So how many volts do we think we need for the final voltage zone that puts the image charge on the water? I do believe it can be straight DC for yoU don't need a pulse to put an image charge on water. As shown in the kelvin generator videos.

As far as I can tell water has a threshold of 20k volts. At 20k volts and above the voltage starts to fource the water droplets to divid into smaller water droplets. The droplets are not round they are cylindical in shape but a bent cylindical shape of about 109 degrees. You will have to refresh your mind by going over all of these lectures over and over again for we just don't always think in the right frame of mind: MIT OpenCourseWare | Physics | 8.02 Electricity and Magnetism, Spring 2002 | Video Lectures

Now the question you ask, pmazz850, is a very important one for it has to do with the timing or if you will the frequency used for the different lengths of the voltage zones and tempertures used on the water molecule while it is under perssure. Meyer takes the time to tell us that the voltage zones have to be from 0.25-1.00 inches. For it is a timing issue, as the hot water leaves the injector into a low pressure zone it imedeatly turns into vapor, or that is to say the time frame is very short. These little water droplets then pick up an image charge while flowing through the voltage zone but every time they reach 20k volts they divid in physical size and the pulsing from the voltage zones power supply recharges the water droplet and the process repeats. The thing we want is the water droplets to reach a critical mass and the micro capacitor shorts out creating hydrogen and oxygen as it does. That is the reason the voltage zones must be pulsed so that this process repeats enough times to break down the water molecule. Evaporation also plays a key role in this happening for as the water divids it is also evaporating thus the surface area of the physical micro capacitors are shrinking at the same time they are dividing and being recharged. That is the main reason I am starting off at 50k Hz for I have only enough room for a 0.25 inch voltage zone and my temps might also have to be higher than 90 degrees C to decrease the time it takes for the water to turn into a vapor. It's all about the time frame in which you have to work with over the distance you have to do work on the water molecule. As far as power consumption we are only dealing with micro amps.

Go over all the lectures for none of us keep all that is given in there in our minds all the time so we need a refresher from time to time so that we stay on track and keep sharpe.

Hope that aided in your understanding of how the injectors work using known science to answer the question.


h2opower.

Thanks H2opower, I'll refresh my mind!!

The PATENT DRAWINGS show the electrical connections between the chokes and the secondary...

The Connections are in SERIES....

WHEN FULLY ASSEMBLED, THE VIC COIL BECOMES A PARALLEL CONNECTED INDUCTOR IN RELATION TO THE TAPER RESONANT CAVITY OR WFC.

The final connection of the VIC uses a parallel LC RESONANT calculation.
THIS RESULTS IN HIGH VOLTAGE AND MINIMUM AMPS AT THE RESONANT FREQUENCY BASED ON THE CAPACITANCE AND INDUCTANCE.

I dont mind explaining that the circuit that you are looking at ( where the chokes are shown one on each side in series...) is drawn to LEAD PEOPLE AWAY from stealing the design.

Just as any assembly of pancake coils spirally wound side by side are SERIES CONNECTED, but when combined by capacitive and inductive reactance on a common core, they end up as a UNIT CONNECTED in PARALLEL to the LOAD.

Im done with you... from now on im just going to ignore your foolish posts...
sorry... do some reading of this thread from page one and try to leave out of your mind all the silly ideas from casual commenters, who do not understand science... as you read this thread, the explanations will teach you common electrical theory and beginning physics.. Good Day SIR!

There are NO final voltages... the voltage level is variable to allow different volumes of gasses depending on the demand from the engine... as far as i know, the Kelvin Generators can produce straight DC but the DC comes from a static charge build up on the rings and the containers, and in my opinion will not give enough amperage to drive any useful loads, like motors or lights of any wattage. There can be huge voltages generated with static charges, but the amperages are in the milliamp range...
please correct me if i am wrong...

Also, the taper voltage waveguide is more like a water fuel cell than a kelvin ring... a kelvin ring has only one polarity on the outside and the sink (bucket of water) is the other polarity.

Straight dc VS Pulsed DC... with a 50% duty cycle you will cut the amperage in half!

if we could freeze time and stop the earth from turning ( just to get the whole time freezing picture established...) there would bo NO AMPERAGE in any ELECTRICAL CIRCUIT in the UNIVERSE!
Amperage is a measure of electron flow over time.
On the other hand Voltage is instantaneous and eternal simultaneously... without time we can have voltage but no amperage.....and no work produced except that potential energy that was waiting to do work at the moment time was frozen, at whatever level ithappened to be at.

Thats my new paradigm, we shall call it " Quantum -Conceptual ElectroPhilosophy ".

Hi Tron,
The Kelvin Genarators is exactly how the injectors work. Remember I spoke of the relaxation time for water to carry a charge? What that is saying is the water will carry the voltage potential for a given time. This part I don't think even Stanley Meyer understood fully, given time though I am sure he would have figured it out. The part in the video I posted that shows the two 510 volt batteries is the the same as what we are doing with the injectors. Except our power source is the VIC transformer with a blocking diode that will double the voltage of the capacitor to the power supply in the capacitor. The injectors take the least about of current of all of Stanley Meyer's technologies. The reason for this is what is being done is simular to how a lightining storm works, hens a Kevlvin Genarator. The tapper part of the voltage zone allows voltage to preform work by physical changing the surface area of the capacitor. How that part works is the potential is always perpendicular to the surface(s) so is the magnetic field in a capacitor so as the surface area changes the flux density on the surface in creases but the net charge has remained the same. In doing to voltage has to preform work to keep in ballance. I happens twice in some of Meyer injector designs the water molecule is loosing surface area and the voltage zone is also loosing surface area. The time of all of this is in the miliseconds and that is why Stanley Meyer says if you want to convert more water you increase the frequency and to process more water with a fixed design you increase the voltage amplitude. The Gas Processor is a fixed design as well as the water fuel injectors, so what can be changed is the VIC transformers that will resonate at different frequencies in the LC circuit.

Note everyone he is right on the VIC transformer for even though it says it has a primary, secondary , and two chokes, it really only has a primary and a secondary. The secondary has been broken down into more parts but it is still just one secondary and that is the same as the way an alternator is designed for all the winds only make up three secondaries for a three phase power supply, noting that each loop is equal to one bobbin cavity in the VIC transformer(though with the two layered part equals two loops). How the voltages are built up in an alternator is the same as how voltages are built up in the VIC transformer.

I know it is not easy to see how the injectors relate to the Kelvin Genarators for it is not intuitive. You really have to understand the mechanizims involved to see that is how they are working. That was the last part of Stanley Meyer's technologies I solved and was the most difficult for it means he used two different ways to break down the water molecule. One was through equlibrium changes and the other was using the properties of water to aid in it being broken down.

So now for the record there are four ways to break down the water molecule, Faraday, Magnetic, Equilbrium changes, and The properties of water. I think heat and pressure can also break down the water molecule and that would make it five ways. In accelerators this is a problem they have to design for, for they don't want the water molecule breaking down with the magnetic fields and they use water as the dielectric and for cooling.

Hope that helps everyones understanding a bit further,

h2opower.

And the reason for that is that you two are the only ones i trust to 100 % in this tread, so for that reason the next question is to you two guys. It´s about the GP!

Now, first of all - the question i´m about ask might have been covered (since i´m asking, i´m not sure it has) and it might something reapeting it self over again, but never mind, here it goes.
...

In the beginning of this forum h2opower said this:

NOW, i looked over some numbers of ionization of Oxygen - the energy required to REMOVE electrons and this is what i found:

The Oxygen Ionization Energy is the energy required to remove from atom one mole of electrons with subsequent production of positively charged ion of Oxygen. O -> O+ + e-
This process can be repeated many times, but the energy cost is increased dramatically. The general equation for the Oxygen is:
ON+ -> O(N+1)+ + e-

O -> O1+ = 1313.9 kJ/mol = 314.33 Kcal/mol
O1+ -> O2+ = 3388.2 kJ/mol = 810.57 Kcal/mol
O2+ -> O3+ = 5300.3 kJ/mol = 1268.01 Kcal/mol
O3+ -> O4+ = 7469.1 kJ/mol = 1786.87 Kcal/mol
O4+ -> O5+ = 10989.3 kJ/mol = 2629.02 Kcal/mol
O5+ -> O6+ = 13326.2 kJ/mol = 3188.09 Kcal/mol
O6+ -> O7+ = 71333.3 kJ/mol = 17065.38 Kcal/mol
O7+ -> O8+ = 84076.3 kJ/mol = 20113.95 Kcal/mol

from: Oxygen Ionization Energy

For as i understand this (i might be wrong here): It requires 1313.9kj/mol to remove one elektron from one oxygen atom and if you only did that and nothing more, you whould get back 1968.85kj/mol becous you need to add the energy content of hydrogen wich is 1313.9 + 1312 = 1968kj/mol... BUT WHAIT A MOMENT.
(next line is from Hydrogen - EniG. Periodic Table of the Elements)

1st ionization energy of hydrogen is 1312.06kj/mole (that´s it, it only has one lv).
1st ionization energy of oxygen is 1313.9kj/mol
1312.06 + 1313.9 = 2625.96kj/mol

When i was reading true the two pages i linked to, THAT IS WHAT I GOT OUT OF IT - 2625kj/mol of energy - but look closly.

What h2opower is saying is this:

Now this is what happens when it passes through the Gas Processor:
1st ionozation level,
H 1312 + 1/2 O 1313.9 = 1968.85 kJ/mol ... WHAT? a 1/2 oxygen atom??? (wich is 656.95kj/mol) HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?

Did you mean to write 1/2 O2 (the half of one oxygen molecule)???... becous one half oxygen atom doesent make sense to me

So, h2opower, you are welcome to clarefy that one and it should be you
...

Now, lets move over to the actual question and the main reason for me writing.

The key to this process is the GP and EEC, okey, that means that we need to gaine energy in the GP right, becouse we know that it takes ENERGY (operator input) to dislodge electrones from the nucleus (reffering to the numbers abbow) so, according to my numbers and understanding of the GP (IMPORTANT) this is what i found reasonable.
BUT first of all one huge question - just to see if i´m right or not.

"When the HHO gas enters the GP whit it´s elektron(s) in the same inviroment we need to start a reconance action or an electron moving motion. What is important to know is that everytime you remove an electron, the remaining electrons gets puled closer to the atomic nucleus - why? becous of the decrease of energy and that is the reason for higher ionozation energy every level you wich to move to. So, between lv 1 and lv 8 in the oxygen atom there is 84076.3 - 1313.9 = 82762.4kj/mol of energy. Now in order to gain energy there must be a logic to the GP.
For if i understand it correctly this is what happens.

First you have no movement and 8 electrones in the oxygen atom - now you whant to remove one electrone so you start to reconate the oxygen right? -the electron shell starts to move (pulsating) in and out from it´s orbit (higher state and back down t it´s lower state many times a secund) - The key is to remove the electron when it is in it´s higher state to bypass the energy level of the 1´st ionozation level (to half it or so) - now lets assume that this number is 600kj/mol - you gained 1313.9 - 600 = 713.9kj/mol. There is no magic, only science right?.. so that is my logic - do you see the patern?

Now lets move on to the 2´nd lvl and follow teh same pathern. If we whant to gain energy in the 2´nd ionozation level you need to move the electrone path back to it´s first level (minimum) wich gives us 3388.2 - 1313.9 = 2074.3kj/mol.
If the 2´nd ionozation level is moved UP to the 1´st ionozation level - THAT IS WHERE YOU GAIN ENERGY... so how whould that look like?

3388,2 + 1313,9kj/mol (1´st + 2´nd lv) = 4702,1kj/mol [recuiered energy]
713.9 + 2074.3 kj/mol (energy gained) = 2788.2kj/mol

4702.1 - 2788.2 = 1913.9 kj/mol .. THAT IS WHAT YOU GAIN IN USING THE GP if you only remove two electrones from one oxygen atom.

The futher away the elctrones are the easyer it is to remove them - it´s simple, but how fare can we move them in the GP???
...

This is my logic and this is how i see it. Correct me if i´m wrong - i am only trying to understand what the photons actually do to the atom - what happens and what the reason is for the electron reduction... hope i used the right words here so you can understand me

Take care!

In the begining I made some misteaks, but later on to went back to the books to make sure I was doing everything the right way. This is the part where I got the math right: Stanley Meyer Explained

I assume you have no formal chemisty in that you don't know that the ionization levels are a two way street. When the energy level goes up you don't see anything, only when the energy level falls back down do you see energy in the form of light in most cases.

What makes the Gas Processor so powerfull at this is the rules of capacitance and the photonic energy in the form of coherent light. The rules of capacitance is the field is always hit perpendicular to the surface and every atom on the surface is working alone but in concert as you move down through the Gas Processor due to the pulse train set at the Gas Processor it is almost ever regenerative with the frequency being so fast. Now when the pulse train is switched off the coherent light energy is switched on this keeps the energies gained from falling back down. But due to LED light advancements we can now also use the coherent light to also push up the energy levels aswell. Stanley Meyer didn't have ultra vilolet or white light LEDs in his time and the LEDs he did have you could shine right in your eye and still see afterwards, do not try that with todays LEDs for you will get perminate eye damage and/or never see again. All these advancements has made it easyer for us to do the same job Stanley Meyer did. Now to see what photons do to the oxygen atom one only has to study the bora bora light over the poles for most of what you are seeing is the oxgyen ionized atoms falling in energy level that have been bombarded by light waves from our sun and magnetic fields from our planet. The Gas Processor simulates that action and is why Stanley Meyer uses that example in the patents.

Now do you get an idea of how powerfull this Gas Processor really is? It is an intermixing chamber of electrons and photons all working on the oxygen atoms in its' gas form. For this is how mother nature does it everytime you see a lightining storm, every time you see a seed growing out of the ground, everytime you see life on this planet. We all follow the same rules and that is to deal with the atoms or molecules of substances on a atomic scale( very small). For most of the work that keeps us alive is done in our small capularies and villa of the small intestants, and also the lungs. They deal with small atoms and molecules, that is why it is very dangerous injecting anything directly into your blood stream for something like a few grains of salt could kill you for the body hasn't had time to process it. I find it amazing that this technology has opened my eyes to how everything works in life, that to me shows we are tapping into the wheel work of life. Just as Teasla predicted so many years ago.

The reason I leave out the Hydrogen atom is that it only has only electron to strip off and the process of the injectors really only break down the water molecules into hydrogen and oxygen, though a longer voltage zone might bump up the energy levels, it was not accounted for in the math equations that I ran. Thus in my final adding I left out the hydrogen's ionization level completely for to me it is an energy carrier (just as the scince guys says it is) and in doing so I was able to see that at oxygens 4th ionization level the reactions energy content over takes the energy content of gasoline. That is when Stanley Meyer's words talking about the 4th energy level or more made sense to me and it is all the math you are going to get from him unfortunitly. These are the parts he left out of the patents, and all I did was take a very close look at the Gas Processor and the whole water for fuel technology opened up to me.

I hope that helps your understanding a bit more, not sure if you wanted me to go into the numbers or not, but really didn't see a need to do so.


h2opower.

Thanks to all for Your contris:
h20power, HMS-776, TRON, Oneminde and all the others
AND
sebosfato

Not sure what kind of resonance it is, but keep in mind:

In a SERIES resonance circuit (at resonance w0) the current Is(t) is all the same into, inside and out of circuit:
Is(t) = Ic(t) = Il(t) = Ir(t)
The voltage across the whole series resonance circuit Us is (can be) much lower then the voltage across L: Ul or across C: Uc:
Ul = Uc >> Us


In a PARALLEL resonance circuit (at resonance w0) the voltage Up(t) is all the same across circuit, across L, across C, across R:
U(p) = Uc(t) = Ul(t) = Ur(t)
The current into the parallel resonance circuit Ip is (can be) much lower then the current into L: Il or into C: Ic:
Il = Ic >> Ip

Question is, what do we want?
High voltage at C?
Or
High current into C?

The power lost (the real power into circuit) is in either cases only depending on R.


Thanks a lot to all,
and sebosfato, please, keep on posting

regards
magnetO

sebosfato you now seem to have an request to make your own thread. So please do so! Thanks.

Magneto thanks for interest you mean the input current is = to the circulating current right? with no limitation it is even higher it can go up to 1Kamps with no benefit to voltage or recirculating current load impedance become very low so is like a short circuit for the imput circuit. Using the simulation i understood the vic function is to have a soft start like or a limit for the input current power if you want it is the responsable to the step charging effect if you connect it straight to a capacitor but it will create a resonant charging effect if you connect the way i said. Meyer was very inteligent he would not make it that easy but the sync pulse circuit is the right one it don't need the alternator and all the components there are clean like water. so he said series circuit.

Stan was for sure aplying maybe 2 or even 40kv using 1 ma/h but after 1 second working at for saying on my design 500khz you have 500000*60sec*60min= 1800000000 pulses in one hour right ok if you have 1mA / 1800000000 you have 5E-13 amps per pulse ok so if you apply 500khz for a infinite Q circuit you would have 5E-13 amps * 500khz^500000. Now you know how to calculate a duty cycle for controling this. If you have about 5000 Q you have 5E-13*500000^5000 band widith would be 100 hz +-


About multisim you should register to demonoid to be able to download the torrent than you download it using utorrent or lime wire ... than activate it with the activation. maybe also on rapid share.

the program is easy and simple you put a function generator voltimeter amperimeter osciloscope transformer diode and inductor and capacitor and try try try.

H20 thanks you for the incentive and soon when i have everything hook up here i'm going to say if it works and from that moment we are going to be free. i sugest you all to print this all thread save the information.

Tron thank you for questions and doubts i hope i can show you the way not only for having a technology like this but to learn something very important to your life that is to hear even if you still not sure if its right or not because messages come in the midles of the words. P E a CE

Voltage across the capacitor in our case is = to dc resistance of the capacitor * the dc rectified recirculating current.

Stan said the circuit is self sustained oscilating he intend to say it after it start it work using most water electrons and electrons from the gas processore to run the circuit.

In a SERIES resonant circuit we have L and C in series, and in between a Resistance R (at least the wiring of coil). The input current and the circuit current (thru coil, thru cap, thru wiring) is all the same on each part of a second (at a given frequency). At resonance the current goes as high, as the Resistance R is low (we always have Resistance of coil wiring). So the SERIES resonant current does NOT exceed all limits! It has simply a (maybe high) value. But the voltage across the coil and the voltage across the cap (WFC, tapered Resonance Cavity) does exceed all limits (if Q is very high). The (very high) voltage across C is 90° later than the current thru C, so no real power. The (very high) voltage across L is 90° prior to the current thru L. In either cases no real power is needed. But we need to have the power for current thru wiring (P=I²*R).
When WFC, tapered Resonace Cavity is part of a series resonance circiut, we can put all high voltage on it.

In a PARALLEL resonant cirquit the voltage is the same over all parts. Input voltage = voltage across cap = voltage across coil. No voltage multiplying at all. At resonance the current thru the circuit is mostly restricted! But the current INTO the cap, and the current INTO the coil can exceed very high. (Again without being real power).
When WFC, resonant Cavity is part of parallel resonance circuit, we can push strong current thru it.

Question is, what do we want?



I dont really understand that above.


Thanks for describing how to do. I will catch that multisim.

Regards
magnetO

EDITS IN RED...

SIMPLY, STAN MEYER HAD 2 MILLIAMPS IN HIS WFC

SIMPLY, ONLY A PARALLEL RESONANT CIRCUIT WILL OPERATE THAT WAY...

SIMPLY, ANYONE USING HIGH CURRENT TO SPLIT WATER IS USING YESTERDAYS FARADAY CIRCUITS, AND PRODUCING HEAT, AND WASTING ENERGY, HEAT = LOW EFFICIENCY

SIMPLY, THIS EXPLAINS HIGH YIELD HYDROXY WITH LOW INPUT POWER

AND FURTHERMORE...ADD THOSE MAFIA IONS FROM THE GP AND SOME WATER SKULLS ARE GONNA SPLIT!

NOW I UNDERSTAND HOW STAN COULD GO THROUGH SO MUCH WATER, AND PRODUCE SO MUCH GASS IN SUCH A SHORT TIME...

THE ONLY WAY HE WAS ABLE TO CALCULATE 22 GALLONS OF TAP WATER USED FOR A TRIP FROM LOS ANGELES TO NEW YORK, WAS THANKS TO THE GAS PROCESSOR AND THE SHAPE OF THE INJECTOR NODDLE CREATING COMPRESSIONAL WAVES....MAYBE HE EVEN HAD THE WATER RECLAMATION DEVICE SET UP TO PUT A PERCENTAGE OF THAT WATER FUEL RIGHT BACK INTO THE CYCLE AGAIN AND AGAIN...WOW!

THE MORE I LOOK AT THIS STUFF, THE MORE I BELIEVE HE WASNT A FRAUD...WITH INCREASED FAITH IN HIM TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT THIS TECHNOLOGY, MORE ANSWERS ARE POSSIBLE....

FAITH GIVES US THE ABILITY TO SEE BEYOND THE MINDSET THAT WOULD HAVE GIVEN UP A LONG TIME AGO...

Hi TRON,



When a cap (WFC, tapered res. Cavity) is SERIES linked to (a) coil(s), then the voltage ACROSS the CAP can exceed all limits at (near) resonance. The current thru the res. circuit and inside the res. circuit is all the same and normally moderate. Z = R (no Xc, no Xl) (of circuit). And so: input current = inside current = output current ~ 1/R.
But only in series resonant curcuit the voltage ACROSS the CAP can go very, very high. The moderate current thru the cap is out of phase with the high voltage across cap. Current into cap leads 90° before voltage across cap.
Current into coil lags 90° behind voltage across coil.

When a cap (WFC, tapered res. Cavity) is PARALLEL to a coil, then the current INTO the CAP can exceed all limits at resonance. The voltage across the whole circuit and the voltage across the coil and the voltage across the cap is all the same whatever its hight is.
But only INSIDE a parallel resonant curcuit the current INTO the coil and INTO the cap can go very, very high. The high current thru the cap is out of phase with the moderate voltage across cap.

I dont know what the vic is, maybe its a series resonant circuit (from the WFC's view), inside a parallel resonant circuit.

But I know what the difference series - parallel is.

Armageddon (I believe) did a very goog video to that stuff.

Regards
magnetO


Additional:
Of course, is in series resonant circuits (at/near resonance) the voltage thruout the WHOLE circuit a minimum, and maximum current goes thru it, but the voltage AT CAP (and coil) can increase very high.

Exactly, gives a parallel resonant circuit (at/near resonance) the highest Resistance (and therefore lowest current) thruout the WHOLE circuit, but the current THRU CAP (and coil) can increase very high.

When I said this:
Stan was for sure applying maybe 2 or even 40kv using 1 ma/h but after 1 second working at for saying on my design 500khz you have 500000*60sec*60min= 1800000000 pulses in one hour right ok if you have 1mA / 1800000000 you have 5E-13 amps per pulse ok so if you apply 500khz for an infinite Q circuit you would have 5E-13 amps * 500khz^500000. Now you know how to calculate a duty cycle for controlling this. If you have about 5000 Q you have 5E-13*500000^5000 band width would be 100 Hz +-

I calculated the amount of amps per pulses for than calculating the recirculating current in one second or whatever you want.

For better understanding in one hour working with 500khz you have 1.800.000.000 pulses than I divided the 1 mili ampere hour consumption that meyer used than you have the amount of amps for every pulse this way you can calculate in one second what is the recirculating current inside the circuit. so if you have two inductors of 10uH with 6miliohm resistance and a 10nF capacitor you have a Q greater than 5000 a bandwidth of+- 100hz.

So recirculating current in one second is = +- amps per pulse * frequency of operation elevated to the Q value.
Because every pulse you ad you have the previous pulse already recirculating and adding. Is based on relativity theory. But for telling you the true this calculation is a prediction i'm realy not sure of the formula but i think is kind of this check i you want. The greater the frequency the greater the number of recirculation cycles so the bigger the amount of water transformed.
Stanley said if you need higher rates of h2 production you need bigger plates and far from each other because capacitance reduce its value when distance of the plates are greater this way you have higher frequency operation.

I remember you, you need to have a path for current recirculate 360°. So you need 2 inductors two diodes and 2 or 3 capacitors

Oh you know why it is a series circuit and not a parallel circuit ????
Because of the diode
If you put a coil in parallel with the wfc like stanley described once just to confuse you tron with a diode in there between you don't have a parallel circuit because it is half wave rectification but if you ad another capacitor and inductor and diode you have a full wave resonance in series i mean the current need a place to go when it become negative you just need to create the path for it to go and it will really resonate. Resonance on simulation don't seem to be very difficult to maintain if you have a high Q too. Even if you apply a frequency different from resonant frequency thats why i find it so dangerous. My inventor friend once exploded a laboratory doing the first test. So Please don't think you are going to have that tiny bubbles you see on normal electrolysis. be Careful.

Tron i have a question to you do you have ever read meyer words saying it was parallel resonance? I'm quite sure to have read all of his papers and 1000's times and didn't find anything about it. I know you may have read about parallel resonance that tell you need high inductor resistance and you have no amperage and just high voltage. I'm sure meyer made this to confuse people and because of that you are making your statements.

Again i remember you Vic was there only as a way to drive this resonant circuit I'm referring to, with dc pulses.

I repeat to you guys if you want believe do so if you don't want you don't need to, i'm sure you have read so many times ravi, dave, or anyone who lied saying many bull**** about this technology trying to fool you or even sell you units that just don't work because of their ignorance and need for money. Is hard to believe that now one comes and tell you the true right? anyway i did it because i'm convinced that this way i protected myself.

I'm waiting for some pieces to finish my unit and do my real test, until that, i cant tell you anything different that what i told you until now at least on this thread and few i linked to on my posts. If you want i can send you my pll design assembled or the plans but it will not be very cheep but it is great, i took many months to figure it out and as i need money for my project i can sell and not give it away unfortunately anyway is not impossible to understand and recreate it but it takes time and I'm saying this not because I'm bad guy is just because it costed me lot of money to research about this and no one helped me when i needed. Anyway just to tell you how people are. I can say in the last 3 years I spent more than 15.000 euros until now with no live costs like house rent bills... and I don't even have a car... hope you understand my point, If you help me i'm going to be very happy to help you.

Anyway i gave you all the rules for it to work if you read very well my posts you are going to understand and be able to do it so good luck guys and next week i come with the good news.
good luck to every one.

I knew that was your aim to take over my little thread, in saying follow your rules when I have already set the rules of Stanley Meyer's technology in this thread. As far as I am concerned I am done with Stanley Meyer's technology, all that is left for me to do is build it.

So it is like this; The technology of a wheel was lost and I redecovered it, and now your trying to tell me how it works. Get real! The one thing I don't need is someone telling me how it works when I already know how it all works!

I ask you nicely to make your own thread so you can post your technology and talk about it with others that are interested in what you are doing. But as far as in this thread, Stanley Meyer's technology is all out in the open for everone to have, all they have to do is build it, same as I am doing. Do you get me, IT IS DONE! If you follow my lead you will have a working model. Mostly all I do is help everyone to understand it better so they will feel the need to build and test things out for themselves. But are far as you trying to put your rules in a thread that is not your own that is a site deal breaker.

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For as far as I am conerned you have set up a situation that will upset me by posting your rules in my thread. Which is why I ask you to make your own thread in the first place for the one thing I can do very well is read people and their intensions. Now I ask you to ease your rules from this thread and put them up in your own thread. For you have broken the forums rules.


h2opower.

Not really for now we have two sets of rules to the same technology that do not agree with one another and that will confuse anyone who reads them. I went through all of my explainations trying to follow known science all the way. I am not sure how you did yours, and I will read your explaination in your own thread. But again as far as I am concerned I am done with Stanley Meyer's water for fuel technology. I am in the process of building everything and converting a car to run on water right now, as are many others. I am not alone in all of this for someone out there might beat me in becoming energy independent. I started moving forwards after all the math was done about 7-8 months ago. Since I am not rich getting things designed and built take time plus I work at my own pace. I have went as far as to show my version of a Gas Processor, but I have seen many others some that I really like, but I don't think I could make them, plus I will stick to my design for it is after all what I came up with.

So if you would please not confuse people that read this thread by removing your information to your own thread and put up a permlink so anyone wanting to read it can do so, thanks.


h2opower.

Thanks h2opower!

Your time and effort in this endevor is self evident. Thanks again for all your hard work and your willingness to share it with others.

Sebosfato - i think that h2opower is right and we need to respect that. You are moore then welcome to creat your own tread, but it is important to not mix two different ways to do it. Not everyone understands electronics like you, TRON and h2opower does. I´v seen different ideas about this and still after what i believe was the last input of understanding done by TRON, you´r persistency to be different is distructive behavior and bad for this tread.

IF you (means anyone) dont agree whit this tread, stay out of it or just use a few words to say why it is so and in case you realy need to develop your reason do so in you own tread and link that so everyone can follow and participate, but this tread has so fare covered it.

So this goes to everyone - dont mess it up, for we are so close now!

Yip I have to agree with H2O

I was getting a bit confusing with all the coments flying around.
My little head os stil spinning !

Just keep to the thread and priciples H2O have laid down thats all If you differ then start a thread on your own we dont want politics here just pure brotherhood and helping each other please no egos look at formula one what happens if strong personalatys dont give in.

[ATTACH]pq 1 - Sheet1.pdf[/ATTACH]

Here is some drawing I have done I am bussy to machine some parts though I have to do things as time is available and money.

I really believe this is going to work there is some work still left almost there.
the VIC is still a mystery to me but I will get there.
H2o after explaining why the LED had to pulse out of sequence with the puls train further up the thread helped allot thanks!

You are allowed to critisize mydesign ha ha I am just a amature.
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Detailed GG cut view - Sheet1.pdf (191.3 KB, 55 views)

How much space do you have between your voltage zones? The design looks great, almost like a final prototype. I wonder if I should show my design or would just lead to mass copying and even more questions for the copicats will have no idea of why I did things the way I did. One day perhaps when I start seeing more designs to let me know people are using their own creativeaty. For there many different ways to do this and in this thread I have talked about three different ways it can be done each having verying levels of risk that go along with them.

Keep up the great work for in the end you will free yourself from the energy enslavement game.

H2opower.

How's the assemble of the GP going? ... i'm curious about the mock up for the LED's and such.

What if we use a "mass spectrum photovoltaic light source" (just a name) as our light source [meaning; one lightbulb that gives off something like 200nm-700nm mounted beneath the GP] that use fiberoptic's as the lead and a lens to spread the light instead of LED's in the GP? This whould give us almoste all the needed wavelength at every lightsource...

Just one approche on it - never mind the cost, just the idea!

I am still trying to grasp the laymans meaning of most of H20Power's revelations. But I have been thinking of trying something like what you mentioned here. Instead of duplicating the original Meyers design (with the use of large quantities of LEDs poked thru the sides of the wall; as I have admired in the many beautiful drawing and pictures) If we were able to use something like this....

... and in the interest of K.I.S.S. & Economics use one each of the preferred LED wave lengths "shining" (if you will) on one stick. Then conducted by way of fiber optic cable to another or multiple light sticks on the inside of the GP and cut costs while bombarding the molecules at as many wave lengths as is possible.

But again I am way behind you guys on all of these plans.

Here is where I found these Light Sticks.
Fiber Optic Landscaping
Good Luck!

Netzerite

First of all, the ones you linked to are too long, but you´r on the right track so to say. If you look at the image i provide her, that is what i am looking for;

We need to change the design, but this is one shows what i am looking at. Of curse the solution needs to be changed/addapted to our project. You need an 90 degree coupling and a lens to spread the light inside the GP.. one of the reasons for me looking at a solution such as this one is becous it whould be simpler to control an replace one light source instead of maby 50!

Here's one exempel of light source. This unit's range is 400nm to 700nm (mercury-xenon) and it only consumes 150W/h.
UV Spot Light Source, Hamamatsu
But i'm sure that we can finde a better one, even 200nm - 700nm. That sould cover it i believe

I´v added an image that shows the ide better.

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These look very nice!

Thank You!

Be sure to check out the other items in this web site as well.
They are very diverse.

Fiber Optic Products

Fixtures



Netzerite

The illustartion i added ONLY works for a WFC + GP setup, the HGG - i have ideas for that one to, but it´s a complitly different setup

Nice!

What do you use for illustrations?

Netzerite

It's a simple image i made in Photoshop CS3, nothing advanced, just to show the idéa, that´s all - this is not by any mean a construction image.