Lord Mockton for president! He's been presenting these frauds all along.

I hope my country doesn't sign this treaty. The way I understand it, no representative of ours could do so on our behalf without a referendum. Europe was a painful delivery, World should be even harder.

What i still wonder about is, the Seasons been actually somehow normal around 1970-1980.
At this time they did start to do all this Atomtests, starting at 1980-85, where the did blow up a lot of Atolls and other Things.
After that, it did seem, as if the whole Climate did change to a 3 Months delay, everything did come later, like Snow or Summer,
Around 1998 it did slightly change back, but its still some different,
and i did ask myself often, if they didnt change the Earthaxis with this Erruptions,
and now cover up this mess under the Coat of Climate change from CO2.


-Edit-
Haarp is able to change the Weather enough, that they can stay with her Big Lie
and set up the CO2 Tax Machine and spray theyr Poison over the Peoples with Chemtrails?
YouTube - A HAARP Investigation Pt. 1 of 2
YouTube - A HAARP Investigation Pt. 2 of 2

Two articles with doubts about the Copenhagen Treaty and is Obama actually saying "no deal"?

Low Expectations for Climate Summit: Can Copenhagen Still Be Saved? - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

Troubled Climate Talks: Merkel to Attend Copenhagen Despite Deal Doubts - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

Perhaps he's going to get a discount and look like A Real American Hero. Gone are the days that almighty USA has to pay for the mess others make, let alone be critized for it's wealth.

The recent 2012 movie and the fear of global warming has made many Indonesian TV "entertaining" people with the posibility of global warming make Indonesia sink. It has been a week already. People here like this kind of news lol.

Related story:
Rising Sea Levels Could Sink Indonesia - The country's low-lying areas are in danger of being flooded - Softpedia

Some pshycic also predicted this, even Joyoboyo (a king at around 16th centuries) which mention java will be surounded by metal. If that do happen I don't think it happen because the current global warming issue. Maybe something more like a couple of hydrogen bomb accident at north or south pole. Global warming maybe just an excuse.

It seems the hacker files on this "climategate" deal are authentic.

The emails are NOT being denied as being fake. One or more of the authors
of the emails are saying what has been posted is "taken out of context."

So, they're real it appears, which is implied by the fact they the are said
to be taken out of context instead of being fake.

The hacker(s) that originally posted the files said it was a "random
sampling"...that means...if true...that there could be a whole lot
more information they will post later.

Someone postet a Vid today,
where Dr. Tim Ball says, that they did even change the History from the Vikings,
that the Results match to her Storys.
YouTube - Climategate: Dr. Tim Ball on the hacked CRU emails

Great interview Joit!

Here are other things in the news listed on an article at the Christian
Science Monitor:

Also in the news:



– “Congressional Republicans have started investigating climate scientists whose hacked emails suggest they tried to squelch dissenting views about global warming,” reports The Wall Street Journal.


– Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.) announced that he would probe whether the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) “cooked the science to make this thing look as if the science was settled, when all the time of course we knew it was not.”


– In Britain, former chancellor Lord Lawson, a global warming skeptic, called for an inquiry into data “manipulation” about global warming, as a result of the e-mails.


– Climate scientist geochemist Thomas Crowley, a professor of geosciences and director of the Scottish Alliance for Geosciences and the Environment at the University of Edinburgh in Scotland, criticizes skeptics and the press in an e-mail interview with The Washington Post’s Andrew Freedman.


– Professor Phil Jones Director of the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia in Norwich, England, says that charges of conspiracy over climate change are “rubbish,” reports the Guardian.


– Security experts say the hack could lead to future attacks, reports ChannelWeb, which adds that there could be “… more malicious attacks down the road, as hackers use cybercrime to further political agenda.” Also, the individuals whose e-mails were exposed now have some of their private information in the public domain and could be subject to phishing or worse.


– The University of East Anglia. which had been criticized for its tepid response to the extensive e-mail theft, announced that plans to launch a review of the incident.


– In an analysis of the impact the e-mails might have on the upcoming UN Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen and on a possible US climate bill, Reuters says they aren’t the game-changer that skeptics hope.


– But many think that the credibility of climate scientists and climate science have been damaged.

Here is the link within the University's pages to the homepage for the CRU:
Climatic Research Unit

Climatic Research Unit
School of Environmental Sciences
Faculty of Science
University of East Anglia
Norwich NR4 7TJ, UK
Tel:
+44-1603-592722
Fax:
+44-1603-507784
E-mail:
cru@uea.ac.uk

This is from a Washington Times article:
The global-cooling cover-up - Washington Times

For global-warming advocates, there is an additional problem: The aggregated data appear to have been constructed to show an increase in temperatures. CBS' Declan McCullagh finds that the computer code contains programmer-written notes addressed to themselves or future people who will be working with the program. The notes include these revealing instructions: "Apply a VERY ARTIFICIAL correction for decline!!" and "Low pass filtering at century and longer time scales never gets rid of the trend - so eventually I start to scale down the 120-yr low pass time series to mimic the effect of removing/adding longer time scales!"

So, notes to other future people working on the project to apply very
artificial correction for the decline in temperatures. LOL...and they want
to continue with the propaganda that exposed emails were "taken out of
context." Yeah right!

Just baffling. And this is data that is presented to an audience of 7 Billion.

How does one life with oneself? Misunderstand of what the powers that be will do with this? A strong conviction to refrain from having any offspring?

The shame! If I would wake up being one of those frauds, what would I do? I think I'd take my own life before the rabid crowds, or my very disappointed employers (that it got out) would get to me. But what do they do? Damage control! Would they have been promised new levels of richdom to make the best of the exposure?

Many of these are Americans, right? What federal laws would apply to such fraud? Could the people make a lawsuit against them, and anyone commissioning the data, even if the proof was obtained illegally? It was after all admitted. And tapping phones is more popular in the US than it wever was in coomy countries anyway?

Serious, how do we organize ourselves to turn the tide on this? The warmers have so much momentum (I was one until recently), that they won't be able to think clearly the first coming months.

The big picture needs to be made public. YES we need to rid of fossil fuel exhausts. OF COURSE. But we should tax it, for taxes sake, we should put serious effort in employing more renewable alternatives.

Riddle me this : even evil overlord NASA has had its rocket running on a water derivative since, well, forever. And this world's leaders are pushing new alternatives away, so they can tax the last drops of oil left on this globe? If they disallow self-made fuels, this global population needs to take to the streets. If its clean, no tax!

I think just like the anti-vaccine movement and the movement to audio the federal reserve. It has to be a massive public outcry.

Not sure about other countries, but for the US, we need to call and hound all our our state representatives so that the Copenhagen treaty is NEVER signed by our country. I feel sorry for any other country that takes it on.

There are only weeks left so flooding all our state representatives and the white house with email nonstop. I'd even hound the tv stations to give it exposure because only really FOX (right wing propaganda arm) is talking about it on television that I know of. ABC (left wing propaganda arm) I don't believe is going to give it much notice. And I don't know about the other mainstream media. The papers are talking about it but we need the television audience to be fully aware of it as well.

Aaron,
Sounds liked we're forked, huh? Do we need Charlie Sheen, again? Don't we have anyone else, but a distinquished blue blooded Englishman who was saying this all along?
We need someone, no, AN ARMY of celebrities, to make this public. Get it in the teenagere magz, get it on twitter. I did my part, for all of my 7 followers. I can do better than be arrested for protesting at the city hall by myself.

This is setup by Americans for Prosperity, which is a republican "grassroots"
movement.

Don't Use Climate Change to Hide Tax Hikes! | Americans for Prosperity

It is the only thing I could find that is an automated way to contact the
representatives by filling out a form relating to the cap and trade.
Anyone can edit the message to include spelling out saying NO to the
Copenhagen Treaty.

I watched quite a bit about them (AFP) on cspan and some of the heroes
the members look up to have a very scary and alarming mindset. They also
think Regan ecomonics was the best thing since sliced bread and was
responsible for the economic success in Clinton's years, etc... completely
and totally delusional.

However, they go have a good membership base that could put a stick
in the spokes of this copenhagen deal.

I don't know how effective this kind of stunt is:
Hot Air Tour: Exposing the Ballooning costs of Global Warming Hysteria

I think it is more effective to put energy into completely and totally
dominating the representatives with mountains of emails and letters.
Many people think these things don't work but they do. This is how
NY was forced to allow health workers to refuse the h1n1 vaccine without
getting fired. Overwhelming public outcry about the federal reserve and
pressuring the reps about auditing the fed, etc...

When GMO (genetically modified organisms) was a big issue and the
grassroots movement to get labeling requirements was going on...it was
headed up by Craig Winters. I met him a few times and he had setup this
email activism method and it got the biggest public outcry with letters
sent to the representatives - it had the highest number of protesters
in US history only second to the protests of the Vietnam war. That is
a very profound fact. Just found out he died several months back from
cancer.
The Campaign - Grassroots Political Action

Anyway, grassroots efforts absolutely DO work. The AFP seems to be a
group that is built from top down instead of bottom up like a lot of
so-called democratic or republican grassroots organizations but in any
case, I'm all for taking advantage of what they have setup to oppose the
carbon tax ripoff scheme.

No Formal Climate Deal in Copenhagen, Leaders Say - Dot Earth Blog - NYTimes.com

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Global warming: 72 percent of Americans say it’s real, poll finds | csmonitor.com

Since 2006, democrats that believe in global warming dropped 6%
independents that believe in global warming dropped 15%
republicans that believe in global warming dropped 22%
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Ack!

I have been involved in the grassroots campaign against softwarepatents in Europe. I have written an article about my first steps as an activist back then:
Dutch Parliament Considers Revoking Support for Patent Directive

It turned out to be a long struggle, but eventually we won...
No softwarepatents in Europe.

That is, officially. However, we have been saved from much worse.

One of my co-activists wrote a book about our campaign:
http://www.tuks.nl/docs/NoLobbyistsAsSuch.pdf

Had a wonderful time, and learned a lot about politics.

One of the most humorous moments was when the Council for agriculture and fishery (!) was about to rubbers-stamp the directive. One of our activists, nicknamed Miernik, simply called the Polish Minister on his cellphone.
"You have to get here, and make them drop this from the agenda". Or something like that.

Well, the minister boarded the next plane to Brussels, and had the chairman remove the rubberstamping of our directive from the agenda, so the responsible council would be forced to actually decide:

Poland halts software patent directive • The Register

Mierniks comment, when asked if he could really call his Minister?

"Sometimes, it works."

What is wrong with software patents that is not wroing with other patents?

Lamare and Bugler,

No more discussion of "software patents" here. It is totally OFF TOPIC for this thread. If you wish to discuss it, please start a different thread.

Peter

Hi Folks,

Well, here is the real story on the "political implications" of "global warming". If this bill passes the Senate, you will lose the "right" to sell your home without approval from the "Energy Czar".

Cap & Trade - A License Required For Your Home http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-2454 - VegHaven.org

Here is a link to the bill, so you can read it yourself:

H.R. 2454: American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 (GovTrack.us)

Welcome to the New World. Can you feel the heat, yet?

Peter

Obama's unconstitutional czar....

Obama’s Science Czar John Holdren involved in unwinding “Climategate” scandal
Obama’s Science Czar John Holdren involved in unwinding “Climategate”* scandal

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Another part of the scandal is some of the "scientists" are claiming a
bunch of data was dumped years ago. But in the hacker files, it seems
that it is all there including evidence of tampering in the more recent
years:
The Strata-Sphere » CRU’s Jones Supposedly Lost Data Used In 2008

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And Congress to investigate EPA cover up of the facts.
Congress to investigate suppression of global warming report by EPA

@Peter: yes and no.

I totally agree that the subject "software patents" is totally off topic here, but that was not the point.

The point is that a grass-roots campaign may be the answer to the problem, just like it was an answer to what we experienced as a problem a few years ago.

It doesn't matter at all where someone stands on the subject of the previous problem I have been engaged in, what matters is that here on this forum there is a group of people that feel there is a problem someone should do something about. And, if part of that group is willing to do that, these could learn a lot from our experiences.

So, why not consider setting up a campaign? It really is not that difficult or expensive to do in this internet area.

All you really need is a website, some mailinglists and some volunteers.

What you need most of all, are three mailinglists. One filled with press contacts, one filled with politicians email adresses, and one for internal discussion and coordination.

If you want to be mentioned in the press, the first thing to do is to get e-mail adresses of journalists, websites, newspapers, TV shows, and so on. Using a mailinglist like mailman, one has a central database of press email contacts, that can be maintained by just a few volunteers so that your press-contact-list is a) centralised b) maintained and c) continually grows.

The same thing goes for polticians. If you want their attention, you have to mail them. If you fill a mailinglist with their e-mail adresses, you can contact all of them with one single e-mail.

Once you have these kind of mailinglists, you can start writing press-releases and informational messages to politicians. The more press contacts you have in your database, the bigger the chance someone publishes your press releases, or contacts you for more information.

That way, you can slowly gain momentum. Even if only some "obscure" websites publish your messages in the beginning, momentum is gained. As long as your messages are well written, reliable and correct, sooner or later more and more people will notice them.

Another trick is to setup an online petition. That comes in handy once you want to contact parliaments somewhere.

Lamare,

Coaching for political activism is OFF TOPIC here, too. I'm happy that you know how to organize political "grass roots" movements, but PLEASE, go do it somewhere else!

The purpose of this thread is to be a PUBLIC RECORD of links to information on "global warming", "climate change", and the idea that these processes are primarily, natural cycles and not "man-made".

The recent "climategate" revelations are directly ON TOPIC here, since it supports the idea that the "man-made global warming" idea was promoted by manipulating the scientific data for political purposes. For all intents and purposes, this is the same idea proposed in the film The Great Global Warming Swindle Video, which is linked here, and at the beginning of this thread.

You can also BUY a copy of the film here: The Great Global Warming Swindle

There is also another film that discusses both the science AND the political implications called "Global Warming or Global Governance?"

You can watch that film here:

Global Warming or Global Governance

Peter

Check this videos out.
YouTube - Hackers Reveal Climate Change Fraud (1)
Damian

Hi all,

Just stumbled onto this:

http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapt15.html:

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Knut Aabakken of Norway makes the following observations on the current carbon dioxide situation:

"David Archibald (pdf document) published the graph shown here in 2006:

This graph clearly shows that even a big increase in the carbon dioxide level has almost no impact on atmospheric temperature. It has also been calculated that an increase to 620 ppm would give a temperature increase of only 0.16OC. The graph shown above, together with its calculations should have ended any further discussion about reducing CO2 emissions. However, this has most definitely not been the case.

For political and financial reasons, a decision has apparently been taken to keep up the pressure on carbon dioxide reductions, resulting in senseless investments on new technology for capture and storing carbon dioxide, “beautiful” windmills absolutely everywhere and the mandatory use of biofuel. Don’t forget about all the revenue which governments are getting from "climate taxes".

All these taxes and the massive spending of taxpayers money, really threatens the economic foundations of the whole of the western world, but worse still are the consequences of the commitment to biofuel. This mad strategy has caused a near doubling of the cost of cooking oil and essential foods such as rice, because farmland is now being used for the production of biofuel. These increases are hitting poor countries the worst as the people can no longer afford to pay the price of basic necessities.

If the intention of the IPPC and the world’s politicians is to starve people to death, then they are definitely on the right track through their continued insistence on the supposedly harmful effects of carbon dioxide. In reality, the greenhouse gas which has the most effect is actually water vapour which accounts for about 98% of all warming. I wonder how the politicians are going to prevent water vapour from getting into our atmosphere !"

--::--

This is the pdf he talked about:
http://www.davidarchibald.info/paper...0to%202030.pdf

There's more interesting info on the website of David Archibald
Welcome to David Archibald.info

For example, "failure to warm":
http://www.davidarchibald.info/paper...0To%20Warm.pdf

"Warming or Cooling":
http://www.davidarchibald.info/paper...%20Cooling.pdf

"The first thing to be aware of is that the warming effect of carbon dioxide is strongly logarithmic. Of the 3° C. that carbon dioxide contributes to the greenhouse effect, the first 20 ppm has a greater effect than the following 400 ppm. By the time we get to the current level of 384 ppm, each 100 ppm increment will produce only about 0.1° of warming. With atmospheric carbon dioxide rising at about 2 ppm per annum, temperature will rise at 0.1° every 50 years.

If that is true, you will ask, how does the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) get its icecap-melting figure of 5° for doubling of the preindustrial level to 560 ppm? An equation called the Stefan-Boltzman equation tells us that in the absence of feedbacks, doubling would produce a rise of 1°. The IPCC climate modeling assumes that the feedback from this rise will be positive; that is, that the extra heat will cause more water vapor in the atmosphere, which in turn will cause more heat to be trapped, and the system compounds away until 1° gets turned into 5°. As described, the Earth’s climate would be tremendously unstable, prone to thermal runaway at the slightest disturbance.

The real world evidence says the opposite. In late 2007, a Dr. Roy Spencer of the University of Alabama published a paper analyzing data from the Aqua satellite. Based on the response of tropical clouds, Dr. Spencer demonstrated that the feedback is negative. He calculates a 0.5° warming for a doubling of the preindustrial carbon dioxide level. Global warming is real, but it is also minuscule. Atmospheric temperature rose 0.7° in the 20th century; it has also fallen by the same amount in the last 18 months. Global warming, as caused by carbon dioxide, will be lost in the noise of the system.
If carbon dioxide didn’t cause the warming of the 20th century, what did? Well, a good place to start is the sun. In the 20th century, the sun was more active than at any time in the previous 8,000 years. But what is happening now suggests that it will soon be much quieter. Two Danish researchers, Friis-Christensen and Lassen, demonstrated in a 1991 paper that there is a correlation between the length of a solar cycle and the temperature during the following solar cycle. The longer a solar cycle, the cooler the following solar cycle, and visa versa. In 1996, Butler and Johnson demonstrated the same relationship on climate data from the Armagh observatory in Northern Ireland. I have extended that to the 400 year Central England temperature record, the De Bilt data from Holland, and a number of temperature records from the northeastern US. In the latter, the relationship is that each 1-year increase in solar cycle length will cause a 0.7° decline of atmospheric temperature during the following cycle."

Hi Peter/ALL

Just stumbled across this one, has a lot of FACTS regarding our little scam going on:

Global Warming Science and Public Policy - Home

Ash

OT -I agree, even tho the best way to police the politicians is to make them accountable to the public. EDUCATION (as this thread) as well a the grass roots stuff.

Great site Ash!

35 serious scientific errors in Gore's powerpoint mockumentary.
Global Warming Science and Public Policy - 35 Inconvenient Truths: The errors in Al Gore’s movie

Global Warming Science and Public Policy - 450 Peer Reviewed Papers Supporting Skepticism of AGW-Caused Global Warming
Direct link to pdf with all these references, which by their very existence
proves there is no such thing as a scientific consensus on global warming
regardless of what Gore's misleading and fake propaganda have to say
about it.

This document is a must have!
Global Warming Science and Public Policy - Climategate: Caught Green-Handed!
Direct link to pdf:
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/im...%20Scandal.pdf

This is going in the right direction:

Head of Climate Unit Steps Down Pending Inquiry - BlackListed News :

" Prof. Phil Jones has today announced that he will stand aside as director of the Climatic Research Unit until the completion of an independent review resulting from allegations following the hacking and publication of e-mails from the unit.

Professor Jones said: “What is most important is that CRU continues its world leading research with as little interruption and diversion as possible. After a good deal of consideration I have decided that the best way to achieve this is by stepping aside from the director’s role during the course of the independent review and am grateful to the university for agreeing to this. The review process will have my full support.”

Vice Chancellor Prof. Edward Acton said: “I have accepted Professor Jones’s offer to stand aside during this period. It is an important step to ensure that CRU can continue to operate normally and the independent review can conduct its work into the allegations. We will announce details of the independent review, including its terms of reference, timescale and the chair, within days. I am delighted that Prof. Peter Liss, F.R.S., C.B.E., will become acting director.”"


Also see:

Inquiries Begin on Climate Files; Head of British Climate Unit Steps Aside - Dot Earth Blog - NYTimes.com

Right from the horeses mouth:
CRU Update 1 December - University of East Anglia (UEA)

"Professor Phil Jones has today announced that he will stand aside as Director of the Climatic Research Unit until the completion of an independent Review resulting from allegations following the hacking and publication of emails from the Unit."

Hi Lamare i would be suprised if anything came of it. For most people stepping down means that you realize youve done something wrong and you want to save face for who you work for. He however gets a nice golden parachute and does very well what was asked of him. Anothing person of similar breeding will fit into the job easily. Most normal people tend to have a week long memory span so after a week they will forget. Also the jo blog is bombarded with crap called news all the time. He/she has become decesitized to it such that if anything important does come along it will just wash straight over.
Damia

Hi Lamare, have you noticed no one resigns anymore, they take gardening leave!
Don't suppose there will be any prosecutions for Fraud?

Regards, Bren.

Hi Guys,

Here is an article from the BBC reporting on developments in Australia.

BBC News - Australian Senate rejects Kevin Rudd's climate plan

Perhaps the Global Warming bulldozer is losing momentum.

Peter

Peter,

Seems the scam has been losing some serious steam
even before the hacker files were released.

Check out the Harris Interactive poll.

Harris Interactive: Your full service research partner for ensuring improved business performance. With global capabilities including Internet-based market research enabled by our panel, Harris Poll Online.

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/har...2009_12_02.pdf

Global warming believers dropped from 71% two years ago to 51% now.

This is the LOWEST it has been since they started doing this poll
12 years ago.

The poll was done between Nov 2 and Nov 11...9 days before the hacker
files were released. I wonder what it would be now? Probably much higher
in the disbeliever group.