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Old 10-18-2016, 09:40 AM
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The same people who think carbon tax are the same ones in favor of
a forced everything lifestyle for the future. All free people will fight that.
Being held down and made to be bound with heavy burdens will only
develop a group of supermen to destroy that paradigm.
I think you have it all backwards and I have read all of the carbon tax legislation which will effect me twice. Agriculture is exempt for obvious reasons and for the rest it is a progressive tax based on income and fossil fuel emissions. That is the higher my income or the more fuel I burn the more I pay. Everyone with an income below $95,000 with average consumption pay nothing. Have you even read the carbon tax legislation which may effect you?.

So is the climate really changing?, to be honest I don't care. Climate change action and a carbon tax will force heavy polluters to pay for the 50% rebate on the new clean sustainable solar energy and thermal solar heating system on my farm. This gets me off grid and free of the utility companies so yes I do have a vested interest in climate change action... energy independence and my freedom. If you want to continue paying and supporting polluting utility companies that's fine but I'm opting out.

If you ever actually read your climate change action/carbon tax legislation you should look for a direct link between the producers who should pay into the system and the lower/middle income consumers who should receive something tangible.

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I wanted to keep this separate for clarity and if you are an American your should be worried. I heard the U.S. may use a cap and trade/ carbon credit system which is a disaster.

First the American polluter buys credits from a banana republic in a currency worth nothing to offset their emissions. The polluter pays almost nothing to continue business and polluting as usual and the consumer gets nothing as American dollars move offshore.

In essence you are getting screwed four ways. 1) the polluter pays next to nothing to continue polluting, 2) the American consumer receives no real benefit, 3) the polluter passes on the carbon credit loss to the consumer and 4) it creates a tax haven in the banana republic because the corporation can own the both carbon credit source and the sink which are in different countries. In effect the corporation could be paying themselves and creating a tax haven in the process.

It is a way to look like there doing something without actually doing anything and penalizing the consumer. To put it simply your being screwed.

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Old 10-19-2016, 04:51 AM
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I wanted to keep this separate for clarity
and if you are an American your should be worried.

It is a way to look like there doing something without actually doing
anything and penalizing the consumer. To put it simply your being
screwed.

AC
Exactly so stops saying that you are going to vote for "Carbon Tax"
this is another fraud. It won't work and it isn't worth your time thinking
about it and worrying.

Instead enjoy your farm, I don't see anything wrong with a good
muffler on a car or ways to clean our power plants nuclear stack.

When we see Nuclear plants removed, then we can be sure that these
people in power want to help the earth and pollution. Common sense.

Remove or clean nuclear power? Nope no such thing.

Get rid of the radiation killing generators and THEN call me in about
100 years. It ain't gonna happen, because that is not a goal of the NWO
global control freaks.

Like Aaron said I am all for clean, so let's get the nuclear spewing
shut off and then we will have done something. Outside of that we
would be straining at a Nat.

Global warming as shown by the corrupt media is nothing more than
mind poisoning propaganda. You drank the koolaid, okay so let's
deal with the false euphoria. Many are drunk on the lies injected into
them from childhood.

The media is nothing more than an extension of the mafia run child
trafficking and drug rings protected by the so called "JUSTICE DEPT"?

Yes this is the grim reality. Once you see with clarity that our world is
run by those who are willing to pull a trigger it will be easy to get this
idea across that Global warming is just another one of many frauds
spoon fed to us by the Tyrannical PUSHER of the day.

Many good people wanting to help clean up our environment have done
more to advance new technologies to a better world than those in power
with huge sums of money. The Federal regulators use THEIR seat of
authority to steal from the poor and give to the rich never accomplishing
THEIR proposed utopian goals of heaven on earth.

Global Tx is a Carbon Tax is another burden on the working class designed
to fill the pockets of the rich and at the same time keep the average
person from freedom to succeed.


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Old 10-19-2016, 08:59 PM
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Exactly so stops saying that you are going to vote for "Carbon Tax"
this is another fraud. It won't work and it isn't worth your time thinking
about it and worrying.
I think you may be confused, I am a Canadian and I did vote in favor of a real carbon tax which is in fact going to be implemented Jan 1/2017 by our Provincial government. This is not a cap/trade system but a real tax on carbon.

Why would I stop saying I'm going to vote for a carbon tax...when I already have?.

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Global Tx is a Carbon Tax is another burden on the working class designed to fill the pockets of the rich and at the same time keep the average person from freedom to succeed.
It may hinder to you but where I live it helps me. I get almost all my carbon taxes back and I get huge rebates for any renewable energy systems I install. It will actually help me to succeed in getting off grid increasing my freedom. No more utility bills and I'm pretty damn excited about it.

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I think you may be confused........

It may hinder to you but where I live it helps me. I get almost all my carbon taxes back and I get huge rebates for any renewable energy systems I install. It will actually help me to succeed in getting off grid increasing my freedom. No more utility bills and I'm pretty damn excited about it.

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You finally tell us why and it took me to get you to say it. Suck them in
and blew them out is the Carbon plan. Suck in the political support
from people like you getting free stuff that must be paid for by the
working class. Just as good as a signature. Gettin that money now.

Loop holes and promises for free everything and here come the yuppies
ridin what people think must be the "GRAVY TRAIN" and the next thing we
know here comes more free stuff.

Sounds like the communist Chinese to me. Canada does fit right in as
it is a socialist country now. I get it now AC. We here in the USA have
had the CAPITALISTIC system which use to work well til the mafia Gov
took over 60 yrs ago. I know the rebuttal that the USA capitalist system
is a bad system but remember what we are seeing here in the USA is in
fact not a capitalist system anymore. Our system is a complete
dictatorship where law and order only applies to the little people whom
are unable to rise above.

Your freebe must come from somewhere, your freebee comes from
money stolen away from the working by government kronies who
will steal all that they can in the process of redirecting funds.

So I was right about you. AC the easy money loop hole seeker.

In the end your country will collapse under communism leaving only
heavy burdens for the next generation. Enjoy.


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Old 10-20-2016, 09:27 AM
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You finally tell us why and it took me to get you to say it. Suck them in and blew them out is the Carbon plan. Suck in the political support
from people like you getting free stuff that must be paid for by the
working class. Just as good as a signature. Gettin that money now.
Working class?, I used to work three jobs a day. 3am-7am gas field operating then 8am-4pm as a power engineer then 4pm-10pm and weekends general contracting building houses. The hardest job I worked was ruffy on a drilling rig, a double. First day we tripped 8 hours straight and I was pushing around tongs heavier than me all day wearing coveralls so soaked in mud they also weighed more than me. I remember seeing pussys just like you walk away after only a couple hours and they never came back. Not to mention the fact we don't operate like those pussys down in Texas, we have grizzlies as big as a car that can tear you in half and weather down to -55C when metal starts shattering and the equipment can never be shut down. So please spare me your BS concerning the working class.

What do you do for a living?, I mean I'm just dying to hear?.

As I explained earlier, corporations pay almost all the carbon tax and the working class pay almost nothing. The working class can receive a large number of rebates for increasing efficiency and renewable energy paid for by the heaviest polluters which are generally always large corporations. Have you been listening, how many times do I have to explain this to you?.

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Old 10-20-2016, 04:10 PM
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As I explained earlier, corporations pay almost all the carbon tax and the working class pay almost nothing. The working class can receive a large number of rebates for increasing efficiency and renewable energy paid for by the heaviest polluters which are generally always large corporations.
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Old 10-20-2016, 06:51 PM
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I remember seeing pussys just like you walk away after only a couple
hours and they never came back. Not to mention the fact we don't
operate like those pussys down in Texas, we have grizzlies as big as
a car

What do you do for a living?, I mean I'm just dying to hear?.


AC

I have done similar modular building sets up to 28 commercially til my
hands were almost bitten by frost in central Michigan -40 so I can
understand you better now. Thanks AC. Those tongues are a beast.

We used salamander/heaters that burn K1 kerosene and 2 double
meat whoppers were gone in minutes and I was hungry in about
3 hours. "I" beams and steel rollers.

But what if I wore a black Tu Tu and skated before crowds? Would that
make me less worthy of free stuff? Either system will be run by men
who are dishonest and everyone will be manipulated in the end.

Not all entitlement programs are unfair. Maybe this one you are describing
is a great foot in the door where politicians are doing the right thing?

Yes I completely understand your self worth and I admire your work
ethic. Many men have been stolen from by the controlling mob of pencil
pushers and I have no doubt that you might deserve what you are
wanting.

I guess we are both built like bulls and think nobody can fill our shoes?

It's okay I understand. But still think the big wigs will out
wit the best laid plans.

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Needless to say I was trembling to pieces, bolting in fear for my life.
All he wanted was a few berries. I didn't see him til he stood up on the
tree next to me to make a show scratching his claws on the bark.

I guess that is how we will become friends?

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As I explained earlier, corporations pay almost all the carbon tax and the working class pay almost nothing. The working class can receive a large number of rebates for increasing efficiency and renewable energy paid for by the heaviest polluters which are generally always large corporations.
That may be partially true... but don't you think these corporations will indirectly pass along this extra taxation fee, ultimately back to the consumer, which is you and me? We will alway pay for it in the end and there is no getting around that.

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You may be right, I'm kind of stubborn, lol.

the rest was off topic rambling

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You may be right, I'm kind of stubborn, lol.

Then trump says he wants to punch people,

Take care Bromikey

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Here is what Alberta feds say. Trump says Nuclear Warming. Everyone can't be Godzilla physically. I agree with Trump because it is common
knowledge that the NWO dogs create earthquakes like they did in
Japan off the coast of FUKUSHIMA prefecture and 4 reactors have
been warming the ocean ever since. This is a man made warming effort
that supports THEIR lies.

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That may be partially true... but don't you think these corporations will indirectly pass along this extra taxation fee, ultimately back to the consumer, which is you and me? We will alway pay for it in the end and there is no getting around that.
I believe there is a way, first anyone with under $95,000 income and average usage gets a rebate to cover their carbon taxes.

Next the big corporate polluters pay a greater price which they write off against there profits and then they try to pass the loss on to consumers. The average consumer may pay the corporate loss which they see as a short term rise in price. However this causes the consumer to find ways to consume less which again causes another corporate loss in volume which directly effects their profit margins.

You see it is not a cap/trade system which simply relocates the pollution. The consumer will directly effect the producer volume and profits forcing them to increase efficiency or fail. Very few are going to buy a gas guzzler or a low efficiency furnace and most will be buying higher efficiency products and the increased product volume will promote lower prices.

Ultimately the bad producer and consumer lose and those willing to change will gain. There is no free lunch here and there is no business as usual...that is the whole point isn't it?. The point is to minimize detrimental effects on the consumer as the transition takes place. It is not to pay the producer or the consumer to do nothing it is meant to increase real innovation.

I mean this is a renewable energy forum isn't it?, now is your chance to do something because there is a real impetus for change. Unless of course everyone was just talking BS and never intended to change anything.

There is one thing we know as a fact, if there is a real market for better high efficiency products then the the capitalists and their wealth will move in that direction. Ultimately the carbon tax should have one goal and that is to skew the markets towards higher efficiency and lower emissions with the least amount of disturbance.

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Old 10-21-2016, 09:39 AM
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I mean this is a renewable energy forum isn't it?, now is your chance to do something because there is a real impetus for change. Unless of course everyone was just talking BS

AC
This a fairytale statement when you look at us scolding and mocking
the free energy seekers as if we are responsible for all of new innovations
that you think must come. Calling us full of BS as if we should be
running to the front with all new designs.

These are very ignorant and bitter words coming from someone who
claims to be a seeker of extra energy. I find your parallel hateful telling
me to jump to it when many men have been killed for doing what you suggest. You claim we are full of BS if we don't rise to the task of
reducing the carbon foot print.

I remember coming to this point with you before in the past.

You are hateful bitter man full of hypocrisy. I would say
shame on you but I realize now that you have none. So pitiful.
The people studying here to find ways to get the extra energy must
do so quietly and peacefully if they are to live out their lives without
being threatened.

What we do here is personal and has nothing to do with you or anyone
else. We will run our homes and help our friends so we may stay alive
keeping our families safe. Nobody cares about your frustrations and how
you take them out on the innocent.

I can see now that you fall into the category "Layer in Wait" this is
a calculated position to take down the opponent. Sorry nice try but
you are uncovered.

We are not in the dark so playing the ignorant card won't work here.
Unless you are really that thick that you can't figure a few of these
things out for yourself? Then what are you doing here posing as a
free energy guru?

Or is it more that you want the invention but because you are unable
to get a freebee you lash out ridiculous? It's really stinky from here.

I will say it again, the system does not want innovation, THEY are
flying around in UFO craft 1000's of years ahead of our stone-age
loin cloth. THEY don't need our silly energy projects by comparison to
save mankind, THEY don't want to save the planet. THEY want to
choke it off so humans die in large numbers. Reduce carbon and raise
the radiation content so the rise of superbugs will prevail.

After the reduction of 6 billion THEIR plan is to turn it all back on.
Now go do some more homework before you come back blowing off
about the group being full of BS.

Just keep it up.

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I wish you well Bromikey and this thread has been interesting, it has taught me many things about people. I would agree what we say means little...it is what we do.

Good luck my friend

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I wish you well Bromikey and this thread has been interesting, it has taught me many things about people. I would agree what we say means little...it is what we do.

Good luck my friend

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Something to consider:

Here's a well thought out article written by a chemistry expert, explaining why CO2 cannot possibly cause global warming. As the article points out,

"it makes sense to ask the question – if the ocean were to be heated by ‘greenhouse warming’ of the atmosphere, how hot would the air have to get? If the entire ocean is heated by 1˚C, how much would the air have to be heated by to contain enough heat to do the job?


Well, unfortunately for every ton of water there is only a kilogram of air. Taking into account the relative heat capacities and absolute masses, we arrive at the astonishing figure of 4,000˚C.


That is, if we wanted to heat the entire ocean by 1˚C, and wanted to do it by heating the air above it, we’d have to heat the air to about 4,000˚C hotter than the water."
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Even though the thought of being able to heat the air to such an extreme is an absurdity in and of itself, the author then points out that since the air is above the water [and since everyone would agree that hot air rises] the hot air would have very little effect upon water below the surface of the ocean.

Ocean water can warm, but when it does it is not the result of mankind's meddling through increased CO2 levels causing a greenhouse gas effect. Rather, it is because of increases in the amount of solar energy reaching our planet, just as happens each year due to a change in seasons from winter to summer - and is something that is beyond man's ability to control. Thus, any proposed plan that would supposedly limit or prevent global warming is merely a hoax at best, and a terrible hoax at worst if the consequences of implementing such a plan cause harm to those who, it is claimed, would be the so-called benefactors of such a plan.

Click this link to read the full article:
Chemistry Expert: Carbon Dioxide can’t cause Global Warming
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Not so well writen

The article was suposed to have been written by a chemist, well not so well thought out, it is full of errors.

I will agree that it is not only CO2 that is causing global warming, but oh yes the earth is warming ATM, weather conditions have been changing, earthquakes are on the rise, volcanos are more prone to erupting, loss of deep ice at the poles, higher air temperatures for longer periods, huge weather swings causing very dry or very wet conditions.

We need CO2 because all plant life lives on it and gives us back clean O2 for us to breath. The world is a very finely balanced place, start changing the balance and things will change, so what have we changed to cause this???

There is a very long list, I will start it, others can continue it

Over population
Chemical contamination
Deforestation
Fracking
Bad waste disposal
21st century waring
Oil drilling disasters
Over fishing the sea and biological manipulation of the food chain on land


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Here's a well thought out article written by a chemistry expert, explaining why CO2 cannot possibly cause global warming. As the article points out,

"it makes sense to ask the question – if the ocean were to be heated by ‘greenhouse warming’ of the atmosphere, how hot would the air have to get? If the entire ocean is heated by 1˚C, how much would the air have to be heated by to contain enough heat to do the job?


Well, unfortunately for every ton of water there is only a kilogram of air. Taking into account the relative heat capacities and absolute masses, we arrive at the astonishing figure of 4,000˚C.


That is, if we wanted to heat the entire ocean by 1˚C, and wanted to do it by heating the air above it, we’d have to heat the air to about 4,000˚C hotter than the water."
--------------------------------------


Even though the thought of being able to heat the air to such an extreme is an absurdity in and of itself, the author then points out that since the air is above the water [and since everyone would agree that hot air rises] the hot air would have very little effect upon water below the surface of the ocean.

Ocean water can warm, but when it does it is not the result of mankind's meddling through increased CO2 levels causing a greenhouse gas effect. Rather, it is because of increases in the amount of solar energy reaching our planet, just as happens each year due to a change in seasons from winter to summer - and is something that is beyond man's ability to control. Thus, any proposed plan that would supposedly limit or prevent global warming is merely a hoax at best, and a terrible hoax at worst if the consequences of implementing such a plan cause harm to those who, it is claimed, would be the so-called benefactors of such a plan.

Click this link to read the full article:
Chemistry Expert: Carbon Dioxide can’t cause Global Warming

Mr Mark Imisides have a site to counsel Housewifes about best cleaners in the Market...:

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Now He is "running for Office"...so he is trying to get involved with all sheeple who thinks "every thing is just fine...there is NO GLOBAL WARMING...AT ALL"

Maybe Mr Imisides Political Campaign is being FUNDED by some OIL CARTEL somewhere in Australia...who knows?

Bottom line...Is he really a "Chemist Expert" in the HUGE Global situation we have?

Absolutely NOT!!

So, Mark...keep showing the housewife's better cleaners for their dishwashing machines...that's what you do best!!...And leave the GLOBAL WARMING SITUATION for the Real Experts and even then, let's make sure they are not being bought out.


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The article was suposed to have been written by a chemist, well not so well thought out, it is full of errors.

I will agree that it is not only CO2 that is causing global warming, but oh yes the earth is warming ATM, weather conditions have been changing, earthquakes are on the rise, volcanos are more prone to erupting, loss of deep ice at the poles, higher air temperatures for longer periods, huge weather swings causing very dry or very wet conditions.

We need CO2 because all plant life lives on it and gives us back clean O2 for us to breath. The world is a very finely balanced place, start changing the balance and things will change, so what have we changed to cause this???

There is a very long list, I will start it, others can continue it

Over population
Chemical contamination
Deforestation
Fracking
Bad waste disposal
21st century waring
Oil drilling disasters
Over fishing the sea and biological manipulation of the food chain on land


Regards

Mike

Hello Mike!!

Could not put it better than you did above!!, excellent post!

Problem is...it is NOT just related to CO2 BS...CO2 I drink it all the time in a Coca Cola Soda Can ...then I burp it most out...

Thing is...All FARTING MACHINES, which is our only means of transportation on this primitive Planet, which is completely RIDICULOUS...FART NOT ONLY CO2...But LETHAL HYDROCARBONS GALORE...which Most "Expert Chemists" who could brake down all of them and handle it on a HUGE list...are under direct payroll of OIL CARTELS...very carefully and well handled...and then who will?

The Experiment is SO SIMPLE:

Turn On a Home Generator and put it on your bedroom...get some ear plugs and drink a good, strong sleeping pill...Have someone watch you with some REMOTE pulse reading (yeah, because if that person is with you in the room...He will die as well)...and then before an hour has gone you will be in an Emergency Room -if lucky enough- to be assisted with massive brain and heart failure...


SIMPLE EXPERIMENT..

You wanna try it?...By all means go ahead, do it!...And You don't need to be no "Expert Chemist" to make it!!

Now was that farting generator exhausting only the same CO2 that we drink on a Soda Can?

Of course not, got to be VERY STUPID to think that way!!


Just looking at the REAL FACTS about our Globe...we can see Polar Caps almost gone...see the degradation over the last fifty (50) years.

Now where there was normal cold temps...is boiling hot...Tropics are burning...Forest Fires, Volcanos which were "sleeping" are waking up...

Now Tropical Thunderstorms "Season" had to be expanded ...how many months now?

I really hate stupid people...stupid sheeples who think "every thing is just fine"...BS!!!

But some just maybe working for OIL CARTELS as well...after all they got all the Federal Reserve Funds they have ever printed...since they also own that "Printing Paper Factory"!


Thanks for your post Mike...sorry about the rant...NOT directed to You my friend!!




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Chemistry Expert: Carbon Dioxide can’t cause Global Warming

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In a nutshell, water takes a lot of energy to heat up, and air doesn’t contain much. In fact, on a volume/volume basis, the ratio of heat capacities is about 3300 to 1. This means that to heat 1 litre of water by 1˚C it would take 3300 litres of air that was 2˚C hotter, or 1 litre of air that was about 3300˚C hotter!

This shouldn’t surprise anyone. If you ran a cold bath and then tried to heat it by putting a dozen heaters in the room, does anyone believe that the water would ever get hot?
This is a bad comparison because the water absorbs energy from Sunlight then the greenhouse gasses prevent the heat from being radiated away at night. Carbon dioxide (C02), has a relative insulation value 65% greater than air so more heat is retained. I don't need to be a Chemistry Expert to understand how
a greenhouse works, sunlight heats stuff up and the insulation keeps the heat in. I think they teach this in Grade 4 or 5 if I remember correctly.
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I see that my post about chemistry expert Dr Mark Imisides is being challenged, and that really doesn't surprise me. After all, anyone who doesn't swallow what the IPCC claims is "settled science" regarding global warming and climate change is automatically labeled a "denier" rather than being respectfully acknowledged as someone who has come to a different conclusion based upon the scientific evidence of the matter. Well, there are plenty of reputable scientists who refute the junk science offered by the IPCC, and Dr Mark Imisides is just one of them. Climate change alarmists would have us believe that there is a broad consensus among scientists, and that "deniers" are in a very small minority. That in itself is actually a huge lie, as the "broad consensus" only accounts for about 79 scientists. Perhaps those here who parrot statements made by these politically oriented climate scientists are unaware that 31,487 scientists (over 9,000 of which have Phd's) have signed a statement rejecting the conclusions offered by climate alarmists. The statement reads as follows:

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We urge the United States government to reject the global warming agreement that was written in Kyoto, Japan in December 1997, and any other similar proposals. The proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind. There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing, or will, in the foreseeable future cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.
For more on the above statement, see this video.

Getting back to Dr Mark Imisides, though it may seem like fun to show a photo of him holding some household chemical cleaning products in his hands as though that photo somehow discredits him is absurd. First of all, Dr Imisides holds a Phd in chemistry, so when it comes to chemicals and chemical reactions, he knows what he is talking about. Secondly, the photo comes from an Australian TV program in which Imisides took the name Dr Chemical and warned consumers of the false claims made by companies regarding supermarket cleaning products. That's a good thing to have done, right?

Anyways, Dr Imisides has also been making an effort to educate Australians about the false narrative concerning carbon dioxide. To point out how absurd the Australian government's proposed spending of $10 billion by 2020 to cut Australia's carbon dioxide emissions by 5 percent actually is, Dr Imisides says the following:

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[atmospheric] CO2 concentration is about 400 ppm. In percentage terms, that is 0.04%. Of that, about 3% is man-made. Of that, 1.3% comes from Australia. And our government wants to reduce emissions by 5% at a cost of about $10 billion by 2020 (I’m unable to find exact figures). In other words, we are going to spend $10 billion to cut CO2 concentration by 5% of 1.3% of 3% of 0.04%. That works out to roughly a change of one part in 120 million. The effect that this will have on global temperature is 0.0038° C.
And here’s the point – these are the IPCC calculations. (You could mention that these calculations are based on computer models that have already been shown to overestimate the influence of CO2, but let’s not confuse things).
In this kind of environment I like to resolve the issue into an indisputable fact and say so. So you could say something like 'it is a statement of fact that the government’s direct action policy will change global temperatures by an amount so small that it can’t even be measured.'
This is a point that most non-scientists will not understand. Some things can be measured down to very small numbers (like mass and distance), but temperature is not one of them. The reason is simply that the technology does not exist, mainly because there is no need for it. I’ve seen temperature measured down to the second decimal point, but that’s it. Nothing, but nothing has a stable temperature below that point.
I'll leave you with some additional facts to ponder:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICGal_8qI8c
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Judicial Watch files FOIA lawsuit seeking climate collusion communications

Judicial Watch, a government watchdog group, has filed a FOIA lawsuit looking for e-mails and other communications records showing collusion between John Holdren (former director of Obama’s Office of Science and Technology Policy) and Tom Karl, the former head of the climate-data program at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA). Karl wrote a 2015 report attempting to disprove the then 15 year pause in global warming, and submitted the report shortly before the Paris Climate Connference, saying that, "that the rate of warming over the first 15 years of this century has, in fact, been as fast or faster than that seen over the last half of the 20th century.” This February, John Bates, a retired former head of NOAA’s climate-data archive, wrote a lengthy exposé detailing misconduct at NOAA related to the report. According to a Judicial Watch article, regarding this exposé:

"The allegations included using inappropriately 'corrected' datasets, violating agency protocol on data review, and failing to archive the data. In the most damning allegation, Bates said: 'In every aspect of the preparation and release of the datasets . . . we find Tom Karl’s thumb on the scale pushing for, and often insisting on, decisions that maximize warming and minimize documentation.' (You can read more about Bates’ allegations here and a subsequent smear campaign by the scientific establishment here.)"

Read more at: Judicial Watch Lawsuit Seeks Obama White House Records on Controversial Global-Warming Report | National Review
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The truth about "extreme weather" events.

There has been a lot of climate alarmism hype claiming that climate change and global warming is causing an upsurge in extreme weather events, including hurricanes, tornadoes, typhoons, and cyclones, which are all the same weather phenomenon and are named differently only because of location. Sadly for the climate change alarmist narrative, NOAA released research that found “it is premature to conclude that human activities – and particularly greenhouse gas emissions that cause global warming – have already had a detectable impact on Atlantic hurricane or global tropical cyclone activity.” This at the same time that data revealed the Southern Hemisphere just had its quietest hurricane/cyclone year on record.
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The long Maine winter

Here's an interesting tidbit. There were record snowfalls here in Maine in 2016/2017, and many places saw as much as 72 inches fall within just a 10 day period. There is still snow in the woods where I live, and in northern Maine the average ground cover was over 12 inches until April 11th. It had been over 12 inches continuously since late November, which set an all-time record. We Mainers are glad to see a little bit of warming finally coming our way after this long winter cold spell. No global warming here, lol.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.789336dc91e8
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Trump pulls the plug on global climate swindle.

Here he is rubbing it in.The swamp is running naked with worry
that THEY won't be able to get the easy money off the backs
of hard working USA blue collar workers.


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Perspective on Co2

I will need some more precision on these percentages, any help on my figures would be appreciated?. Here is my article re-posted here, regards Arto.

Here is a reasonably accurate volumetric equivalence for man made Co2, which in the true scale of natures processes is an insignificant amount and of no concern to our future, cows fart far more green houses gases than mankind makes. Pollution of our food and local environment should be of more concern than a natural gas that is required for our living system. Historically the Earth has had many more times the Co2 than the present by many factors of scaling.

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...The "Long Maine Winter" and..."lol"

Yeah, right...it has been a heck of a long winter right?

Sure...watch what is providing that "intense" cold weather, as increasing its rate in a "per year basis"...:

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Now a more recent image (from NASA)

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Isn't it VERY OBVIOUS, PEOPLE, that We are LOOSING ICE along the years MASSIVELY??...or are you ALL PEOPLE BLIND?!!

Of course you are gonna have HECK OF WINTERS...No "Global Warming here and "lol"??...of course not...wait till "Your North Cap" is ALL gone...Then, let me watch your laugh melts down over EXTREME HEAT , MUCH WORST than the middle of African Desert at noon time.

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THEN...THE WAY THEY "PAINT IT" ALL "SO GREEN"...

NOW...about EVEN the wording seems SO FREAKING NAIVE, AND SO NICELY "PUT TOGETHER" AND SO "OK" AND SO COOL!!...:

"HUMAN ACTIVITIES"....and..."GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS"...I really laugh out loud at this "So Nice WORDING"...

IT IS NOT "HUMAN ACTIVITIES"...Human "activities" sounds like the Human Body needs to defecate as an "Activity" every certain hours of digestion...

NOPE, it is STRICTLY OIL, GAS AND COAL "ACTIVITIES" ABOUT BURNING GLOBALLY AND EVERYWHERE POSSIBLE...SO IT IS FUNDAMENTALLY AN OIL BASED CORPORATIONS "ACTIVITIES"

AND ALSO...NOPE, it is NOT A "GREENHOUSE GAS"...It is a STINKING, BLACK AND DENSE, HEAVY POLLUTING SMOKE WHICH "LINGERS" AMONG US ALL...AND IT IS COMPLETELY NON BREATHABLE FREAKING EMISSIONS!!!


But then ALL THE SHEEPLE KEEP USING THIS AWKWARD VOCABULARY...so, Psychologically does not cause a "Panic Reaction" and so...don't look as important...

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And like I wrote B4...It is NOT JUST ABOUT CO2...

IT IS MAINLY ALL THE NICE "ZOOMBIE" MIX OF BAZOOKA BURNT HYDROCARBONS COCKTAIL MOLOTOV, DERIVATIVE FROM MASSIVE AND GLOBALLY OIL-GAS-COAL BURNING IN EVERY INCH OF THIS PLANET!!!


Style type Cavern Men did to "warm up" on a fire...all naked under a cold planet...


I really can NOT BELIEVE...How many Intelligent Minds gather here...reunited to post so much non sense...REALLY!!


And am sorry...excuse My bluntness, but I can NOT be just quiet "and Cool" over such SERIOUS ISSUE, which ALL OIL CARTELS AND DERIVATED INDUSTRIES have been trying to COVER UP with MASSIVE INVESTMENTS...SAME WAY THEY HAVE "INVESTED" SO MUCH, TO COVER UP FREE ENERGY FOR OVER 200 YEARS...


Sincerely


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My problem is that I can not believe nor do I trust these people
who are manipulating the data. Since THEY (Those who control the
agenda) have been in power (entrenched) for generations then it
stands to reason that THEY are making the data fit THEIR purposes.

Here is a prime example. Polar bears slipping off icebergs are fun but
not conclusive. In this example we can see how cycles and seasons
can be used to trick the unsuspecting.

I'm right and that is all there is to it.










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