I said a few times to few people:

In particular where patents are in the equation; when you are doing research
on these old devices\inventions you have to keep a few things in your mind:

A) What was available then to that person.
B) Who were the people he was in contact with.
C) Usually the inventor kept some fact(s) hidden - to protect his patent.
D) What was his particular field of interest then and just prior to the invention.
E) Look at the invention like you will look at a solar eclipse -
Block the main event and look at the surroundings.

In this last case, that was how I actually found the 'secret' of the EV Gray tube/valve and others. First, update your info with regards to 'nuclear' knowledge as Tesla (or whomever you are researching) would have known up to that particular date then re-read that person's personal history, related news and magazine clipping, talks he did - whatever.

THEN go back and read the direct info/patent you are interested in. It is very much like forensics - research not only the item, but the environment.

TESLA: He was not all that magic or super intelligent. He just know more than the Average person – about more subjects. I do think many people on this and other related forums fail to realize that Nikola Tesla’s also had other interests, knowledge and even patents. These includes medical, astrology (as in physical AND spiritual) – then there is one particular field few people do realize and this is a critically error in our interest field:

Nikola Tesla was also what we will call today a METALURGIST, MINERALOGIST and GEMOLOGIST. So you add all of these together you will find he probably would have loved the periodic table.

In many of his patents he use the word “METAL” – unless it is otherwise started as being FERRITE, COPPER, etc – it could mean anything. Radium is a metal, Uranium is a metal, Mercury is a metal. In those days they also liked to work with Cobalt, Corundum and Zirconia.

Example of further TESLA related research:
So let me give you another example of research. In this case let us see what other Information Tesla might have had in relation to NUCLEAR physics. Being a scientist, researcher and inventor – with a very high requirement of recognition and ego; he obviously would have been VERY interested in science literature and the NOBEL price.

In 1895 Rutherford traveled to England for postgraduate study at the Cavendish Laboratory, University of Cambridge (1895–1898), and he briefly held the world record for the distance over which electromagnetic waves could be detected. During the investigation of radioactivity he coined the terms alpha and beta to describe the two distinct types of radiation emitted by thorium and uranium.

Between 1900 and 1903, Ernest Rutherford and Frederick Soddy showed how thorium decayed at a fixed rate over time into a series of other elements. This observation led to the identification of half life as one of the outcomes of the alpha particle experiments that led to their disintegration theory of radioactivity. In 1908 Ernest Rutherford received the Nobel Price for his research. In 1919 he became the first person to transmute one element into another when he converted nitrogen into oxygen through the nuclear reaction. In 1926 he wrote a book “The electrical Structure of Matter”.

Tesla always studied his peers; so he definitely would have studied the work of Rutherford and the particular point I lifted out above would have been of great interest to Tesla.

Some other interesting research of Nikola Tesla:
We all know he was Serbian, but did you know that he continue to have very close ties for all of his life? The president of the Belgrade university and senior scientist to the Monarchy was Djordje Stanojević – not just an aquantance, but very personal friend of Tesla - since childhood. In fact Stanojević was the person who opend doors for Tesla, and to whom TESLA always sent his documents.

“Tesla ceded to Stanojević the texts of patents and lectures, and sent images and schemes, so Stanojević, himself well known in broader scientific circles in Europe, used that in the most skillful manner, and introduces our science to the modern currents in the field of electronic engineering. “B92 - Tesla - Life and work - Nikola Tesla and his Compatriots

Another example of interest:
I once saw a photo of Nikola Tesla with Kenneth Swezey. So who was this Swezey? Following that out, I found that KS actually formed the Tesla Society, was a friend of Tesla and more important:

“After Mr. Swezey died in 1972, the Smithsonian Institution acquired his collection and organized it into 26 document boxes. In 1983 the Division of Electricity, which had been holding the papers, transferred them to the Archives Center, National Museum of American History.”
Important: Those are 26 boxes of TESLA related documents.

Tesla worked with Uranium – already in 1893;
Tesla devised all kinds of wirelessly lit vacuum and gas filled tubes. He increased the brilliance by using glass of which the silica compound was mixed with uranium and coating them with phosphors. That was Tesla version of the Fluorescent tubes.

EDIT: "Removed portion"

Hi Aromaz,
I agree that Nikola Tesla could have used almost any metal material available at the time including all you mentioned and some not. I had a opportunity in school back in the late 60's to expose B&W 5x7 film to a 15cm square cube piece of uranium from several seconds to several minuets developing the film and counting dots it was boring but I learned a lot about this material. This type of radioactive material could have been used but as you know Tesla was a big safety buff from his 1" thick rubber sole shoes he used during experiments to the publics and consumers safety of his devices.

The Kenneth Swezey information is one of mystery to me after seeing the de classified documents from the FBI about his involvement in the break in of Nikola Tesla's safe with Sava Kosanovich with witnesses from the Hotel management and Yugoslavia Government hours after his death ..... friend or foe ??

De-Classified FBI file - 252 pages
( Swezey pages 6,7,33,34,39, plus..)
http://www.lostartsmedia.com/images/teslafbifile.pdf

*additional De-Classified FBI files*
Nikola Tesla Resources and Images
Nikola Tesla Resources and Images
Nikola Tesla Resources and Images
Nikola Tesla Resources and Images
Nikola Tesla Resources and Images
Nikola Tesla Resources and Images

And it's funny you mentioning about the uranium glass ...... I bought some for my son last year from "EBay" from this gentlemen ....

URANIUM GLASS TUBING Boro 76mm OD x 3mm x 48"+ L - eBay (item 6100453443 end time Apr-04-09 19:57:13 PDT)

..... of course what I bought was much smaller 1/2" diameter and cheeper, was made prior to WW11 and is old new stock ..... my son and son in-law plus 10 or so friends are professional glass blowers thats why I'm so interested in patent # 454,622 Figure 3, and I have 20 Lbs of graphite to boot, just no vacuum machine yet and maybe some Argon gas.

Regards,
Glen

Hi All,
I wanted to place the last possible area that Nikola Tesla may have been working for the US Government after the Telefunken and Marconi "spark gap" transmitter radio stations. This would be Camp Hero - Fort Pond - Montauk on the NE tip of Long Island New York.

41 3' 44" N, 71 52' 27" W (or) 41.062222, -71.874167

The Montauk Project was alleged to be a series of secret United States government projects conducted at Camp Hero or Montauk Air Force Station on Montauk, Long Island for the purpose of developing psychological warfare techniques and exotic research including time travel.

Montauk Project - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Fort Pond Bay - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Camp Hero State Park - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Philadelphia Experiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Based on its history and location, it was not surprising that the government established Fort Hero in 1929 on the point just south of the lighthouse.
The US Army upgraded Fort Hero, and renamed it Camp Hero in 1942. The Navy also acquired land in the area, including Fort Pond and Montauk Manor. They built docks, seaplane hangars, barracks, and other buildings in the area. There was also a huge torpedo testing facility.
Camp Hero itself swelled to 278 acres (1.1 km²), and included four cutting-edge 16-inch artillery pieces in concrete bunkers, aimed out to sea. The coastal gun emplacements were camouflaged with netting and foliage. A large "Fire Control Center" was built next to the lighthouse to direct the artillery and Anti-aircraft warfare. Other armaments included quadruple fifty caliber Machine Gun for low altitude defense up to large 90mm and 120mm artillery. The camp was a self-contained town with recreational facilities, barracks and its own power plant.
To protect it from enemy bombers and the prying eyes of Nazi spies in fishing boats, the entire base was built to look like a typical New England fishing village. Concrete bunkers had windows painted on them and ornamental roofs with fake dormers. The gymnasium was made to look like a church with a faux steeple.



The other information is the 300 foot "Ring" located at this site and now the ninth set of "Y" connected three circular magnetical flux arks that I have listed previously in this thread covering all US military facilitys on the east coast. The results are the same as the other eight sets the site is within the radius in a ( 5x5 ) ten mile wide area from the radius center line, this site being 4 miles from A/PH-CL9 at W23 degrees on the equator.

13358.34 Km diameter
6679.17 Km radius

W23 degrees 00' Phase A center of circle A/PH-CL9
E97 degrees 00' Phase B center of circle B/PH-CL9
W143 degrees 00' Phase C center of circle C/PH-CL9

There is also someone that has also has noticed the rings independent of myself.

http://www.geocities.com/electrogravitics/bm-mtm.html
http://www.geocities.com/electrogravitics/bm-bhm.html
http://www.geocities.com/electrogravitics/bm-comp.html

and some "YouTube" videos of the area and the sites ........

YouTube - Urban Explorers: Camp Hero Montauk Project Revealed
YouTube - Urban Explorers: Camp Hero Montauk Project Revisited






and some fairly good material on the workings of this area and possibly what was going on ....

Montauk Project - Interview From "The Metaphysical Experience"
Montauk Project - Crystalinks
The Phoenix
Philidelphia Experiment: New Info Found on Stealth Technology & Grays & Pleiadians
The Montauk Project - Phoenix II
Wireless History
Camp Hero
Montauk Project:New Philidelphia Experiment Videos Found on Invisibility Technology from ET's
Montauk Point and Camp Hero
THE MONTAUK PROJECT AND CAMP HERO TODAY - 2
THE HISTORY OF MONTAUK AIR FORCE STATION

Just a little reading material for those that may be interested in this, some information of which is believable and some I'll leave up to you ..... I posted the best available for your enjoyment.

Regards,
Glen

Hi Glen,

A lot of interesting stuff all tied together and linked to Tesla and the things we have been talking about here. I have studied these topics for a number of years, and while much of it at first glance seems too far fetched and spectacular to possibly be true, the deeper you dig the more that it fits together as realistic possibility, and even probability. I heard a lengthy broadcast on Coast to Coast radio several years ago featuring Al Bielik, who told how Tesla had originally been in charge of the project concerning the Eldridge. Al also spoke of Tesla's Pierce Arrow, the Montauk Project, Pearl Harbor, and other things of great interest. It struck me at the time that Al had intensive technical knowledge concerning the things he was talking about. If you Google Al Bielik, you will find that a lot of negative "information" has been posted online to discredit him and make him out to be a crazy kook. For most people, that sort of information would be easy to believe. But if you listen to Al speak, there is definitely a ring of truth and authenticity, even though his story is as fantastic as any science fiction saga ever told. Did you ever hear the Coast to Coast interview? I believe that I have a copy of that somewhere in mp3 format. Let me know if you're interested.

Interesting, I am till trying to catch up on this tread and all the geometry.

Got another one to add for those interested. It started off with a reference to Atlantis and the ancient Sumerians. According to some clay tables they have left critical information on three places around the earth,
stating: Atlantis, Egypt Pyramids and another.

So, since they seems to had the ability to travel all over and around the earth, and since they probably expected it to be preserved for millenia, I played a few weeks ago.

We know now only of one site: The Sfinks East of the pyramids of Giza. So I took the circumference of the earth and divide it by three - thinking "If I was to hide this info and hope it will survive so long, I will have to consider meteorites - So I will place it on three different faces of the earth. Thus keeping the same E-W line I divide the earth in 3 equal parts.

Position #1 - Giza in Egypt.
Position #2 - North West coast Cuba - Ancienet underwater city
Also near the famous Bermuda Triangle (South from);
Could be Atlantis
Position #3 - South from Japan - Ancient underwater city
Also known similar effects as Bermuda with magnetic anomalities.
Also South from.
Could be Mu.

BUT, if we use the ancient city of Baalbek - then all fits together in 3 equal parts.

In #2 and #3 the exact spot if only a few miles off from what has been discovered and identified, and probably part of a much larger city/complex.

Now, take this information and super-impose your references to Tesla sites
and then take the ELF and other strange sites of US Navy ?????

There are some strange geometries going on here. Seems they form a pattern, so just got to figure out what are in those places where we have 'energy nodes' but do not know what it is about.

Hi Rick,
Thanks for the kind words about the post, I've learned from you and the other masters here at Energetic and there are quite a few. I was going to give the final edition of Tesla's last stand in a short version but the last 10 years of his life was one of mystery as everyone knows so I put everything left together. What I tried to show was the best information that is available and what has happened we're back to Long Island, New York with United States Government involvement and in the haze of cutting age science decades ago, and a trail of bird crumbs to follow. I have heard of Al Bielik, his name has been at one time before the past several months have had some really out there things he was saying I thought ..... but now just with what I have found he sounds fairly sane maybe touched, but not insane. The other thing that struck me strange earlier was the involvement of the US Navy intelligence at the time of Nikola Tesla's death, now with Fort Pond - Camp Hero "Montauk Project" this would probably be the one area or site that it could all about.

I have came up with a new "Google Earth" KMZ point file in zip format with all the areas we have used in this thread including the "Omega - ground reference building at Baltra Island", "Wardencleffe - Tesla's Laboratory facility in New York", "Camp Upton - Brookhaven National Laboratory", "Pyramids in Gazi and Mexico", "Thunguska", "Colorado Springs, Peterson AFB, Fort Carson, Garden of the Gods extension land anomalies", "Cern - Switzerland and France", "Area 51 - US Military facility", "Tikal, Guatemala - Dozens of Mayan Pyramids", "Shaanxi - Xi'an, China ( over 100 Pyramids ) Government and military Facilities", "Guimar - Canary Islands", "Telefunken Transmitter - Sayville, New York", "Marconi Transmitter - New Brunswick and Belmar, New Jersey", "Camp Hero and Fort Pond - Montauk, New York" and all the "Y" connected radius "Equator" magnetic circular flux line points for the above list.

RapidShare: Easy Filehosting (KMZ file)

Using Places - Google Earth User Guide

There is some really great and strange things at the "Montauk, New York" site, bunkers, houses on bunkers, isolated buildings and if you use the (National Geographic) historical maps, weather map, population map, trail maps, search maps, buy maps - national geographic maps site for cross reference with my set points, National Geographic has a "Birds Eye" view thats 40% closer than Google Earth but is limited in screen size ...... the details are much better and you can rotate at 90 degree intervals.

And I'd love to hear the MP3 if you have it around.

Now I'm still looking at patent #454,622 and the receiver bulb Fig.3 just something about it ..... can't put my finger on it yet.

Best Regards,
Glen

@FuzzyTomCat;

Impressive - very nicely done and interesting.

Thanks for this impressive result!

Maybe the 'Reflecting plate' 'i' act:
a) As receiving antennae
b) Reflector of power to the carbon ball in middle.

Kind of strange, yes.

Hi Aromaz,
Thank you for the complement on the Tesla "Camp Hero - Montauk" post, theres a lot of strange stuff that possibly went on there for sure.

As for the patent # 454,622 illustration of Figure 3 I enlarged it as it's hard to see at the size on the patent. The "i" you refer to is what appears to be the letter "l" ...... but your correct I think on your observations on it being a Reflector of power to the carbon ball in middle which would possibly make it as receiving antenna, and it's the only bulb or globe in Tesla's patents I can find like it.



I placed a red line through the carbon ball center line and the reflector looks fairly centered between the blue dots near the ends of the reflector plate "l" directing energy back to the round carbon conductor "e". The only question is what is the material of the reflector plate "l" made from ..... something common or is it a exotic material the silvery coating seen on the glass envelopes inside is generally made of barium, which reacts (when hot) with gases, taking them out of circulation as soon as they appear so it cant be that because it's on the outside of the bulb or globe.

Very strange indeed ....

Best Regards,
Glen

Hi All,

When going through my Russia stuff I noticed that the information on my "Google Earth" KLM zip file for "Thunguska" is in the wrong place the location please forgive me it should be at 60 55' 0"N, 101 57' 0"E (or) 60.916667, 101.95 I will update the file for a future revision release on my Tesla and "wye" (Y) KLM points.

Now for the really good stuff ..... while surfin around I found a device Marx generator - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that looks like a 5 story tall "Tesla Coil" at a Russian test site built in 1929, one of many pieces of High Voltage Equipment of monstrous size in Sychëvka, Moskovskaya Oblast' ( I think it's the location - it's hazy ) was throwing around 450 foot lightning bolts just cant find it yet but have some dandy photos to share .......



A nice little video ....

YouTube - SIBNIIE the 7 Megavolt Marx Generator combo video of Novosibirsk, Siberia & Sychëvka, Moskovskaya Oblast'

Some good web sites with some great "must see" photographs ....

Fishki.Net - Êîìïëåêñ óñòàíîâîê Òåñëà (20 ôîòî) | Ôèøêèíà Êàðòèíêà
Translated version of http://fishki.net/comment.php?id=21722 ( GREAT PHOTOS )
http://skyfi.org.ru/photos/?path=marksgen

If anyone has more information on this location please add to the thread and any comments.

Regards,
Glen

Hi All,

Well I found the Sychëvka, Moskovskaya Oblast' High Voltage test site, just wanted to make sure it was the correct place in Russia -

55 55' 26.15"N, 36 49' 10.97"E (or) 55.918653, 36.818889

As you can see from the aerial photograph from "Google Earth" it has a wonderful 800 foot ring just to the south, a USA military and a near Tesla site anomaly. This will be added to my "wye" (Y) magnetic circular flux arks from the equator with the other nine sets now known I found being or has been used.



Now it's back to the USA and Tesla's wireless electrical transmission ..... or did Tesla have any influence here with this .......

Glen

Hi All,

Here is the site at Novosibirsk, Siberia (Russia) that is in operation today that took the place of Sychëvka, Moskovskaya Oblast' High Voltage test facility -

55 0' 25.76"N, 83 1' 49.18"E (or) 55.00716100, 83.03032800

Ôèëèàë ÎÀÎ «ÍÒÖ ýëåêòðîýíåðãåòèêè» - ÑèáÍÈÈÝ
Translated version of http://www.sibniie.ru/experimental/complex.htm
Branch of «NTC Electroenergetiki» Public Corporation - SibNIIE

And the correct photos ....

SIBNIIE







I hope this clears everything up on the Russian sites the Sychëvka, Moskovskaya Oblast' is a restricted area where this site isn't.

Regards,
Glen

Glen, do you know about the beam weapon that the Soviets constructed at Saryshagan, near the Sino-Soviet border in southern Russia? A US spy satellite discovered this in 1980, and an image of that can be found here:
Suspected Soviet beam weapon installation.
The discovery of this site prompted President Reagan's announcement of the Star Wars Strategic Defense Initiative in 1983.

The Soviet beam weapon looks strangely familiar to Tesla's "High Potential Generator," which is shown here: Tesla's Van de Graff Generator
Tesla's idea was to accelerate microscopic flecks of tungsten or mercury to incredible velocities. According to the book Tesla - Master of Lightning, "He preferred that his beam be composed of a long train of single particles in order to minimize any scattering due to collisions within the beam. Electrostatic repulsion of like charges would impart the necessary energy. From the center of a highly charged sphere, grain sized projectiles would be squeezed toward an opening and fly outward with a slingshot force of several million volts." To maintain a high vacuum within his open ended tube, it is said that Tesla directed a high velocity airstream, generated by a Tesla Turbine, past the tip of the gun.

In 1937, as World War II seemed inevitable, Tesla sent an elaborate technical paper titled, "New Art Of Projecting Concentrated Non-Dispersive Energy through Natural Media," to a number of allied nations, including Russia. This was a description, with diagrams, of a particle beam weapon. Russia pursued the idea with great interest. They contracted with Tesla, through the Amtorg Trading Corporation, an alleged Soviet arms front in New York City. Two years later, the Soviets successfully tested one stage of the plan, and presented Tesla with a check for $25,000.

A secret FBI document, prepared in 1983, said that, "The Soviet Union has allegedly had access to some of Tesla's papers, possibly in Belgrade and/or elsewhere, which influenced their early research into directed energy weapons. Access to Tesla's papers on lightning, beam weapons and/or 'death rays' would give more insight into the Soviet beam weapons program." The US had actually started a top secret beam weapon project in 1958 at the Lawrence Livermore Laboratory, code-named Seesaw. The project, under direction of DARPA, was abandoned a decade later due to high costs and limited progress.

In another interesting note, Joseph Butler, of the National Air Intelligence Center, conducted an extensive search for Tesla's papers in the late 1970's. He said he found that copies of some of Tesla's papers were sent to Wright Patterson in 1945, but seemed to have vanished with no one appearing to know what happened to them.

There can be little doubt that the Russian government had access to Tesla's advanced technologies, and that they employed these technologies with at least some degree of success. High level US government and military officials have openly acknowledged that particle beam weaponry and HAARP technology are based upon Tesla's ideas.

We have covered a lot of ground in this thread, and discovered some very interesting things. It all makes for interesting reading and personal enrichment through the enlightenment that comes from connecting the dots to see the larger overall picture.

Best regards to you,

Rick

Hi Rick,
Thanks for the information .... that is some interesting stuff on Saryshagan and Semipalatinsk in Russia, I'm going to look into these further as you could see from the photos I posted on Sychëvka, Moskovskaya Oblast' and Novosibirsk if those devices were in the USA they would be under a parking lot part of secret history, but being there in Russia who knows what one may find.

I think it's interesting that "Brookhaven National Laboratory" keeps coming up and here is some more. There is a site 12 miles to the south from Novosibirsk the High Voltage test site that is in operation now, it's in Akademgorodok ....

Akademgorodok - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'ts a facility in this town called "Budker Institute of Nuclear Physics" with a VEPP-2000 VEPP-4M Electron-positron collider facility a smaller one like Brookhaven National Laboratory.

Budker Institute of Nuclear Physics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
54 50' 56"N, 83 06' 41"E

List of accelerators in particle physics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Then I have been looking up information on making "Vacuum Tubes" for my son and son in-law to make some of the Tesla patent #454,622 receiver globes Figure 3 and what did I find but something at "Brookhaven National Laboratory" a glass blowing expert in "Vacuum Tubes" ....

Chemistry Glass Shop

go figure now with the "Telefunken" 1927 RS5 triode vacuum tube a amazingly low-priced KW transmitter tube to market for amateurs back in the day I found, the 1931 Pierce Arrow cosmic-ray "Black Box" is looking better all the time

Best Regards,
Glen

Hi Rick,
I was able to look around the area the U.S. satellite reconnaissance photo of suspected Soviet beam weapon installation near Semipalatinsk, and boy this place gives me the "ebee jeebees" to say the least.

Semipalatinsk Test Site - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
50 7' 0"N, 78 43' 0"E (or) 50.116667, 78.716667

Scalar Potential Interferometer

This area has several towns that "Google Earth" shows but nothing is there ...

Repinka -
50 04' 15.30"N, 80 08' 58.18"E "Google Earth" nothing
50 04' 10.14"N, 80 01' 45.30"E Scrubbed town 4 miles West

Arkalyk -
49 53' 15.38"N, 80 20' 10.31"E "Google Earth" nothing
49 52' 47.03"N, 80 19' 51.01"E Scrubbed town 1 mile North

Then looking into the nuclear end, the reported minimum 25,000 civilians that were exposed to radioactive fallout from the USSR explosions that lived.

The Monster of Semipalatinsk
Semipalatinsk-16

Also the technical report on "Medical Effects and Dosimetric Data from Nuclear Tests at the Semipalatinsk Test Site" which tells the rest of the story what happened ...... the USA may do some crummy things to it's citizens but "nothing" like this at all.

http://www.afrri.usuhs.mil/outreach/...A-TR-06-23.pdf

As you said so eloquently .... "quote" ....

We have covered a lot of ground in this thread, and discovered some very interesting things. It all makes for interesting reading and personal enrichment through the enlightenment that comes from connecting the dots to see the larger overall picture.

This is so true and correct ..... but if a Tesla type device was ever here somewhere I really think it's gone now, there is just to much bad exposure and evil to this site.

Best Regards,
Glen

Rick,

I guess it was getting grossed out on the photos's from the nuclear fallout from the Semipalatinsk area and didn't notice that there are blast sites all over and I was in "Semipalatinsk -16", thats the one mostly blown up some buildings standing many burnt down. There is another site farther away to the West 60 miles called "Balapan Semipalatinsk - 21", a facility in good condition with a very large power sub station all intact.

50 08' 01.87"N, 78 43' 44.95"E

There is a area to the west with it's own set of power lines and what looks like two cooling ponds next to twelve rectangle boxes connected to a building with dirt berms arranged in a odd manner around the facility.

This maybe the Tesla's High Potential Generator or "Scalar Potential Interferometer" you mentioned, I realize it's not exactly like the article from Aviation Week & Space Technology, July 28, 1980 it's artist's conception illustration ...... but .... need to look real close ....

Scalar Potential Interferometer



Glen

Hi Glen,

Thanks for doing the legwork on this. I think maybe we are in the right area, although there is another spot nearby - just north of the power station, that appears to be an even closer match to the Aviation Week & Space Technology drawing that was made from the spy satellite photo.



The overall layout here is very close to AW&ST picture. I reoriented the view so that it aligns much the same as the picture. Notice how the road curvature at the top and right conforms well, and that the large cylindrical depression (closest to the road at top) may have been where the beam weapon tube was laid. The smaller elongated depression below that may have been where the junction building was located, where the high power lines entered and were then fed to multiple points along the tube. If you look closely in the shaded area of that depression, you will see what appears to be several openings, possibly access tunnels which housed the cables and allowed workers to approach the underside of the beam tube.
Further down in the view is a row of structures from left to right, many of which appear to have been mostly demolished, excepting at the left end. The arrow that I inserted at the left points to a light colored object with circular features on the top, and this is something clearly depicted in the AW&ST picture. Behind that is a darker object, which could be the only remaining part of the earthen barrier that went across the site from left to right. Also, in the area at the bottom of the view, there are two rectangular objects, just as in the AW&ST picture.

My guess is that something went very wrong here, and that the tube probably blew up during one of the weapon tests, taking out much of the facility in the process.

Glen, I found the file that I mentioned earlier. Check your PM, as I have sent you a download link.

Best,

Rick

Hi Rick,
I really think your correct, that we appear to be it the correct place both areas we are looking at has the capability of using a lot of electricity from the large power sub station and both areas are connected by some type of underground utility duct. The site I was looking at could be the pumping and cooling for the beam weapon tube and the area you have has had a obvious sizable explosion and what's left does resemble the photograph with the orientation you have shown. It would also make since to have everything several thousand feet apart and away from the power source and main buildings if something was to go wrong, and you right something "BIG" sure did.

If you look at the bottom of the heavily damaged "Balapan" facility and follow the 100 foot wide double dirt berm ditch west 12 miles, there is some of the exact same type of damage to another facility known as "Ak Bota - City of Ghosts" ....

50 11' 47.13"N, 78 21' 27.58"E

It almost looks as if the explosive blast may of had a EMP type pulse or something similar that went to ground at the power sub station in "Balapan" and followed the ground path maybe some piping to the double berm ditch then "Ak Bota" site and baked that facility to.

There is one more major site 40 miles north of "Ak Bota" called "Moldary - Kurchatov" it was the base camp facility for the Semipalatinsk 16 area....

50 44' 45.73"N, 78 31' 35.82"E

It appears to be a facility that is functional but who knows what is going on there now being it's whats left of Kazakhstan ...... but looking to the west from this facility a mile or so is a communication "ring"

50 46' 16.91"N, 78 29' 22.75"E

After now looking at all the sites in Russia no wonder there was a time when the USSR and the USA had great fears of one another, knowing what Nikola Tesla's inventions were and that both super powers had similar good information on construction of these devices that actually worked ..... who possibly was going to drop the first shoe after WW11 and try to pull off the same thing the Germans tried to do twice on world domination.

I also found some excellent information on colliders ( streight ) and somewhat similar in construction is the accelerator ( circular ) both having the same cross section or cut away views. This is one from Zwenigorod, Russia the "Tesla Collider" showing power, cabling, water cooling .... kind of a generic construction detail, one of the best I've seen for anyone not knowing how they are made.

http://www.desy.de/conferences/LC97/...eports/065.pdf

Well now I wonder what else is in Tesla's secret past ..... If we could only get some more answers or a few more clues on the "wireless electricity transmission" .... it's there and were getting closer, time will only tell.

Best wishes
Glen

Glen, check out this story: BBC NEWS | Technology | 'Big bang' experiment is hacked

Pretty scary to think their security is so lax, huh?
The hacked computer isn't the one actually used to control the collider, but is one used for analyzing collider data at the Cern facility so is probably tied in to the mainframe. Evidently, the scientists there are ready to do an experiment to recreate a "Big Bang" event, such as the one that supposedly created our universe. That's pretty scary in itself. What if they succeed, and create a bang way bigger than they have imagined possible?

Rick

Your right Rick, they have a big access problem and once a hacker is near to the main frame it's just a matter of time until someone gets inside. The type of experimentation there doing trying to recreate the "Big Bang" event is not only a civil but a military aspiration which makes it a hackers playground. A prime example is the International Space Station and NASA and how many times there security has been breached.

Nigerian Sent to Prison for Hacking NASA Computer - 18 months in prison for deploying malware on a NASA computer - Softpedia
Computer virus goes into orbit | Hacking Truths
NASA, military websites hacked in protest over Israeli bombings - SC Magazine US
Protesters decry NASA hacker's extradition | Security - CNET News

All I can say the powers in control of this project better get a handle on this because of what could happen if Cern is compromised, it may have devastating effects to take this lightly is a huge mistake.

Glen

Earlier in this thread I talked about a conduit system that ran from The Wardenclyffe main building, below ground, to the tower. I also suggested that there must be a pathway along that conduit, if one knew where to look. I have in fact located a photo showing a circular stairway inside a generator room that leads to the underground conduit, and this is shown below:

The generator shown in the background was one of two Westinghouse generators that Tesla was using.

The conduit system supplied the heavy power cables that ran to the tower, and also supplied water. I think that the water was for more than just drinking purposes. Keep in mind that the primary shaft went 120 feet below ground level in an accessible well-like enclosure that was certainly capable of holding thousands of gallons of water. It is said that the walls of this enclosure were specially sealed, so it makes sense. Furthermore, the additional 320 ft of iron pipe below the main shaft would have gone down into the massive aquifer which is found beneath Long Island. I imagine that Tesla had one or two of his large Tesla pumps rigged up to pump water in or out of the mainshaft well. At this point in time no doubt the well would be mostly filled with water that has seeped back inside. If that's the case, then the conduit would probably be filled with water too, but it certainly would be interesting to find the circular staircase and have a look.

Rick

Rick,
Thats some photograph at Wardenclyffe , I would have thought the generator might have been larger but after reading the letter from "Colorado Springs Power" I posted earlier, the amount of power Nikola Tesla needed wasn't as much as I thought being he was using his tesla coil and those dozen or so large oil filled capacitors for his experiments.

It's to bad the metering equipment is unreadable ..... looks as though this area is "usable" and operational not like many articles and reports of a totally failed system.

Also I will be posting latter today or tomorrow some "VERY" compelling information on the Philadelphia Experiment and the USS Eldridge (DE-173) as soon as I get all my thoughts together on my findings ..... your gonna like this one !!

Glen

Hi All,
The Philadelphia Experiment has been of interest to many because of the possible connection to Nikola Tesla and his experimentation in wireless transmission of power and other devices he was working on. There was several problems to Tesla's involvement the location and possible time lines of the USS Eldridge (DE-173) and the alleged naval military experiment.

USS Eldridge (DE-173) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I first looked at the ship the USS Eldridge (DE-173) and found it was made at the "Federal Shipbuilding and Dry Dock Company" in Newark, New Jersey.
Newark Bay Shipyard

The ship specifications are "DE-173" a Cannon-class destroyer escort from the Department of the Navy, Naval Historical Center is interesting

USN Ships -- by Hull Number: DE -- Escort Ships

Quote:

The DE hull number series came into being in 1941, in conjunction with a program to build escort ships for transfer to the British under Lend Lease. However, concept formulation for specialized ocean escorts had begun earlier in that year, taking as point of departure an abortive late 1940 design for small (1175-ton), slow (24.5-knot) destroyers (DD-503 through DD-506).

The initial 50 DEs (classified as "Escort Vessels" or "Escort Ships", though the DE designation falls in the destroyer series and has been frequently mis-interpreted to mean "Destroyer Escort") were ordered on British account as BDEs (with the letter "B" for "British"), as were a subsequent 250, but most of these 300 ships were later reallocated to the U.S. Navy. As World War II went on the type was further developed, incorporating a lengthened hull and a variety of diesel and steam power plants, resulting in six distinct classes (three propelled by diesels and three by steam turbines).

There is something not brought up about the British having the first 300 ships of this series were looking at DE-173 the ship was sponsored by Mrs. John Eldridge, Jr., widow of Lieutenant Commander Eldridge. The ship yard is small and these ships were common being built around the United States for Great Britain, France and the United States also, and these ships were never totally fitted in dry dock they were taken to other areas for final fitting of equipment and supplies. This information of the first 300 ships and who got them lets assume for now a class "DE" Escort ship thats Length: 306 feet, Beam: 36 feet 8 inches, 1240 tons with Complement for 186 officers and men ....... this is a big "boat".

It was known that some sources have suggested that the myth of the Philadelphia Experiment grew out of wartime stories of 'degaussing' ships. This very real process involved passing an electric current down cables strung along the flanks of ships in order to counter the threat of German magnetic mines, which were designed to detonate when they detected the conducting body of a ship travelling through the Earth's magnetic field. This is the type of thing Tesla would possibly be involved with as he had a great knowledge in electrical magnetism as we all know and possibly involved in experimenting with this size of ship others were researching radar cloaking technology with the top minds in physics, including John Hutchenson, Emil Kurtenhour, Albert Einstein, Von Neumann and Tesla.

I started wondering where this kind of experimentation could be done, certainly not in Philadelphia, PA a shipping building yard with thousands of people running around classified experiments or any other ship building yard with a 300 foot long ship. When starting to look the first place I thought was the favorite stomping ground for Tesla and the US military "Long Island" and found many Forts around "Montauk" Camp Hero ....



Some of these Forts are large and some small and one being used today ..... Fort Wright to many civilians no good mooring, Fort Terry is Plum Island a division of Home Land Security is there experimenting with bio hazard stuff ... stay clear of that place .... no good mooring though
Plum Island Animal Disease Center - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Plum Island Animal Disease Center : Home
DHS | Plum Island Animal Disease Center
Fort Michie is way to small and now privately owned by questionable sources and Fort Tyler way scary to small on the tip of Gardiner Island


Then there's Gardiner Island a private place the largest island in the United States owned by the same family now for almost 400 years, this is a island that has been through Indian fights invaded by Pirates the British twice that once they burnt down all the homes and barns taking everything. The Island owned originally by Lion Gardiner in 1639 bought from the Indians for a large black dog and some blankets and nick knacks.
Gardiners Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Last Lord Of Gardiners Island - The New York Times
East End Lighthouses New York Gardiners Island Lighthouse
Gardiners Island: What Next? -- Newsday.com
History of East Hampton, New York Chapter 6
Untitled
The Magazine of American History ... - Google Book Search (1-30 pages 1636 Lion to 1882 Lyon)

Theres one problem though it's not a Fort or Camp no government nothing can be found in record ...... but wait look a little closer is there anything there ....


All kinds of things a big dirt air port and what looks like a lookout tower "red" balloon on the north coastline ..... this resembles a wooden light house that was destroyed in the mid 1800's by a hurricane farther north (Fort Tyler) it was 16 feet above sea level ....


The military has been here ...... what has happened is the twelfth desendent owner Lyon Gardiner had ran into financial problems and the military has been leasing the island from what it looks like 1929 through the end of WW11 or maybe longer. If you look at the main mansion on the top of the hill in my photograph you will see red dots with concrete square areas rowed up the house was originally wood not rock, brick or concrete, remember Camp Hero had buildings that were bunkers that looked like cottages with underground utilities ...... look three black pick-up trucks .....



There's one big problem we need a dock thats big enough for a 300 foot long ship and the Philadelphia Experiment has maybe two ships there, the farm animals are no problem to get it's a huge farm, secluded easy to control how many people witness any kind of experiments done not a part of the US military known Forts or Camps has military protection everywhere around it ..... perfect but wheres the dock ...... 1500 feet from the existing dock today.





As you can see from the photographs from World Map, Online Maps, Satellite Maps - National Geographic, this is at a "LOW" tide the pond behind the reef looks dry, its a 600 foot long heavy duty dock ..... amazing I looked at lots of photos and never saw it but there it is, a dock big enough for my two class "DE" Escort ships.

There also was several other things going on at the time the army was in control of "Camp Upton" now Brookhaven National Laboratory was also working on Radar systems the most known was Fort Monmouth, New Jersey .... Sandy Hook, at the entrance to New York Bay
Chapter 4-H.M.Davis - SigC Dev. of Army Radar Equipment - Part 1
The one not know much about was the Block Island Rhode Island, Harbor Detection Radar Station said to be constructed in 1943 but little is known about this installation other that it was there, and would be capable of reaching and seeing Gardiner Island.
Block Island South East Lighthouse National Historic Landmark Nomination
U.S. Naval Activities, World War II, by State [Rhode Island]

I was saving some of the best for last ..... did you notice the name of the original owner of Gardiner Island ...... "Lion Gardiner" in 1639 and his twelth desendent "Lyon Gardiner" in 1929 and the class "DE" Escort ship USS Eldridge (DE-173) has in common. The USS Eldridge (DE-173) was sold to Greece 15 January 1951, renamed HS Leon (D-54) ......... pronounced the same spelled different.

A new twist to the "Philadelphia Experiment" ...... if true what and where did it really happen ..... any guesses ??? I have mine possibly.....

There is also a new "Google Earth" KMZ file with the past Russia and this added ..... enjoy !!
RapidShare: Easy Filehosting

Glen

Hi All,

There were several items I needed to add to the last posting on the Philadelphia Experiment some of which are images of the lone North lookout to show details that can be seen of the same nature at Shadmoor and Camp Hero State Parks lookout bunkers on Long Island.



The other important item is a document lifting the "restricted" airspace above Gardiner's Island by the FAA, as the U. S. Navy has determined that this restricted airspace area is no longer necessary to support Department of Defense missions.

http://fdsys.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-19...f/96-13156.pdf

This is strange "restricted" air space above a privately owned civilian island ..... any guesses ...... I have mine ......

Regards,
Glen

Nice virtual detective work

I checked the nautical charts for "Gardner's Bay", and the water there by the old dock ruins is indeed deep enough for those DE's that had only a 9 ft Draft (14 to 22 ft of water there at low tide).

NOAA Nautical Charts - OceanGrafix - Chart Block Island Sound and Gardiners Bay; Montauk

Nice find on the restricted air space I can imagine rich folk getting that kind of juice.. But for a mostly deserted summer home? Doesnt seem worth turning in the favors to get it. Good chance it was some sort of secret government installation during the War, but what?

Hi jibbguy,
Thanks for the information on the nautical charts, I did'nt think about them after reading how many times British ships anchored in the harbor and knew it had to be fairly clear. The really cool thing is the chart has a "cable area" marked I was wondering where the fuel tanks for any generators were and thought they may be buried somewhere. This brings a new light on things to have a primary power supply from Long Island 2.5 miles underwater ... you were saying something about "juice" no expenses spared here.

The thing thats odd is on the other end from Gardiner Island power house it's easy to spot large building by the dock ruins, the Long Island end in "Fireplace" thats another area of interest ( 41 02' 58.07"N, 72 09' 06.40"W ). The "Fireplace Lodge Girls Camp" if thats what they call it .... ok, another no background large area that looks really dated and not really like some girls camp ..... Navy girls ...... maybe ?

Regards,
Glen

Aromaz

According to the book anti-gravity and the world grid there are 20 points on the earth that have magnetic gravity anomaly points (Local magnetic reversal). These include Giza, coral castle,Alice springs, Lop Nor in China etc. I have not been able to find any additional supporting evidence for this, ie local magnetic variation maps - anyone used a compass at coral castle?

I'll try and upload some world pattern diagrams later -they could be BS, who knows!

Glen, check out this beautiful piece of machinery used on Navy vessels during World War I for radio transmission. Be sure to read the caption below the photo.

Hi Rick,
Thats a great photograph of a ship wireless telegraph transmitter, I can see why Tesla hired Fritz Lowenstein as his chief engineer in New York prior to Colorado Springs and Wardenclyffe to work with him on his projects, a very talented man. There is also the Germany "Telefunken" site that Lowenstein and Tesla worked together on prior to WW1 and later, using vacuum tubes for experiments in radio transmitters and receivers.

I found a interesting article on the Navy during WW1 on how they took all foreign patents for their use and how they handled the race for wireless communication on ships and patent infringement problems with the vender's they used from WW1 to WW11. The Navy didn't mess around and wasn't going to get caught in the middle of the disputes and lawsuits at all.

Howeth: Chapter XXXI (1963)

Best Regards,
Glen

Hi All,

I found a very interesting accurate historical account of the (Woodville Landing) Shoreham, New York area by Mary Lou Abata, on the people, animals, plants, geography with maps and excellent data, it's about 50 pages long hand typed and written in the 1970's. It also goes into details of the "Wardenclyffe-on-Sound" housing project of J.S. Warden with the Suffolk County Land Company and Mary Lou Abata only has two pages dedicated to Nikola Tesla with some information I haven't seen anywhere else. She's not trying to sell Tesla and being the rest of her work is a very accurate, it seems to be credible.

http://www.shorehamvillage.org/Shore...bata_hstry.pdf

Quote: Page 24

His plan at Wardenclyffe was to build a world wireless broadcasting system (radio) and a world-wide power transmission station, His system would provide universal distribution of news and music, interconnection of all world telephone, telegraph, and stock tickers, establishment of a secret government communication system and a private intelligence system, and the establishment of a marine navigation and spotter system, All wavelength channels were to be broadcast from a single channel, thus creating a radio-broadcasting monoply.

During the winter of 1902 a 154 foot tall mushroom shaped tower was constructed across from the Wardenclyffe Railroad Station. The tower was constructed of wood and copper sheathing and a stairway to a platform near the top. Below the tower was a well 12 feet square and 120 feet deep. A stairway led to the bottom of the well. ( See Fig 16.) Next to the tower was a 100 foot square brick building for the power house and laboratory. Once the tower and laboratory were complete, Tesla stopped his daily commute on the Long Island Railroad and moved into a house overlooking the beach at Wardenclyffe-on-Sound.

However, there were problems completing the interior of the power and wireless station. The 300 horsepower dynamos and motors had to be designed and built specially as did the glass tubes used in transmitting and receiving signals. Tesla was able to carry on several high-frequency current experiments, but the principal project, world-wide broadcasting, lagged, Many of his minor experiments, which lit up the sky at night and produced the smell of ozone, frightened the area residents and gave rise to rumors that Tesla was trying to communicate with Mars or to use the rays to generate electricity, he secrecy that he maintained about his work added fuel to the rumors.

Ironically, a powerful broadcasting station was later developed by RCA two miles away.


Several things of interest here the tower construction with copper sheathing on the wood this could explain the problems of demolition in 1917 for scrap.

The size of the generators were 200 horsepower which was a standard size motor now is up sized to 300 horsepower for the power needed apparently for the world wireless broadcasting system (radio) and a world-wide power transmission station.

The use of glass "tubes" for the transmitting and receiving signals, I can't remember seeing this anywhere else in any shape or form but in this historical account of "Shoreham, NY".

The "Many Minor Experiments" most articles and writers would have you believe the Wardenclyffe venture of Nikola Tesla was a complete failure and never operational.

The most powerful broadcasting station was later developed by RCA "two miles" away (radio city), this was at "Rocky Point" the transmitting station and "Riverhead" the receiving station, both stations we'll go into some fascinating and important details in a later post.

I hope you will find this material on the life and times of the people of the "Shoreham" area in Nikola Tesla's time as interesting as I did, thats somewhere just 60 miles from downtown New York City.

http://www.shorehamvillage.org/Shore...k_of_Views.pdf

Glen