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Old 12-02-2009, 11:32 PM
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U.S. Senate Minority Report Update: More Than 700 (Previously 650) International Scie

There is a LOT of references on this page:

.: U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works :: Minority Page :.

U. S. Senate Minority Report:
More Than 700 (Previously 650) International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims
Scientists Continue to Debunk “Consensus” in 2008
Update: March 16, 2009: Prominent Scientsits Continue to Join Report:
Now More Than 700 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims
Link to Intro and full updated 2009 report:

Link to Full Printable 255-Page PDF Report

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Read these quotes by real scientists

Highlights of the Updated 2008 Senate Minority Report featuring over 650 international scientists dissenting from man-made climate fears:

“I am a skeptic…Global warming has become a new religion.” - Nobel Prize Winner for Physics, Ivar Giaever.

“Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly….As a scientist I remain skeptical...The main basis of the claim that man’s release of greenhouse gases is the cause of the warming is based almost entirely upon climate models. We all know the frailty of models concerning the air-surface system.” - Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology, and formerly of NASA, who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called “among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years.”

Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history…When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” - UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist.

“The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn’t listen to others. It doesn’t have open minds… I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists.” - Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the UN-supported International Year of the Planet.

“So far, real measurements give no ground for concern about a catastrophic future warming.” - Scientist Dr. Jarl R. Ahlbeck, a chemical engineer at Abo Akademi University in Finland, author of 200 scientific publications and former Greenpeace member.

“Anyone who claims that the debate is over and the conclusions are firm has a fundamentally unscientific approach to one of the most momentous issues of our time.” - Solar physicist Dr. Pal Brekke, senior advisor to the Norwegian Space Centre in Oslo. Brekke has published more than 40 peer-reviewed scientific articles on the sun and solar interaction with the Earth.

“The models and forecasts of the UN IPCC "are incorrect because they only are based on mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include, for example, solar activity.” - Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, a researcher at the Institute of Geophysics of the National Autonomous University of Mexico

“It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don’t buy into anthropogenic global warming.” - U.S Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA.

“Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapour and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will.” – . Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, NZ.

After reading [UN IPCC chairman] Pachauri's asinine comment [comparing skeptics to] Flat Earthers, it's hard to remain quiet.” - Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs, who specializes in the statistics of forecast evaluation, serves on the American Meteorological Society's Probability and Statistics Committee and is an Associate Editor of Monthly Weather Review.

“The Kyoto theorists have put the cart before the horse. It is global warming that triggers higher levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, not the other way round…A large number of critical documents submitted at the 1995 U.N. conference in Madrid vanished without a trace. As a result, the discussion was one-sided and heavily biased, and the U.N. declared global warming to be a scientific fact,” Andrei Kapitsa, a Russian geographer and Antarctic ice core researcher.

“I am convinced that the current alarm over carbon dioxide is mistaken...Fears about man-made global warming are unwarranted and are not based on good science.” - Award Winning Physicist Dr. Will Happer, Professor at the Department of Physics at Princeton Universityand Former Director of Energy Research at the Department of Energy, who has published over 200 scientific papers, and is a fellow of the American Physical Society, The American Association for the Advancement of Science, and the National Academy of Sciences.

“Nature's regulatory instrument is water vapor: more carbon dioxide leads to less moisture in the air, keeping the overall GHG content in accord with the necessary balance conditions.” – Prominent Hungarian Physicist and environmental researcher Dr. Miklós Zágoni reversed his view of man-made warming and is now a skeptic. Zágoni was once Hungary’s most outspoken supporter of the Kyoto Protocol.

“For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?" - Geologist Dr. David Gee the chairman of the science committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress who has authored 130 plus peer reviewed papers, and is currently at Uppsala University in Sweden.

“Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic camp…Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact.” - Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch UN IPCC committee.

“The quantity of CO2 we produce is insignificant in terms of the natural circulation between air, water and soil... I am doing a detailed assessment of the UN IPCC reports and the Summaries for Policy Makers, identifying the way in which the Summaries have distorted the science.” - South Afican Nuclear Physicist and Chemical Engineer Dr. Philip Lloyd, a UN IPCC co-coordinating lead author who has authored over 150 refereed publications.

“Many [scientists] are now searching for a way to back out quietly (from promoting warming fears), without having their professional careers ruined.” - Atmospheric physicist James A. Peden, formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh.

“All those urging action to curb global warming need to take off the blinkers and give some thought to what we should do if we are facing global cooling instead.” - Geophysicist Dr. Phil Chapman, an astronautical engineer and former NASA astronaut, served as staff physicist at MIT (Massachusetts Institute of Technology)

“Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense…The present alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning.” - Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles.

“CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another….Every scientist knows this, but it doesn’t pay to say so…Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot.” - Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan.

“The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is something that generates funds.- Award-winning Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata.

“Whatever the weather, it's not being caused by global warming. If anything, the climate may be starting into a cooling period.” Atmospheric scientist Dr. Art V. Douglas, former Chair of the Atmospheric Sciences Department at Creighton University in Omaha, Nebraska, and is the author of numerous papers for peer-reviewed publications.

“But there is no falsifiable scientific basis whatever to assert this warming is caused by human-produced greenhouse gasses because current physical theory is too grossly inadequate to establish any cause at all.” - Chemist Dr. Patrick Frank, who has authored more than 50 peer-reviewed articles.

“The ‘global warming scare’ is being used as a political tool to increase government control over American lives, incomes and decision making. It has no place in the Society's activities.” - Award-Winning NASA Astronaut/Geologist and Moonwalker Jack Schmitt who flew on the Apollo 17 mission and formerly of the Norwegian Geological Survey and for the U.S. Geological Survey.

“Earth has cooled since 1998 in defiance of the predictions by the UN-IPCC….The global temperature for 2007 was the coldest in a decade and the coldest of the millennium…which is why ‘global warming’ is now called ‘climate change.’” - Climatologist Dr. Richard Keen of the Department of Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences at the University of Colorado.

“I have yet to see credible proof of carbon dioxide driving climate change, yet alone man-made CO2 driving it. The atmospheric hot-spot is missing and the ice core data refute this. When will we collectively awake from this deceptive delusion?” - Dr. G LeBlanc Smith, a retired Principal Research Scientist with Australia’s CSIRO. (The full quotes of the scientists are later in this report)

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The Latest Impact...

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Awesome posts!

Everybody,

Here is the latest article from BBC (12-03-09) where the Climate Negotiator from Saudi Arabia says the leaked emails will have a "huge impact" on the climate summit in Copenhagen!

BBC News - Climate e-mail hack 'will impact on Copenhagen summit'

Also, here is another article about an investigation looking into the "leaked" documents:

BBC News - Chair for climate e-mail review

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Some more good news!

Global Warming Science and Public Policy - Two for IBD

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CAP-AND-TRADE LOSS A STUNNER IN AUSSIE VOTE
by Tim Andrews | December 2, 2009

Cap-and-trade in Australia — which just a week ago was declared a certainty — is officially dead.

This is the first major climate change turnaround anywhere in the Western world, with significant implications for our domestic debate.

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THE DOMINOES FALL
by Investor's Business Daily | December 2, 2009

Warming Scandal: The architect of climate fraud steps down, the creator of the infamous"hockey stick" is investigated, and Australia's parliament defeats cap-and-trade.

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YouTube - Lord Monckton 2 of 5 Global Warming Climategate Fraud, Criminal Investigations

A fragment of the A Jones show, an hour interview with Lord Moncton.

Listen what he tells about the world government!
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With this many reference, this topic deserve to be made as a book .
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Old 12-04-2009, 04:36 PM
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IPCC calls for Probe of Climategate

Hi folks,

Here is the latest news coverage from the BBC (12-04-09).

BBC News - UN body wants probe of climate e-mail row

No longer able to simply ignore the issue, the "spin doctors" will attempt major damage control. This story won't go away, and BBC has carried news on this fast, developing situation every day this week.

Here is a survey and comments from people around the world, on the question of whether Climategate will effect the Copenhagen Summit:

BBC NEWS | Have Your Say | Will the climate change e-mail claims affect Copenhagen?

And finally, this article on a Study of CO2 and the Oceans:

BBC News - Study shows variability in ocean's CO2 uptake

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So, Mr. Obama cant read, or dont read News?
He still travles to Denmark and support the Climate Lie
to grab a Price, what is actually useless, and only for, to impress some Peoples.
Mr. Obama Goes to Copenhagen : Discovery News

But owell, our Politicans are not much better.
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Why so uncertain ?

Heya guys !

I was wondering why Obama was being so cagi. Hedging around the idea that he will or will not attend the Copenhagen conference. Arn't these types of things considered and prepaired for months in advance ? Hmm, maybe I answered my own question. THe rooms and cars and things required to keep the president of the U.S , even if not used , are ordered and Kept in reserve for him and his staff, for the whole conference. ( thats my best guess ).
However, why play this political game of will he or won't he? I'm wondering if he is better informed then we suspect, his advisers have been not telling him about the information rampant on the web. Is he considering going to the conference to keep the super lefties off his back ? Is he considering not signing the agreement, because he does not believe he's been told the whole trueth from the IPPC ? Or is he keeping us all waiting, so as he can do as he has planned all along, but does not want a united opposition , to get in his way ?

Just my 2 cents. Sorry if I've strayed the topic too far over to the political side. But this dancing around the issue of attendence or not, signing or not, says to me something troubling is being hidden from us.

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Old 12-06-2009, 07:52 AM
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But... After all the debate... There's still this.

YouTube - James Balog: Time-lapse proof of extreme ice loss
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"90% of the glaciers OUTSIDE Antarctica are retreating".
How much of the world's snow/ice base resides on Antarctica?

Anyway, it was on TED, so I'll accept that as proof.

The correlation with CO2, I will take as a lie. Until climate gate has be worked out by non-peer reviewed, non-government funded scientists.

The world has, in the billions of years before us, done dozens of warm-cold periods. Greenland used to be green, inhabited by exploring Vikings. It will be green AGAIN. Perhaps to the point of being a nice place to live, during our lives.

So climate change I totally believe, and applaud. Humans should not think they are of too much of an influence on it. Especially not through CO2.
My kindergarten logic does tell me that when you burn something, anything, exothermically, the environment will be heated. This will go for HHO cars just as well as fossil fueled ones. Heating is not the end though, the exhaust fumes have a much longer life than that. The fossils also have to be produced first.
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It still interesting to see the Progress of Glacers from the last 150 Years.
Retreat of glaciers since 1850 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
because they still did go back, even without CO2 Emissions, Tax and whatever.
The Datas back to 200 000 years, i dont know, can you be sure of that,
or are they only taken from anywhere.
You see on this Picuture on Wiki a big melt on the Alps,
but after the Theorie from the Ozon hole, most heat is at the Poles,
but it is not only there.
I dont know TED, but i know, that BMW is one from the worse Companys here,
and surly not the first one, when it is about, to make Cars with Zero Emission,
like Watercell combined Cars.
And not sure about, what they bring in into the Atmosphere with the Chemtrails,
and they fly, around the World, mostly US Airplanes, non-regular Flights.
Wonder, if They dont cause a REAL Global Warming, only, to be right.
I can figure more at all, that a Pole shift turn the Bowl, and make New Zealand to the next Greenland.
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Old 12-06-2009, 07:32 PM
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Great Film, Wrong Conclusions

Jibbguy,

Thanks for the link to this great time-lapse study of retreating glaciers. There is NO DOUBT that the glaciers photographed in this film are retreating. The problem is, that this is a "cherry picked" sample and does not represent what is happening to "all other glaciers", even in the areas where these films were made.

A simple Google Search on the term "glaciers advancing" yields massive data on which glaciers are actually GROWING at this time. Here's a link that has dozens of other links to this kind of information:

Growing Glaciers

And here is another page, from the same site, listing specific glaciers that are growing, with links to further documentation.

List of expanding glaciers

And AGAIN, no one is questioning IF the climate is changing, the question is WHY? When ALL OF THE DATA is considered, CO2 does not appear to be a significant contributor to climate change.

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Rasmussen Report poll:
Americans Skeptical of Science Behind Global Warming - Rasmussen Reports™

Two Academy Members demand Gore return award:
Take back Al Gore's Oscar, 2 Academy members demand in light of Climategate | Top of the Ticket | Los Angeles Times

Two academy members discussion:
PJTV - Poliwood - Climategate Hits Hollywood: Should the Academy Rescind Gore's Oscar?

You too can tell the Academy what you think:
General Questions & Comments | Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences

This is horrible, the programmer for CRU was so incompetent that he
left notes about how he doesn't know what he is doing...through out the
programs...plus including fudge factors to SKIP OVER DATA, etc... lol
BBC Exposes 'Fudge Factor' in ClimateGate Global Warming Computer Programming Code | NewsBusters.org
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Report from Iron Mountain - Substitutes for the Function of War

Interesting little video;
YouTube - Global Warming Hoax, Planned in 1961
"Substitutes for the Function of War"
From:REPORT FROM IRON MOUNTAIN: On the Possibility and Desirability of Peace

About creating the climate crisis concept back
in the 1960's for the purpose of the UN controlling
all land, etc...

Originally, it was supposed to be a leaked report then
there was spin that it was nothing but a satire. Make
up your own mind if this book was a real leaked report
or not.

If a hoax, the author had profound prophetic vision
because it is spelling out EXACTLY what the UN has
been moving toward for years.
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YouTube - The Huge Mistake - Climate Change Solutions 2009

35 Inconvenient Truths part 1 (10 minutes)
YouTube - 35 Inconvenient Truths part 1

35 Inconvenient Truths part 2 (9 minutes)
YouTube - 35 Inconvenient Truths part 2
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Those glaciers were not cherry picked for their retreat; they were done so for aesthetic reasons, accessibility, and visual impact. PLEASE show us ONE glacier, possibly outside of the Himalayas which yet needs to be proved lol), that is not retreating. Just ONE out of thousands?

The glaciers are retreating, and thousands of square miles of permafrost tundra are thawing in North America, South America, and Siberia (usually considered part of "Asia"). To deny this is just silly. It is EMPIRICAL evidence that has nothing to do with "spin". THAT IS WHY i so love pointing it out lol.. As those who would deny EVERYTHING regarding climate change try to make us forget these facts.

The world is not "black and white" folks. It comes in 256 shades of gray. Factions on BOTH sides of this debate are deliberately pushing disnfo and politicizing this; trying their damnest to make it just another dividing & polarizing issue.... Because as long as we are divided among ourselves, they have nothing to fear.

This is all a PLANNED way to keep us continually arguing about the science, so NOTHING at all of importance is done (...perhaps with the exception of the use of chemtrails to increase albedo). This way, we can go on using oil and coal for another hundred years, lol.

Here is something for those who were caught up in the recent email scandal:

YouTube - 6. Climate Change -- Those hacked e-mails
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global warming, co2 and a challenge

I'm all for reducing global pollution as fast as humanly possible. And possibly offering tax advantages for voluntarily reducing emissions regardless of how illegal the irs is - we have to work with the criminal system for now.

Even if I believed co2 caused a global warming, there is still no way in the world I would ever support communist control of the united states, which is exactly what would happen if we subordinate the u s sovereignty to un dictators, which is EXACTLY what they are. the un would regulate all our industry, I would have to have approval from an unconstitutional energy czar (they're all illegal and circumvent congress) in order to sell my home???? (may happen without copenhagen), etc... Anyone that does believe in global warming should promote reduction in pollution without selling their souls to the devil in the name of "solving" the problem.

CO2 is a very, very, very small contributor to any of the warming that does happen. There is a warming trend before every cooling trend. And the weakening of earth's magnetic field, which is happening allows more radiation into our atmosphere that helps to cause these heating trends before the poles reverse. Deforestation and soil lacking the minerals causes less luscious plant life to absorb some of the co2 that causes small amount of warming.

Yes, some warming at different periods. The scientific facts do show a correlation of temperature to co2 levels. The key word is correlation and NOT causation. The correlation is that 800-2000 years AFTER there is warming, there is a correlated amount of co2 increase. I would guess there is a little more biomass breaking down when it is warmer and that increases the co2 in the atmosphere...that is from trees, etc... on the forest floor, etc.. breaking down releasing co2....but again, all these increases in co2 happen HUNDREDS of years to 2 THOUSAND years AFTER there was warming. INCREASED CO2 HAS NEVER PRECEDED ANY STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT WARMING PERIOD.

There is also a difference between a claimed man-made warming that is melting some ice and the fact that from one ice age to another, the ice will simply thaw ANYWAY, which is what ice does when it goes from a dominating cold condition to a warmer condition - thawing to a certain point before moving back to an ice age.

Here is a challenge that I'm personally giving to EVERY global warming advocate on the planet...

I can decrease emissions on coal plants by up to 20%, increasing their power output by up to 20% for the same coal burned. It is guaranteed and I can prove it and it doesn't need research and development. I already have it. It requires a very small insignificant modification to where the coal enters the burner. I can do this right here right NOW. The break even point for a ROI for the companies would be THE INSTANT IT IS USED. No expensive retrofit equipment like many companies are wasting their time and money on.

I would bet 99 against 1 that no global warming believer would take me up on my offer and make a meeting happen with a coal plant to test it. I hope I lose this bet. It is ALREADY proven in California and I believe maybe Arizona. Also, it works with larger pieces of coal without having it broken down to smaller pieces further saving time/money/effort. But if anyone is convinced they are a person of action and want to reduce emissions on a large scale, PM me and I'll send you a contract. I'll be waiting
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Aaron should be in politics

Aaron can i put that or at least the themes on the global warming propaganda page please?, that's brilliant and too the point.

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Hi Ash, go for it.

Here is a good interview with Lord Monkton
speaking with what I see as objective clarity.
YouTube - Lord Monckton: Global Warming big scientific fad

For a more "light hearted" funny video on this
whole issue, but still with a strong message...
check this out... lol
YouTube - COPENHAGEN Climate - Lord Monckton rap battles Al Gore - Rap News
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What really bother me is, sure, the Ice maybe goes back, but it does since couple hundred Years, not only the last 5 Years, why dont they consider this.

Another 2 Opinions, when a Motor runs hot, it gives his Heat away to the Enviroment.
Like the Earth will do to the Space.
The average Temperature from the last 1000 Years did increase for about 0,8C.

And, instead of putting Filters for the Chimneys from the Industrie, and anywhere else,
where Emissions appear, they set up a Tax for the Emissions, wich anywhere grabs.
Do anyone think, that is Soo hard to set up, for every Company, to make Filters for her Emissions.
Most Houses here need to do something like this, and there is no Way,
to deny, that this is not possible,
or is it to hard, because the Companys have to much Money to do so?

But they DONT stop to chop the Woods, They DONT seed new Woods, instead chop the very old one,
They DONT do really something for, that Companys clean her Emissions,
even when the Amount from Cars for CO2 is less then 15%,
all they do is pointing with Fingers and say, PAY.

Is there really a Logic behind, how this Bunch of weird 'IT-Language-speaking-Scientists' behave,
and the Intentions to reduce Emssions are converted from the Politicians,
or the 'representative from the Peoples'?
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I know, I know, don't mention the H word. Yet, it's funny and it does make you wonder how far this actually is from the truth:

List en Bedrog: Hitler was behind Global Warming - Climategate
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Lol. Its a Skit, its not the same at the subtitles, what they say,
but it match pretty well to today.

Btw Money dont reduce Co2.
and something else, is there really CO2?
Its actually, when the Gas leave the Exhaust, it falls apart to C an O,
thats why they cant proof it beside Streets.

Another Note on a Page.
It is clear, when you plant Trees at the Sahara, it will getting colder,
but when you chop the Rainforest, it will go hotter.
Someone can figure, where the Heating now comes from?
More like a Bad Excuse, and chop further the Woods.

Another Story from 1995, a lot Trees by us did go sick, and they blamed Globals Warming and CO2 for it.
But at last, someone figured out, that it appears, when a Cell Phone Sender is close, Trees will start to die with this Emissions.
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Exclamation Copenhagen climate summit in disarray after 'Danish text' leak



The UN Copenhagen climate talks are in disarray today after developing countries reacted furiously to leaked documents that show world leaders will next week be asked to sign an agreement that hands more power to rich countries and sidelines the UN's role in all future climate change negotiations.


The document is also being interpreted by developing countries as setting unequal limits on per capita carbon emissions for developed and developing countries in 2050; meaning that people in rich countries would be permitted to emit nearly twice as much under the proposals.


The so-called Danish text, a secret draft agreement worked on by a group of individuals known as "the circle of commitment" – but understood to include the UK, US and Denmark – has only been shown to a handful of countries since it was finalised this week.


The agreement, leaked to the Guardian, is a departure from the Kyoto protocol's principle that rich nations, which have emitted the bulk of the CO2, should take on firm and binding commitments to reduce greenhouse gases, while poorer nations were not compelled to act. The draft hands effective control of climate change finance to the World Bank; would abandon the Kyoto protocol – the only legally binding treaty that the world has on emissions reductions; and would make any money to help poor countries adapt to climate change dependent on them taking a range of actions.


The document was described last night by one senior diplomat as "a very dangerous document for developing countries. It is a fundamental reworking of the UN balance of obligations. It is to be superimposed without discussion on the talks".

WHOLE STORY HERE:
Copenhagen climate summit in disarray after 'Danish text' leak | Environment | guardian.co.uk

THE DRAFT THAT WAS LEAKED in PDF form from SCRIBD:
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misc global warming

Listen to this geologist:
YouTube - Opposition to man-made climate change: We want proof!
Interesting - never heard about a 1700 something model about
melting glaciers that was disproved, which the fear mongers
are still using.

By the way, the NASA, NOAA and possibly other data bases
on climate info are 100% wrong...the reason is that they were
actually calibrated to the CRU data. Therefore, there is
NO database with untainted data
regarding the climate from
all these government and ngo's.

Anyway, Russia seems to be holding the ace of spades in this
soap opera - a very interesting position:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/08/bu.../08carbon.html

This comment was online by someone with common sense:

"Michael from Alexandria, Virginia writes:
Like you said, Jack, a binding treaty is never gonna happen. I doubt that we will get honest science on this (which would discount warming). I would much rather we give up on warming and instead target actual pollution of air and water in the developing world. Of course, the Chinese would block this too -as would the U.S., who benefits from both Chinese and Mexican pollution run amok."

Focus on the actual pollution - lol, common sense. I fail to see why
the concept that it is actually PROFITABLE to reduce emissions by various
ways doesn't catch on. Coal plants, etc... can reduce emissions while
increasing their output. The propaganda by the mainstream media and
our corrupt politicians doesn't want this concept to be focused on because
it would bring out technologies that in the long term actually do lead to
energy independence. Industry, etc... has been brainwashed to believe
that any solution will decrease production, increase costs, etc... what
a bunch of misinformation.
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4 must watch vids

VIDEOS: THE EXPERTS EXPLAIN THE GLOBAL WARMING MYTH | KUSI - News, Weather and Sports - San Diego, CA | Coleman's Corner

VIDEOS: THE EXPERTS EXPLAIN THE GLOBAL WARMING MYTH


New! Scientists who know that there is no significant man-made global warming have recorded videos to be displayed for the delegates to the International Climate Conference in Copenhagen. Four of those videos were shot and edited by the team i worked with. Here they are for you to see:


Video: John Coleman
John coleman is the founder of the Weather Channel, the original weatherman on Good Morning America and now the lead meteorologist here at KUSI-TV.


Video: Joseph D'Aleo
Joseph D'Aleo is a certified consulting meteorologist, a fellow of the American Meteorological Society, first director of meteorology at the Weather Channel and now founder and president of Icecap.us

Video: Richard Lindzen
Richard Lindzen, PhD, is an atmospheric physicist and the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology at Massachusetts Institue of Technology


Video: Willie Soon
Willie Soon, PhD, is an astrophysicist at the Harvard Smithsonian Center for Astrophyics
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Lets HOPE the lying CULT dosent have to much momentum...
I fear it does and like a religion. Its about to be pushed on us all.

Some of them BELIEVE co2 and carbon dioxide, differ!

The big PARTY going on now IS; HA HA we tricked you into letting US tax the very air you breath. = TAX.

Next is codex
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This is all great!
The lying evil is being exposed. There are cracks in their secrecy armour. They are now, as we say, to go with naked bottoms.

I love how prominent and well-spoken folks like Coleman are now stepping forward. And he sure is a guy who COULD have chosen to support the dark side.
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Hi Aaron;

Great job you're doing and have done on this!

I saw a program on pbs last week concerning this meeting. It featured one of the cabinet members from Bangladesh. As one of the developing countries who would receive lot's of money from the "big polluters" (which he defined as China, India, and the U.S.) for polluting his air and causing so much damage to his country, he was practically giddy with anticipation.

As he will now, hopefully, not be receiving said monies it is no wonder he, and others like him, are furious.

As usual, it's all about the money, not the environment. Sad.

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