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Old 12-27-2008, 06:06 AM
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Tesla's Stout copper bars "Hairpin Circuit"

Just wanted to wish you all a Merry Christmas!

Thought you might be interested in one of my Tesla projects I have been working on this year. This is what I call the "Tesla's Hairpin Circuit" He only reefers to it as the “Two Stout Copper Bars” not very elegant name so I prefer “the Hairpin”...hope that Tesla does not role over in his grave over this name.

I think that a video will best enplane this one. After all a picture is worth a thousand words...and I hate typing!

YouTube - Tesla Radiant Energy


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Coper bars 3/8 x 4 ft long, I used 10 KV Transformer and a home made spark gap.

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That was really cool. I was super surprised you weren't electrocuted. You said that was just a 'regular' 10000 volt step up converter operating off grid supply? Is the spark gap quenched in any way? I couldn't see too clearly, watch these movies on my phone, but did you put direct short before the lights or only after them? Tesla's are on the base but yours were on the top.

Why weren't you electrocuted? I've had nasty shocks from even c2000v from imhotep ignition coil oscillator using quenched spark gap...
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Hi Karl. Great setup you have there Thank you for sharing.
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I would also like to know that
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Excellent!

Karl,

Thanks for posting the YouTube film. It's great to see some of your work.

Jetijs and Inquorate,

As for why Karl was not electrocuted, there are a number of reasons. First, he's immortal! Second, he knows that Tesla discovered that the body presents a circuit of this type more of a capacitor than a resistor, so the energy just flows through. Electrocution is only a problem when your body presents the opportunity for a significant "voltage drop" to the system. But, in this system, already in a "short circuit" condition, the body presents a very high impedance so no energy can be "dissipated" in the body.

But like Karl says, don't try this with ordinary electric power.

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TWO Solipsists! Very funny!

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Great work and demo video Karl

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Karl, Thanks for sharing, this is amazing.

What Caps did you use?
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Could you post a schematic of your circuit ? I see only one problem, spark gap producing a lot of RF, which others were happily used to disprove your results.That's why Tesla used transformer powered by high frequency generator. No RF, no problems. On copper rods should be more then one stationary wave peak, maybe the second is far higher and shunt must be moved up.RF complicates all results.
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I am traveling for the next few weeks. Sorry, I will respond to your questions in a few weeks. The schematics are in my first posting as an attachment.

I used door knob caps that are rated at 40KV and I think that they are .2 nF that should be .002 uF I think. I will confirm that when I get back. You don;t need that exact cap...just use a cap rated for at least that voltage or higher, and don't use an excessively large cap. I lucked out, as they were the only caps that I had that would handle the voltage I needed. Tesla did not use a cap he made one....! look at his figure....they are just two flat plates I estimate about 2 to 3 inches wide by 4 ish inches long spaced apart with isolators maybe about 1/2 inch maybe 2/4 inch make sure it is bigger than the spark gap in total with both caps adding up to a bigger cap then the spark gap...if you do this you better make sure that there is no arching in that air cap or use a insulate like glass or something....or you might not be that comfortable touching the rods and not report the same results I have had. If you use this home made cap you will be able to adjust the gap to get the results you need.

Tesla is very clear in his description of the circuit, and you can find that in inventions, Researches and Writings or Nikola Tesla (page 192,339,and several other places), and also in Nikola Tesla Lectures (Page 81,197) along with many other wrights of Tesla. I found I got the most out of Tesla after reading Cold war Technologies and lost Science (I think you should read them first).

I used a oil furnace ignition coil rated for 10 KV.

I use carbon welding rods for the spark electrodes...I cut, drill and tap them so they screw onto the bolts I use for adjustments...I also use Tungsten rods...when I chose...what ever I have available.

I have allot to talk about when it comes to the different types of sparks that are generated while doing different types of setups...and I find that the most interesting. That will have to wate, till I get back. the sparks vary in color and property so much that I think that this is the most inserting part of this machine. Some sparks are cold, some will light paper easy others will not burn paper at all. Some sparks will make just make the paper disappear like magic. Some don;t heart to touch others bit like a snake....lol..so be careful.

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water bulb

Hear is another video, hope you like it.

YouTube - Bulb in water

This again is the Hairpin operating on 10 000 V that I stepped up from 120V using a furnace ignition transformer. The spark gap in this setup is quenched with magnets unlike the the last time it was not quenched. Again, I used my hands to direct short out the bulb. Last time I used a test lead also, but I was filming with one had so it would be too hard to short out the bulb with a test lead although, it would still shine bright.

The point of this video is to show that regular TAP water does not short out the energy going to the bulb. The Longitudinal wave does not see the water as a path to follow. The bulbs are 120V 100 and 60 Watt Halogens.

This HAIRPIN circuit of Tesla's is a very important learning tool to understanding radiant energy. Tesla presented it in almost every lecture he gave for a reason. I have done lots of tests with this device and can only show you a very small percent of them as I am not in the video business.

What is interesting is that the energy seems to flow into the circuit from the bulb...not the energy going into the bulb. So the energy is an outflow. Flowing out of the bulb...as if the bulb was a battery. The longitudinal wave creates a node across the bulb, making a potential across the bulb. Finding a bulb with the right inpendence is the secret.

Thought you might like this video

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This video has been removed because it is too long. Regular YouTube videos must be 10 minutes or less.
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I am constructing this apparatus over the weekend possibly even to use later this year in a science fair. I want to make as many things variable so that I can best experiment with this however I don't want to make something variable that doesn't influence effects. Would you be able to tell me what of the following has some sort of influence on the effects produced;
Copper Bar Length
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Capacitance(C and C1 as per Tesla's lecture)

Tesla states "These results, as I have pointed out previously, should not be considered to be due exactly to frequency but rather to the time rate of change which may be great, even with low frequencies." so I'd say a variac would be a good component to use however I'll just use a simple variable 555 timer circuit driving an ignition coil for the transformer in this circuit.

Also is there anything more you'd suggest I look at? Oh and by the way, awesome reconstruction. I did see this a little while ago and was quiet impressed.
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Raui,

From what I have learned so far is is solid copper is best, but coper tubes will also work good. I have tried steal rods, aluminum rods and coper tubes as well and also mixed them. They all work...but I like the copper solid rods best but the coper tubes also work. Personally if I was going to do it again the aluminum rods are very close to the copper rods.

The biggest variable is the spark gap ... that is where it all happens. I have used air quench and magnetic and heat. I like the magnetic best. You also need a way to adjust the gap when running...so think about that....Tesla's way is best. I use a long wooden screwdriver to adjust mine...but I can not recommend that to you...

you don't need very long bars .... 2 feet tall will work just nice mine are 4 ft tall.

I have not tried to change the caps yet....so I don;t know what different sizes will do..but mine are 40 KV .002 uF I think.

I would make them just like Tesla did with to flat plates spaced apart ... and maybe use glass or Plexiglas to make sure it does not jump the gap.

You need a good transformer. I think that I would not use any less then 7 KV I think that 20 would be better, but don't use more than the caps are rated for...

Make your stand steady...you don't want anything to move and you need good stable connections. This is high voltage so you need to make is safe. This stuff can relay hurt you. So dubble check everything. Have someone there when you use it just in case you have an awakening moment.

Standard bulbs will not last so use Halogen bulbs. They will last a very long time.

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Hear is another video, hope you like it.

YouTube - Bulb in water

This again is the Hairpin operating on 10 000 V that I stepped up from 120V using a furnace ignition transformer. The spark gap in this setup is quenched with magnets unlike the the last time it was not quenched. Again, I used my hands to direct short out the bulb. Last time I used a test lead also, but I was filming with one had so it would be too hard to short out the bulb with a test lead although, it would still shine bright.

The point of this video is to show that regular TAP water does not short out the energy going to the bulb. The Longitudinal wave does not see the water as a path to follow. The bulbs are 120V 100 and 60 Watt Halogens.

This HAIRPIN circuit of Tesla's is a very important learning tool to understanding radiant energy. Tesla presented it in almost every lecture he gave for a reason. I have done lots of tests with this device and can only show you a very small percent of them as I am not in the video business.

What is interesting is that the energy seems to flow into the circuit from the bulb...not the energy going into the bulb. So the energy is an outflow. Flowing out of the bulb...as if the bulb was a battery. The longitudinal wave creates a node across the bulb, making a potential across the bulb. Finding a bulb with the right inpendence is the secret.

Thought you might like this video

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Please keep posting your experiments,
you are doing a great job.

I too believe the energy is NOT flowing as one would expect it to flow to light the bulb.
I too believe the bulb is lit due to forces outside of the bulb and outside of the circuit.

Energy in the circuit indirectly, but not directly, allows energy from outside the bulb to light it.

Hot electricity is expanding, an outward force.
Cold electricity is contracting, an inward force.

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Thank you very much for that Karl as I am fairly young and don't have a lot of income to throw away (16 and getting paid $70-140AUD a month) doesn't help my situation especially since there is not alot of places close by I can go for things like capacitors. I might try and make my own capacitors similar to what Tesla patented which are variable I'll post everything when its all done.

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Hi Karl,

Thanks for your presentation of this circuit last weekend and taking the time to answer questions in Waldorf MD. It was amazing to see how a regular spark can change when you added that shunt on top. I've been going through all the Tesla papers I have collected and seeing them in a new light. I also found the directions for how to encase coils in wax. Thanks again...

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Hi all,

A video of Karl's presentation of this circuit is currently being uploaded to youtube.com on hydroalternation's channel. There are videos of other presentations as well.

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hot electricity = particles (electrons)
cold electricity = wave

if you take a lot of waves shifted in phase and combine you will get wave packets behaving like small particles...
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More info on the HairPin

My friend Michel has posted some of the info, from my build of the HairPin of Tesla

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Hope this helps anyone interested in this.

Had fun showing this device to those that shewed up at the AECP 2009 conference in Waldorf MD

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Hi Karl,

I just ordered four 20KV 1000pf capacitors from eBay, and thinking about pairing 2 caps in parallel to get 2000pf for each set of caps. So each set of parallel caps would get a voltage rating of 20KV at 2000pf. I also ordered an ignition transformer that outputs 10KV just like your setup.

Is a rating of 20KV good enough for my setup? If I put the caps in series then the rating would go up to 40KV, but then the capacity would only be 500pf per set of caps. Would 500pf still give me the same scalar effects?

BTW, excellent demo videos. Looking forward to seeing more of your videos. I can't wait to see some scalar effects with my setup!

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I just ordered four 20KV 1000pf capacitors from eBay, and thinking about pairing 2 caps in parallel to get 2000pf for each set of caps. So each set of parallel caps would get a voltage rating of 20KV at 2000pf. I also ordered an ignition transformer that outputs 10KV just like your setup.

Is a rating of 20KV good enough for my setup? If I put the caps in series then the rating would go up to 40KV, but then the capacity would only be 500pf per set of caps. Would 500pf still give me the same scalar effects?

BTW, excellent demo videos. Looking forward to seeing more of your videos. I can't wait to see some scalar effects with my setup!

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I have only played with this hairpin. I have only used these caps, but you should be fine with your setup. Just remember to be careful. With any setup you need to test and see if the device is safe to touch. You are overrating your caps like I did so that is a good start. I have used Aluminum instead of copper and had great results. Aluminum is much cheaper so I can recommend that. I just left mine in Copper as it is a tribute to tesla...and wanted to keep it as close as tesla had. Build safe,

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Thanks for the info.

I'll definitely use aluminum first. Copper is way too expensive right now.

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I have only played with this hairpin. I have only used these caps, but you should be fine with your setup. Just remember to be careful. With any setup you need to test and see if the device is safe to touch. You are overrating your caps like I did so that is a good start. I have used Aluminum instead of copper and had great results. Aluminum is much cheaper so I can recommend that. I just left mine in Copper as it is a tribute to tesla...and wanted to keep it as close as tesla had. Build safe,

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I think we need now a nice experiment which will prove that radiant energy observed here is not HF normal current or how those two are related to each other.

What was the frequency used in your experiment on primary oscillator side ? How we can measure frequency of output stage where bulbs are connected ? I think it could be possible with a special bulb which generate different spectrum of light depending on current frequency but I don't know where to find it or how to make it.

Did you ever tried to place broken incandescent bulb on output stage of your hairpin circuit ?
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Broken incandescent bulbs glow like a florescent bulb. But what I think shows that this is not normal energy is first, the bulbs light in normal tap water, if it was skin effect the water should short out the energy from making it to the bulb. Second there is no shock to the person touching the water or the wires at anytime. Third, when you short out the bulb with a jumper lead (test lead) the bulb stays lit and the lead stays cold. Forth when you hook a 12V bulb in series with a florescent bulb they both light.

I do not know what frequency the circuit is running as I have found no equipment that works in the presence of the hairpin.

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I think we need now a nice experiment which will prove that radiant energy observed here is not HF normal current or how those two are related to each other.

What was the frequency used in your experiment on primary oscillator side ? How we can measure frequency of output stage where bulbs are connected ? I think it could be possible with a special bulb which generate different spectrum of light depending on current frequency but I don't know where to find it or how to make it.

Did you ever tried to place broken incandescent bulb on output stage of your hairpin circuit ?
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Broken incandescent bulbs glow like a florescent bulb. But what I think shows that this is not normal energy is first, the bulbs light in normal tap water, if it was skin effect the water should short out the energy from making it to the bulb. Second there is no shock to the person touching the water or the wires at anytime. Third, when you short out the bulb with a jumper lead (test lead) the bulb stays lit and the lead stays cold. Forth when you hook a 12V bulb in series with a florescent bulb they both light.

I do not know what frequency the circuit is running as I have found no equipment that works in the presence of the hairpin.

Karl
Hi Karl,

I appreciate your efforts and build, excellent work . I'm curious about the incandescent lamps your using with broken filaments, most common bulbs today use low pressure gas inside them like argon, neon or nitrogen and the other group of xenon, krypton and halogen. Could it be possible that just being the combination of two internal light bulb terminals with the high voltage and frequency is igniting the "inert" gas inside the bulb, no radiant energy involved ?

I think maybe the "spark gap" unit may be a RF (radio frequency) metering problem ..... could be wrong .....

I really like your DANGER warnings it's "very" important for this puppy

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Hi Karl,

I recently saw a video with your presentation at AEPC 2009 and in it you had a black book that was published by the Tesla Musuem in Belgrade. What was the title of that book, or the contents in it?

I'm asking because it appeared as if that book was something that has not been seen before, although the Tesla Museum had only published three books altogether.

Also, from your experiments have you found the minimum voltage necessary to achieve these effects? I know you used 10kV Franceformer in the presentation and also mentioned 5kV, though it was not clear whether it did perform or not.

Oh, and as a side note, someone in the audience said that Belgrade was in Romania, which I find funny because Tesla was Serbian, born in Croatia, and immigrated to USA. Guess they were not paying attention...

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It's 3:40am here for me. And I can't sleep.

I'm thinking, 'does everybody know that the principle behind the hairpin circuit that produces scalar waves - is the primary of tesla's magnifying transmitter; that the secondary is of the same mass..'

I've been going over all of tesla's lectures AGAIN and it's the only thing that makes sense..

So I'm going to replicate the hairpin circuit. and play with actual scalar / longitudinal compression waves / radiant energy

As opposed to the hertzian electricity at high frequency and high voltage RF that most of us here are still mistakenly? playing with.

Scrapping all previous projects. AGAIN.

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Good thinking, though i have a funny feeling were both going to end up in the same place where we want to be ;-)

keep me posted on the hairpin !!!!!!!!
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I'm thinking, 'does everybody know that the principle behind the hairpin circuit that produces scalar waves - is the primary of tesla's magnifying transmitter; that the secondary is of the same mass..'
True, but I do not see a secondary in this hairpin configuration, just the primary?

For one, Karl has replaced the step-up process in the original circuit, with the HV transformer and feeds that directly into the HV condensers.

This bears a question though was Tesla using G, p and s in Fig.183 to achieve some really high potentials or was there another reason for it. As far as I recall he made some pretty cool G(enerators) with 100s of poles which could produce millisecond alternations of high potentials.

So why then step it up again through p/s of another coil?

Makes me also wonder what was stopping Tesla from making a 110v -> 10kV transformer at the first place and not go through the hassle of using the generator and p/s coil??
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Aluminum Hairpin Circuit

Hello,

Here are five pictures of my Tesla "hairpin device". The rods are 1/2" diameter aluminum, 3 feet tall and had a 13 inch rod across the top.

The transformer is an ignition transformer, 10KV @ 23MA. I'm using high voltage wires that can handle 20KV. I think they are 16 gauge.

The capacitors are rated at 16KV and 150pF, I think. They were from Russia, I believe. The F(farads) looks like a zero with a slash going down through it (150n phi symbol), and the volts are labeled B. It is considerably lower than Karl's capacitors of 2000pF each. I'm still waiting for my 20KV, 1000pF x 4. I'll parallel a pair to get the required 2000pF each.

When I run it, I get a combo hot flame with capacitative discharge because it will burn paper and it makes loud crackling noise. This is unlike Karl's where his just leaves little holes in his paper to make it feel/look like tissue after it has placed between the spark gap. When I remove the load (the aluminum bar running across the top), the noise changes to a softer but hotter crackle between the carbon gouging rods. I don't want to touch the two vertical rods because I suspect there is a mixture of normal high voltage and radiant voltage, as evidence by the sparks/arc burning the paper.

See at 2:40 this video:
YouTube - Karl Palsness AEPC 2009 Tesla Hairpin Circuit Part 6

Maybe when I get my larger capacitors, I will get better results. So I'm guessing that in order to get the desired or correct radiant results, the arc/sparks should not burn the paper, but only put holes in it. @Karl, is this correct?

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Looks sweet

If you could post a video of it it'd be really appreciated, the sound and form of the spark etc, so others like myself looking to replicate know what to avoid as well as to try for.

Love and light
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