file). This would be really weird being I found the "OMEGA" building on Baltra Island the ground reference building near the Equator ....

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Things have changed...
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Some of the locations we have discussed here. Tuckerton, NJ. Montauk, NY. New Brunswick NJ. Were chosen years ago not by satellite views but by geophysical charactaristic. Vertical hights and line of sight vectoring as well as availabilty at the time for horizontal transmission or vector transmission of pulse energy. These were added value locations for Tesla and seekers of places to site plan.
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Having some experience in military operations here it seems the thread may be running amok with some imaginings here on old time moorings and historical docking facilities...
Certainly things have changed in many ways in neary 100 years of nautical stearage and landings. The age of sail has passed and who knows what is next. To think that these early docks were anything but places for delivering ammo and fuel is rediculous.
Not to take anything away from the genius of early masters of electricity lets not fantacise regarding what was then and now...

The task ahead is to take the knowledge we have and discover what is now. To forge ahead and solve current problems.

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Some of the locations we have discussed here. Tuckerton, NJ. Montauk, NY. New Brunswick NJ. Were chosen years ago not by satellite views but by geophysical charactaristic. Vertical hights and line of sight vectoring as well as availabilty at the time for horizontal transmission or vector transmission of pulse energy. These were added value locations for Tesla and seekers of places to site plan.
Docks
Having some experience in military operations here it seems the thread may be running amok with some imaginings here on old time moorings and historical docking facilities...
Certainly things have changed in many ways in neary 100 years of nautical stearage and landings. The age of sail has passed and who knows what is next. To think that these early docks were anything but places for delivering ammo and fuel is rediculous.
Not to take anything away from the genius of early masters of electricity lets not fantacise regarding what was then and now...

The task ahead is to take the knowledge we have and discover what is now. To forge ahead and solve current problems.

There is no secret buried with these old men. It is up to you to find the answers
Hey wpage,

The reason on some of the locations I have been discussing here they are in direct relationship to the one hundred and twenty "Wye" (Y) connected circular arks per phase A - B - C for a total of 360 connected circular arks within a 5x5 or 10 mile wide centered magnetical flux line and the connection between them in conjunction with the equator at one degree increments. This is in reference to the "Omega" copper top building on Baltra Island ( 00 28' 2.50"S, 90 17' 1.71"W ) is being used as a ground reference with a "Google Earth" blue reference square by Google using the Geographic Web Tab is located on the equator at W90 30' and building orientated accordingly at the proper angle to intersect the blue square.

"Google Earth" KMZ file download World "Y" Magnet Flux Lines Points

As for the 70 year old docks I understand what your saying but .... I didn't go into the eight other 600 foot long docks found that seven are within 500 - 1000 feet of a railroad track or roads for delivering ammo and fuel .....

41 02' 31.67"N, 71 51' 56.23"W Fort Pond Bay
41 02' 28.44"N, 71 58' 07.34"W "
41 02' 31.98"N, 71 58' 28.98"W "
41 02' 21.80"N, 72 00' 05.90"W Napeague Bay
41 01' 51.74"N, 72 00' 39.36"W "
41 01' 43.12"N, 72 00' 50.31"W "
41 01' 20.40"N, 72 01' 24.90"W "
40 59' 49.07"N, 72 06' 41.71"W

Using "Google Earth" ( latitude and longitude ) visible with
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These docks I can understand nothing special ...... it's the privately 1929 bankrupted owned of "Gardiner Island" with two of the exact same 600 foot long docks and the main land power supply from Long Island two and a half (2.5) miles under water ..... other posted items ..... for what ? This is unusual and there are several items unexplained that Nikola Tesla was involved in like radar, submarine communication and Philadelphia Experiment during this time possibility that this may be one of the locations, I don't know but to bury it just can't, to may weird facts . But to say this is a place to deliver ammo and fuel respectfully I can't agree with, not here ..... anywhere but "Gardiner Island".

The last thing is I'm trying to get a hold of a vacuum machine to make the Nikola Tesla's patent #454,622 Fig. 3 "Tube" to replicate the "black box" used to power the 1932 Pierce Arrow. The machine I want is over $4,000.00 US and will take some time for me to get it for my "glass blower" son and son in law to make it and some other items, unless there is someone out there that knows a better or cheaper way to make vacuum tubes.

Best Regards,
Glen

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I see it now in Google Earth - barely visible, and still can't make out the one at Home Pond area. Probably a combination of factors creating poor penetration visibility - pollution, algae, seaweed, and whatever. The sea coloration is much lighter in the Microsoft maps too, and that gives a better contrast for the dock to stand out somewhat.
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Part-2 Fort Hero - Montauk - Long Island, NY

Well I covered last half of Camp Hero from 1942 until today
Post #153 , the first half of the transition from Fort Hero before 1941 is new information.

In several other postings I talked about Nikola Tesla's involvement with Telefunken Post #102 and with a 1921 photograph at the Marconi transmitter in New Brunswick, NJ to be "RCA" a General Electric subsidiary ran by David Sarnoff and in Jan 1930 the President and CEO of the newly formed "RCA" company. Post #111

The photographs I am posting again for the aerial images are from the U.S. Dept of Agriculture in 1938 1938 Aerial Photographs of Suffolk County, N.Y. Montauk Point map # 2-87 "NORTH POINTING DOWN" ( kept orientation the same ), top facility is a Coast Guard Station (Atlantic Ocean), center facility Fort Hero (Long Island tip), bottom possible Navy station. There is no 1943 Camp Hero complexes in the center Montaulk area high ground where the now standing AN-FPS-35 radar tower is built in 1960.

Red Dots - Fill Area
Yellow Dot - Navy Facility ?
Green Dot - Bunker Area
Purple Dots - Antenna System ? ( follows road both sides for miles )
(close up)


Now the "Google Earth" view "NORTH POINTING DOWN" the sand rock dirt fill area is quite large so the Montaulk bunker complex is much larger than just for four 16" gun emplacements and several other smaller ones, many bunker areas must be several stories deep with connecting tunnels between them. The complex at the bottom is gone as in a crater possibly blown up.



Now this is part speculation but during the transition from Fort Hero 1941 and Camp Hero 1942 and beyond was the attack on "Pearl Harbor" the information that transpired is well documented and a movie made called "Tora! Tora! Tora!" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tora!_Tora!_Tora! some interesting facts came to light with transmissions from the Japanese, the American intelligence notes that the final message instructs the Japanese Ambassador to destroy their code machines after they decode the last of the 14 messages, an ominous point that was to be transmitted to Hawaii on a possible pending attack this was the responsibility of the ARMY to use there "Marconi Based" equipment to transmit the information. The Army had "Atmospheric" conditions that made it unable to send the message by wireless and instead of using the Navy "Telefunken Based" equipment [quote] "do you think there atmospheric conditions are any better" [End Quote] the Army sent the message coded by teletype machine ...... arriving late.

Now Sarnoff became president of RCA on January 3, 1930, succeeding General James Harbord. On May 30 the company was involved in an antitrust case concerning the original radio patent pool (Marconi - Telefunken). Sarnoff's tenacity and intelligence were able to negotiate an outcome where RCA was no longer partly owned by Westinghouse and General Electric, giving him final say in the company's affairs.

At the onset of World War II, Sarnoff served on Eisenhower's communications staff, overseeing the construction of a radio transmitter that was powerful enough to reach all of the allied forces in Europe ( "Riverhead" 2 miles from Tesla Wardenclyffe transmitter station ) , arranging expanded radio circuits for NBC to transmit news from the invasion of France in June 1944.

He campaigned for, and received, the honorary title of Brigadier General, and thereafter preferred to be known as "General Sarnoff".


Picture source: The David Sarnoff Library at David Sarnoff Library

When did David Sarnoff enlist in the Army ..... he gets a Brigadier General promotion from Eisenhower, I thought this type of military title took years of dedicated service, we loose half the Pacific Navy fleet, the Air Force a division of the Army gets Montauk for a new military base. Maybe this is why after WW11 when the Navy pulled out of Long Island they left with a "big bang" destroying ten (10) six hundred foot long docks and a once facility now a crater. There is no love between the Army and Navy .......

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Remote Powered Electrodeless Light Bulb

Hi All,

I found a patent that hasn't been posted on the forum yet it's #6,476,565 November 5, 2002 by a Michael Charles Kaminski of Colorado Springs, Colorado. This was a patent that was cross referenced in the "Citation's" with several of Nikola Tesla's wireless patents.

Remote powered electrodeless light bulb - Google Patents

Abstract
The present invention 10 discloses a remote powered electrodeless light bulb 12 and an RF transmitter 14. The bulb 12 requires no electrical connection and will not burn out, can be submerged into water without causing electrocution, is safe and non toxic and has many uses. The bulb 12 may be of any size or shape, and is filled with inert argon gas and or other inert gases under vacuum. The transmitter 12 emits an RF field from a distance of 1 to 25 feet and comprises a variable frequency adjustment knob 16, an output power field adjustment knob 18 and a special effects transmitter knob 20 for changing the pulse/strobe rate. Also shown is a power source 22, a base 24, which may be made of metal, a chassis ground wire 26, an antenna 28, and a transmitter housing 30. Clear or colored glass or plastic 32 material of any shape or size form the wall of the bulb 12 and may be impregnated on its inner surface with fluorescent compound 34 and argon gas 36 and or multiple gases to produce...

Citations
Patent Number - Title - Issue date
454622 (unknown) Jun 1891
455069 (unknown) Jun 1891
2179601 (unknown) Nov 1939
3705319 (unknown) Dec 1972
3860854 (unknown) Jan 1975
4427922 Electrodeless light source Jan 24, 1984
4675577 Electrodeless fluorescent lighting system Jun 23, 1987
4910439 Luminaire configuration for electrodeless high intensity discharge lamp Mar 20, 1990
5191460 UV source for high data rate secure communication Mar 2, 1993
5866991 Induction lamp with oppositely oriented coil winding layers Feb 2, 1999
5886479 Precession of the plasma torus in electrodeless lamps by non-mechanical means Mar 23, 1999
5905343 Inductively coupled incandescent light bulb May 18, 1999
6051922 Electrodeless low-pressure mercury vapour discharge lamp employing a high frequency magnetic field having a layer of aluminum oxide particles Apr 18, 2000

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Glen
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Modern Mechanix and Inventions (July 1934)

Hi All,

I found a great original magazine article in "Modern Mechanix and Inventions" (July 1934) a Nikola Tesla Interview by ALFRED ALBELLI, it's six pages long talking about electricity transmitted by "radio".

Radio Power will Revolutionize the World

In the interview he talks about radio waves, his three electrode tubes with the principles that were released in 1892 (patent #454,622 April 25,1891), his finding of cosmic rays while investigating "Roentgen" rays and radioactivity in 1899. There is also him stating that his high potential vacuum tube in 1896 was one of his best inventions and that Colorado Springs was the only wireless plant "at the time".

It's a good indication through reading this material that there is merit to following Nikola Tesla's involvement in "radio" as it appears to be his work toward wireless power transmission and that the Shoreham "Wardenclyffe" transmission tower was never the end to his experiments in this field, just a stopping off point.

[Tesla Article Quote]
The scientific man does not aim at a immediate result. He does not expect that his advance ideas will be readily taken up. His work is like a Planter - for the future. His duty is to lay a foundation for those who are to come, and to point the way. He lives and labors and hopes.
[End Quote]

The reality and vision of a 78 year old genius.

Enjoy,
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Radio Power will Revolutionize the World

Hi everyone,

I found a PDF file of the "Modern Mechanix" - July 1934, Nikola Tesla Interview by ALFRED ALBELLI, the six page long Radio Power will Revolutionize the World, electrical transmission by "radio". (previous posting update)

"Modern Mechanix" July 1934

There is also a site that has information on over 96 known articles and publications of Nikola Tesla's interviews or about his work.

Tesla Publications

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Hi Glen,
I just stumbled on this, and I think you will love it.

Montauk

The first half of it is relevant. Be sure to be well seated before undertaking this read...

Keep up the fantastic work.

Thanks

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I just stumbled on this, and I think you will love it.

Montauk

The first half of it is relevant. Be sure to be well seated before undertaking this read...

Keep up the fantastic work.

Thanks

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Hey Guy,

Thank You for the link and welcome to Energetic Forums, I had to read the first half of the article of highlights from MCF: Quinn on Montauk II twice just to let it sink in somewhat because of the locations that I have found with the help of other members here have more importance than one would realize on face value. When I originally started this quest on Tesla's wireless electricity transmission it was my hope to find answers and all there were was more questions, why things for this inventor of so many important things ended the way it did. I'm sure now that Nikola Tesla's fate was destined for him by others that had already started to shape the industrial age years before he arrived.

The ones I'm talking about are the Whitney Family, Perkins Family, Phelps Family, Bundy Family, Taft Family, Wadsworth Family, Lord Family, Gilman Family, Harriman Family (Railroads), Rockefeller Family (Standard Oil), Payne Family (Standard Oil), Davison Family (J.P. Morgan), Weyerhaeuser Family (Lumber), Pillsbury Family (Flour Milling), Sloane Family (Retail) these are just a select few names that I found that ran there agendas to shape and organize everything as they are today.

I have found many things that have surprised even me from a "grasshopper" plague disappearing in Colorado Springs, Colorado to the findings at "Gardiner Island" in New York and the actual reshaping of land on the Northern end of Long Island at Montauk, New York with the 10's of thousands of cubic yards of sand dirt and rock fill, not to mention what may have floated away that came from the secret underground facilities there and so many things in between.

How many real friends did Nikola Tesla have he could trust .... not many it seems, politicians possibly only two United States Presidents, Theodore Roosevelt and his cousin Franklin D. Roosevelt. One thing I have seen is some information on the day after Tesla's mysterious death, he was to meet with President Franklin Roosevelt and his wife Eleanor for a engagement or meeting of some kind, and Tesla didn't show up or call and thats why the FBI and Navy Intelligence went to his hotel the next day starting the documentation hide and seek government game that was semi de-classified in 1987.

Where the end is I have no clue at this time, some say I'm chasing ghosts, to me and others I'm following a hero trying to find his foot steps and hopefully just a few of his secrets. Finding the "Vacuum Tube Tesla Coil" TOY is posted in another thread may have some clues to the wireless transmission of electricity and the link you gave me has me digesting and thinking again on areas to search on this quest.

Best Regards,
Glen

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Thanks Glen,

you haven't choosen the simplest subject for research, that's for sure...
I just hope that article will help you fill some voids. The docks might have been built for the submarines, then also used for the philadelphia experiment.

Anyway, the more we learn, the more we realize how much we have been duped and mistreated. It's almost depressing. Cattle gets treated much better than we are, really.

I have discovered the sites on free energy just 3 months ago, so I spend a lot of my free time "catching-up" with all the suppressed technology. Sometimes I get sidetracked by other interesting subjects, as this one here, but I'm not really into historical research.

However, I really admire your perspicacity and how you have managed to use old & new photographic data to accomplish your research. You and Rick are an example of great teamwork, a model for all to follow. I wish more people would know about the forums on free energy.

Much better times lie ahead for the world, although I think it will get worse before we reach the golden age. We just have to be ready and keep an open mind. Those in power, who have suppressed our advancement in knowledge, have really committed the worst cime in the history of civilisation.
I hope justice will prevail.

In the meantime, I'll continue checking my favorite threads, and learn as much as I can.

Regards,

Guy
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Thanks for the link, Guy. You were right, it is a long read but a very interesting one. It fits quite well with the things we have been discussing here, and also agrees in large part with the many "theories" that I have come to accept as realistic and reasonable explanations for the strange, mysterious, and often questionable happenings of the past.

Thanks for your participation, and best regards to you,

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Moon "Wireless Electrical Transmission"

Hi Rick, and everyone possibly interested,

Here is a fascinating article for NASA (March 2008) on how they may plan to send electricity by wireless to several spots on the moon when the habitation in remote spots begins, and the problems that are lunar ones which effect this type of process.

Lunar Wireless Power Transfer - Feasibility Study

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Well, I suppose NASA somehow got the permission from the "occupants" to establish a little camp there, he-he-he .
One thing's for sure, it won't be on the far side...

Actually, I was a bit surprised that the article mentionned Tesla as the first proposant of that idea, I would have expected NASA to claim the invention is theirs.

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Well, I suppose NASA somehow got the permission from the "occupants" to establish a little camp there, he-he-he .
One thing's for sure, it won't be on the far side...

Actually, I was a bit surprised that the article mentionned Tesla as the first proposant of that idea, I would have expected NASA to claim the invention is theirs.

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Hi Guy,

I was fairly surprised also on how much NASA knows about this technology and it seems to be a reasonable way to transfer power around on the moons lunar surface. The part that I had a hard time understanding is the magnetic polar shifting from positive to negative that happens on the moons surface. It appears NASA has been thinking of this concept for some time to know so much about wireless electrical transmission in a space environment.

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Hi Glen,

are you talking about the static charges on the moon surface ?
These are caused by the low electrical conduction of the regolith (ground) that prevents these charges from being dissipated like here on earth.

NASA and the military know -everything- there is to know !
If only they would stop censoring and suppressing technologies that are needed right now, here on earth!

Why do they need to go to the moon? Surely not to help US ...
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Hi Glen,

are you talking about the static charges on the moon surface ?
These are caused by the low electrical conduction of the regolith (ground) that prevents these charges from being dissipated like here on earth.

NASA and the military know -everything- there is to know !
If only they would stop censoring and suppressing technologies that are needed right now, here on earth!

Why do they need to go to the moon? Surely not to help US ...
Hi Guy,

Yes I was talking about the static charges on the moons surface I didn't realize that could be a problem similar to the ISS ( International Space Station ) they use a plasma contactor unit that acts as an electrical ground rod to connect the Space Station structure to the local environment and harmlessly dissipate the structure charges. The moon must have a lot to do with moisture content of the moons surface at 0%

As for the need to go to the moon ..... NASA has to probably find out what prolong human exposure to the moons total environment does, If we ever want to travel farther than the moon for any period of time the human body sometimes has a hard time physically with micro gravity for 9 months and longer, a trip to mars or one of the moons will take years with little help available for the venturing astronauts to boldly go where no man has gone before.

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Glen,

we have always been told that the gravity on the moon was only 1/6 that of the earth, and that there was no atmosphere, which would make it indeed a nice place for long-term experiments.

Apparently, the gravity there is 2/3 that of the earth, (yes, 4 times larger than they want us to believe), and it's proven by the position of the neutral point between the earth and the moon.

I can't remember exactly where I saw that info, I think it was on The Living Moon site but can't find it right now.

Anyway, here is a nice summary of this coverup I just googled-up.

By the way, the Living Moon site is loaded with info and great pictures !
Plan to spend an evening or two there


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I posted some information concerning a commercial application of the system in another thread:
U.S. and Russian satellites collide

And recently, Rex Research published this :
Joseph Yater -- Random Energy Fluctuation Converter -- Reversible Thermoelectric Generator

There is a patent thread that leads straight from there to Tesla and goes right through NASA.

US Patent 4004210 - REVERSIBLE THERMOELECTRIC CONVERTER WITH POWER CONVERSION OF ENERGY FLUCTUATIONS - Joseph C. Yater

US Patent 3760257 - ELECTROMAGNETIC WAVE ENERGY CONVERTER - James C. Fletcher, Administrator of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration with respect to an invention of; Robert L. Bailey, Gainesville, Fla.

US Patent 4685047 - APPARATUS FOR CONVERTING RADIO FREQUENCY ENERGY TO DIRECT CURRENT - Raymond P. Phillips, Sr.

US Patent 685957 - APPARATUS FOR THE UTILIZATION OF RADIANT ENERGY - NIKOLA TESLA

US Patent 649621 - APPARATUS FOR TRANSMISSION OF ELECTRICAL ENERGY - NIKOLA TESLA
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I posted some information concerning a commercial application of the system in another thread:
U.S. and Russian satellites collide

And recently, Rex Research published this :
Joseph Yater -- Random Energy Fluctuation Converter -- Reversible Thermoelectric Generator

There is a patent thread that leads straight from there to Tesla and goes right through NASA.

US Patent 4004210 - REVERSIBLE THERMOELECTRIC CONVERTER WITH POWER CONVERSION OF ENERGY FLUCTUATIONS - Joseph C. Yater

US Patent 3760257 - ELECTROMAGNETIC WAVE ENERGY CONVERTER - James C. Fletcher, Administrator of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration with respect to an invention of; Robert L. Bailey, Gainesville, Fla.

US Patent 4685047 - APPARATUS FOR CONVERTING RADIO FREQUENCY ENERGY TO DIRECT CURRENT - Raymond P. Phillips, Sr.

US Patent 685957 - APPARATUS FOR THE UTILIZATION OF RADIANT ENERGY - NIKOLA TESLA

US Patent 649621 - APPARATUS FOR TRANSMISSION OF ELECTRICAL ENERGY - NIKOLA TESLA
Hi sigzidfit,

Those references are quite interesting and deserve a much closer look, collecting information on Tesla's concept of "wireless electricity transmission" is like herding cats around .... you never quite know where it will take you !!

Regards,
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Montauk Part 3.0 - Mind Control

Hi everyone,
I’ve been quite busy lately gathering and digging the internet and books after contemplating the information I received from Rick and the other forum members that have been posting on this thread. The information that has been presented and found has been very troubling for me, as I have three children and four grandchildren, and to think what is happening could even in the slightest chance be possible would be the most devious of things done to mankind’s most innocent our children. The major problem and mistake is the consent for medical attention and health immunization record release forms custodial parents must sign for admittance to overnight youth camps for permission to possibly conduct government covert testing.

Nikola Tesla experimented with wireless electrical transmission of power using hertzian frequencies thru natural mediums like air, aether or earth ground and has been done in different ways and combinations by him and others. A wireless transmitter using earth ground as a conductor is one way frequencies that a tuned receiving device can intercept transmitted energy through such things as a earth grounding rings or similar devices. The rings that appear in A-B-C group negative using my theory of “Earths Tropical Year Frequency” and ground references are tuned by the ring diameter and used as a antenna or speaker of sorts, receiving the energy and frequencies from a transmitter using a similar ring but of any size, but large enough to accommodate the energy or power output to the receiver tuned ring, antenna or similar device. These points of “negative” energy like “Gardiner Island” and surrounding area are similar to the “Ziggurat-Pyramid” at Ur in ancient Sumer, Iraq (30 57’45”N, 46 06’ 11”E) from W8 30” from the equator and “Easter Island” off the coast of Chile (27 07’ 14.68”S, 109 22’ 00.03”W) from W53 30” from the equator just to name a few, all connected together magnetically.

MY THEORY OF “EARTHS TROPICAL YEAR FREQUENCY”

My theory of the "Earth Tropical Year Frequency" are CW positive rotating magnetical circular arks in a “Delta” and "Wye" type connection, 6679.17 Km Radius “Wye” (Y) configuration, one circular ark or radius per phase A-B-C connected CCW, each A-B-C group (1) degree apart for a total of three groups of 120 for 360 total connected circular CW arks or radiuses, each ark or radius is ten (10) miles wide +- centered at 5 by 5 the magnetical flux lines radius connection on the equator.

The A-B-C group negative or ground references also totaling 360 circular arks or radiuses, are all connected at one (1) degree increments, each circular ark or radius is ten (10) miles wide +- centered at 5 by 5, starting at W90 30' 00" going CCW on the equator. Starting with the "Omega Building " a copper top Ohm shaped large structure on Baltra Island ( 00 28' 2.50"S, 90 17' 1.71"W ), using "Google Earth" a blue reference square exists using the “Geographic Web” tab it’s located on the equator at W90 30' 00”, the “Omega Building” is orientated accordingly at the proper angle to intersect the Equators blue square.

UFER GROUND HISTORY AND USE

I have in a earlier post described a “ufer” grounding system and the importance of grounding used in Tesla’s devices, the history behind and development of "Concrete Encased Electrode Grounding". There is at all areas that Nikola Tesla did his most notable experiments within the “Earths Tropical Year Frequency” theory, only large rings from seventy five feet to hundreds of feet in diameter all used for some type of communications as there are “no” above ground antennas at all of the military areas today we have went through in this thread.

GARDINER ISLAND - SECRET MILITARY BASE w/ CONNECTION TO FIREPLACE LODGE GIRLS CAMP

Earlier I posted in this thread information on the huge possibility of “Gardiner Island” being used as a secret military base and maybe the home of the Philadelphia Experiment with the existence of two, six hundred foot long docks and other items posted. The unknown surrounding areas of nine other exact same size docks with a total length being over five thousand four hundred feet, and remember there is two sides to a dock, several “miles” of dock space maybe enough for the most of the Atlantic Navy fleet.

I hesitated at this point on certain information in my postings when I found that the source of underwater power to Gardiner Island came several hundred feet from what is now known as “Fireplace Lodge Girls Camp” once a military facility.

Now …. with information I have reviewed from several individuals with material from Al Bielek, Preston B. Nichols and some others, the major theme was mind control using radio frequencies and the possible use of children more notably known as "Montauk Boys and Girls" among other things perpetrated by our government.

Here is the beginning of this post where the evidence is placed before you as it has transpired from my findings, some may see this disturbing as I did not jumping to conclusions but to looking at the existence of undeniable facts knowing the technology of wireless transmission is available to the few and not the many.



There is within seventeen miles from Montauk “Camp Hero” and the supposed AN/FPS-35 radar dish three boy and girl summer camps that possibly was and is used for mind control experiments, but this radar device uses open air waves, called a SAGE (Semi-Automatic Ground Environment) system. There is evidence I posted on the huge amount of sand, dirt and rocks that literally changed the shape of the end of Long Island at Montauk “Camp Hero” meaning that a huge underground complex exists not just a few bunkers were built.

Camp Hero Air Force Base had it’s SAGE radar installed in 1958 operational in 1960 and supposedly decommissioned in 1984 given to the State of New York in 1987 but access was granted to the public only in 2002. The time frame from 1987 to 2002 is a long time and the non explanation of why the delay has not been satisfactorily ever given to the public as of today.

The first area to cover is “Fireplace Lodge Girls Camp” (41 02’ 55.06”N, 72 09’ 10.96”W) it has been discussed earlier in this thread as a possible military site and location of the underwater power source feeder for Gardiner Island, with a location in the black and white 1938 aerial photograph, shown with a “green” dot in a bare square area the ground ring which is approximately 140 feet in diameter. The photograph also shows what looks as a “OHM” shape followed by a roman numeral “ONE” if looking in from the water at Long Island sound at the beach by two “red” dots. The other photograph images of the “Fireplace Lodge Girls Camp” are from Terra Server USA, Microsoft Live Maps and Google Earth each with “green” dots where a grounding ring appears to be.





Continued ....... Please See Next Post !!

Regards,
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Montauk Part 3 - Mind Control "continued"

Hi everyone,

Continued ......

The second area is “Camp Blue Bay” (41 02' 20.03"N, 72 10' 27.07"W) a girl scout camp founded in 1947 and is still operational today for the Nassau County, New York “Girl Scouts” Girl Scouts of Nassau County the only site now open and operateing, as Camp Tekakwitha the sister camp (40 54' 18.52"N, 72 32' 00.18"W) has now been sold as of 2007. This is really quite odd that a Nassau County chapter of the girl scouts would have jurisdiction of a camp in Suffolk County and not the Suffolk County girl scout chapter Girl Scouts of Suffolk County http://www.gssc.us/camp/2009CampBrochure.pdf

At “Camp Blue Bay” the Girl Scout Levels are … Daisy Girl Scouts Ages 5-6,
Kindergarten, Brownie Girl Scouts Ages 6-8, Grades 1-3, Junior Girl Scouts Ages 8-11, Grades 4-6, Studio 2B Ages 11-13 • Ages 13-15 • Ages 15-17, Number of Sessions: 6, Number of Campers: 156, Number of Staff: 45, Number of International Staff: 20, http://www.gsnc.org/camp/2009poster.pdf

There are several odd thing about this girl scout camp the first is a parking lot nine hundred feet from the “Activity Building” and five hundred feet from the 365 foot diameter grounding ring ( added metal cars causing magnetical problems ) it’s only big enough for twelve cars. There is a basketball court inside the ring in the open campers group gathering area and the orientation of the buildings the first photo a white line represents is the centerline of the AN/FPS-35 radar dish SAGE system at Camp Hero. The names of the roads surrounding the girl scout camp are (SW Road) Flaggy Hole Road - Flaggy Hole is on Napeague Bay one of nine Montauk ship loading 600 foot dock areas (41 01' 44.25"N, 72 00' 41.44"W), (SE Road) Three Mile Harbor HC Road, (W Road) Isle of Wight Road - pet name of “Gardiner Island” by the original owner Lion Gardiners first wife. There are some 90 degree correlations to the two (2) “Troop Houses” and the position and shape of the “Activity Building” structure looking like a radio wave directional choke point on one end and amplifier on the other. The architect doesn’t specialize in this type of building but has a very interesting resume to say the least.

Detailed photos of Camp Blue Bay – Activity Building and Troop Houses
Resume of Stephen Lesser architect of Camp Blue Bay

The strangest thing about this site is how the girl scouts get to “Camp Blue Bay” is campers transported via deluxe motor coaches that leave from and return to Hofstra University in Hempstead. Distance 87 miles (about 1 hour 54 minutes).

Hofstra University - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hofstra holds full accreditation in 19 academic areas. Nationally, fewer than 100 colleges and universities match this achievement. The first day of classes was September 23, 1935, obtained a provisional charter, and its official name was changed to Hofstra College on January 16, 1937. Hofstra College separated from New York University in 1939 and was granted an absolute charter on February 16, 1940. With the approval of the New York State Board of Regents, Hofstra became Long Island’s first private university on March 1, 1963. In 1963, Mitchell Air Force Base was closed by the military and declared surplus property. The University asked for acreage to be used for educational purposes and was eventually granted 110 acres. The university operates Long Island's oldest public radio station, WRHU-FM (88.7). Hofstra University hosted the third and final 2008 Presidential debate on October 15, 2008 between Barack Obama and John McCain. The debate focused on economic policy and domestic issues.

2008 Presidential Debate - Hofstra University






The last site that I know of as of today is the 27.8-acre “Boys and Girls Harbor Camp” this was opened in 1958 by Anthony Drexel Duke The East Hampton Star - Arts and was sold April 31,2009 27east - County Exec signs off on Boys and Girls Harbor purchase . This exclusive youth camp site also has a smaller ring about eighty feet in diameter located around the swimming pool surrounded by “green” dots also close to the camp site youth gathering area.





I hope everyone finds this posting helpful in the understanding of the possible mind control experiments that appear to have been and maybe still taken place on our children and the lengths to which the government goes to form a society in the image of there preference. This to me is the ultimate in using good technology known only by a select few for all the wrong reasons to suppress the knowledge meant for all to benefit politically and monetarily the rich and influential people now in control of our planet.

Best Regards, and peace be with you !
Glen

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Hi Glen, once again. you hit the nail right on the head.

It's fascinating to discover all those new facts, and at the same time distressing when we realize how much we've been duped, and been taken advantage of.
I've been reading a lot lately on a variety of subjects, and the pattern is always the same, leading edge technology discovered, then suppressed from the public, and finally misused or shelved.

Anyway, here is something on-topic I just stumbled upon.
Wardencliffe
Sadly, it's not good news either.

But, things WILL get better.

Cheers

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Hi Glen, once again. you hit the nail right on the head.

It's fascinating to discover all those new facts, and at the same time distressing when we realize how much we've been duped, and been taken advantage of.
I've been reading a lot lately on a variety of subjects, and the pattern is always the same, leading edge technology discovered, then suppressed from the public, and finally misused or shelved.

Anyway, here is something on-topic I just stumbled upon.
Wardencliffe
Sadly, it's not good news either.

But, things WILL get better.

Cheers

Guy
Howdy Guy, I really know what you mean .... there's always the obvious of subjects when something is wrong or out of place and I was really never into big conspiracy theory's other than maybe area 51. But even the possible existence of youth mind control took me awhile to grasp onto, but you know it took decades to stop subliminal messages to be banned in movies, and still are used in shopping mall music today. The limits on what it appears various party's were or are able to go to for the mental shaping of basically a generation is astounding, unprecedented and disturbing.

The link on the Owners putting up Tesla laboratory site Wardenclyffe in Shoreham, NY for "sale" is very unfortunate, hopefully something will happen to stop any demolition and money can be found to purchase the property. It's so sad that Nikola Tesla is slowly being erased form the literal face of the earth, even the laboratory location sign in Colorado Springs in 'Memorial Park" at E Pikes Peak Ave and N Foote Ave has been removed that I posted .... sad days.

Best Regards,
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Glen,
there are more conspiracies and machinations than you could ever imagine, believe me.

About Wardenclyffe, here is an idea:
How about starting a new thread on this forum (and OverUnity), informing people about this, and asking them to email the owners and letting them know the reasons WHY they think this land should be preserved.

Most users here know who Tesla is and what he has done for this world.
Obliterating his last place would be the worst affront we could do to his memory, after having suppressed all his work.

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Guy,

Thats a excellent idea to inform anyone and everyone who could help in the preservation of the Nikola Tesla's "Wardenclyffe" laboratory site. With a collaboration of efforts from possibly thousands of members something could be and should be done before the chance eludes us all and this gets swept under the rug. The list would be long for local, state and federal people to contact, but I think many members would be up to the task to try our hardest, because of what we all believe in here at Energetic and at OverUnity forums.

You and any one else wanting to help and start in this plan of attack to save what might be the only thing left in existence of Nikola Tesla's, please PM me and lets get this started somehow "there already ahead of us" !!

Because the idea was yours about the new thread, start it Guy with my 110 % backing and support !!!

Best Regards,
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Ehh, thanks for the nomination Glen, but being a novice member, Canadian, and not so good with words, I would prefer if YOU would be the one starting this thread.

I'm sure your karma will generate much more responses...

Of course, I'll back you up 110%

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