Stanley Meyer Explained

h20power · #**211** (**permalink**) 04-04-2009, 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jbignes5

@H2OPower,

I do believe you have really brought out the truth of what Meyers was trying to do. It was there all the time in plain sight. Meyers was a brilliant ecentric man. The thing that gets me is that everyone thought the secret was the water cell and to tell you the truth I knew all along after reading his patents that this was only used for a proof of concept application. When you have a brilliant idea you don't want to let the cat out of the bag until you can patent all the little steps to get there in your main patent. Meyers knew there would be people out there that were trying to stop his endevours. Thats why he was forced to patent in other countries before he could make such an attempt here because of the fact that if you merely mention more out then input you get the roll the eyes look then circular file with the patent app.
People don't understand but Mr. Meyers did the water cell to prove that he could fracture water with as little amps as possible to force the non believers into seeing that it could be done. Thats all the water cell was for. Then when people finally were giving in to the idea he slaps them with his full patent based on the findings of his water cell made into a smaller package, the Water Sparkplug. Higher voltage 2-15kv nothing in the way of amps and pure power out the end for very little fuel (water). Too bad that he died before seeing that some people actually understood him and his idea.
Cheers to you! Now we just need to make it and enjoy his gift of unlimited power. I wonder what kind of power you could get out of gasoline using the gas processor just as a jumping block to pure hydrogen system. And how little of gasoline we would use then with ionized oxygen to suppliment the gas!

Jbignes5

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Your comments make it all worth while for finnally someone understands the true purpose of my posting this thread. In one of Stanley Meyer's patents at the end he says the Gas Processor can be used on any type of fuel. But the one thing that using water does is any other type of fuel once used is gone for good, not true with water for it can be put back into the fuel tank. Remember rain is free so everyone enjoy breaking the chains of the energy enslavement game we have been forced to play, and pass on what you have learned to your fellow man.

Best wishes to all,

h2opower.

Digits · #**212** (**permalink**) 04-06-2009, 10:44 AM

Hey H2O

Yes this is the gas gun I am bussy with the last stage of the process I'll post it soon. I am using Solidworks 2009 to draft with.

Then I will start adding detail to the drawing,like O rings and slots and grooves and will start assigning materials to all parts.
I do have a few questions though.I will have to insulate the tube cause there will be allot of volts there will a PVC housing work?
Can I use Perspex tubes instead of SS tubes, I have a HV supply about 3000 volts and I can charge a piece of paper through a Perspex rod. Then I dont have to cut slots insto the tubes (Like in the SS tubes case) and then have a hard time sealing the slot so gas wont escape through the window.
And one more Question I was drawing this nice project and it struck me what form should the gas be that enters the tube at the bottom? can it be just water mist,though then chances are that ambient air might have to be used to creat the mist(like a spraygun) or should it be HHO gas prduced the conventional way.I do not prever the latter one though.

As I find time I do my drawings and detail will follow soon then the hard part of constructing is next, So wish me luck and hope you guys are comming right.
I have a feeling that soon we be successful,and then we wil be posting of howmuch power our reactors are preducing instead of how to figure out Stans patents.

Digits

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h20power · #**213** (**permalink**) 04-06-2009, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Digits

Hey H2O

Yes this is the gas gun I am bussy with the last stage of the process I'll post it soon. I am using Solidworks 2009 to draft with.

Then I will start adding detail to the drawing,like O rings and slots and grooves and will start assigning materials to all parts.
I do have a few questions though.I will have to insulate the tube cause there will be allot of volts there will a PVC housing work?
Can I use Perspex tubes instead of SS tubes, I have a HV supply about 3000 volts and I can charge a piece of paper through a Perspex rod. Then I dont have to cut slots insto the tubes (Like in the SS tubes case) and then have a hard time sealing the slot so gas wont escape through the window.
And one more Question I was drawing this nice project and it struck me what form should the gas be that enters the tube at the bottom? can it be just water mist,though then chances are that ambient air might have to be used to creat the mist(like a spraygun) or should it be HHO gas prduced the conventional way.I do not prever the latter one though.

As I find time I do my drawings and detail will follow soon then the hard part of constructing is next, So wish me luck and hope you guys are comming right.
I have a feeling that soon we be successful,and then we wil be posting of howmuch power our reactors are preducing instead of how to figure out Stans patents.

Digits

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I'm not sure if PVC will do the trick, I just used the 30k volt per cm rule when spacing mine. Glass is also a dielectric and can be used, but it makes it very fragile one drop and all is lost. Due to the reflective surfaces water mist is not a good idea, either dry hho or just plain air is what is needed to be stripped of electrons. I am just treating the incoming air, and went with a improvised injector design. If you have access to a oxyaceltin tourch you can put the Gas Processor inline with the oxygen side and the hho in the burnable gass side for testing that way you stay safe and no blow backs to the Gas Processor blowing up a lot of hard work. And I see no reason why you can't switch metals for it is only a prototype, I am using aluminium and 304 SS for my electrodes.

The Gas Gun is a little different in that it is like hooking up an hho making device to the Gas Processor, and burning it, but unlike hho device everyone uses Stanley Meyer's didn't boil the water or even heat it up using the WFC to split the water. Me, I opt for creating micro-mini capacitors using water dielectric properties for spliting the water into hydrogen and oxygen. That is unlike the WFC's method of spliting the water molecule.

I like that drafting program makes some very nice pic's, I'm using AutoCAD and that takes sometime to draw things out, plus I had to go to college to learn how to use it. On the Gas Processor make sure you make the electronics right or it will not work correctly. The pulsing of the Gas Processor is 180 degrees off of the pulsing of the LEDs and the EEC so the atoms do get a break. For that is the main reason no one has gotten Stanley Meyer's WFC to work for they didn't make the right type of electronics to run it, again it is not like the Gas Processor the as the WFC shares the positive electrode with the EEC and the Gas Processor does not. And the transformer is different depending on spacing of the WFC's tubes if the tubes are between 0.06-0.01 inches the transformer needed will have to use the 430 SS wire, if larger than that gap the all copper transformer is to be used. Not too many people ever notice there are two types of VIC transformers but I did

. For the Gas Processor the all copper VIC transformer should be used, but it can take other types of transformers just as long as they can handle the pulsing rate and have an almost full magnetic field collaps between pulsings or very low hysteresis loss.

And I agree that we will be posting hydrogen fracturing results when the rest will still be transfixated on the VIC transformer and WFC's all hooked up with improper electronics

. But that is the reason for this thread to clear up how Stanley Meyer's technology really works

.

Time for energy independence,

h2opower.

tutanka · #**214** (**permalink**) 04-06-2009, 05:32 PM

HI to all.. I don't think that meyer injector is an good solution.. in fact injector is creator of hydrogen inside to combustion chambre.. but how you know engine is a pump and you have no more time for create hydrogen for burn.. if you consider also other thing.. in fact electrolisys is based on ions (OH-/H+) .. more electrolyte more gas.. you use two electrodes.. one positive and the other negative.. but you can apply the same concept on water and air.. water is the negative electrode and air the positive electrode.. no difference from old electrolisys... if you use multiple stages of negative ions to water you add some electrons(ex:+4), if you use multipel stages of positive ions (ex:-5) you cut some electrons from oxygen.. of course you have to atomize water and respect amount of oxygen present on air (20%) .. and calculate right amount of water.. similar stechiometric value from gasoline/air.. but after if water ionizer and air ionizer are ok and mixed properly you have high amount of hydrogen H2.. if you start plasma discharge you transform H2 to H1 and have a complete reaction.. regards

h20power · #**215** (**permalink**) 04-06-2009, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tutanka

HI to all.. I don't think that meyer injector is an good solution.. in fact injector is creator of hydrogen inside to combustion chambre.. but how you know engine is a pump and you have no more time for create hydrogen for burn.. if you consider also other thing.. in fact electrolisys is based on ions (OH-/H+) .. more electrolyte more gas.. you use two electrodes.. one positive and the other negative.. but you can apply the same concept on water and air.. water is the negative electrode and air the positive electrode.. no difference from old electrolisys... if you use multiple stages of negative ions to water you add some electrons(ex:+4), if you use multipel stages of positive ions (ex:-5) you cut some electrons from oxygen.. of course you have to atomize water and respect amount of oxygen present on air (20%) .. and calculate right amount of water.. similar stechiometric value from gasoline/air.. but after if water ionizer and air ionizer are ok and mixed properly you have high amount of hydrogen H2.. if you start plasma discharge you transform H2 to H1 and have a complete reaction.. regards

This is incorect thinking, when I say "Mirco-mini" that is yet another way to break the bonds of the water molecule and it has nothing to do with Dr. Faraday type electrolysis. We all know that water is a dielectric liquid knowing this we know that all the rules of capacitance applies. As the dielectric liquid passes thru the voltage zones it picks up an image charge of the voltage that is on the capacitors plates of the injector. This image charge in then used to break the bonds of the water molecule by allowing the voltage to perform work. How? As the water molecules evaporate they lose size or that is to say the phyical area of the newly created miro-mini capacitors is decreasing at a rate faster than the relaxation time of the water molecule ability to lose the image charge they picked up. This is the very definition of how voltage preforms work.

Now there are two theories as to what is taking place;

One is the water molecules self destruct as the water molecules decrease in size due to the evaporation time is less than the relaxation time of water.

or

This creates hydronium ions ( H3O+) and these ions can't exist in waters' evaporate state thus releasing one or more ( H9O4+) mono atomic hydrogen atom per water droplet when the droplet size reaches a critical mass of not being able to support any hydronium ions. And the image charge picked up will not allow the hydronium ions to dissapate it's charge.

Again no one ever seemed to pick up on what Stanley Meyer was doing until now. He used two totally different ways to break down the water molecule that both were not apart of Dr. Faradays type of electronlysis. One breaks down the water molecule in a direct short condition and the other I just discribed. I know this is raining on a lot of peoples paraides but we have a revolution to kick off here and those personal views have to be tossed aside for the greater good. The main enemy is greed

for if anyone has motives of greed this technology will not come out. Just think if I was greedy would I have posted the solution to Stanley Meyer's work? No, I would have kept it all to myself and tried in vain to buck the system, and the technology again would have been losted. Think about it.

h2opower.

pmazz850 · #**216** (**permalink**) 04-06-2009, 10:42 PM

h2o,
Is the EEC made in the same manner as the VIC pics you posted? If so, when you say that each bobbins cavity must match the primary's inductance, Does that hold true for the EEC circuit? I'm having trouble separating the two in my head. The circuit is similar except after the positive choke there is an amp consuming device.
Another thing, the voltage zone for ionizing is separate from the voltage zone at the end of the injector cause you want to ionize the air before it goes into the injector, right? Along with charged atomized water and recycled exhaust gasses.
Also are we using lasers or LED's?

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Originally Posted by h20power

As I said before the L1 + L2 method didn't work, it gave me three different resonance frequencies. Then I made another correcting that problem by matching the individual bobbin cavities inductances to that of the primary coil, but I didn't make two sets of chokes and the voltage output was too low. Then I made yet another and did things the way Stanley Meyer did it, and it worked out fine. I made the Transformer to hit resonance at 42.8K Hz but it actually hit it at around 42.7k Hz or something close. It was very hard to keep at reasonance for the tempreture swings would change everything. Then I had to put with getting the water from the same source all the time, so I scraped the whole idea of using the WFC.

The first time I hook it up too the cell it didn't work all that well, so I went back too the books for a long time. Once I added in the EEC it worked okay, but the gas was just hho, and it lacked the energy to do much with. So back to the books once again and I found out just what the Gas Processors true function was. Then I went on to figure out the water fuel injectors and what made them tick, just to see why Stanley Meyer had gotten rid of the WFC. I posted the key to making water for fuel a reality so that everyone could try it out on their own. Sure I left a lot out, but I already explained that position of why I did so. Just build the gas processor for with it you can make a smack booster run a car if you get up to the 7L/min level or more.

Copying a system only leads to failure, understanding a system leads to making that system suit what ever needs you want to use it for. I thought everyone would have figured that out by now. Strive for understanding not copying, for even Stanley Meyer says that anyone with skills in the prior arts can make the system work any way they like. He also says that the Gas Processor can be used on any type of fuel.

I know everyone wants to see a show, wants to be entertained, and/or a show of proof like Ravi. I am not that type of person. I would have the people think, try things, failing many times until they gained a true understanding of the technology, for that is how we learn best after all is it not? After posting the science and the math to back that up, I thought that would be the start of the energy revolution. I gave just enough information so that there would be many different types of working systems out there, not just my version or Stanley Meyer's version. Making this water for fuel technology even that much harder to keep down. For it would be coming from all directions working differently but working none the less. After I write my summary I am not sure if I will write anymore on this site again. I have a life to live enjoying my family and friends.

For the longest time something in me would not let me rest until I did what I did on this site. Now, I feel like moving on with my life and enjoying my family more, for I truly feel I have done my part. I know this will make some upset, but for those that understand what has been done here, freedom awaits them and they know it.
Take care everyone for I wont be writting again until I finish up my summary.

h2opower.

h20power · #**217** (**permalink**) 04-07-2009, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by pmazz850

h2o,
Is the EEC made in the same manner as the VIC pics you posted? If so, when you say that each bobbins cavity must match the primary's inductance, Does that hold true for the EEC circuit? I'm having trouble separating the two in my head. The circuit is similar except after the positive choke there is an amp consuming device.
Another thing, the voltage zone for ionizing is separate from the voltage zone at the end of the injector cause you want to ionize the air before it goes into the injector, right? Along with charged atomized water and recycled exhaust gasses.
Also are we using lasers or LED's?

Hi pmazz850,
The EEC can be hooked up directly to the positive and pulse with the use of a PNP type FET. Depending on what you are hooking it up to the EEC be it the WFC or the GP it hooks up differently. On the GP it has it's own screen mesh grid, on the WFC it shares the positive electrode. And the function of what it does is not the same.

An example of the EEC for the GP

As you can see the EEC doesn't have a VIC coil, and I am using LED's same as Stanley Meyer did though the ones we have today are far more effienct than what Stanley Meyer has in his time. On the injectors you are correct, but that too can be altered. You can fully seperate the three and mix them in different ways and still get the same end results. There are even different ways it can be injected. That is why I set all of this up as an engineering/builders project challange, for there are many ways to skin this cat, and someone out there is bound to out do me

Hope that helped some,

h2opower.

Digits · #**218** (**permalink**) 04-07-2009, 06:53 PM

H2O

This is the last stage of the gas gun I still have to figure exactly what Stan wants in that last stage specially the last chamber in his drawing it show that there are a poitive and negitive voltage zones and there are a coil on the outside?
Things that are still lacking in the drawing is the nozzels of the water mist and the non combustable gases though they are minors.

I have drawn some sort of coil on the last stage though I am not sure how big or how thick the wiring and I presume there should be some sort of spark plug around there some where.

I have started to draft a Engeneering specific drawing of the gasgun showing where O ring should go in and slots to cut and where to fill with resin ect.

I am basically there I just have to get catalogs for specific sizes of parts to do my selection of materials and sizes.

Any coment good or bad will be welcomed.

Question when I induce compressed air into the system and every thing goes wel what can I expect to see from the proceced gas,will it burn if ignited mabe I should add water spray at the end wil it disotiate the water?

But I will show and tell when I have a device built for now hope you lkie the concept drawings.

Digits

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pmazz850 · #**219** (**permalink**) 04-07-2009, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by h20power

Hi pmazz850,
The EEC can be hooked up directly to the positive and pulse with the use of a PNP type FET. Depending on what you are hooking it up to the EEC be it the WFC or the GP it hooks up differently. On the GP it has it's own screen mesh grid, on the WFC it shares the positive electrode. And the function of what it does is not the same.

An example of the EEC for the GP

As you can see the EEC doesn't have a VIC coil, and I am using LED's same as Stanley Meyer did though the ones we have today are far more effienct than what Stanley Meyer has in his time. On the injectors you are correct, but that too can be altered. You can fully seperate the three and mix them in different ways and still get the same end results. There are even different ways it can be injected. That is why I set all of this up as an engineering/builders project challange, for there are many ways to skin this cat, and someone out there is bound to out do me

Hope that helped some,

h2opower.

So, the mesh grid doesn't make contact with the electrode. it just collects the free electrons, right?
I'm going with the gas processor not the WFC.
So the water mist needs to be laser injected and the non combustible gas should be ionized, correct?
I'm thinking of making one chamber for injecting light into the water and another for ionizing the non combusibles and the electron extraction.
Am I headed in the right direction?
Can the water and the ambient air be processed in the same unit?
Sorry for all the questions. I just want to make sure I fully understand before I build a prototype.
When you speak of 125psi, is that pressure all created by the water pump or is there some kind of air pressure needed?
Also should one of the chokes for the EEC be variable?
Thank you for the help!

h20power · #**220** (**permalink**) 04-08-2009, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by pmazz850

So, the mesh grid doesn't make contact with the electrode. it just collects the free electrons, right?
I'm going with the gas processor not the WFC.
So the water mist needs to be laser injected and the non combustible gas should be ionized, correct?
I'm thinking of making one chamber for injecting light into the water and another for ionizing the non combusibles and the electron extraction.
Am I headed in the right direction?
Can the water and the ambient air be processed in the same unit?
Sorry for all the questions. I just want to make sure I fully understand before I build a prototype.
When you speak of 125psi, is that pressure all created by the water pump or is there some kind of air pressure needed?
Also should one of the chokes for the EEC be variable?
Thank you for the help!

Yes, you are correct with the EEC's mesh screen grid all it does it consume freshly stripped electons from the Gas Processor. But the EEC has no choke coils. The variable choke coil you are looking at goes to the Gas Processor, but this is Stanley Meyer older designs though the EEC didn't change the VIC transformer did. In the end Stanley Meyer found it was best to match up the inductances of each bobbin cavities so each of the bobbin caivity coils in the VIC transformer hit resonance all at the same time.

In this patent: Stanley Meyer: Water Electrolysis -- Canadian Patent # 2067735 -- Water Fule Injection System Stanley Meyer shows how the injector system he used is set up. All the gases and the water have 125 psi of presure and the ambent air gas from the outside air is primed prior to being injected through the water injector. If you take a close look at the injector you will notice that the inside electrode has a wall of 125 psi air and exhaust gases around it preventing the water from every coming into contact with electrode 8.

The part of the injector where the dielectric liquid(water) picks up it's image charge is 7a, 7b, and 8. Why Stanley Meyer gave it two numbers when it is just one piece I have no idea for 7a and 7b are the same part. And if you notice he switch the voltage zones having the outside be possitive and the inside be negetive. That part can't be true for that would lead to a direct short as the injectors replace the engines existing spark plugs and the head of the engine is grounded.

Figure 6 shows some sort of a pump control system or fuel distributer of sorts.

And in figure 2b the disc are shown take note that the ionized air gases come from disc 1, the recirculated exhause gases come from disc 2, and the water mist comes from disc 3.

Now the main reasoning for this design is to by pass any vehicals fuel system with a direct replacement system that would allow the use of his systems on many different types of engines, but it is not the only way to do this. If you obey the rules of mixing primed air gases, recirculated exhaust gases and water mist carrying a very high voltage image charge into the combustion chamber you will get the same results. Stanley Meyer's system just allowed the best way to retrofit the many different cars on the market today by fully bypassing the existing fuel system that the vehical employs.

I don't mind being ask questions for not everyone thinks like I do. But mostly I like it when people use the internet to solve their problems for it is a great teaching tool if used for that purpose. I solved this all by asking the right questions and then answering those questions. I concider myself to be as normal as everyone else, but I can't speak for everyone else on how they view this technology.

Hope this helped you out some,

h2opower.

pmazz850 · #**221** (**permalink**) 04-08-2009, 01:51 AM

So we need to create air pressure through the injector. Got it.
If you replace the spark plug with this injector how will you ignite? Wouldn't it be easier to add a port to inject the mixture into the cylinder and still retain the ignition system? Does the mixture have to be ignited immediately after the final voltage zone? can it travel through some sort of tube(after the final voltage zone) then be ignited?
Do you use a VIC in your circuit?
Thanks again for all your help!

I WON'T STOP TILL I'M FREE!!!!!!!!!

h20power · #**222** (**permalink**) 04-08-2009, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by pmazz850

So we need to create air pressure through the injector. Got it.
If you replace the spark plug with this injector how will you ignite? Wouldn't it be easier to add a port to inject the mixture into the cylinder and still retain the ignition system? Does the mixture have to be ignited immediately after the final voltage zone? can it travel through some sort of tube(after the final voltage zone) then be ignited?
Do you use a VIC in your circuit?
Thanks again for all your help!

I WON'T STOP TILL I'M FREE!!!!!!!!!

I am saying Stanley Meyer used air pressure but that is not the only way it can be done. Just follow the rules and all should be well. As for the ignition system I think Stanley Meyer used the existing system he just never showed how he hooked it all up. For if you look at pics of the dune buggy you can see that the distributer cap is still in use. The rest I have to leave to you to test out for I have not tested that out as of yet. Oh and yes I use a VIC the all copper one since I am not using a WFC at all and the gap in my Gas Processor is close to 2 cm's. The fuel is treated like any other fuel compressed then ignited none of the rules for using fuels change. And remember the amount of non combustable gases you put into the system varies the burn rate, so you can make it match that of gasoline.

Best wishes,

h2opower.

h20power · #**223** (**permalink**) 04-08-2009, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Digits

H2O

This is the last stage of the gas gun I still have to figure exactly what Stan wants in that last stage specially the last chamber in his drawing it show that there are a poitive and negitive voltage zones and there are a coil on the outside?
Things that are still lacking in the drawing is the nozzels of the water mist and the non combustable gases though they are minors.

I have drawn some sort of coil on the last stage though I am not sure how big or how thick the wiring and I presume there should be some sort of spark plug around there some where.

I have started to draft a Engeneering specific drawing of the gasgun showing where O ring should go in and slots to cut and where to fill with resin ect.

I am basically there I just have to get catalogs for specific sizes of parts to do my selection of materials and sizes.

Any coment good or bad will be welcomed.

Question when I induce compressed air into the system and every thing goes wel what can I expect to see from the proceced gas,will it burn if ignited mabe I should add water spray at the end wil it disotiate the water?

But I will show and tell when I have a device built for now hope you lkie the concept drawings.

Digits

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In my system the engines vacuum draws in the air through the Gas Processor, after the GP is the EEC, then the recirculated exhuast gases, and then I make the micro-capacitors with the water everything being sucked into the combustion chamber by the engines own vacuum. As you can see I bent the rules a lot for I made the system suit the car and not bypass the car existing system as Stanley Meyer did. I seperated all the needed componets. That's why I tell everyone to design their own for if you follow the rules it still will work and we will get many prototypes that all work. On the wire sizes you can vary the sizes of the wire to suit your needs. I love the design and the program your using, looks very sharp and impressive.

And no, it wont disotiate the water, remember the rule is to atomized the water and also put an image charge on it turning the droplets into micro-capacitors since water is polar. Like any type of fuel the better we atomize it the better it will mix with the air to be exploded. For just like gasoline if the injector malfuctions and shoots a stream of gasoline into the combustion chamber you pritty much lose that pistons power contribution to the engine, the same rules apply to water for use as a fuel.

Gauss · #**224** (**permalink**) 04-08-2009, 07:30 AM

About the multispool VIC in my opinion the thing that matters is that you have few turns and a low L value of each spool to increase the resonance frequency and still have a huge series resistance . Otherwise it is impossible to hit resonance at a high enough frequency and not get alot of Amps into the cell. His old one is simpler and there is no reason the multispool VIC should not work with the EEC. Remember Stan had only limited time to document what he was doing.

h20power · #**225** (**permalink**) 04-08-2009, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Gauss

About the multispool VIC in my opinion the thing that matters is that you have few turns and a low L value of each spool to increase the resonance frequency and still have a huge series resistance . Otherwise it is impossible to hit resonance at a high enough frequency and not get alot of Amps into the cell. His old one is simpler and there is no reason the multispool VIC should not work with the EEC. Remember Stan had only limited time to document what he was doing.

The EEC has no coils at all hooked up to it, it is hooked to the positive source of electricity, then to a PNP FET, then to a diode, to and amp consuming device, and then to the screen mesh grid. Please let me answer the questions for your confusing everyone, okay? Thanks

h2opower.

Gauss · #**226** (**permalink**) 04-08-2009, 09:58 AM

No the EEC has no coils it is an amp consuming device used in conjunction with the VIC, you are correct about the EEC not having coils...

I tried to talk about the VIC(not the EEC) which can have 3 coils on the secondary side or many more. In the VIC drawing with the EEC there are 3 coils on the VIC 2ndary side, in later chapters there can be up to 42 spools(3*14 spools). The minimum for the VIC is 3 coils and you can separate those three into many smaller spools to adjust the resonance frequency to optimum.

I believe anyone notices in the drawing that there is no difference between the VIC with EEC and without EEC. The only question is which type of VIC you want to use. That is all from me now...

pmazz850 · #**227** (**permalink**) 04-08-2009, 03:26 PM

H2O,
Quote: In the end Stanley Meyer found it was best to match up the inductances of each bobbin cavities so each of the bobbin caivity coils in the VIC transformer hit resonance all at the same time.
When you say each cavity are we talking 4? Primary,secondary,choke,choke?

h20power · #**228** (**permalink**) 04-08-2009, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by pmazz850

H2O,
Quote: In the end Stanley Meyer found it was best to match up the inductances of each bobbin cavities so each of the bobbin caivity coils in the VIC transformer hit resonance all at the same time.
When you say each cavity are we talking 4? Primary,secondary,choke,choke?

Yes, that is correct, the best way is to wrap one of each bobbin cavity and the primary to get the count needed for the whole VIC transformer of each of the coils; primary, secondary, choke(1), choke(2). You would need to take the readings of all of them with an induction meter of some kind. I have an LCR meter that I put to good use and it is good to +/- 0.0009 or something like that. Due to the mean radius changing the number count changes to get the same inductance, plus the differnet wire sizes also have an effect on inductance the smaller the wire size the more winds you will need to get the same inductance of a larger wire size aswell as the proximity of the coils to the core. Now the VIC transformers have to be matched up to what it is you are hooking them up to first, that is to say you must know the capacitance of the item it is going to be hooked up to before you can build the VIC transformer that is going to be matched up to it. That way you can shoot for any frequency you so desire, just building it in the blind is just plain stupid

. The VIC transformer is easy to understand however not so easy to build. So take your time with it and if you have any more questions feel free to ask.

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From Stanley Meyer
Increased coil length equilly increases applied voltage level/amp restriction since inductance/capacitance increases proportionally.

Stanley Meyer is talking about the chokes.

Best Wishes,

h2opower.

pmazz850 · #**229** (**permalink**) 04-08-2009, 06:40 PM

Scratch that. Its three right? Primary, secondary, and chokes? The chokes are wound bifilar. Are your chokes hooked up paralell or do they oppose each other? If i remember, some of Stans diagrams show them hooked up opposing each other.

h20power · #**230** (**permalink**) 04-08-2009, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by pmazz850

Scratch that. Its three right? Primary, secondary, and chokes? The chokes are wound bifilar. Are your chokes hooked up paralell or do they oppose each other? If i remember, some of Stans diagrams show them hooked up opposing each other.

The way I do the chokes is to wrap the first layer completely then run the wire back through the cut grove of the bobbin cavity and wrap the second choke right on top of the first one. There is no breaks in the wire. The wire I use is already parallel bonded as to cut out any mistakes of trying to keep the wire joined together by hand when you can barly see the wire. If you take a real hard look at the VIC tansformer as a whole you will notice that there is only a primary and a secondary, the secondary has been broken up into small bobbin cavities. The top secondary is bifilar wond thus giving us the maxium capacitive reactance possible.
This is just an example of what is going on with bifilar windings:

Now the other part of the secondary windings now called "dual layered chokes" are also parallel bonded wire so the length of the wire is the same throughout but it is not hooked up back into itself as the first part of the three part secondary winding is it is placed on to two voltage potienal zones in the Gas Processor and in the WFC to a dielectric liquid with a low break down voltage between two voltage zones. Remember to get the magnetic fields to add up they have to be going in the same direction.

Hope that helps,

h2opower.

pmazz850 · #**231** (**permalink**) 04-08-2009, 08:31 PM

Thank you very much. I appreciate your help.

h20power · #**232** (**permalink**) 04-09-2009, 12:17 AM

Your wellcome pmazz850, just doing what I can to aid humanity to becoming energy independent.

Your

h2opower

pmazz850 · #**233** (**permalink**) 04-09-2009, 12:26 AM

So would one GP be able to supply all injectors?
And would I need two Vic's? One for the ionizing step and one for the injector zone? Or can one supply power for both?
These pictures of "The gas resonant cavity" are the actual Gas processor right?

CPU3rother · #**234** (**permalink**) 04-09-2009, 02:12 AM

It appears that your believes have a foundation of stone and not sand. However, weather you are correct or not in your deciphering, It will not be you who receives the glory. Because if it is as you say and your motive is so pure you would not make claim to gift something that doesn't belong to you in the first place. Despite all this, I'll trust that your intent is honorable and thank you for your service. I wish more service members understood the meaning and importance of the oath they made. It is scary to think that such a powerfully group of people don't know what master they swore to serve. A few things that lend credibility to your claim.

1) Volume dose not determine energy yield.
This has been shown by many and I have measured it first hand over the years.

2) Water can be made to "burn" with a little help.
This has been shown by many. I'm sure of this after reproducing the "Water Sparkplug" Your theory could be similar to what is seen in that thread. As it has been suggested that Ionized air is playing a role in that effect.

3) You are saying exactly what Stan said in his patents on other docs.

A few questions if you have the time.

Is it the Ionized Oxygen (GP), the VIC that could be used to Ionize Oxygen (VIC running GP) or the gas moving through a specific shape of the surface area of the injector or alternate fuel distribution system (How can voltage preform work? How can a magnet preform work? How can an atom preform work?) that is the "Magic" behind your theory?

Oxygen, and water for that mater reflect blue light so I would surmise that a red LED would be a good place to start. What do you think? White is almost certainly what Stan used. Wouldn't using white be a safe way to go? It would rule out the LEDs as the source for the entire system failing.

Gauss
Regardless of who is correct. You are the one who looks like the MIB by going into someones thread and tirelessly trying to kill the idea. Put that effort into creating results to prove your theory.

Gauss · #**235** (**permalink**) 04-09-2009, 07:23 AM

@Cpu, I am not saying anyone is incorrect, I was explaining the differences between VICs and the strategy of how to adjusting the resonance freqs.

Take it easy I am no MIB as you will see.. I really hope H2O or whoever can build the water ion engine and finally end this technology misery. I believe progress is being made here. The level has increased.

h20power · #**236** (**permalink**) 04-09-2009, 07:38 AM

Okay I have questions from two people let me copy and paste the questions as I try to answer them as best I can.

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Is it the Ionized Oxygen (GP), the VIC that could be used to Ionize Oxygen (VIC running GP) or the gas moving through a specific shape of the surface area of the injector or alternate fuel distribution system (How can voltage preform work? How can a magnet preform work? How can an atom preform work?) that is the "Magic" behind your theory?

There is not magic, the definition of how voltage preforms work, I learned from MIT. Ask yourself why does voltage break downs mostly occur on points or sharp edges when the break down voltage is reached of a medium? Voltage is fourced to preform work when the area of the charged surface is decreasing. Cone shapes, corners, edges, sharp points all have one thing in common, the area is decreasing the closer you get to the edge. Water can share this area decreasing effect through evaporation. Being that water is a dielectric liquid it has the ability to pick up an image charge when past between a capacitor. The relaxation time of water determins how long it will hold on to that charge and the rate at which the charge leaks off with the passage of time. If you set the water up to evaporate faster than the image charge placed on it can leak off voltage has to, by definition, preform work on the water molecule. It first splits the water molecules into smaller droplets when a sort of critical mass is reached. This is where the two theories come into play:

One is the water molecules self destruct as the water molecules decrease in size due to the evaporation time is less than the relaxation time of waters ability to leak off the image charge pick up by passing through the high voltage zone. Due to waters polar nature they form micro-capacitors that will short out as the area becomes close to zero.
or

This creates hydronium ions ( H3O+) and these ions can't exist in waters' evaporate state thus releasing one or more ( H9O4+) mono atomic hydrogen atom(s) per water droplet when the droplet size reaches a critical mass of not being able to support any hydronium ions. And the image charge picked up will not allow the hydronium ions to dissapate it's charge, and/or normalize turning back into H2O.

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Oxygen, and water for that mater reflect blue light so I would surmise that a red LED would be a good place to start. What do you think? White is almost certainly what Stan used. Wouldn't using white be a safe way to go? It would rule out the LEDs as the source for the entire system failing.

This is where I am unable to tell what wavelengths of light will effect the oxygen atom the best for it is imposible to tell from the chart found here which wavelengths are from ionized atoms or normal atoms: Spectra of Gas Discharges My best guess is something I don't want to post due to I know everyone will just copy it and if it doesn't work blaim me for it not doing so. This time everyone has to do there own research but I will tell you that atomic oxygen has a wavelength of 777.194 nm if that is a good wavelength to use I am unsure, so it is best everyone do their own homework/research on this one.

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So would one GP be able to supply all injectors?
And would I need two Vic's? One for the ionizing step and one for the injector zone? Or can one supply power for both?
These pictures of "The gas resonant cavity" are the actual Gas processor right?

Yes, one gas processor will be able to run the show. In looking at Stanley Meyer's work I would say each injector will need it's own VIC transformer for in looking at his WFC each tube set seems to have had it's own VIC transformer as shown here:

Here you can see 11 VIC circuits and the count might be nine for the WFC and one the Gas Processor and one for the Steam Resonator. But that again is a best guess as too what I think is shown here.

I know I didn't answer all the questions but I hope what I did answer was helpfull in some way,

h2opower.

tutanka · #**237** (**permalink**) 04-09-2009, 07:51 AM

HI H2O,
I have read some your explainations but at this time I don't have understand effective reactions.. In fact Meyer system is based on electrons, you add .. you cut electrons.. you ask that water is atomized .. ok.. in this waymy mind figure it.. air (oxygen) and water and charged. For charged we add electrons to water and we cut electrons to air.. after are mixed trougth injector and sended thougth HV field that transform mixture in monoatomic hydrogen (I think).. But as you know engine have phases and time of reaction is very small.. For it my mind suggest me to create externally hydrogen to send into engine.. If Meyer system work as I have mentioned there are not difference to create externally hydrogen and send it into engine.. Or I have lost other thing?? Please answer me .. Many Thanks

tutanka · #**238** (**permalink**) 04-09-2009, 08:08 AM

After H2O ...
You ask of vacuum, etc... Some threads ago you have posted an youtube video link about engine that theorically work to water.. This work in this way.. First charge water with temperature at 90°C, chambre combustion is different and air compressed with piston (high temperaure is reached) is accumulate with specific valve inside chambre combustion, after piston oes down and create vacuum.. in this condition is injected water atomized 90°C and electric arc HV is created.. result (to verify) is creation of hydrogen into combustion chambre.. after hot air is released and burn hydrogen.. This is an best scenario but in fact must be verified and engine must be modified in some parts.. Our real scenario is different .. we have an standard 4 stroke engine and we have to work on it.. If you have run with success an 4 stroke engine you are great but you can share with us your video and explain pratically and not with theory as you have reach this success.. no more words are needed .. I don't want your project but only an scheme to blocks ..

h20power · #**239** (**permalink**) 04-09-2009, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by tutanka

HI H2O,
I have read some your explainations but at this time I don't have understand effective reactions.. In fact Meyer system is based on electrons, you add .. you cut electrons.. you ask that water is atomized .. ok.. in this waymy mind figure it.. air (oxygen) and water and charged. For charged we add electrons to water and we cut electrons to air.. after are mixed trougth injector and sended thougth HV field that transform mixture in monoatomic hydrogen (I think).. But as you know engine have phases and time of reaction is very small.. For it my mind suggest me to create externally hydrogen to send into engine.. If Meyer system work as I have mentioned there are not difference to create externally hydrogen and send it into engine.. Or I have lost other thing?? Please answer me .. Many Thanks

It is an ionic reaction where hydrogen is the limiting reagent. Now in the math I posted what I show is a worste case possibility. The charged air gases have to break down the water molecule expending 1836 kJ/mol to do so, and only di-atomic hydrogen was used to complete the reaction with the ionized oxygen atom. Don't worry about the time it takes for the engine to suck the mixture into the combustion chamber for the gas speeds inside of an engines intake system are quite fast. Now you can put hydrogen in to mix with it in the combustion chamber for it wont hurt the overall process. But if you have a blow back with thermo explosive energy you might kiss your Gas Processor good bye as well as the whole intake system that isn't design to handle high pressures.

The system is stripping electrons from the oxygen and inducing an image charge on the water molecules as a result the water molecules are negetive and the oxygen atoms are positive, I wonder if I got that right, but anyway that is how it works with the water injector system.

Nite all,

h2opower.

tutanka · #**240** (**permalink**) 04-09-2009, 08:57 AM

HI H2O,
Thanks for reply me..
Ok .. but how many electrons are stripped from oxygen and add to water?? This is fundamental for reach the success.. Is a mathematical electronic reaction and can't be casual but precise..