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Europol: $7.4 Billion Lost from Carbon Trading Fraud in Europe

Europol: $7.4 Billion Lost from Carbon Trading Fraud in Europe - Green Inc. Blog - NYTimes.com (whole article)

December 10, 2009, 2:05 pm Europol: $7.4 Billion Lost from Carbon Trading Fraud in Europe

By ROBERT P. WALZER Update | 12/11/09, 9:43 a.m. France has begun a criminal investigation into four men suspected of involvement in carbon-trading fraud, according to a report from Bloomberg. Two have been jailed.


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IPCC member won't be quoted on camera...

Professor Schneider, who is a senior member of the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), said he would not comment on emails that may have been incomplete or edited …
as the press conference drew to a close Professor Schneider’s assistant called armed UN security guards to the room. They held McAleer and aggressively ordered cameraman Ian Foster to stop filming. The guard threatened to take away the camera and expel the film crew from the conference if they did not obey his instructions to stop filming Professor Schneider.
The guard demanded to look at the film crews press credentials and refused to allow them to film until Professor Schneider left the room.



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What you have not been told about Global Warming - the five missing facts | Mail Online

Dr David Whitehouse is an author, scientist and adviser to the Global Warming Policy Foundation. For many years he was a BBC science correspondent.Here he explains how global warming data cannot prove the claims of climate change campaigners...

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It is funny the hype about getting Palin and Gore to have a debate.
Neither one of them are experts in climate science.

They should have an open international debate between credentialed
scientists that have years of experience in the climate field and present
both their evidence.

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George Soros, Obama's money man, is now saying we need to come up
with $100 BILLION instead of $10 billion because $10 billion isn't enough.
Yeah, the more the better for the "circle of commitment" and whatever
other secret money control interests are behind the scenes.
So lets just hand billions and billions over to the world bank so they can
pay it out to save the poor countries from an impending disaster...not!

This is the same bush mentality...you're even for us or you're against us.
We have been threatened with marshall law to pass the bogus stimulus
package. congress was intimidated to pass the patriot act without
reading it - and in the name of the crisis, it must be done now!

Copenhagen is the same thing...fear mongering lies to extort many billions
of global tax payers money into the controlling hands of a few.

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If it passes, the world is cooling anyway, and they will take credit... "see, our cap on co2 has now slowed the warming..." lol, which is already happening.

George Bush's grandfather taught him and his daddy:
1. Admit nothing
2. Deny everything
3. Take credit for everything

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The African nations are not happy about the "low" amounts of money
the developed nations are pledging. They say it is like the leaders are
climate skeptics themselves and don't want to commit very much.

Climate talks: First blows are struck over proposed deal

China, which is also aligned to the G77 group, likewise demanded that rich nations spell out long-term commitments on funding, while the United States said the text on emissions curbs meant China and other emerging giants would not be required to pull their weight.


"The United States is not going to do a deal without major developing countries stepping up," said chief US negotiator Todd Stern.


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AccuWeather Forecaster on Climate Change: 'It’s Ice not Fire You’re Going to Be Worried about Down the Road'

AccuWeather Forecaster on Climate Change: 'It’s Ice not Fire You’re Going to Be Worried about Down the Road' | NewsBusters.org

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Maybe people should get tax credits or something for using bicycles or walking instead of driving... show receipts for bus passes, etc...

The reason is that it would reduce our dependence on foreign oil, would
reduce emissions but it would get people into shape and maybe reduce
the nations health problems at the same time...lol
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...with $100 BILLION instead of $10 billion because $10 billion isn't enough.
Because someone have to pay the Bill for the Girls here ->
Prostitutes offer free sex to global-warming delegates in Copenhagen
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Groups of agitant green youth corps invaded the stage during Lord Monckton’s speech at an Americans for Prosperity event in Copenhagen yesterday, attempting to sabotage the private meeting while chanting cult-like environmental mantras in a shocking example of how the environmentalist elite have activated cadres of young brownshirts to crush the free speech of anyone who dares dissent against the global warming authodoxy.

A Huffington Post write-up of the incident attempts to characterize Monckton as the villain of the story because he called the teenage brownshirts out for what they were, “crazed Hitler youth.”
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suppression of an opposing opinion

That's too bad. The believers in agw are having their say with an
incredibly strong advantage as the meeting is organized by believers
for the most part. (talking about main Copenhagen meeting)

If they didn't like the message of opposition, they could have held
up protest signs silently or ignored the meeting so even fewer people
would have known about the talk.

I think Lord Monkton missed a great opportunity to take the card
of that guy and build a relationship with him and present the
evidence. I can understand he's angry from being disrupted.
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Excellent up-to-date reading from the Monckton camp:
Global Warming Science and Public Policy - Copenhagen Climate Concerns

And especially:
The SPPI Blog

When I read Greg Craven's book "What's the worst that could happen?" not so long ago, and I then so thought Monckton was the villan. The difference some personal research, and exposure to other sources, like one's own mind, can make...
The alarming bit about my own turnaround : it took much longer than to believe Craven's warming book, which basically offers the human mind a basis to accept any kind of financial investment to save the climate, as it's better than the alternative, being burning up.
Interesting about Craven's (very helpful) decision grid system, is that it places peer-reviewed research very high up, as important to take into consideration. Now that the peer reviewing looks to be a bad gentlemen's club, that alone would be a huge undermining of Warmer's actions.
Big moneymakers being on board about global warming, Craven should have signaled to his readers as a big red flag. These people care about money first, their mistress second, children 3rd, wife 4th, and then very far down, Mother Earth. Having them on board, hints that climate may be just the word to break it to the other 7 billions, to pay for their little schemes.
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Lord Monckton Warns the Queen

Lord Monkton warns the queen for breaking the law - getting involved with politics...

Lord Monckton Warns the Queen
Lord Monckton Warns the Queen

Dec. 11, 2009 (EIRNS)—Lord Christopher Monckton, the British scientist who has taken the point against the Global Warming fraud, showed just how serious he is in opposing this move for global dictatorship in the name of fighting climate change, in an interchange in Berlin, Germany on Dec. 4. Monckton was asked by EIR's Stefan Ossenkopp: "The Queen gathered 53 heads of state in Trinidad recently and made the strong point that the British Commonwealth should gain a global perspective through the Copenhagen Conference. What is this all about?"
Monckton answered:
This is the first time that her Majesty has spoken out of turn and against her constitutional requirement not to intervene into politics since she took the throne. This is a very sad day. I am a very loyal subject to her Majesty. She should not have said what she said. Of course one cannot ask her to withdraw it now that it has been said, but what one can ask is that she had better not ever say anything of that character again in one direction or another. That is not her place as a constitutional monarch. And she must remember that, or she will lose our loyalty, and then she will lose the throne.
Monckton's is no idle threat, coming from this source: It was Lord Monckton's grandfather who arranged the 1936 abdication of the Queen's uncle, Edward VIII.
Meanwhile, Monckton, who is attending the Copenhagen conference, is issuing warnings to all who will listen about the danger of a global dictatorship being implemented out of the Copenhagen Climate Change Conference. As Helga Zepp-LaRouche cited him in a leaflet being circulated at that conference:
The Copenhagen Treaty says that it is going to establish a world government. This has been an ambition of certain bureaucrats, certain political groupings, fascists, freemasons, marxists, for hundreds of years. All these different groups, all at once, or one after another, wanted to achieve world domination. Previously, it was thought it might happen by force, by military force. Now they found a way of doing it by what one might call a bureaucratic coup d'état in the name of saving the planet, which doesn't need to be saved. There is no threat to the climate. They have decided that they can persuade even the free nations of the West to give up their democracy, give up their freedom, and transfer all ultimate economic as well as environmental power to an unelected world government.
Monckton speaks for a group of scientists, and British elitists, who understand not only that the anthropogenic global warming thesis is a fraud, but that it will lead to global genocide and dictatorship. To fight such a horror, he is willing to challenge his Queen. The question is whether Americans will be willing to challenge their President.
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UN suppression of journalists who ask questions

As the following video shows, any legitimate journalist who asks legitimate questions that make climate change advocates uncomfortable will be quickly removed by UN security police. Strange, isn't it, how there was no such security available when Lord Monckton was overrun by a horde of disruptive goons.

YouTube - Armed Response to 'Climategate' question
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A Congressman tells it like it is

I don't often agree with California Congressman Dana Rohrabacher on issues, but his December 8 presentation concerning the EPA Greenhouse Gas ruling, and the tyranny behind the Copenhagen summit deserves praise. He spoke for close to an hour, and it often seemed as though he was quoting material presented in this thread. Perhaps we are his study source. In any case, I'm glad that at least one Congressman has stepped forward to read all this into the Congressional record, and I do hope that others will also voice their outrage. If our state representatives don't follow suit then we should strongly voice our outrage to them for not coming forward and taking a stand.

Listen to Dana's closing statements here: YouTube - Rep Dana Rohrabacher blasts Copenhagen; EPA GHG ruling, and Copenhagen, part 6

You will then find links to the previous 5 parts of his speech. Dana is not a smooth, polished orator like Obama, but unlike Obama it's not how he says things - it's what he says that counts. In this instance, at least, Dana tells it like it is and doesn't mince words in describing what is really going on.
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YouTube - ClimateGate for dummies Part 1
YouTube - Al Gore Lies about Melting Ice and Rising Sea Levels
YouTube - Pt 4 of 5 Discussion about One World Government Treaty between Glenn Beck, & Lord Monckton
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The new EU President, Herman Van Rompuy, has proclaimed 2009 as the "first year of global governance." During Rompuy's intervention as President on November 19th, he stated:

"2009 is also the first year of global governance, with the establishment of the G20 in the middle of the financial crisis. The climate conference in Copenhagen is another step towards the global management of our planet."
It is total and complete common sense that a statement like this clearly
shows that Copenhagen is more than an environmental issue...it is about
a one world govt and Obama is clearly for this illegal movement. He clearly
believes that war is necessary for peace as he stated in his war is peace
and peace is war nobel speech, while rewriting history at the same time.


Obama and other co2 believers and giving lip service about not totally
being for the treaty since it doesn't address the reduction of emissions
in developing countries strong enough. That means that if it does, Obama
WOULD sign it and step us towards the global management of our planet,
which would include managing the united states of America by the un.
Any American that supports Copenhagen, whether man-made co2 is

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Earth could plunge into sudden ice age

Earth could plunge into sudden ice age

Experts: ‘Big Freeze’ about 12,800 years ago happened within months


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Demonstrations

YouTube - We Now Have A Total Gangster Government
YouTube - How To Brainwash A Nation
YouTube - Pt 4 of 5 Discussion about One World Government Treaty between Glenn Beck, & Lord Monckton

Actually, here in Germany, there is not much about Copenhagen at the News,
they are quit, like Sheeps allways are, and they are taught to.

Some Notes about the Demonstrations, but i dont even think,
that the Peoples from this Organisations really know, what do happen there.
At one side, anyhow, they make pressure to the Scientists, to sign the contract,
but they most come from 'non-profit' Organisations, which are anyway obviously controlled by the GW idolizer.
Most of this Organisations are actually set up from Pharmaindustrie
or other big Companys,
the low Peoples, what are involved into them just serve them unkowingly,
that the Companys reach her higher Aims.
It is with the Healthorgantisations the same, they collect tons of Gifts,
but helping Methods will be surpressed.
Some even dont know, what all you can heal with Herbals,
but the knowledge about goes down the River.

And the Peoples, what are 'used' in such Demonstrations can act like a silent Army,
to lead the Pressure to, where they want to have to.
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and well, i forgot to mention, at a Vid, they said,
as 1985 was a very cold Period, some Scientists said,
All Water will freeze at the Poles and press the remaining Water over the Land,
and all will go under Water.
Seems the global Warming can be better sold then Global Cooling.
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Russia Demands Its Credits

Russia Demands Its Credits

Moscow, to Keep Its Carbon Permits, Threatens to Block a Global Climate Deal

Russia Demands Its Credits - WSJ.com
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Copenhagen Protests

The past two days have seen many protests going on in Copenhagen. The Saturday event brought out nearly 75,000 demonstrators. Some were protesting the phony science of the global warming advocates, while for the largest part people were demanding that the UN take swift and decisive action to implement a strong treaty. These people are being duped into doing exactly what the UN climate change advocates want - demanding that the UN take action on their evil agenda, and calling for the fall of capitalism. It's the old Problem-Reaction-Solution trick being foisted on the world yet again, and few appear to have wised up to it. To add to the confusion, hundreds of so-called "anarchists" showed up on Saturday dressed in the usual black attire and began trashing the otherwise peaceful protests. No doubt many of these people were probably UN sponsored provocateurs. This gave police an excuse to arrest anyone they wanted to remove, of course. And the police kept a tight lid on Sunday protests, where far less people showed up. In photos shown of Sundays protests, there appeared to be more police than protesters. The main theme Sunday appeared to be a defeat of capitalism, rather than a call for climate policy.

YouTube - Copenhagen Protest Turns Violent: Hundreds Arrested
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The Great Global Warming Swindle

The Great Global Warming Swindle (this thread)

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Copenhagen climate conference: sunspot theory for global warming attacked

The theory that signs of global warming could be the result of sunspots rather than carbon dioxide emissions caused by humans has come under attack from climate scientists.

By John Bingham
Published: 9:08AM GMT 14 Dec 2009
Sceptics about man-made climate change frequently cite research apparently linking natural variations in solar activity with fluctuations in temperatures on Earth.



The alternative explanation was the centrepiece of The Great Global Warming Swindle, a 2007 Channel 4 documentary which provoked fierce argument.

whole article here...
Copenhagen climate conference: sunspot theory for global warming attacked - Telegraph
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What the Copenhagen Treaty is really all about

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Good interview Rick. I hope there is a no-tolerance campaign to any
executive dictatorship in this matter to circumvent congress.

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Here is an interesting twist on a new proposed bill, that I don't think
will go anywhere.

Climate Curveball: Senate Bill Taps Negative Mood Toward Wall Street - Washington Wire - WSJ

Introduced by Maria Cantwell (from my town Spokane).

It makes no sense whatsoever that I can see.

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Oklahoma senator plans to rain on climate talks - USATODAY.com
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Obama has no power to make climate deal: US lawmaker

AFP: Obama has no power to make climate deal: US lawmaker
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Antarctic Ice is raising at East side and middle part, just melting at West part.
YouTube - Newt Rips Gore's 'Facts' To Pieces

Clinton had not the Rights too, to sign it 1997? but he did still.
Someone mentioned, most Peoples dont know it, that this has no Power,
when the Senat dont agree with it,
but at the other Hand a lot of the Senators sign up Things, what they even dont know, what it is about.
Probatly its only to form a Direction, and then wash the Brain from the Peoples with the Media.

I only hope, they can sue AlGore
YouTube - Al Gore sued by over 30.000 Scientists for Global Warming fraud / John Coleman

But this Vids are still old, from April, wonder, why it still goes that far.
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YouTube - Sen Inhofe debunks the science in Al Gore's movie

Anyhow, you can call it ' A Movie, what tries to become True '



April 2007.
Inhofe even commits, that IPCC did manipulate the Datas for a lower Sealevel.
YouTube - Bloomberg Interview with Senator Inhofe
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Inconvenient truth for Al Gore as his North Pole sums don't add up

Al Gore got caught making up phony numbers again to use a scare tactic
to push the co2 agenda.
Inconvenient truth for Al Gore as his North Pole sums don't add up

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Generation Investment Management ~ Al Gore's Motive

Here is the company al gore setup to buy carbon credits from himself.
Generation Investment Management LLP

Global Warming, a multi-billion dollar scam

Gore is set to make a lot more than 100 million on the co2 scam.
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Yes that was my suspects many days ago, Castro speaking with his Sheep Chavez about Climate Change, seems Communist is trying to take the world throught Climate Change theory. I don't know but I'm Sun Activity theory supporter, because we feel warmmer is true, but when you feel the sun is like a Microwave Oven. Is possible get info about sun activity annual ?
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Gore Wants Global Warming Meeting Held in July

This one had me almost rolling...

Gore Wants Global Warming Meeting Held in July

Posted: 8:28 PM Dec 15, 2009
Gore Wants Global Warming Meeting Held in July
Al Gore is suggesting a faster pace for a binding deal to fight global warming.

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I think Al Gore has finally had enough of the "Gore Effect."

There has been an unprecedented amount of cancellations
of all kinds of "global warming" meetings, conferences, etc...
by Al Gore and company that are closed because of snow
storms, icy wind storms, etc... and of course we see
Snowenhagen icy chill.

He chooses July - so he will have a good chance of not
getting snowed on.

He chooses Mexico - more good chance of not snowing.

And chooses Mexico city - one of the most polluted
cities in the world with smog, etc...

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Anyhow sure thing, that the developing Countrys sign up, they waiting for Money,
and that someone does solve her Problems.

But i bet, 100% from the Companys, what are there,
comes from the Camp from AWG or any other 'Al Gore like 'Partner' Companys',
figure, what the Peoples there really have by her own.
Its all from the developing Help, and the Companys there.
I think most of this Country even have a Dictatorship,
like the Sister from Obama has one.

All that Money, what they collect around the World,
will probatly only walk into the Bag from a smaller Circle,
and for us its only printing and trow more Money into Economy and steer a Gear faster into the Crisis,
because most of EU Staates are all way over her Limit, and nothing in sight,
that they ever can pay back all the Interest, what Banks produces with
theyr Capital and the Credits, what they can lend 10 Times of the Time,
what you get Interest for it.
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Anyhow, this AlGore Thing reminds me very hard at the Scientologist Ron Hubbard.
Maybe he found a good Face lifter.
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