Hi mlurye,

I don't think it is a stupid idea at all. This is only my opinion on current and the Gray Tube. With how I see the tube operation, I still don't think there is anything mystical about it...just profound.

With the tube setup, current (if you're talking "electron" current") may have the option of moving from either the LV rod to the HV rod when the HV jumps. Or from the grids to the rods when the potential jumps to the rods.

That is IF there is current moving according to how it is 'supposed' to move. In the opposite direction of the positive potential and in the same direction as the negative voltage potential flow.

In both cases, the HV is moving into a LV +...at the LV rod AND on the other side of the inductive load.

There is a difference in both of these.

The LV + potential at the low voltage rod is not even there UNTIL the diode is connected to the circuit by the commutator.

The LV + potential at the grids is ALREADY sitting there.

In both cases when the HV jumps...IF there is current...the electron current is forced to leave the + terminal of the battery. Will that easily happen? Can that happen in the short blip of an impulse of the HV discharge? Since current is so much slower than the instantaneous potential and with the increase in discharge time of the HV cap by the diode shutting off - the current is offset even more so it is highly doubtful that there can be much current at all that is causing any of these effects based on known principles.

Jetijs or any other experienced machinists or material experts.

Have any experience with this type of carbon block?



Or know if I could cut out a chunk of this on a band saw then use a drill press to make holes in both sides to put the LV rod and a tip of the LV rod on one side - without it crumbling to pieces?

I would imagine that 1mm thickness between both holes is all the thickness I would need to have it act as a carbon resistor.

Would carbon blocks intended for motor brushes be a lot more compressed and rugged than this?

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Aaron,
when I worked with the carbon rod from a battery, it was hard to drill a 6mm hole in it, because it would break, but that is just because the rod itself was just 8mm in diameter, that means only 1mm wall thickness. But it was easy to machine with a lathe so I think that a piece so thick should not be so hard to work with. Your carbon block is about 15mm thick, so about twice as thick as the rod I used. If you intend to drill a 1/4" hole in it, you will have about 7mm wall thickness and that should be more than enough I already ordered a 12" long piece of graphite 2.5" in diameter to machine some carbon resistors from it. I could not find any motor brushes big enough for a carbon resistor on ebay.
Jetijs

Carbon rod from battery is not pure, I tried to bring it into incandescence and while heated by current it will create a lot of nasty gases.It's hard to get rid of them due to high resistance ,a lot of current is required to heat it up enough time.

I think carbon has to be cast using compression and heat. I don't know where to get the raw material. But you could use two pieces of pipe (preferably copper) one for the outside (OD) and one for the inside (ID) and press to form the material, then heat it up till the metals glows substantialy. You would have to construct a press setup for it.

You could also use glass grinders bits. It alot softer than glass but would probably act about the same. Real brittle for sure.
10k rpm dremels, with abrasive bits should work well.

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I have filed quete a few down to size for different reasons. Its not hard stuff to work with when shapping but drilling hole might be different, haven't tryed that one.

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Matt

You know it just dawned on me that the carbon probably the key to that whole Grey tube thing.
If you have seen the video from Tom Bearden on the work of Debra Chung, she uses a carbon fiber acrylic plate to induce negative energy.
I'll have to watch the video again, but I remember she had found that the compresion and heat combination that the plate was cast under, effected the amount of induced negative energy put out from the secondary wire in the plate.
They cast a plate with 2 wires running through it and put a positive charge on one wire and a negative charge showded up on the second wire. The higher the casting pressure and heat the more energy came out negative.

Using a carbon resistor in your tube should make a similiar effect. Although the negative energy that gets cast from the arc between the 2 rods should grow(Air being the best resistor, and negative energy grows through resistance), and collect to the outside mesh.
Anything that goes through the arc should grow as well.

Just a thought.
Matt

Thanks Aaron, I got it wrong about the grids being grounded, sorry, too tired...

But about the Gray tube, we are missing one piece of information(at least):

1) The tube works as an inductance capacitance in a resonant circuit. It magnifies the radiant charge and the magnetic pulse. So the concentric tubes are responsible for the transformation of the magnetic field. Next question is: which kind of a magnetic pulse is this??! Definitely not the normal one, that is for sure, we get no current or magnetic effect until we put a permanent magnet next to the coil.

If we put beads inside there will be absolutely no sparks and a massive magnetic pulse I speculate. Dielectric, oscillating magnetopulse, that is what Dollard talks about, he also talks about the fact you can "clean" away the magnetic part with the right coil geometry. The magnetic pulse is the last part of the radiant energy secret I believe. Then we have all details...

Please check: patent No 2 611 094

2) The volume of material in the grid should be matched against the cylinder volume, resistance should be maximum for the electrostatic charge etc, etc. So this means we should listen to Dollard and Lindemann´s videos about the material matching of primary and secondary in their Tesla coils.


Well, I guess all the people building Gray tubes should start by making the mesh grid in the toilet roll foil.... That is the first simple step. The next will come later. Now I need a break...

Good morning,

I have NO idea whats the use of Carbon since #62 !?
Before I thougt you are looking for a LV rod, the thing between diode's cathode and air gap inside Gray Tube.

And for this purpose I thougt of a spark plug, a conventional, resistor-type spark plug.


http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...d=122846391 5

Between middle electrode right and helical steel spring you can see a (carbon?) resistor with ~15mm length. In case of this plug it had some kOhm (5(?)kOhm) resistance.

Every standard plug got this resistance. We can measure it between middle electrode down and up.

Why not using plug as a LV rod? Isnt this the aim?


Aaron or Admin, if I am complete wrong with purpose of carbon here, please remove my contri asap!

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Hi Gauss, this is my speculation (but not all of it is speculation) that I posted: Gray Tube Replication

I'll repost that below:

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To everyone: I believe from Grids on, there is a "magnetic current" component that comes into play but I haven't really mentioned that yet because I don't know if it is true.

I'll express my belief as an exercise in IMAGINATION (just in case it winds up being something else! lol) BUT - I think anyone would have to agree it is thought provoking and dang near makes sense.

When you have voltage potential moving over the wire, there is the magnetic component at 90 degrees.

WHAT IF - you get that voltage potential to move 90 degrees perpendicular to the wire? You cause the magnetic vector to rotate 90 degrees and swap places and no longer have the magnetic field perpendicular but an electric field perpendicular to the wire.

The magnetic field made of magnetic particles (bi-directional magnetic particles moving in opposite directions simultaneously...S & N) turns to magnetic current over the wire when turning 90 degrees and moving over the wire, which is cold, does work like amps but has no voltage. 0 voltage but you get work similar to hot current - but kinda different effects.

Anyway, I think it is magnetic current that moves from the grids to power the coils cold with stronger work than is predictable by the input power and so forth.

I see this in the water sparkplug circuits as well.

And again, when I use the comparison between the Gray circuit and the water sparkplug circuit...the gap on the plug is NOT the gap at the rods. The gap at the spark plug IS analogous to the space from the rods to the grids...draw everything out and this becomes apparent.

Anyway, if this is ever proven to be right...you all read it here first and I'll take credit If it is proven wrong, then just remember I posted this disclaimer above: I don't know if it is true.

I have some evidence to back this belief but am focus on other things so I can't explore this more at the moment. Anyway, if anyone wants to look into it more, read the person that actually knows how to explain it because Leedskalnin leaves a whole lot out and also, through the eyes of a carpenter, the whole world is a nail and Leedskalnin thinks everything is from the magnetic current world. It is NOT. It is simply the inverse/opposite to the electron current world. I don't mean magnetic field, literally magnetic current when it is moving over a wire. The person that does explain it as it is in my opinion is: Felix Ehrenhaft: Magnetic Current --- 9 articles Felix Ehrenhaf
I'd recommend copying that page locally in case it disappears.

Moving voltage away perpendicularly from the wire instead of down the wire to force magnetic to move over wire since it switches 90 degrees is one way to get (one type of - implying there are others) cold electricity and this one is no voltage with current (cold magnetic current).

The other cold electricity is cold voltage potential without current...like in the Bedini circuits.

There is another way to get cold electricity but that is something else altogether...at least how to make it.

Hi Magneto,

It doesn't matter if you're right or wrong. If anyone knew what the right answers were on the complete Gray Tube, that person would have a motor running and I haven't seen any complete demos of this yet. So it is all up in the air until then.

But, I do have to point out that without a resistor there, I did make a magnet jump a few inches so it doesn't seem to be absolutely required for bare minimum effects. Perhaps with a resistor there, maybe the effect would have been quite a bit more.

I'm not sure if anyone else has even had a coil repel a magnet like this on their Gray Tube tests.

If it is simple resistance, then a resistor plug's core could probably be used. There are interesting properties to carbon and that may have been very intentional.

Are those plug resistors carbon?

I think the resistance is there mainly so that when the diode is switched, the HV just seeks a speck of conductivity to ground...just the bare minimum to allow the HV to jump...while restricting current.

Knowing the resistance between the LV tip and the LV rod on the other side of the resistor would be nice. It might be in Peter's book or the Patents but I don't recall off hand.

You are right! Except ... credit belongs to Tom Bearden, who first told us about hidden magnetic potential which is sometimes released from electric circuit.I think that such conversion is a nuisance in low voltage circuits and even in HV except one situation. I think that with proper conditions Earth magnetic field is "glued" to magnetic field in electric circuit, so if that conversion is done with correct timings the resulted magnetic current has a sum of circuit magnetic field and Earth magnetic field component.While magnetic field of circuit is limited (like a water in pipe), Earth magnetic field is huge (like ocean) - when both are compressed periodically and subsequently and converted - Earth magnetic flux may dominate.

it's my theory

Hi Aaron,

due to this thread and the "water spark" thread, and energetics, and overunity, and OUPower, and..., I now see or look at 'electrics' in a complete different way than before. Thanks for all posters here, still involved or in absence!

Don't know the real stuff of a plug resistor, but it has to keep resistance and shape up for high temperatures. And the one (my one) in the picture was hard, temper and brittle.

So, yes as you ask, Aaron, I only see EVGray's carbon in the LV rod as a resistance. And I didn't knew it untill now! My eyes have read "Carbon", my mind did say "Resistor".

But even now my mind understands "carbon", I know it must be resistance. But I can be wrong.

Best regards
magnetO

Thanks Aaron,

we can do anything by properly identifying the different types of radiant waves and the gaseous properties of crashing the HV pulse into another friend. This means lightning should be a magnetocurrent too and you could use the PM as a battery.

Now I am 100% convinced that the Meyer cell is also a magnetocurrent, but more symmetrical design, than the Gray tube(no HV-LV anodes, instead HV-HV but less help from the diode), especially the steam resonator gives us all the right answers.

Probably here is the key to produce oxygen and other substances by implosion fusion. Remember Tesla called sparks wasteful, the key is to magnify the magnetocurrent silently with no wasting I believe. Microspheres should do it but I may be wrong as usual.

What is the gap distance between the LV-HV anode in the tube. Has anyone seen the microfusion reactor by a carbon rod? Tesla proposed carbon as the best radiant charge receiver I believe.

Take care and well done everybody in here, we are doing massive progress I believe. Just keep working and soon massive results will follow.

Interesting Bogus!

I wasn't familiar with Bearden talking about the magnetic potential. Does he mention it in terms of literal magnetic current that can flow over a wire?

I beleive the resistor is there to introduce a diefference in relaxation time, thus in effect creating an asymetry with respect to time. Nature should move in an try to fill the difference and in the process absord energy from the surrounding. I will be honest thogh I do not have experimental evidence as of yet.

McMaster Carr carries grphite gouging rods. Thoes should be relativelly easy to form (dril and cut). They are britle though.

I don't recall if this was specified in the patents. What I'm doing is pushing them together until they touch using a continuity meter to see that. Then I simply pull one of the rods just barely out until continuity is broken. Fraction of a millimeter in my tube.

Thanks for the tip on the gouging rods.

With relaxation time - do you mean in offsetting the timing of when the diode shuts off?

What I mean with relaxation time is the time it takes copper to be pontentialized to the point when electrons start moving, and the time it takes for the electrons in the carbon to start moving. Look for relaxation time of both materials. Like before I compared the relaxation time of copper, iron, aluminum. Relaxation time is the time it takes for electron to rise in potential and start conducting. Potential happens instantaneouslly.

Back again after a weekend not so restful....

However, my mind as usual filling up with new ideas.. I get the idea about using iron inside the Gray tube to produce the microbeads, Iron is a good magnetic amplifier and the tread from the Tube should maybe also be iron considering we are using a magnetocurrent? Anyone tried that? Result?

Soon, we will get there. Then, anyone has equations for the volume of material we should use in the tube?

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Hi Inquorate,

I see that doc from Mark McKay, thanks. I met him about 7 years ago right when Peter's book came out. Gary McGratten connected him with me after his claims of replication. Turned out McKay lives in my town. One of my best friends has known him and his family for years. Years after this Peter finally met Mark McKay and they have documented a bunch of Gray stuff that most people don't know about...history, etc..

Anyway, in that doc, you can see the diode cathode is pointing away from the HV rod. Nobody is building it correctly. I'll email Mark today and point out my vids because until people get the diode right, it is all an effort in futility.

Aaron, have you made any progress with your conversion tube experiments?

Hi Jetijs,

I haven't had time to do anything with it.

What I want to do next is to crank up what I'm dumping from the HV side. I think something like what is in the Imhotep thread is what will work best. The biggest cap I have is 4kv 4uf. I have two. One I'll use as the HV source and the second one I'll use on the backside of the load for safety so the output doesn't accidentely explode a battery.

I think a commutator that switches the LV on at TDC of the magnet(s) of the rotor will work. By the time the event happens, it will only be barely past TDC and the pulse on the coil will repel it. I guess depending on the delay, it could be before TDC. But if it works at TDC just fine just to turn a wheel for bare minimum proof of concept, then TDC will make a pendulum work the same on the swing in both directions.

It is interesting the threads by Imhotep and Luc's kickoff on the water sparkplug concept. The reason it is interesting to me is because the relay oscillator was kind of an attempt to replicate Gray's chopper circuit to charge the HV cap. And it seems Gray may have moved towards high power Mallory ignition coils powered by high frequency oscillator CDI discharges to charge the HV cap radiantly...plus the water sparkplug diode concept like on the Gray Tube. The synchronicities are absolutely incredible from my perspective.

I just posted a few things here:
Directory:EV Gray - PESWiki

Pretty much what is already here.

Anyway, I think if anyone wants to just get started with this. Build a simple tube, do the diode right and discharge some HV into it so that it moves to the diode, diode shuts off and the potential then jumps to the grids second.

Just doing that is a BIG step because in the last 7 years I have not seen anyone do that other than the simple demo I showed in my vid. Many attempts are to get some invisible stuff going to the grids from regular hv sparks. What goes to the grids is supposed to be anything other than invisible. It should be quite a bright effect.

In my vid, it was just an elongated spark. I want at least a couple thousand volts and 1-2 uf's.

If anyone wants to see the other McKay docs, just replace that 5 in the link with 1 then 2 etc... until there are no more. It is a good series of docs.

In McKay's doc #6

Page 6 right above the pics, on Splitting the Positive, Mark Gray (Ed Gray's son) was talking to his dad and Ed Gray said:

"The energy starts from the positive terminal [of the storage battery/dipole] then part of it goes back to the supply battery and part of it goes to the load."

This confirms what my belief on splitting the positive has always been. The part that goes to the supply battery is the first bit of HV potential that moves into the OPEN diode to the LV source, which is the supply battery. Then, when the diode closes, the rest goes to the load. But I think it is more than just "the rest of it". With the diode slamming shut like that, the HV potential from the HV cap is able do discharge QUICKER like I believe Lee showed in the water sparkplug thread. Plus there are other things about this mechanism that are happening that I don't believe Gray knew.

If the cathode of the triode was like Gray indicated in the patent, then ALL of the HV would have went to the battery, blowing it up, destroying the triode possibly, etc... basically everything would go there except what wouldn't make it through becuase of parts failing in the process...then some of it might make it to the grids.

Aaron,

What still bothering me is the commutator. Why did he used it if diode slams voltage potential ? Or maybe for vacuum diode it was required for initializing it ? It still looks like a mystery.Meanwhile I have quite different concept about it but I must confess that your theory looks more plausible, which doesn't mean it's 100% correct.
That commutator I struggled with and I found the same part in Tesla patent for device utilizing radiant energy 685957.

What if Gray tube is really a special capacitor, charged from inside by a radiant energy and discharged through secondary circuit by commutator ? That would explain (the same way as other theories of course )why positive is split : one part is going across diode to commutator and then cut by commutator and most by diode, second part is going the other direction - across grids and load to the commutator and through it to the spark gap again - and probably MEET the second discharge coming from HV positive terminal !

WOW! Maybe the frequency of occurring discharge MUST be synchronized with the width of the working circuit with load to LET two positive spark meet at spark gap ????
That would indicate that Gray tube is a capacitor discharging positive potential like in Tesla patent, but the actual COLLISION of two positive sparks may be the reason why energy is multiplied.

First of all we need a working replication and you are very close to it.Can't wait for your next video !

Oops, sorry : I meant : Maybe the frequency of occurring discharge MUST be synchronized with the length of the working circuit plus load , to LET two positive spark meet at spark gap ????

Hey Boguslaw,

If the commutator isn't there, it would just pulse off/on as fast as the cap can charge. That would simply be a solid state higher frequency method with the tube. With the commutator, it will only pulse when needed by timing it with a magnet or coil on a rotor.

Two positive voltages definitely collide but I don't believe that is what causes the effect. We proved in some of the water sparkplug circuit tests with one single capacitor after the initial discharge into the primary, there isn't really anything there but the effect happens using the same discharged capacitor as the low voltage source.

I believe it is more along the lines of what Lee showed with the scope shots showing that the cap was caused to discharge much quicker, which would drastically increase potential.

Just because it is proven that the low voltage source doesn't have to add some big punch to make the effect, that doesn't mean that some good voltage/capacitance won't help increase the effect because it does. Not required but helpful.

So this would lead me to believe possibly that the 12v battery at whatever amp rating is adding that high current low voltage punch following the HV once the diode shuts off..HV jump to grids and 12v from battery follows it. That is mixing high voltage and high current. That 'may' be what really boosts the effect but doesn't cause it.

From what I saw with dead capacitors on the LV side when I pulsed a magnet - was tricky to do but that showed that at bare minimum to get the effect, no real power needs to be on the LV. But, if there is, could it help? Probably.

@all: Just read an article about plants and trees in Extraordinary technology...

I quote(summary): " The top of all trees is always a north magnetic monopole while the south magnetic monopoles all migrate to the root system as they are attracted to soil, rocks and stones. The north magnetic monopoles are attracted to the leaves. This gives the tree a magnetic dipole charge. The roots act as wave guides for south poles to run up through plant stem and recombine with north magnetic poles, their former mates. A good conductor of magnetic monopoles is the opposite to an insulated conductor. The core of the plant root stem is a wood-like material like cellulose(plastic) covered by a barklike material which contains water like sap which is an electric conductor."

Well, here we go again, lightning is a south magnetic monopole looking to mate with its north magnetic monopole(the top of the tree). Me like nature.

And now we know what the Tesla MT was about underground, don´t we??!

Voltage wants to be trapped between two magnetic monopoles(bioelectric potential), ground is one(south), our receiver hence should be a north monopole. And the coil between them should be a long solenoid(trunk).

I now strongly suspect gravity is a consequence of a an electric dipole. The inner of earth has a small spherical core with positive charge, it attracts the negative crust(E-field lines outwards from core to crust), on the other side of the crust all field lines point inwards towards the inner field lines for balance just like the electron dipole Meyl describes. And we live on the side where we are pushed towards earth by these field lines - called gravity. And that is why the B-field lines point outwards from the core. Simple and clear.

So the universe is a crystal structure, all geometries return at all levels.

That´s all for now, need to digest again...