Global warming has more to do with climate "SHIFT" than it does a uniform warming of the planet. As an example ... things that are normally moderate become uncharacteristically and unseasonably hot, dry, cold or wet or at least are not 'historically normal' for the region.

Heating causes the delicate ocean currents to go off kilter causing weather patterns to become skewed further affecting the ocean currents. This affects coastal weather patterns, storms, the Jet Stream and everything. All of the thermal patterns and cycles become affected resulting in climate shift. This is a pretty simple concept and is not an extreme take on the issue.

Many of the below go towards directly debunking the film in the thread title.

YouTube - Climate Denial Crock of the Week - Medieval Warming?

YouTube - Climate Denial Crock of the Week- "It's cold. So there's no Climate Change"

YouTube - Climate Denial Crock of the Week - Ice Area vs Volume

YouTube - Climate Denial Crock of the Week - The Scoop on Southern Polar Ice

YouTube - Climate Denial Crock of the Week - That 1500 Year Thing


There are many more in this series, the guy's been busy lol.

In complete ignorance we've ruined the planet
Terraformed the planet, ruining the nest for us all.
We can terraform it back, all it needs is Money right.

So now that their going to be stealing money from me.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
What is the correct temp for Earth?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

What is the plan to undo our ignorance?
Just how is my 2-3 thousand Dollars a year
going to be used to terraform the planet back?
Who is building the machinery?
Where are they going to be located?

Besides just sealing our money,
WHATS THE PLAN?
Oh and the correct temperature?

Hi Guys,

Just thought I'd link to this story from the BBC, about the current "dimness" and lack of activity on the surface of the Sun.

BBC NEWS | Science & Environment | 'Quiet Sun' baffling astronomers

Peter

The Whole Solar System is Undergoing Global Warming., page 1

To me this gives some evidence that a dwarf star called, "Nibiru" is now headed our way. For it seems we do not live in a single star solar system but a twin star solar system. The twin star is a dwarf star and comes around every 3600 years or so they say. But I just add up what is more probable all the planets in our solar system are just heating up at the same time due to some random event or that something big is entering our solar system causing all these changes. The latter seems to hold more weight with the data collected thus far. But all we can really do is wait for time waits for no man, and if you live long enough perhaps you will get a chance to see if this dwarf star exist or not. If it does this time it will be recorded in blue ray ultra high definition so no one will forget about it again with the hand me down stories that are now long forgotten.

Plutonic Warming by Fred Thompson on National Review Online


h2opower.

I think we can all agree that it is not the smartest thing to continue to spew toxic gas from an exhaust into the atmosphere, and quite frankly I am not interested in who or what caused the erratic weather patterns.

The fact of the matter is that climate is changing and already causing significant disruption of normal life for many people. Where I live in Arizona (85902), there used to be snow mobile shops. We used to get 4 feet of snow in the winter, now we get less than 2 feet and the snow mobile shops are gone.

In the past 20 years there have been new record temps being set, both high and low. The most intense droughts and floods have happened in the last 10 years. Every year we are seeing even more radical windstorms and destructive weather patterns. If you just look at the statistical data for this area alone it is fact that things are changing in wild swings of hot and cold.

Even the skeptics in the area are now admitting that something is wrong when they see an 80F day followed by a 30F day and snow in the late spring which is not even close to normal for this area.

I don't know what is causing it but it is starting to concern the farmers who can no longer count on steady weather patterns and rainfall, and the rest of us are starting to notice as well since it hits all of our pocket books in construction, trucking, farming, ranching, resorts, ski hills, and many other industries in the local area.

Sure we are doing great damage to the echo system for not following the works of Viktor Schauberger that much is very clear. But this global warming is something much bigger than mankind, this dwarf star should concern you greatly for if it hits the earth or causes a pole shift not many people are going to make it.

As for the problems of humanity polluting like there is no tomorro I am doing my best to change things for the better in spreading the news that Stanley Meyer's water for fuel technology has been solved and trying to build build build. I posted what I think I know on this site called, "Stanley Meyer Explained." I made it into an engineers/backyard builders challange so that many working units can be built bettering the chances for wide spread distribution, for no two working units will be alike, so blocking them from being built will be all the more unlikely.


h2opower.

Go and see this:

LPACTV: Seven Delusions In Economics | LaRouchePAC

Finally someone who understands what he's talking about.

Lets see, we have a decreased activity in the cycling of the Sun (of which our carbon foot print has no effect), a continuing shift in the Earths Magnetic Poles (which for some reason is considered not to impact climate) and an increase of cosmic radiation (from what and what impact on warming) along with a normal cyclic change of the earth temperatures (substantiated by core sample from both poles among other artifacts). Yet the taxing of individuals for their carbon foot print will heal all.

It is the individual, not industry, not universal cosmic variation that is the cause of all that is happening! Lets see, is increased taxing a Capitalistic or a Socialistic methodology?

For sure, control of the populace will change the direction of the universe. Stop eating cows because of the flatulence they release, go back to whale oil lights (god are all the whales gone?), move only by public transportation on designated days for designated functions and all will correct itself.

We are doomed. Not because of our excesses, but because of our controls and those that educate us to believing we are at fault.

I would like to say something like 'Long Live Humanity', but I do not think this is a realistic view of the future. Find your cave now, for it will be needed if few understand the real movement taking place.

So we can dismiss these doctorates and all of their data as a propaganda conspiracy?

Global Climate Change: NASA's Eyes on the Earth

Should we just continue to make the arabs rich and simply drill till the very last drop has been pumped and burnt into a toxic mess? If that is safe to do maybe we should all just reroute our tailpipes to exhaust out of the middle of our steering wheels.....

I'm personally ready to stop thinking like a caveman and start acting a bit more responsibly, even if it didn't make any difference globally.

I do understand DrStiffler's point of view for just look at our history. Stanley Meyer killed, Nikola Tessla carrier destroyed, Dr. Dingel in jail for life, Paul Panton jailed reason unknown, Viktor Schauberger taken for every last cent, inventor of the "N" machine thrown from a train, and the list goes on and on of all the people that could have made a big difference in our daily lives just forgotten about, lives wrecked, and/or killed.

If you step back and take a look at us humans through a looking glass we are the worste things to ever be given life on this planet. Think of how many different animals we have wipped out for all time, how many plants and fresh water ways we have wiped out and totally polutted, and how many of our own kind we kill for a higher profit margin. In the matrix they spoke of us as a virus to this planet, and you know what I can't see much difference a lot of the time. We seem to be hell bent on our very own destruction and like a sore looser in a chess match go and flip the table because we are losing.

Sorry, I guess I am just a little upset after watching all of the animals we have pushed to the brink of extinktion, and all the forest we lay to waste without a second thought. If you do take the time to look at the human race through a looking glass you will find we are more like a virus to this planet. For all of our best sides keep getting wipped out. Like crabs in a bucket, once someone finds a cleaner better way of living with the land, they are pulled back down into the bucket.

But I still remain hopefull and will try until the day I die to aid humanity to change it's ways for the better.


h2opower.

Dear h2opower,

May I help inform you of a number of more reliable facts of history then those listed above.

Stan Meyer did die after eating a meal. He claimed he was poisoned. Officially, I do not know whether an autopsy was performed or what it may have revealed. Cause of death is "unknown", but suspicious.

Nikola Tesla died of "old age" in his apartment in New York City. This is well established.

I am not familiar with Dr. Dingel's story.

Paul Pantone was committed to a psychiatric hospital in the State of Utah, against his will. He remains there at this time.

Viktor Schauberger was cheated out of his intellectual property by some Texas millionaires, and died shortly thereafter of "a broken heart".

The "inventor of the N machine" was Bruce DePalma. Bruce and I were close friends. Bruce died in 1997 of cirrhosis of the Liver in a hospital in New Zealand.

There is a grand mythology about how many people have been killed because of their work on Free Energy technologies. In this specific case, most of your sited examples are NOT among the ones we can authoritatively refer to. In any case, this discussion is completely off topic for this thread.

Peter

Paul Pantone's wife left him and he went slightly overboard after that. The rubbish he published on his website during that period was very much work of psychically unstable man and I'm not surprised he was commited to mental institution.

As for the Channel 4 documentary that this thread is all about I think it was largely disproved by later BBC documentary on weather. They dissected "Global warming swindle" point by point and IMO they did a pretty good job of invalidating its arguments.

After reading a lot about the problem of global warming I'm now very firm on the staidpoint that there are indeed natural oscillations mainly related to sun activity. However there is definitely a men made contribution during the last century. So, I would say truth is somewhere in the middle. As usual.

hello ppl

There are many small isles on this planet where any significant rise in sea levels would indeed threaten. Models and average statistics I've seen, already show these significances yet these isles remain strong.

I'm yet to be convinced about global warming.

don't, don't don't believe the hype. Don't, Don't

Rusl

Thanks Dr. Lindemann for the needed information, guess I got Bruce mixed up with another guy that supposedly fell off the back of a train drunk but the man didn't drink. YouTube - Free Energy - A Reality Not a Conspiracy But it does get too the hard of the matter and that is those in power are using this global warming to push their agendas for a new world order, talking about the carbon tax. For the carbon tax is a way for them to fund their efforts without using their own money. Carbon is a needed gas on this planet for without it all plants would die and we too would die for plants make up the bases for all life. The gases we don't want are NO's CO's, CFR's, and others that are not natural to the life cycle of our planet.

I am not sure of the impact the water for fuel technology will have on all of this since water vapor is the most controlling factor of all of the green house gases. Like everyone else I too will just have to wait and see.

Sorry about getting that confused, I'll try and do better in the future


h2opower.

You don't have to try and build too many "free" energy machines before you start to go a little nuts. Maybe anyone who tries is nuts already. And if that's not bad enough, if you do happen to succeed, all you get is scorn, disbelief and goons telling you to knock it off. I'm surprised more inventors don't die young of cirrhosis or get locked up in the loony bin.

Ted

More fuel for the fire:

Global warming alarmists out in cold | Herald Sun

And I know it's not fashionable, but it's not hard to connect the dots when you look at the Club of Rome's document where they said that they needed something like war to unite the planet and that man-made global warming would "fit the bill" (now known under the ridiculous and ambiguous term "climate change"--in other words, "the weather"). And the aerial spraying of barium and aluminum compounds that has been ongoing for a long time now, and the HAARP installations that exist around the globe.

Come to think of it, if there is any warming going on by such mechanisms it would actually *be* man-made--just not the way it's being portrayed by the mainstream media.

Shamus,

Great article. Thanks for posting it to this thread.

Locally, here in Spokane, Washington (USA), we are emerging from the snowiest winter on record. Last winter was the "second snowiest on record" and has now been downgraded to the third snowiest, because of this winters new record. Two summers ago (2007) was blisteringly hot, with an unusual six week stretch of near 100F degree days in a row. But last summer (2008) was just beautiful with most days in the mid to upper 80's. Rainfall in the last few years has been within the normal range, which is important, because this region has a great deal of Hydro-power.

Local trends here seem to follow the observations in the article: slight cooling with yearly precipitation within the normal range.

Peter

The Denial Machine

The Denial Machine

In the past few years, a hurricane has engulfed the debate about global warming. This scientific issue has become a rhetorical firestorm with science pitted against spin and inflammatory words on both sides. This documentary shows how fossil fuel corporations have kept the global warming debate alive long after most scientists believed that global warming was real and had potentially catastrophic consequences. It shows that companies such as Exxon Mobil are working with top public relations firms and using many of the same tactics and personnel as those employed by Phillip Morris and RJ Reynolds to dispute the cigarette-cancer link in the 1990s. Exxon Mobil sought out those willing to question the science behind climate change, providing funding for some of them, their organizations and their studies.

Very nice find, M8.

That White House spokesman near the beginning of that vid was totally full of it, having the nerve to call on the great progress made in the past with water and air pollution in the Ecology movement of the 70's and 80's... Which his masters fought tooth and nail with billions in lobbying... They were only defeated via a great Grass Roots movement that went right around the politicians and FORCED them to change the laws despite them mostly being bought-off (under certain fear of losing re-election)... LOL now he is using his masters' past UTTER DEFEATS as some sort of reasoning for listening to them now?? Ridiculous.. But then they don't have very many legitimate arguments so it is not surprising they bring out absurd ones just to confuse the weak-minded. And like they said in the vid, a few months later that same guy quit the bush regime and immediately went back to his job at Exxon Mobile (which technically is ILLEGAL via Federal Law; another example of how the laws are just not being enforced anymore with these people).
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As an aside: Regarding the tobacco denialists mentioned in the vid, i once had a Customer at a private well-funded lab in Richmond VA, who bought our top-of-the-line research monitoring & recording system for blood pressure and ECG (about $100k or more)... Who was setup in his lab and was being paid very well by R.J. Reynolds: His particular Study was to prove that cigarettes are GOOD FOR YOUR STOMACH.... Lol, i kid you not
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Regarding greenhouse gas taxing as we are hearing about now in the U.S. : BEWARE!! It is another DELIBERATE method of creating more polarization, and thus no action... Despite great opposition to it, even among many Liberals who are seeing through the smoke screen, there is a move to go for "carbon taxing"... And the whole thing smells bad: It is really meant as a "red herring" that when defeated in full session (as it will certainly be.. To the point where any other Bill would not even bother trying), is designed to insure that the oil companies have NO new restrictions at all for at least 2 years, and that "Global Warming" becomes as politicized as possible. Because once that initiative is defeated the energy cartels will be "left alone" for the rest of the session... And the phony "defeat" used as a bare excuse to let them go on as predators on Society.

The REAL restrictions they fear most, increased Commodity Exchange regulation and ENFORCEMENT, probably won't be touched at all by this Congress.... Despite the fact that last year's huge and blatant oil price bubble was 100% speculation and had no ability to happen at all in a "real world" where the Rule of Law actually existed (the unchecked speculation that greatly rose oil prices broke several Anti-Trust laws, as well as SEC regs against Insider Trading and market manipulation, and "RICOH Act" for Racketeering and Organized Crime is also a strong possibility for prosecution)... And this was all ignored by the SEC, Federal law enforcement, and the corporate-owned mainstream media that could have stopped it DEAD with a very simple, 2 minute nationally-televised report on WHO was buying up the Oil Futures that greatly increased energy prices for everyone.

Oil executives and their partners in crime, international bank execs (who are often on the Boards of Directors of both corps, in a "musical chairs" arrangement), need to be prosecuted for that; as well as their other crimes of pollution world-wide, international graft and manipulating third-world governments (such as "Royal Dutch Shell" ADMITTED doing earlier this month in Africa, including ordering the MURDER of a local opposition leader), suppression, and in general insuring we are forced to use as much fossil fuel as humanly possible for as long as possible...

They may have done away with "public hanging", but sending several of these psychopaths to 30 years in Federal Prison would have a "positive" effect on the rest of them

Another video that explains the Global Warming crap is The Obama Deception.

It tells how people like Al Gore set up businesses and helped in setting up the cap and trade carbon taxes which were just passed last friday and have been called "the largest tax increase in american history". It is not a tax, but a money making scheme that will make Mr Gore and others Billions.

And isin't it funny that this was being done friday, when the mainstream media completly ignored it, meanwhile Michael Jacksons death was at the top of every major story.

I called my state rep that day and told them I was against the bill, they were also. I mentioned that it's funny because this climate bill was being supported by Mobil oil, and as we all know the oil companies have spent millions if not billions buying up inventions and suppressing anything that could end our pollution problems.

Global warming is no different than the "Race Science" used back in Nazi Germany. It is a way to tax the people heavily and will be a curb in populaton growth. I've seen articles pushed by the mainstream media stating that cows contributed to global warming because they burped and passes gas, if that's the case the people will be the next blame.

IT'S ALL ABOUT EUGENICS & POLOTICS, JUST AS THE GEORGIA GUIDESTONES STATE.

"MAINTAIN HUMANITY BELOW 500,000,000 IN PERPETUAL BALANCE WITH NATURE"

At 6:19 into this video is his claim. Is he right or wrong? We'll find out.

Link; YouTube - The Science of Predicting Weather

Warren
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Ted you already cracked this by being OPEN SOURCE

Ill go down in history now to say the only real FREE energy device that gets out there will be an open source one. I think the DOC is winning ATM. RV/MRA will be catching up this year. Ted thank you for your open source work, lets not forget what we are here for. (not off topic)

Thanks Ash, I was just being facetious. You guys are the ones who will break this field wide open. Keep up the good work.

Ted

It really doesn't matter if GW is real or not. It is better to say it is real. In my opinion, more people concern about GW, more people being expose to the energy problem we're facing. The alternative energy subject will appear on top of the priority list. Now, THAT....cannot be a bad thing.

Warning PG14 or R due to language and possible guilt trip..
http://video.google.com/googleplayer...57034306331360

Quantum, we are better off with out emissions but FAKE SCIENCE and manipulation is NOT the way to social reform.

Attack the source.

BTW

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There are six of these 10 minute You Tube videos.
This is really going to change the political game on Global Warming taxes.


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YouTube - The Cloud Mystery 2/6

Hopefully, this won't influence many to give up
or to diminish their interest in supporting R&D of clean fuels,
and clean (green) environmental technologies.
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Sustainable Oil ?
May 25, 2004, By Chris Bennett, © 2004 WorldNetDaily.com


About 80 miles off of the coast of Louisiana lies a mostly submerged mountain, the top of which is known as Eugene Island. The portion underwater is an eerie-looking, sloping tower jutting up from the depths of the Gulf of Mexico, with deep fissures and perpendicular faults which spontaneously spew natural gas. A significant reservoir of crude oil was discovered nearby in the late '60s, and by 1970, a platform named Eugene 330 was busily producing about 15,000 barrels a day of high-quality crude oil.
By the late '80s, the platform's production had slipped to less than 4,000 barrels per day, and was considered pumped out. Done. Suddenly, in 1990, production soared back to 15,000 barrels a day, and the reserves which had been estimated at 60 million barrels in the '70s, were recalculated at 400 million barrels.

Interestingly, the measured geological age of the new oil was quantifiably different than the oil pumped in the '70s. Analysis of seismic recordings revealed the presence of a "deep fault" at the base of the Eugene Island reservoir which was gushing up a river of oil from some deeper and previously unknown source. Similar results were seen at other Gulf of Mexico oil wells. Similar results. were found in the Cook Inlet oil fields in Alaska. Similar results were found in oil fields in Uzbekistan. Similarly in the Middle East, where oil exploration and extraction have been underway for at least the last 20 years, known reserves have doubled. Currently there are somewhere in the neighborhood of 680 billion barrels of Middle East reserve oil.

Creating that much oil would take a big pile of dead dinosaurs and fermenting prehistoric plants. Could there be another source for crude oil?
An intriguing theory now permeating oil company research staffs suggests that crude oil may actually be a natural inorganic product, not a stepchild of
unfathomable time and organic degradation. The theory suggests there may be huge, yet-to-be-discovered reserves of oil at depths that dwarf current world estimates. The theory is simple: Crude oil forms as a natural inorganic process which occurs between the mantle and the crust, somewhere between 5 and 20 miles deep. The proposed mechanism is as follows: * Methane (CH4) is a common molecule found in quantity throughout our solar system– huge concentrations exist at great depth in the Earth. * At the mantle-crust interface, roughly 20,000 feet beneath the surface, rapidlyrising streams of compressed methane-based gasses hit pockets of high temperature causing the condensation of heavier hydrocarbons. The product of this condensation
is commonly known as crude oil.


* Some compressed methane-based gasses migrate into pockets and reservoirs we extract as "natural gas." * In the geologically "cooler," more tectonically stable regions around the globe,the crude oil pools into reservoirs. * In the "hotter," more volcanic and tectonically active areas, the oil and natural gas continue to condense and eventually to oxidize, producing carbon dioxide and steam, which exits from active volcanoes. * Periodically, depending on variations of geology and Earth movement, oil seeps to the surface in quantity, creating the vast oil-sand deposits of Canada and Venezuela, or the continual seeps found beneath the Gulf of Mexico and Uzbekistan.

* Periodically, depending on variations of geology, the vast, deep pools of oil break free and replenish existing known reserves of oil.
There are a number of observations across the oil-producing regions of the globe that support this theory, and the list of proponents begins with Mendelev (who created the periodic table of elements) and includes Dr.Thomas Gold (founding director of Cornell University Center for Radiophysics and Space Research) and Dr.
J.F. Kenney of Gas Resources Corporations, Houston, Texas.
In his 1999 book, "The Deep Hot Biosphere," Dr. Gold presents compelling
evidence for inorganic oil formation. He notes that geologic structures where oil is
found all correspond to "deep earth" formations, not the haphazard depositions we
find with sedimentary rock, associated fossils or even current surface life.
He also notes that oil extracted from varying depths from the same oil field
have the same chemistry – oil chemistry does not vary as fossils vary with
increasing depth. Also interesting is the fact that oil is found in huge quantities
among geographic formations where assays of prehistoric life are not sufficient to
produce the existing reservoirs of oil. Where then did it come from?
Another interesting fact is that every oil field throughout the world has
outgassing helium. Helium is so often present in oil fields that helium detectors
are used as oil-prospecting tools. Helium is an inert gas known to be a fundamental
product of the radiological decay or uranium and thorium, identified in quantity at
great depths below the surface of the earth, 200 and more miles below. It is not
found in meaningful quantities in areas that are not producing methane, oil or
natural gas. It is not a member of the dozen or so common elements associated with
life. It is found throughout the solar system as a thoroughly inorganic product.
Even more intriguing is evidence that several oil reservoirs around the globe
are refilling themselves, such as the Eugene Island reservoir – not from the sides,
as would be expected from cocurrent organic reservoirs, but from the bottom up.
Dr. Gold strongly believes that oil is a "renewable, primordial soup continually
manufactured by the Earth under ultrahot conditions and tremendous pressures. As
this substance migrates toward the surface, it is attached by bacteria, making it
appear to have an organic origin dating back to the dinosaurs."
Smaller oil companies and innovative teams are using this theory to justify deep
oil drilling in Alaska and the Gulf of Mexico, among other locations, with some
success. Dr. Kenney is on record predicting that parts of Siberia contain a deep
reservoir of oil equal to or exceeding that already discovered in the Middle East.
Could this be true?
In August 2002, in the "Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (US),"
Dr. Kenney published a paper, which had a partial title of "The genesis of
hydrocarbons and the origin of petroleum." Dr. Kenney & three Russian coauthors
conclude:
The Hydrogen-Carbon system does not spontaneously evolve hydrocarbons at pressures
less than 30 Kbar, even in the most favorable environment. The H-C system evolves
hydrocarbons under pressures found in the mantle of the Earth and at temperatures
consistent with that environment.
He was quoted as stating that "competent physicists, chemists, chemical
engineers & men knowledgeable of thermodynamics have known that natural petroleum
does not evolve from biological materials since the last quarter of the 19th
century."
Deeply entrenched in our culture is the belief that at some point in the
relatively near future we will see the last working pump on the last functioning oil
well screech and rattle, and that will be that. The end of the Age of Oil. And
unless we find another source of cheap energy, the world will rapidly become a much
darker and dangerous place.
If Dr. Gold and Dr. Kenney are correct, this "the end of the world as we know
it" scenario simply won't happen. Think about it ... while not
inexhaustible, deep Earth reserves of inorganic crude oil and commercially feasible
extraction would provide the world with generations of low-cost fuel. Dr. Gold has
been quoted saying that current worldwide reserves of crude oil could be off by a
factor of over 100.
A Hedberg Conference, sponsored by the American Association of Petroleum
Geologists, was scheduled to discuss & publicly debate this issue. Papers were
solicited from interested academics & professionals. The conference was scheduled
to begin June 9, 2003, but was canceled at the last minute. A new date has yet to
be set.

ashtweth,

I do understand your point of view. I do feel the same way a while back. It is different now. I now understand the phrase "love your enemy". I stop thinking everything is a conspiracy, but rather a misunderstanding. Yes, a big misunderstanding. We have to correct this with peace and hardwork and not bias because this or that makes more sense. Right and wrong is only in the mind of the beholder. We cannot force others to see our visions, only invite them to join our vision.

quantum Truth is the only "god"

Okay? Good. Thanks for your reasoning. Forget using something to get an out come despite it being POOR SCIENCE.

Peter doesn't often agree with me, but i think he will here.
respectfully and in a healing nature
Ash