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Old 12-16-2008, 09:18 PM
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Self-Running Ambient Heat Engine

Hi Guys,

I posted some of this in the DWFTTW thread, but want to focus on this here.

The idea of being able to operate a heat engine from heat in the ambient air was first fully conceived and described by Nikola Tesla in his article The Problem of Increasing Human Energy, published in June 1900. Here's a link to the full article.

"The Problem of Increasing Human Energy" by Nikola Tesla

By 1936, Bob Neal had figured out how to use ordinary compressed air to accomplish Tesla's concept. His US Patent #2030759 can be downloaded from any of the web based patent Services. I use "Patent-to-PDF" at:

PAT2PDF - Free PDF copies of patents: Download and print! Just type in the number and download the file.

For the full story on the miracles possible with compressed air, go to the awesome site built by Scott Robertson at:

Pneumatic Options Research Library: Home Page

And definitely take a look at this new page describing the "Equalization Engine" here:

Equalization Engine, Luther's Secret for Self-Fueling Air Car

The "Self-Running Ambient Heat Engine" is a HEAT PUMP that gathers solar energy in the form of ambient air heat, concentrates that heat, and then converts it to mechanical energy. The outputs are mechanical energy and air that is cooler than the ambient temperature. The engine runs on the heat extracted from the air. There is good math, science and working models in support of this technology.

This is the same principle as the Ron Rockwell Air Turbine Engine:

Aerodynamic Air Turbine Engine

If the planet is warming up, this is the IDEAL source of energy. Even if it is not, Tesla said it was the ideal source of energy because it was evenly distributed to EVERYONE in the whole world!

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The Sun has every thing we need

Also a 15 year old can do it, i am sure we can do it if we work hard enough. Dont forget Maruf at only 15 years of age did it also.
Compressed Air

Thanks for these Peter.
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Old 12-18-2008, 06:12 AM
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Hi Peter,

Sounds good to me. hook up the horses and let's get
this hay wagon on the road

Question: Other than heat damage to heat sensitive materials,
can a heat engine, in an open system, have too much heat?

Peter, are you going to help out with some guidance along the way?
There is so much to take in and research.

The concept as shown on the web page
Neal Tank has greater of room for a flexibility than the Patent does.

What isn't flexible is, the injector.
Replication of
(1)Neal Tank's ESSENTIAL COMPONENTS: #4,#,5 and#6
Or (2) B.Neal Patent's Fig #6 (brute force injection?, not an injector)
Or another design.
Without an injector device, the efficiency and heat will be lost.
The injectors I've studied do not look like either of the above designs.

A follow up on "Self-Acting Engine" (as Tesla calls it) by Peter Lindemann (a forgotten article Peter?)

Above link mentions:
Quote:
German physicist, Dr. Bernhard Schaeffer and Russian inventor Albert Serogodski, building on the pioneering work of Doczekal.
German Patent #DE 4244016A1 capable of being embodied as a refrigerator that produces electricity rather than consumes it.
Didn't find anything on the patent above, but found this, covers 3 patents
Bernhard SCHAEFFER - Benzene-Steam Engine
I've yet to read the above link.

Anyone, Everyone, More Info, need more Links!!

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Old 12-20-2008, 01:23 PM
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Thumbs up Simplified Tesla Engine

Tesla's Reciprocating Engine is pretty complex, but a greatly simplified
version has been proven and is available.

You don't need a machine shop to build this engine.

The engine runs on air, steam or gases from combustion,
has no valves, gears, flywheel, cam or rings. Requires no lubrication, no governor and no regulator.
It self oscillates using an air spring at the same frequency if 10 psi or 400 psi is used or if under a load.

[B]The simplified design is a cylinder, a piston, grooves, vents and a shaft.

It is 100% Tesla, without the complexity of the design he patented.
Tolerances are very low and the piston should not be a tight fix because
it floats upon the working medium.

Build instructions are free and donations are welcome. I donated.
Link to web page is Downloads from the web site Peter gave a link to when he started this topic.
(Pneumatic Options Research Library: Home Page)
On the link above, scroll down towards the bottom until you find
"Tesla Air Engine Plans" and download taep.pdf 6.08 mb.
The build instructions start on page 77 of taep.pdf .
For those that do not know, you can rotate sideways pages in a pdf via
the View / Rotate View .

The only thing left out of the simplified design is the preheating of working medium.
Tesla used lubrication in his design to keep the patent office happy??

I'm looking into how I can create the piston out of epoxy resin for air testing.
I've selected 1" pvc for the piston, which I'm thinking I'll fill with epoxy,
and 1 1/4" pvc for the cylinder. The shaft might be the water meter valve off/on
tool I got at Home Depot for under $4. that will be one solid piece, going through the piston and not treaded.
I do not have a caliber, but the 1" pvc appears to be 1 5/16" O.D.
and the 1 1/4" appears to be 1 11/64" I.D.
I wanted to go with a larger diameter piston but this is what I could
fine first that seems like it should work.
My plans have change a few times already as my "I think" proves to be no
good and I have to try a different method.

I'm hoping I can get it together this weekend and maybe test it
on Monday.
Epoxy is ok up to 350 F degrees for steam. Don't know what could be
used to mold a piston beyond that temp.

Have a good day.
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Tesla's Reciprocating Engine is pretty complex, but a greatly simplified version has been proven and is available.

You don't need a machine shop to build this engine.

I'm hoping I can get it together this weekend and maybe test it
on Monday. Epoxy is ok up to 350 F degrees for steam. Don't know what could be used to mold a piston beyond that temp.

Have a good day.
Randy
Randy - Some good ideas for useful experimentation. You will have a problem if using the pipe sizes as suggested, though, because the "piston" od is 9/64" (0.141") larger than the "cylinder" id, and if you bore the cylinder to accommodate the piston then the wall thickness of the cylinder will be severely reduced. Please view the following post link for a solution to your PVC pipe and epoxy problems:
http://www.energeticforum.com/39063-post192.html

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Old 12-20-2008, 10:40 PM
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Randy - Some good ideas for useful experimentation. You will have a problem if using the pipe sizes as suggested, though, because the "piston" od is 9/64" (0.141") larger than the "cylinder" id, and if you bore the cylinder to accommodate the piston then the wall thickness of the cylinder will be severely reduced. Please view the following post link for a solution to your PVC pipe and epoxy problems:
http://www.energeticforum.com/39063-post192.html

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Yep, you are correct sir! Big time trouble..
But I already man-handled the one pvc pipe inside the other and it was easy.
Therefore, I think I meant 11/32" instead of 11/64".
My eyeball and 1' ruler were not in sink.

Oh, epoxy .. hmmm I shall take look-see

Thank you Rick.

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Old 12-23-2008, 04:08 AM
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Hi Randy, Rick, Peter, and Ashtweth.

I'm new here to this forum but have encountered most of you out there before in other places.

Randy, let me know how that oscillating motor works out. I don't know of anyone who's used those plans so hope it works. I never thought to make it from plastic. I suppose the weight of the piston will affect the resonant frequency at which it oscillates.

Ashtweth, in your calculations on the Lee Rogers 4-cycle air engine, have you ever wondered whether the patent tells the whole truth on exactly where that blast of 600 psi air enters the cycle? I've heard rumors that it isn't on the power stroke. Someone told me it was between the intake and compression stroke, in order to "cool the compression" but that isn't a valid reason. Pressure equalization is a zero-net-temperature change isn't it? Seems like expanding a pulse of air in a cylinder is going to heat the air already there as much as its gonna cool itself, for a net change of isothermal or zero. So it looks like it's about compressing air with air to get a lower work requirement from the compression stroke. I've been working on that since 1988. In my head of course, I don't always have a workshop.

Peter, thanks again for helping me out with your phone calls back when I lived in Oregon. Whether we figured out Bob Neal's intentions perfectly or not, I don't know, but I think it's a lot closer than the Neal Tank page on my website.

That idea still looks good but I think the drive jet will have to be very powerful.

Well anyway thanks for this forum and I'll be back next week. I live in Asia now and don't have internet access every day.

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Old 12-23-2008, 06:18 AM
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Scott,

Welcome. I am so glad you found your way to this forum. I loved all of the thought experiments we ran out in detail during those phone conversations, and especially your descriptions of the "equalization engine" designed to get the air that was already compressed to act as the main agent to introduce and compress new ambient air (heat) into the tank.

I continue to believe that this is one of the most important technologies that humanity could ever develop, and we all have you to thank for compiling all of the historical documents and presenting them in a way that conveys their real meaning.

Thanks again for showing us the way! I have no doubt that we will figure out a fully operating method soon!

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Hi Scott and all.

Scott, yes i believe i read some where that Lee rogers left out how his engine was perpetual also. So that would not surprise me. We have an air car concept loosely based on lee rogers one given to us from Hector, its a little extreme but apparently one of the engineers got the car to turn over on it at one stage. did not work 100% but was a good start. I can send you the file if you like just drop me an email
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Randy, let me know how that oscillating motor works out. I don't know of anyone who's used those plans so hope it works. I never thought to make it from plastic. I suppose the weight of the piston will affect the resonant frequency at which it oscillates.
Scott,
Many thanks for your web site .
Glad you could find us.. you did *find* us or?
I hope you can get by the forum to share your knowledge.

The engine is coming along, slower than I had hoped.
It's hand built except for using an electric drill and along ways from prefect.
I'm hoping to test it in the Tuesday. Holding it in front of my face and
working the shaft by hand produces puffs of exhaust air as it should.

I have many questions, but I just now found
John D. Houston's patent 1,781,062 from 1930
and was wondering if you or Peter had any thoughts about it.
I had seen it somewhere else before, this time I saved it, but I've
not read it yet. I searched your documents and did not get a hit.

Thoughts about Rudolf Steiner "Theory of Heat". I could not
find this document, but looks like it would be in German if I did find it.
I found Abstracts of Available Books & Lecture Series' by Rudolf Steiner



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Old 12-30-2008, 06:32 AM
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Vortex,

What you are looking for is the Warmth Course by Rudolph Steiner.

Here is one place to get a copy. You can also look for others.

Warmth Course - Rudolf Steiner

Oh, and YES, the John Houston patent is one of the cornerstones of the proof that you can make a very efficient "heat pump" using nothing more than compressed air. No special "freon" type chemicals are necessary. Rex Research has a great file on Houston.

John Huston -- Heat from Air

You are coming up to speed quickly, now! Keep up the great work.

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I agree with Peter that - I think he means the air engine - is a very important idea. I think if we will go on, we must find out a technology which don't destroy our resources (oil get destroyed when we burn it in our engines: cars, stoves, ...)
Thanks so much for Lutherman/Scotts information. I get if from him month ago. I am a little bit depressed that he stopped working on a self-fueling air engine. I hope he/you go on working on an efficient air engine. It would be a loss for us all I you stop thinking and working on an engine.

But we must consider: If we want a effective air engine it must generate a high amount of energy.
There are so many ideas out there but most of them are only ideas:

I had several contacts with Rob Perry. He is working on an air engine. (US 6629573).
There is Kim Zorzi. He said to me that he finished his prototype. He plans a presentation for the next weeks. His description seems to be very promising.

I know the patent or Mr. Houston. But a patent file is not enough! Did he ever built a prototype? What amount of energy does this engine generate?

I found two remarkable inventions (source: Peswiki.com)
1. The invention of Airtap/airgenerate. This invention (for heating water) es based upon the principle of a heat pump.
2. GLOBAL E.A.R.S. Increases Pneumatics Efficiency: It is a more efficient air system.

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First try

Thank you Peter and Alana for the information and encouragement.
I'll be digging into that information shortly.
Stick around, I'll need all the help I can get.

Pulsing / Oscillating seems to be a common requirement for obtaining
access to energy that would not otherwise exist or could be accessed.
Water, rotating mass, electricity, gases, etc. pulse these and energy that
wasn't there appears or is it just a concentration of energy.

Water and electric will have spikes in energy if suddenly the flow
is stopped and mass and gases seem to be opposite requiring a sudden
jolt/push to see the an increase in energy?
Or do I have mass and gases wrong and they are just like water and electric
and I am not understanding it correctly?

If they act the same way, isn't there one thing that causes that to happen?
Is it Kinetic, how does that apply to electric?

I'm on a messed up schedule right now, rolling out of bed at 4 pm
which means I missed testing with real compressed air, maybe soon.

I didn't expect much and I said I'd report something, so
I bit the bullet and double the cost of the engine, spending another $14
(excluding the cost of the $10 caliper, yep you can get one this cheap, used to set the shaft)
I purchased a bicycle inner tube tire, two clamps, drill bit and
went to the gas station for air test, so that was another $0.75
Nothing happened at the gas station, zero movement of the piston.

In using PVC everything isn't going to be perfect. I did nothing
to smooth the cylinder and the shaft isn't dead center
either, but I was hoping putting enough air into the engine would get
a reaction from it. I'm still hopeful higher psi will do something.
Enhancing the imperfections on the piston, I narrowed the clearance
by using electric tape and sealing tape
Brute force shall overcome!? Or maybe I'm suffering from wishful thinking.

I'm open to suggestions on how smooth the piston and/or cylinder
that would not just enhance the pikes and valleys that are ready exist.
If I had a lathe I'd be using it and PVC probably would not be used.

web cam images, sorry about the quality
The cylinder is way too long (now), 8" is the correct target length.
I wanted to evaluate the longer length and then cut the size down.

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Pulsing / Oscillating seems to be a common requirement for obtaining
access to energy that would not otherwise exist or could be accessed.
Water, rotating mass, electricity, gases, etc. pulse these and energy that
wasn't there appears or is it just a concentration of energy.

Water and electric will have spikes in energy if suddenly the flow
is stopped and mass and gases seem to be opposite requiring a sudden
jolt/push to see the an increase in energy?
Or do I have mass and gases wrong and they are just like water and electric
and I am not understanding it correctly?
I am not up on the compressed air concepts like all of you but when you mention the pulsing or oscillating effects - it appears to be totally consistent with the concept of strong gradients in potential.

These sharp gradient changes are known to violate closed system thermodynamics.

Nature works at balancing things into equilibrium but when you have these sharp gradients - nature can't balance them as fast so you have a net gain in potential that can translate into extra work.

I don't know if it is a requirement to have extra output but some systems with extra output are known to have these sharp gradients associated with them.
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Hi everybody,

I agree with Peter that - I think he means the air engine - is a very important idea. I think if we will go on, we must find out a technology which don't destroy our resources (oil get destroyed when we burn it in our engines: cars, stoves, ...)
Thanks so much for Lutherman/Scotts information. I get if from him month ago. I am a little bit depressed that he stopped working on a self-fueling air engine. I hope he/you go on working on an efficient air engine. It would be a loss for us all I you stop thinking and working on an engine.

But we must consider: If we want a effective air engine it must generate a high amount of energy.
There are so many ideas out there but most of them are only ideas:

I had several contacts with Rob Perry. He is working on an air engine. (US 6629573).
There is Kim Zorzi. He said to me that he finished his prototype. He plans a presentation for the next weeks. His description seems to be very promising.

I know the patent or Mr. Houston. But a patent file is not enough! Did he ever built a prototype? What amount of energy does this engine generate?

I found two remarkable inventions (source: Peswiki.com)
1. The invention of Airtap/airgenerate. This invention (for heating water) es based upon the principle of a heat pump.
2. GLOBAL E.A.R.S. Increases Pneumatics Efficiency: It is a more efficient air system.

Regards
Alana
I tried to read Rob Perry's patent I couldn't understand it. I thought it was
using two tanks. One place it speaks of three tanks. His use of "Said" was
mind numbing in that I couldn't follow what "Said" the "Said" speaking about.

I found EARS which feeds exhaust/used air back into the intake of the compressor.
That's a must if you are going to run an air engine.

See video Super QUIET compressor, I want to know how this compressor works or is
it a FAKE. Quiet is a very good thing.

Very good How it Works, basic pneumatics Animations, click on each one, to view in detail.

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I am not up on the compressed air concepts like all of you but when you mention the pulsing or oscillating effects - it appears to be totally consistent with the concept of strong gradients in potential.

These sharp gradient changes are known to violate closed system thermodynamics.

Nature works at balancing things into equilibrium but when you have these sharp gradients - nature can't balance them as fast so you have a net gain in potential that can translate into extra work.

I don't know if it is a requirement to have extra output but some systems with extra output are known to have these sharp gradients associated with them.
Thanks Aaron,

I'm was a bit cloudy in understanding what your answer was telling me.
I was looking for something to hang my hat upon.
Something to research and it seems it was right there, Gradient.
The word Gradient seems to be a major word missing from
the Energy - Wikipedia and my understanding.

I'll get right on research of Gradients after I get
through reading some other things I have been forgetting to read.
If I had read those .. I'd probably not be asking these questions.

Thanks Peter,
I read John Huston patent and I'll have to read it again.
I got a bit lost in all the pipes and what not.

What was interesting to see on page 4 in the first paragraph:
Quote:
My estimates have led me to believe that
the greatest efficiency may be obtained at
relatively low pressures, -about 15 lbs PSI
or lower
, though it may be found expedient
to increase the compression materially to cut
down the sizes of the units employed ...
Also worth noting: The air motor, compressor and electric motor are all driven by one shaft.
Rudolf Steiner will have to wait also.

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Hi Randy,

The sharp gradient is another way of saying a big potential difference.
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@ Vortex,

you ask if the compressor is a fake. I don't know. To find out if a video is a fake is very difficult.

The patent file of Perry is very interesting. I wonder if he gets more out than he gave in (I had several telephone calls with him, but I couldn't prove his claims).
He has a very interesting valve system. His device works with super atmospheric pressure also with sub atmospheric pressure.

@ Aaron

For me it is also unclear what you mean with GRADIENT.

@ everybody here.
Thanks for the patent link (Houston). It is a little bit misleading what he really wants to say.
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I'd like to point out that a gradient can be either Scalar or Vectorial. With a vector, a value has magnitude and direction. An example is concentric rings in which a larger ring has a higher applied voltage, relative to the nearby smaller ring. Consecutive metalic discs also work, when there is a potential difference from one to the next. Pressure gradients also exist. As do those related to velocity and lumen density. As long as there is a difference from one point to another, there is a gradient. In the context of the heat engine, the term gradient refers to a difference in the amount of heat from the top of the piston to the bottom.

A gradient can also exist at a single point, without direction towards another point. For instance, a potential can vary from one moment to the next. In this case, there is a gradient in time, at the same point. Scalar means magnitude without direction, with sequentiallity not being considered a direction.

Both types of gradients are important in the kind of work we do. The steeper gradients are more effective. That's why pulses with fast rise times are needed. And/or rapid fall off. The greater the change from one point to another, or from one instant to the next (or prior, since Scalar gradients work both ways in time) the greater the effect which can be derived from the gradient.

Here's a simple gradient plate which is a capacitor without interconnections between the plates. Potential is applied at the needle electrode, and the far side of the plate is grounded. The potential is then spread out, gradually changing from one plate to the next. This is a mini particle accelerator which produces hot-carrier emission quite easily.

http://www.freewebs.com/attatchments...dientplate.jpg

My friend Kiril Chukanov has an ultra high powered compact particle accelerator which is based on a Ball Lightning gradient.
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For me it is also unclear what you mean with GRADIENT.
Hi Alana,

A gradient is a a slope.

Lets say you're on a road with a 5% slope - that is a very shallow gradient. Not much potential difference there. A ball would roll down with low energy and would take its time to roll down.

If you are climbing parts of Mount Everest and the slope is 89 degrees from some base point, that is a very, very steep or sharp slope or sharp gradient. The potential for a ball to roll with serious energy is much higher in addition to having the work done (ball rolling) in a smaller unit of time.

In open system thermodynamics - many systems that show over 1.0 COP have very sharp gradients...the sharper the gradient (implying that it is also a very fast IMPULSE) - the more excess that can show up.

This is a very simplified explanation and I hope it gives you an idea of the sharp gradient.

Not only is the potential difference great, it happens as an event in a very short period of time.

Anyway, don't want to take anything off topic here.
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Read online, Donations are requested.:
Second Scientific Lecture-Course: Warmth Course
The Theory of Heat - By Rudolf Steiner
Lecture I on March 01, 1920 Thur Lecture XIV on March 14, 1920
Second Scientific Lecture-Course: Warmth Course

It was hard to follow (for me).
I've read basically nothing like this before.
I was and am still confused about a lot of what I read.
The outline was holding together for me pretty good,
I wasn't seeing how some of the pieces of the puzzle fit
cleanly into the entire puzzle picture.

I'm glad I read it because I know in the future it
will help me understand relationships or other writings
I'm sure over time as the information sinks in, the stuff
I wasn't grasping will fall into place.

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Old 01-05-2009, 08:55 PM
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I was under a the delusion I could squirt air into the cylinder inlet and make that work, wrong.
I now have air which brings to light my newest issue.
Attaching to the PVC cylinder some sort of air connection.
First JB weld attempt failed to hold after the air was attached.
Currently JB welding a fitting to the cylinder, maybe that will hold.
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Old 01-08-2009, 12:43 AM
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No experience to trouble shoot problems.
I don't know how tight is too tight and how loose is too loose
or if it just PVC pipe-dream.
I'm still waiting on a new web cam with LED lighting.

I'm going to try to hunt down some steam engine hobbyist around Houston area.
Someone with experience.

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Old 01-20-2009, 09:26 PM
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How to test getting air into the tank

@All,

I'm looking for feedback that would invalidate the statements made below!!

A steam injector using steam at boiler psi is merged with water at atm psi
and the water is forced into the boiler.
A steam injector is easy to test if it is working, you look at the Sight Glass to see if more water is in the boiler.

Am I missing something that only allows a steam/water injector to work or
does it work the same using air/air? Two, in your face, differences are water
is non-compressible and steam can obtain a higher vacuum which only effects
the ratio of the mix of the streams.
Otherwise steam/water and air/air function the same in an injector????

The Magic Valve or the moving of air at a lower psi into a tank at a higher psi
or The low to high valve (device, system, method) or to speak about it
without writing an entire sentence and call it something, the L2HV.

The compressed air tank would have to have a pressure release valve and
thus the psi in the tank would get up to, if not start at, the max psi of the release valve.

This release valve seems to be the only means of detecting a functional L2HV , otherwise
a every increasing air pressure in the tank would result if the L2HV does function.

So, without the release valve, the tank psi MUST RISE if the L2HV is working?

The injector does not have to be round, circular or nozzle shaped?
One can build a L2HV that is like a cross section of a 3D (round) injector
and the L2HV would be more like 2D. Say 1/4" tall and whatever wide and
could be made out of almost any material. All things governing how an
injector works has nothing to do with it being round, Bernoulli and Venturi
work in any shaped device.

Do not try to use the "de Laval nozzle" (converging-diverging nozzle)
equations on an injector for air/air because even though the injector is
shaped like a "de Laval nozzle" those equations are for sonic and supersonic
flows which do not apply to the subsonic use of a converging-diverging nozzle.
The equations that apply are those used for a simple nozzle.
The Venturi part is the same for subsonic, sonic and supersonic (I think).

I have the material and tanks but wondering if I've missed something
before continuing?

The L2HV is the first step which should be taken. There could be an issue
that pulsing or osculations would make a L2HV work or not work which is kinda
hard test without a motor that would be the source of the pulsing.

Currently but a bit
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Just throwing an idea in here since it doesn't appear to have been mentioned yet...

How about hooking up a stirling engine to a reverse stirling engine? Or is that just silly?

The stirling engine needs a temperature gradient to operate so it won't work with ambient heat (assuming the heat gradient is equal in all directions), but if the rotor is hooked up to a reverse stirling engine, then wouldn't that be able to create the temperature gradient needed to run the first engine?

I don't know if this will have the same problems as hooking a dynamo to an electric motor since it is an open system
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Old 01-22-2009, 10:09 AM
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Just throwing an idea in here since it doesn't appear to have been mentioned yet...

How about hooking up a stirling engine to a reverse stirling engine? Or is that just silly?

The stirling engine needs a temperature gradient to operate so it won't work with ambient heat (assuming the heat gradient is equal in all directions), but if the rotor is hooked up to a reverse stirling engine, then wouldn't that be able to create the temperature gradient needed to run the first engine?

I don't know if this will have the same problems as hooking a dynamo to an electric motor since it is an open system
I agree there is potential.
Been there, looked hard and have not given up on the fluidyne,
a version of the stirling. Has a liquid piston.

Projects - DeSoto Solar
Development of a selfstarting and twice double Acting Alpha-Type Stirling Engine for Use with Heatsources of Low to Medium Temperatures.
Heat Engine Projects
the Otherpower.com Discussion Board || Liquid Piston stirling water pump
https://matteranenergy.us/Animation.htm
YouTube - Fluidyne Lamina Flow stirling engine
Stirling
http://www.ornl.gov/~webworks/cppr/y2001/rpt/27113.pdf
Sustainable Resources, Inc. - The Kinetic Water Pump Introduction
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Old 01-25-2009, 05:01 AM
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Combination of forces

It seems my previous post was unnecessary due to there's another way?

I've seen the old inventions (pre 1900s) combining forces.
They don't pick one force and expect just one to get the job done.

Peter and Scott (aka Lutherman) come up with this idea (I did not) and this
concept was drilled home after I learned about Keely's work.

Using the redesigned Tesla Reciprocating Engine (motor or TRM)
which requires no governor, regulator or valves and runs the same speed using
10 psi or 100 psi. The speed could be changed externally via an external air spring.
Both these features make this motor easier to work with during system
prototyping, in that you are not having to fiddle around with settings
depending upon variations in pressures and temperatures that could have large variations.

So I took the liberty (climbing way out on this limb) to crudely create a
system layout of what, I think, Peter and Scott had thought would work
(at least at one point in time) without having any real knowledge of what they thought
it would look like, I made it up!! Their idea was to mix steam/air together but
that was too complex for my brain power to wonder about the math, etc. so I
kept the air and steam separated, making the over all system more complex I guess.

Comments welcome.
If no water jackets are placed around one or both TRMs then the heat
exchanger would be higher than the TRMs and no water pump would be required.

One way valves are required on, at least, all four pipes attached to each
air compressor. I did not bother to try to predetermine where one way valves
would be needed or if any at all would be needed. The TRMs by themselves
do not require one way valves.



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Old 01-29-2009, 05:51 AM
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Compressed Air Power Secrets

Wow this discussion is still going on, for some reason my subscription to it isn't getting notices sent to me.

Hi Alana, I think I know who you are. I am now back into doing research though as usual I have no money to build anything.

I wanted to announce the publication online of my new book of compressed air calculations and theory with special emphasis on how to compress air with air and why this is possible.

374 pages and you will enjoy reading it. You will learn a lot. Please let me know what you think.

Now I have to read this discussion to see what I missed.

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Old 01-29-2009, 11:48 PM
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Why No Stirling assisted heat pump -> generator

Group,

Why are No Stirling assisted heat pumps out here???

Start it with electric and as the thermal separation happens,the stirling
engine should assist the electric (saving electric) OR better the more it
runs the larger the differential and the harder the Stirling pumps to
compensate. A looping cycle begins. The electric motor now can become
a generator. ?

The Normal Physics?
A blurb, some mental music of the 1st law..

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Old 01-30-2009, 02:12 AM
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Cold Regions

Its 15f here, Will this tech to keep going at -20f ambient?
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