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Pancake coils

Tesla has a patent where he supercools his pancake coils. Maybe there's something in that.
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I did think about it, what would be, if the Current not runs straight throught the Wire, but in Spirals, and push the EM field around there. Go figure.
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@Aromaz, do you believe in the theory bellow?

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Within the central ellipsoid form and the valence structures are found smaller forms (and similarly so for the other element family shapes), which Phillips has managed to relate to protons, neutrons, quarks, and their components. Of course quarks, let alone baryons, leptons, omegons, etc. were unheard of when this information was first published. The smallest particles which make up the physical atom are referred to by Leadbeater and Besant as "ultimate physical atoms", since they seem to be the constituent particle from which all the subatomic particles are built up. They have called these "Anu", after the Sanskrit name for the ultimate particles of matter (it is the same root term used in Anima, "the size of an atom"). There are two types of these, termed + and -. The Anu "particles" are composed of whirls of energy which spin in opposite senses between the + and - varieties. These whirls of energy, when magnified under increasing power by yogic vision, are themselves composed of smaller spirals, and those of smaller spirals, and so on, down through 7 layers of nesting.

The Anu are many orders of magnitude smaller than the subatomic particles, and the subatomic particles are in turn many orders of magnitude smaller than the elemental physical atoms of the periodic chart. The Anu, and more complex particles, all move at enormous velocities, sweeping out the shapes that I am referring to, and the atom is an extremely active thing to see. It is ceaslessly throbbing, pulsating, spinning, gyrating and precessing with amazing rapidity and vigor when so viewed. Not at all like the billiard ball protons and neutrons with the spherical electron shells many would expect to see. But our dashed expectations are our own fault, rather than Nature's. Still, we are better prepared now than at any time before to understand the remaining secrets of atomic structure; we must only recognize that things are far more complex than we have ever previously supposed.(2)
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@Suchayo;
Personally I believe in Electrons (& Positron), Protons, Neutrons, photons.
That is where I stop, as for the rest they can be named as they wish - we
are already 4 steps lower than what we could verify by any means. That is
FOUR levels of theories only

Gravity et all - for me is just coming down to the same thing called Electrons.
For the present, I do not need to work with any other things, these already
seems to give to me what I need. The more I read and experiment with this
as my basis, the more I become convinced we do not need to look much
further than electrons and photons.

It is very possible that there are MANY levels of smaller 'things' but that is
unlikely to be verified soon - other than mathematics.

What we have to look for is another means of utilizing electron energy; since
we do know all the current methods are very uneconomic.
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Aromaz you always are right, a down to earth man.
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Another interresting View and Explanation of Voltages, Watts, Amperes and Ohms. and few other nice Statements.
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Thanks Aromaz . I guess I have to read the "occult chemistry" with that in mind.
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Why are you sure, that negative Energy can be created, as you wrote at the other Thread.
When our Meters lie, as it seems like they do, its probatly positive Energy, what is created.
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I don´t want to start a street fight or something else.
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No, it was a serious Question, just wonder, what it really is.
Figure, when you can create positive Energy, you only would need to look, how you can 'burn' it again, that its gone again.

And as i postet earlier, when you build a galvanic Batterie, the Electrons are mioving from Magnesium to the Graphit.
The Magnesium will be weaker over time, and anyhow dissappear.
But the Meter says, Magnesium is the '-' Pol.

When it shows the same for negative Energy, then its actually positive one.
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But, oh well, when you talk about the Energy between Peoples,
then, there is no Meter for that.
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Yes, Negative energy doesn't exists, but it is the name that some guys had called it

I know what are you saying, Negative energy is a myth.

I can create energy because, the energy is only differential, when you have the difference you have energy.

The universe is asymmetric, entropy exists , negative entropy too.

Negative energy is a bad name, it is negative entropy energy.

To obtain free electrical energy, one has to condense negative entropy energy into a capacitor or a battery.

To obtain negative entropy energy , one has to pulse a coil.
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Um, No, i dont say much about it.
And actually, i think, its the first Time, i did hear about.
But its anyhow deep into Sience for me, and seems like, this Energy is hard to access. Or we do allready in some cases, when we create Energy.

But from most what i know from the basic Stuff from Elektronic or Thermodynamic i do forget about it,
to get my head free for the real Things, and can observe unusual Things better.
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Negative Energy explained

Allow me to give my explanation to this. First we will have to re-define science, else the confusion will just continue – in my usual commoners terms.

Electrons are negatively charged and in a battery they move in direction from negative pole to positive pole. Positrons are the same as electrons, but they are spinning in the opposite way and POSITIVELY charged. In case their energy fields are the same, both annihilate when positron meeting with electron; If their energy levels are not the same, then that amount of energy that are equal neutralize and the remaining (usually part of electron) remains as photons.

Thus taken in fact all universe (and electricity) is in fact NEGATIVELY charged – negative energy. To create the opposite – Positive energy – will just cause neutralization.

Now the non-science:
What some people call NEGATIVE ENERGY does not exist.; unless you include the black holes and particle accelerators! I herewith withdraw all my earlier references to this as well – if I did make it many months ago. It is the wrong understanding of this so called ‘negative energy’ that make so many people believe and chasing this phenomenon of OverUnity – including foolish me.

So, then what the heck am I doing here? By removing as much as possible electrons you will make such environment ‘hungry’ for electrons; which will cause free electrons to rush in to fill that void. This is what some people referred to as ‘negative’ energy.

THAT my dear friends; is exactly the only way we can make our dreams come true. That means the only thing we have to make is a sort of ‘transformer’ – and THAT was Nikola Tesla’s Tower.

Then how to do:
1. Get a material that can act like a capacitor.
2. Extract maximum possible electrons – by forcing that material to expel them, which you do again by reducing the electron charge until they pop off the shell. You get slow moving electron and photon. Expel electrons for example with Microwave or heat.
3. Now have another supply of electrons handy – could be just environment (so called aether) or it could be supply from another mineral – that can fill the space. Bombard this material which is now hungry with electrons.
4. The complete cycle starts all over again.

This will give you potential speed up to that of photons.
This will give you unlimited amount of energy.
The re-generation could be trillions of cycles per second.
Basically – THAT is how ion engines work,
and THAT is the fuel propelling deep space probes; today.

There is also the opposite procedure, which is what I am pursuing at present; that is to super saturate a material with electrons. Direct conversion of some nuclear emission are doing exactly just that!
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Well put

I am of the same mind Aromaz. I posted some stuff in bodkins primary state of matter thread on page 3 about exactly the same principle, just different words. And I came across a theory of magnetism as well.
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Alumunium obstruct energy reading

About not working meter for detecting something seen by antique meter:
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measurements mentioned below were made on an old Galvanometer with coil inside meter "NOT WOUND ON ALUMINIUM!!" Apparently if the meter coil is wound on aluminium it cannot detect the slight current. The meter used was pre 1940's (I think).

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Upon inserting the coil, I observed a slow, steadily increasing deflection of the galvanometer's needle. After about 20 seconds, the meter reached amaximum reading, and remained steady. Removing the coil from the ORAC caused the needle to drop slowly back to zero. Later calibration of the galvanometer (hereafter referred to as the GV) with a millivolt source and a precision resistor revealed that the level of deflection I witnessed was equal to about 30 microamperes (uA). Yet the behavior of the GV indicated a rather un-electrical nature of the current.

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Here lies the portion of my experiments which is the most difficult to explain or present. Quite simply put, I was unable to read any of the aforementioned current effects on any instrument except my antique galvanometer! As I mentioned earlier in this report, the GV was, and is, electrically functional. Using a calibrated millivolt source and a 1.105K ohm resistor, I was able to calibrate the GV, which is unmarked, except for a numerical scale. The meter works.

I have not been able to find any other meter, D'arsonval or otherwise which will read the currents I observed with the GV. I have tried over 10 different brands of micro-ampere range D'arsonval style meters with no success. I was also unable to read the currents with either a Fluke or a Simpson digital multi-meter.

After discovering this paradox, my next step was to take the cover off of my GV and examine its construction. Not surprisingly, I found the GV to have a simple, un-shunted, magnet deflected D'arsonval movement almost identical to any of the other meters I tried. I did find one difference, however. The coil of the GVs meter movement is wound without a frame or support, and apparently is held together by its own shellac coating. On all of the other, modern meters I tried, the movement coils are wound on tiny aluminum frames! I believe that it is this aluminum frame which prevents any modern meter from reading the currents I observed.
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The other experiment about the plants growing next to a metal plate in the dark sounds very Radionic/Orgone to me.

One possible thing you could do is get two metal plates, one copper, one iron or steel. You set the copper plate in the sun, whilst the iron/steel plate is in the dark with your plant. The two plates are joined by a copper wire.

Copper is a very good conductor of Orgone...better than air over a given distance anyway. Iron/Steel, or ferro magnetic materials are good attracters/radiaters of orgone.
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Sorry for no reply for a while,
but things go busy, and there are still surprising things with the Newman thing.

About Meters, i think they use Alloy in it, for no Interferences from Em or magnetic Fields.
And i think it still is more and more a Problem, to measure low Current, because of the Electrosmog, where we have anywhere around.

But at last, i know this, the S-Pole Field turns clockwise
I see it at the Water, when it goes off my Sink.
And i live at the Magnetic S-Side/Europe of the Bowl.
Maybe it can help by any calculations.

But i still cant hook into Negative Energy.
And in this case it probatly means, it is really the other Side of any 'creating' of anything.
I could more figure it like a Drag into one Direction, and the opposite is still the other Pole.
But anyway, i think for now, i prefer to play with, what i got.

@Aromaz you are allowed to give an Answer and thanks for that.
But i am still lost at this concept and i think right now anyhow in other Directions.
I did think about Capacitors too, maybe its simple only Water, or Copper or any other Metals with Water.
When you see, how destilled Water can change in a Batterie with Plump, who know, what else is possible, and Water is only a Key or Emulgator, to access Energy.
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What meter can be used?

It would be nice if we can measure anything we can do in free energy exriment. I think finding the right measuring instrument is important.

Like the example bellow. I can not use multimeter to measure the voltage between the ball and my hand because the multimeter it self become antenna and do not display any value that explain why the light become brighter if grounded.


Would this meter bellow would be usefull for free energy research?
Experimental Life-Energy Field Meter

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Orgonics Energy Meters
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RE: Purple Flasher experiments of yore

I am guessing now that my previous purple Flasher experiments, we had an open ended Conclusion that it may be due to the gas mix in the neons I was using but bodkins haS come across this same effect with an airgap and a long fluorescent tube.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NRmZ5HL...gl=GB&hl=en-GB

And see my videos Inquorate 2482h and 26 on youtube.

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How about the potential vortex model from Meyl? I believe what radiant is is interesting but how to output radiant energy is even more interesting..

We know HV, HF, DC(unipolar pulses) attracts the aether energy. How about HV, HF AC with correct geometry to output the energy in the best way? I believe generating radiant is less hard than outputting it in a good and stable way... Moray used oscillating crystals to output.
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Please indulge me!

I have a question for the group?

Is a Radio Transmitter OU? In other words, does the transmitter feel each radio receiver that tunes to its specific frequency? Is the number of possible receivers 'Infinite' or 'Finite'?

The answer to this question does indeed impact 'Radiant Energy', so is RE infinite or finite?

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Is a Radio Transmitter OU? In other words, does the transmitter feel each radio receiver that tunes to its specific frequency? Is the number of possible receivers 'Infinite' or 'Finite'?

The answer to this question does indeed impact 'Radiant Energy', so is RE infinite or finite?

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Hi,

I do not think a radio transmitter feels each receiver (i.e. its antennas) provided they receive the far field waves. In the so called near fields area a tuned antenna may influence the transmitter antenna by "sucking" energy and actually consuming some part of the radiated energy but at several wavelenghts away this effect should diminish (coupling gradually reduces to zero). I know conventional physics theory denies this and say any receiving antenna actually loads the transmitter antenna regardless of the distance.

So the so-called radiant energy source should not be loaded by a receiving means either, though I do not know if it is also a distance dependent, maybe not.

Thanks for this interesting question.

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Haha, Good Question.
I think, i did ask that myself with 14 years, as i first taped into that Stuff, but never got really an Answer for that.
But anyway, i think, its once the Range, how far a transmitter sends.
At this area, the Receiver got the Signal inductive, and they have amplify it itself, to increase the Signal again.
Therefor, the Receivers wont eat up the other Area of the Signal,
but maybe when you have 2 Receiver close to eachother, they maybe get a lower Signal.
But otherwise, it looks like a big Ocean of Waves.

But at the other Hand, a Friend told me, when you ie. pic up the Frequencies from a Cell phone transmitter,
it has to send with more Watts, to support the Strenght of the Field.
But not sure if that is true, when i think on Wlan, it seems doesnt make a Different for the Signal, if there are 1 or 5 Pc's connected.
And more possible for me, that the Watts are needed to send/recieve Datas from more Devices.

And, when you think on your Energy, what you pick up from Air, well
Tesla did that also, and there been no big Transmitter installed.
So, for me, it looks like, its the Flux of the Earth, nothing else,
and no Reason for Companys to start to cry.
But the other thing, i am not sure about is, when you pick up something from the EM Field of the Earth,
does it matter for the Field, or not, for sure not all this small Devices,
but very much at once do maybe.

But it seems anyway pretty messed up, looks like, we have a delay of 2 Months (behind?) from the Seasons and the Weather.
And not sure, where it comes from, from Nature, or all this Atomtests, where the Earth is shaken or the whole E-Smog we got or other Reasons.
My Newman speeds up in some cases, when i disturbe the Field with a load close to the Core :P.
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I guess it depend on the type of wave. Longitudinal wave would be one to one infinite distance type. While transversal wave would be one to many finite distance type. OU happen at resonant longitudinal wave.

A good illustration:
Longitudinal and Transverse Wave Motion
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This book cover many what Aromaz said, I guess this is waht you read, Aromaz?

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Dr. Moray believed that radium merely retransmits energy that which it receives, that it converts the cosmic rays into electrical particles. He states that it retransmits energy in a form that we recognize. Tesla also entertained this view. There are electrical transformers dotted all over our country receiving transmitted but dangerous high-tension currents from the power stations. These are "transformed" into comparatively safe, low-tension currents for your house. Are the atoms of radium acting as the transformers of a mysterious and unknown source of external energy, first receiving it and then delivering it up again in a form that can be recognized? It may be said that so vague a view, postulating the existence of a limitless and mysterious supply of omnipresent energy, cannot be directly disproved. One thing is for certain: this view provides a way of escape from some of the more distasteful "logical" assertions, namely that all forms of energy are stored within the atoms and molecules.

If radium owes its activity to an energy source outside itself, one has only to isolate it. We have seen that to quench radioactivity, or to modify it in any way is one of the things mainstream science cannot do.
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Then, in the process of convert from negative to positive energy can we ontain OU?

Aromaz, good explication


There is some circuits found on the Web with some strange elements without clear explication, for example the MEG by Jnaudin look the attached pic, What is "Resistor Conditioned"?. JNaudins explains that was burned by using HV. But if Works, WHY, HOW?


I've another schematic very strange too, from Bedini, by using two PM in SuperPole setup and winding magnet wire:

http://amasci.com/freenrg/bedini.txt

This affect CD's surfaces, wine, food.... But can we transform energy with it?
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This book cover many what Aromaz said, I guess this is waht you read, Aromaz?
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@sucahyo; Nope I did not read this book, but the concept and other references - all the same. Interesting.
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Update and some possible answers

Sorry I was quiet for past week. Been on a trip to find very elusive mineral samples - and still looking. Thorium being on top of the list followed by Lithium and Yttrium.

Anyway; I have been pondering this ‘purple light’ flash issue and there is only one possible answer I can get to date - is a direct result of UV.

Remember, when an electron is released / emitted from the atom it also releases other energy in the form of a photon. Because of the strong violent force you have with the short, it is possible that this release of photon is taking place in the UV range – thus giving you purple flash.

I will think more about how to explain this. I see it all the time now in my ‘reactor’, same kind of effect as with plasma cutter or welding machine.

On OU with radio transmitter; First you have to define what you want to use or refer to. Electromagnetic waves (including light, colour, micro and radio) are not direct electrical energy (volt or current). When you are talking of OverUnity in an electrical environment, it is not radio waves.

If you place a VHF transmitter on a table and 100 receivers around it – yes; you have OU in sound waves. But the receivers need electricity to collect and transform that waves to sound again.

Even the old toy crystal radios needs energy to collect; though in that case the energy is from the crystal – and resulting in limited and weak sound. Radio waves from transmitter/receivers can not give you OU in electrical current.

Simple experiment: Take a piece of think plate like Stainless. Put speaker on one side to make the plate vibrate with your sound, even adjust sound vibrations until you get resonance. Now add many (10 / 100) Piezo pick-up sensors. Surely in vibration you have more out than input; but does it give you more electricity?
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@patmac; Converting energy form Negative to Positive - should that be possible; will only leave you with the balance remaining after - cancels out +.
Same as Maths: -15u energy and +21u energy will leave you with +6u energy. Thus you are sitting in exactly the same position.

I am working on a new idea / concept I have about the Atom and related working of Proton, Neutron and Electrons. Seems there were some people (a long time ago) thinking of this in way out different form than what is acceptable to modern science. I do think this approach will make all of you understand the whole working of Electromagnetism better, easy – and most important; WORKABLE.

Once I can define my understanding, I will present it here. Basically it all goes around the same form of Particle-Wave energy called Photons.
Photons = Electrons, Protons, Neutrons, Neutrino's, et al. It is a wonderfull way to think of the Paradox of all universe.
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Therefore we need to find NEW ways, NEW experiments and NEW lines of thoughts.
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