Hi Steve,

Whether or not you have C1, if an ignition coil is used for example, it is definitely charged with pulsed spikes.

I have a 5kv "ion pump supply" and it pulses as well.

My personal preference is an ignition coil since Gray seemed to be big on them.

So I think the input to the circuit should be HV DC spikes.

Hi Marcoz,
We've been having a lot of humidity here today. Luckily my Van de Graaff machine is fairly immune. The ionization going on inside the Gray tube could be affected.

I did play around with my ignition coil power supply and my big 4kV, 4uF and 5kV, 5uF oil capacitors today. All the circuit values were pretty much the same as in Aaron's video except for the grid was a perforated metal instead of mesh. However, I let C1 get to around 300V (measured) and then shut off the power supply. When I discharged C1, the arc I got was scary enough. I don't think I want to use these capacitors as C1 and C2. If I found 300V at 4uF that scary, I'd hate to work with 1000V in C2 at 4uF. I'll leave that to others more courageous and stick to my Van de Graaff machine and my 340 picofarad homemade C2.
-Steve

Hi Aaron,
I spent some more time at it today and now I can see the same. In your video whenever the radiant event occured, C2 would drop from 1000V to around 500V. Since C2 is positive on the side connected to the coil and the grid, that means that during the radiant event electrons flowed to that side. For that to happen the electrons must have come from the HV rod. That would explain why at lower voltage, electrons arc from the grid to the HV rod, the grid has sharper edges than the rod and so breakdown happens relatively easily from grid to rod. But to break down from rod to grid takes a much higher voltage, and so happens only after a build-up period. Of course, the breakdown voltage would be lower than normal because of all the ionization going on in the tube.

My point, though, is that a Van de Graaff machine is constantly sucking electrons from the HV rod so the rod will never get to break down. With a pulsing power supply, when the pulse is off, if the HV rod is at its breakdown voltage at the time then it can breakdown and send electrons to the grid.

I still want to stick with a high voltage, low current power supply, so I'll probably introduce a spark gap between the Van de Graaff machine and C1 to get the pulsing. I'll put a diode in there too to prevent oscillations.
-Steve

Steve,

Sometimes C2 in that particular video would drop to only 900 and sometimes to 1-200 so it wasn't too consistent but the effect was consistent. I think things would smooth out having the event repeat at a higher frequency.

It seems that electrons would have to come from the HV rod to the grid in this setup but the coil seems to charge different than a typical cap discharge and I'm not so sure it is normal electron current. It is definitely something that allows the coil to charge and with the effect, the cap discharges as if the coil isn't even there to offer any resistance or impedance.

Anyway, this would mean that at the HV rod, if that is where the electrons are coming from, voltage and "electrons" are moving in one direction while the current moves in two directions at the same time on the HV rod.

On that particular setup, there was no switch at the LV rod as it was closed. The event happened whenever C2 was high enough when there was a pulse from the ignition coil synchronized to collide and both the HV rod and C2 moved to the LV rod so the "electrons" could have easily come from the LV rod and not the HV rod, possibly.

I don't know if the electrons even know what they're doing. lol

More and more I see too much evidence that the whole electron model in electric circuits is falling apart rapidly. I know it doesn't hold up in many of these circuits already and I'm not so sure it is even accurate in conventional closed loop circuits.

Right after I signed off Friday, Due to the Severe Thunderstorms we experienced here, I was unable to get back on the internet until now. A spike from a Lightening strike came in on the cable, frying my modem and also burned my Ethernet Card. But all is ok now the motherboard's built in card still works fine. The Cable tech had to give me another modem. Seems when they installed the original modem they did not plug the Ethernet cable into the surge protectors I provided. all though the PC, Monitor and the modem were plugged into the surge protectors, the the lightening strike came in on the TV cable into the modem through the Ethernet cable from modem to the Ethernet card.
I've read the back postings, and I should say that I do take all precautions to assure my safety. If I get fried to a crisp from finding the uncontrollable cascade of electrons from radiant event, Be it known to all that with my last breath I'll be saying "YO", "Adrian", "I Did It!!".
No one has to cheer me on, to do what I'm doing. I love doing this and I'm my own biggest fan!

Hey Tek, would you believe the white plasma worms can be trapped inside the plastic container of the tube? Kinda bouncing around and some going circular around inside the Plastic Jar?

Aaron,
I too suspect that at least some of the electrons are coming from the LV rod. This makes sense since as you've said yourself, the LV rod is at a lower positive than C2 i.e. more negative. I figured they were arcing from the LV rod to the HV rod and thence to the grid. From your video, the green flash does seem to come from the same area that the arc is happening between the HV rod and the grid to charge C2. That is, from the end farthest from the LV rod and nearest C1. I suspect one of the places where you soldered one of the wires connecting the two grids is a little sharp or as least nearer the HV rod than the rest of the grid and so the arcing at least starts there. It looks that way on your video and is what's happening to mine.

I also suspect (hope for) something more than regular electrons, especially since the LV rod is only less positive than C2 and probably not loaded down with a lot of spare electrons.

Anyway, I'll stop speculating until I do some more work.
-Steve

Electrotek, please check your e-mail. Enjoy

I have some revealing photos of a discharge from "The Jar". the first shows the origin of the discharge. (This is its birth place) I have noticed that the effect comes from the sparks that are present at the time of discharge. This is how I could produce two bursts at the same time in my conventional Gray tube. But this is a photo of my multi-gap.
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/366...nningburst.jpg

This is the same discharge, clearly showing a plasma ball leaving "The Jar" I get this effect a lot, the plasma ball leaves the Jar usually going strait up.There is even one in the still that Aaron posted (Thanks) thats completely left "The Jar" and the main discharge.
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/465...leescaping.jpg

And this is the first time I have seen this! the plasma, as the burst is diminishing, seems to be drawn back into the LV electrode. (which is a hollow carbon fiber arrow shaft). I have attached a round ring of copper around the carbon shaft's end that is inside the tube. Maybe thats what the plasma is drawn to. Antway Here it is.
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/211...connection.jpg
This was a small, slow burst , almost like a burp. Enjoy!

I have some revealing photos of a discharge from "The Jar". the first shows the origin of the discharge. (This is its birth place) I have noticed that the effect comes from the sparks that are present at the time of discharge. This is how I could produce two bursts at the same time in my conventional Gray tube. But this is a photo of my multi-gap.
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/366...nningburst.jpg

This is the same discharge, clearly showing a plasma ball leaving "The Jar" I get this effect a lot the plasma ball leaves the Jar usually going strait up.There is even one in the still that Aaron posted (Thanks) thats completely left "The Jar" and the main discharge.
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/465...leescaping.jpg

And this is the first time I have seen this! the plasma, as the burst is diminishing, seems to be drawn back into the LV electrode. (which is a hollow carbon fiber arrow shaft. I have attached a round ring of copper around the carbon shaft's end that is inside the tube. Maybe thats what the plasma is drawn to. Anyway Here it is.
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/211...connection.jpg
This was a small, slow burst , almost like a burp. Enjoy!

Ghst: I knew you were up to something, but this is amazing! Is there a hole in the jar, or is the plasma ball going right through the plastic? It didn't come from the arrow shaft did it? I really like the purple glow around the distant wires. Keep at it. You're the best!

Yep, right thru the plastic! You know, with a large plasma burst as when I'm launching the coils, the plasma looks almost like a liquid or a exploding paint splash. This discharge was a like I said a burp. I don't know why it puffed, the discharge should have been larger. But I let her run and the very next discharge is the one that I e-mailed you the photo series of. That is totally freaky! I can allow a little air in or plug it off with the hollow arrow shaft. This hollow electrode allows me to introduce air directly into the discharge. Oh yea, The plasma discharge doesn't diminish even tho I am launching two coils.I didn't have a microwave primary to match the one I had , So I tried to wind one to match, I didn't do a very good job. And LOL the microwave primary was... aluminum! All though I can get a decent lift with the new set. I know it would be better with matching coils. But the matched set of coils still preform as without the second set, Preferably all coils should match.

Ghst, I remember in one video seeing grey use plastic as his core in a coil which acted like iron. Perhaps this might be something to try out?
Raui

Ghst: That's interesting, the way the 'exotic' plasma goes right through the plastic. This reminds me of the "gas" Aaron caught on camera coming out the side of the wire. (I guess he never had time to replicate that effect.) Your discovery may shed more light on the nature of Ball Lightning. If so, it could point the way towards cheap and easy fusion.

Raui: I have a heavy inductor with an air core which I use in my circuit. If I put a wooden dowel rod through the hole in the inductor, the wood will snap into axial alignment with the coil when I discharge the effect. I'm going to try a plastic rod the next time I have time to experiment.

And what you said above about Aaron reminds me of back when I used to do high voltage propulsion experiments. I'd always be on the look out for purple corona jets anywhere being the cause of the propulsion since I was looking for something more exotic. Once I found corona coming out of a section of thickly insulated wire, right through the rubber. If the voltage is high enough and/or the electric field is asymetric enough and there are tiny but not noticable holes then corona will go right through. Maybe Ghst's jar has some tiny tiny holes there through which some of the ionized air escapes unnoticed. Then when the radiant event happens, it just follows this ionized air out, like any other conductive path. Might be interesting if it's repeatable, to put a few layers of tape over the outside of the jar where it happens and see if it still happens. Just a guess based on experience.
-Steve

I tend to agree about the tiny holes. When I was doing some motor tests with a car battery in series with my circuit, I noticed that one of the battery cable handles was also shooting a long skinny plasma spark. I trimed the cheap plastic off the handle and saw that the metal had rusted around the wire, and a small hole had rusted clear through at the end of the wire. The spark from my circuit was jumping across this hole, but no longer shooting outwards. So there must have also been a hole in the plastic. Now that Ghst has posted his effect, I'm wondering what role the curvature radius of the outer dielectric surface has.

I've made some new gradient plates which only have a single sheet of foil sandwiched between dielectric layers of varying thickness, and one which is nothing but dielectric with a hole in it. But I'm not going to post any pictures until I can resolve the camera 'burn' effect. I've mentioned before that the camera doesn't see the same thing I see. Now I've found out that even IR diodes produce the bright white burn in the image:

CCTV Busting Infra-Red Headset Makes You Invisible | Gadget Lab | Wired.com

Here's an example from my workbench:


By inertiatek at 2009-03-30

Hey everyone, yes it's been a while! Everyone's experiments are looking excellent!

Arron, I think you mentioned a temperature drop at the spark gap or spark plug in your experiments quite a while back. Have you ever been able to measure a temperature drop in a coil or other load?

I have placed a piece of rolled brass sheet inside "The Jar" for a Collection Grid. The piece of Brass doesn't encircle the jar fully. so there is a gap about 1 inch wide between the ends of the rolled brass sheet. This is where the LV electrode enters the tube. Anyway Everyone must do a frame by frame to see this! The image created during pre-discharge.
YouTube - Hologram Effect
I don't know why It did this.

For anyone that wants a peek.
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/8...grameffect.jpg

I seriously encourage you to use a Geiger Muller measuring device near your setup.
You might be zapping your body and tisue with devastating x-rays without noticing it now.
But they will penetrate deep into your body, and cause permanent damage.

Marcoz.

Ed Gray had a way to generate free electricity without using his motor. At one point, he approached the electric utility company in California about selling power to them. They declined for some reason probably related to an extraneous effect his circuit produced. At that point, he asked them to just let him use his motors to power their generators, instead. And they still refused. So it seems he did have some power generating system which didn't require his motor.

I think this system is the air core transformer, or the FFF coils. I've done some tests with my arc stretching arrangement and I've noticed that after the arc is stretched around 8 or 9 inches it looks different. It's larger, more tenuous, less opaque, not so bright, and has a slight blueish tint. It looks a lot like the effect in Gray's pipe with the coils:



Unfortunately, I can't post my circuit until I upload it to my own site, copywrite it, and discuss it on some other forum. edit: Even this doesn't always work.

Hehe, and soon we may find the speed of light is not as used to be...
Looking for a fast switching device I found Protection of electronic circuits ... - Google Books
And for who is patient enough to read the whole paragraph the reward is that claims cannot be made because contradict the science establishment. "We cannot go faster that speed of light".
Ghst, are you showing that you could capture two parallel realities with your picture?

Wow that looks cool. Does the hologram remain at the same position from different angels?

Ghst: I've figured out what's going on with your "hologram" image - it's a Scalar effect. What you have is in fact a lethal energy and situation. Marvin Cole and Richard Hackenberger both died suddenly and unexpectedly, before their time. Something like you're doing probably led to their demise.

Any time you have two energies going in different directions in the same arc, the arc becomes a Scalar Emitter. What happens after that depends on what configuration you have around the arc. What you have, with the split on one side of the grid is an Omega electrode. The worst thing you can do is have it pointing at you when you fire the circuit. Or anyone behind you, or anyone at all. And you can't shield it either.

I've seen Scalar effects, in person and on the news. One dead giveaway is that the effect precedes the cause. Another way to tell when the lethal energy is present is that it produces strange video effects. Such as a picture within a picture, or duplicate images like you're getting.

You've got to stop experimenting with that grid, or else make sure your affairs are in order. I'm dead serious.

Thats good enough for me. Thanks Tek, I'm removing the Brass Grid. That Effect was scary enough seeing it for the first time. I intend for it to be the last time.

Ghst, awesome discovery. Is this setup using the carbon arrow and copper ring? Do you have a diagram you could send? Also, these weird effects only seem to appear in the pre-discharge. I wonder if there's a way to keep the main discharge from happening and only let the pre-discharge occur.

It may be dangerous, but its damn interesting
Did you see the effect through your own eyes, or is it only on video?

The remark about the X-rays you may be creating is also a good one. A geiger-muller tube might be a good asset in your research.

Watching all this makes me wanna grab the soldering iron and start experimenting again. Great topic this is!

For a quick evaluation you won't need any Geiger stuff.
A roll of photographic film left inside it's metallic case will give you an idea. Beside this, another strip of unexposed film carefully wrapped in black paper will tell you if the metallic case offer any kind of protection.

Cheers.

Martin My eyes only saw what you can see in the video. I told Electrotek that I expected to capture a shot of the tube with light emitting from the ends of the Brass semi-tube. But the video shows it as I seen it.Its weird that the Brass did not show up in the glowing Jar image. This allows you to see through the red image where the brass should be. But the carbon fiber arrow shaft and connecting wires did reproduce in the image. I think it would be imposable to get a pre-discharge without the main following discharge, Its like Tek said the image precedes the cause. Its also interesting that like Tek told me, It appears as if the light discharge is coming from the image, but not the real one. This is really weird stuff!

Yes, I noticed the image is not being "projected" from the jar. It just appears out of nowhere. If it was projected you would see light coming from the slot in the brass. It's also interesting to note that with scalar waves emulating perpendicular to the wire, that the image is also doing this in relation to the spark gap electrodes and it's appeared to be shifted in the same direction or toward the grid electrode. This could be just because that the brass slot is facing this same direction, but since it doesnt look like it's projecting from the slot maybe not? It'd be cool if there was a way to rotate the slot in another direction and keep the grid electrode right where it's at and see if the image moves with the slot direction or if it stays shifted in the direction of the grid electrode.