You can use any core a toroidal core or EI EE types are little better, the important thing is that the windings must be coherent with the current flux. You must know that current flows from the negative side to the positive side. I like to think about voltage as a Vacuum rather than pressure. So you must wind it all in the same direction and than observe the current flux and make the right connection. The impedance network figure on Stanley meyer papers are right. You must try invert the polarity of the primary to see if witch is the right side any way the right way is to leave the diode in open configuration during the pulse. You find my drawings here help Feedback winding for resonance with pll 4046 - Electronic Circuits Projects Diagrams Free The second post.

This transformer must be used with the resonant circuit http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/files/T...%20and%20D.pdf

Look at the first schematic on this pdf and you are going to understand why you are not able to resonate the water fuel cell with only one diode.

You actually need 3, one on the vic transformer between the charging chokes and another two connected to at least 2 water capacitor cells. The ground must be shared and between the to cells and you need two coils with thick wire to resonate. i'm trying to buy Sm cobalt magnets for my project to see what happens but they cost +-2500 euros for my two cells i'm trying to find best prices ;( Hope someone want to help my project.

Look for ferroresonance and core saturation.

I'm constructing it yet but i was thinking... i believe it will not work with very low power because you need to build up enough current recirculation to create a very high voltage to be able to ionize the water instantaneously to be able to it self-sustain the oscillation. Like negative resistance.

Hope that helps friends

We are all doing the best we can and at a speeding rate. I added the documents so that new information can be found whit in the radiant energy field/cold electrisety. So together whit the VIC, EEC, HGG and GP - we should be abble to put this thing together and make it work. I believe that it is only a question of when, not if.

Now - there is still much to do, but we are getting there. And by the way, thanks TRON nice explanation there.

The one thing that we need to work on is the frequency for the oxygen atom. Of curse one can use a wide range diod - but that whould allsow be the same as shooting in det dark whit a minigun... so we need to get the right key there, i belive that the knowledge exists already.. it might be in several steps, how knows! I hope that my article did some for that research. Anyone???

I have yet not build any of these devices - only a brute force unit - it produced 1/2 a liter whitin 5 min, but that was just for fun and what a BOOM the gas (and clorine gas, a byproduct of the bruteforce) made... LOL

I´m just about to order some Super Corona Dope for the WFC as the voltage inhibiter, much cheaper than Delrin and practical at this stage and by the way, here´s another articel i did about Delrin and how that was discovery, that Meyer used it - enoy!

David Wenbert on Water Fuel Cells and Overunity Similarities

The gap is important in a ferrite core less than it is on a steel laminated core. The gap stops the lines of flux from making a complete cycle around the core, this helps with reducing the saturation of the core with magnetic flux lines and allows more power for a specific core. Without the gaps the steel core becomes saturated and useless at a much lower frequency.

Gaps are filled with paper in most transformers.

Because of the TRI COIL design with the chokes on the inside ( and because they are also considered part of the physical core {magnetic iron} they help with saturation limits...) the primary outside of those and the secondary outside of the others...an EE core or EI core will allow more magnetic flux lines to cross the windings of the secondary coil, simply a better design than a rod core. I dont think the lines of flux around a rod core can even make it out that far ! (to the secondary...)

Consider this the pulse from the primary, goes thru the secondary, then thru both chokes at the same time at a higher voltage and lower amperage, and the pulse from the chokes imposed on the core affects the secondary again..then the reverse pulse .then the next primary pulse starts all over again ! A Very exotic transformer design... I wish a transformer company engineer who makes transformers for a living could show us what actually happens inside this amazing little gem... Stan was a Genius ahead of his time... obviously guided by a higher power!

Hi did you read my last post ? what do you think?
Vic is not very linear transformer it can put out almost square waves.
Have a read about ferroresonance. will help you

Please realize that you can apply all the formulas you want to this tri coil, but none will give the real understanding because none of the standard models use IRON MAGNET WIRE!

The chokes are current limiters AND Magnetic FLUX AMPLIFIERS at the SAME TIME !
I dont know anyone over the last 3 years that could explain what is happening inside the VIC during a single pulse....because all the science is based on copper wire coils... and copper wire is not MAGNETIC and does NOT become PART OF THE STEEL CORE !

There are some differences using the ferritic wire ok but what happens on the vic you find on the link i posted on the post.
Any way what do you understand when i say you need at least 2 diodes? did you saw the first schematic of the pdf link?

I read that it will lower the inductance if the core is gapped. Thats not really what we want , is it? Don't we want high inductance? But it could be made up with more turns, Providing you have the room for it on the core. I have no idea how many more turns it would take to make up for the loss from the gap.

I think is not important the inductance because it will operate in its saturating limit to give you almost square waves, when it saturate you have a lower inductance. Thats why meyer used his variac this way he applied the frequency and just goes up with the voltage until it saturate this way he had a high impedance output to drive his resonant circuit.

I'm going to explain you the best i can ok.

Primary 200 turns secondary 600 turns diode and two 100 bifilar wound charging chokes. The charging chokes are able to give this transformer a factor of voltage multiplication of at least 100. I mean you put 12v you get more than 1300 volts you put 100volts you have 10kv ... this transformer is used to drive what is the real resonant circuit witch correspond to the capacitors the diodes and the 2 resonant coils i will explain this better.
Two coils connected in series on the center tap you put the negative plate of the two capacitors and between the other positive plates and its respective ends of the coils you connect the diodes. The vic is than connected between the ground and the positive side of one capacitor. This way it resonates the positive pulse on one capacitor and negative on the other and this way you are able to build up high current witch will than translate into a high voltage dc between the plates, the distilled or as pure as possible water is better because with lower amp you get more voltage as voltage is = to resistance x amperage right. Once you have very high voltage it will ionize the water automatically and after this point power consume is very low and it self sustain the oscillation. you may have noted the thick wire coil stanley showed on his papers figure 10-4 dual layered multi spool, showing the I core configuration with the stages. It denomination is Resonant charging choke you don't see any diode because the ends of the thick coil is not shown and the connections goes straight to the gap from the vic. but the big coil is connected the way i said respecting the current sense. Meyer have being very intelligent he didn't gave you the gold on hand but he knew someday someone could understand his drawings.
Hope thats clear enough.

The gas processor is an advance because is much easier to ionize using this system the oxygen from the air to use as source of the electrons to self sustain the operation than to extract electrons from the water to do this.

Thats why he used 40 amps 600v diodes the pulses he was applying was no more than 600v because of water impedaces. A good diode is 70hflr60s02. The fastest i could find here. I bough 2 for 18 euros. Wire thick 4mm with insulation.
If you consider to try to construct this device for your self you are going to spent a lot of money more than 8000 dollars for sure and probably not be able to make it work. you need equipment ... 10k would be a starting point. I already spent more than this... I need to buy the magnets for my design because i want to use magnetic pulses to do the job too so if you want to join forces for now we need +-2000 euros to buy 14 magnets. The rest is almost ready. The magnets serves to reduce the inductance i'm going to use radio frequencies.
I think when there are good ideas to try one could try and all have the result no? In my case i'm researching this everyday since 3 years ago. And that is what i came out with until now.

Thats all Folks
Now you know how it resonates.

Wow! Those things are blinding.

That gap in the core is to prevent Eddy Currents: National High Magnetic Field Laboratory Slideshow: Eddy Currents and Lenz's Law
YouTube - Eddy Current Tubes
A-level Physics (Advancing Physics)/Transformers - Wikibooks, collection of open-content textbooks

The gap is cutting the magnetic flow in the core as to try and decrease the heat losses of the transformer due to eddy currents.


h2opower.

I don't know where he is getting all of his stuff but the VIC transformer cost no where near those amounts, the whole set(conversion from gasoline to water as a fuel source) up should cost no more than $1500-$2500 USD. Remember Stanley Meyer was going to charge $1500 USD for the conversion from gasoline to water. Now in my cost I also include the cost of the car for the project and my total is somewhere around $2300 USD with the test car though I do have to add everything up but that is close to how much I have spent thus far.

But really the question you ask is not the right type for this is a question of your freedom, how much is your freedom worth? For that is what is at stake here, your freedom in the form of energy independence. How much are you willing to pay for your freedom? For once you pay it you are free, free to drive anywhere you so desire, and leave all of your lights on in your home while your away for it's now free to do so. You will be incontrol of your power production not the grid system connected to the power plants powered by the energy sellers. You will be free of any and all forms of energy being sold on the market today. Your coal usage will only be in the form of a BBQ, and your oil use will be only to lubricate your engine, transmissions,..., ect, and note they wont have anymore carbon build up, the primary source of engine failure. This is what it is all about, freedom, true freedom.

Best wishes to all,

h2opower.

H20power,
Do you think its possible to use the gapped core?
After watching the slide show, I'm thinking a gapped core wouldn't be good.

Use the gaped core for we don't want eddy currents, eddy currents cause the transformer to lose energy in the form of heat, and is concidered an energy loss.

Hope that helps,

h2opower.

sebosfato,
I don't know where your getting these prices from. They are way high. I will build a VIC myself and not spend much money. Your saying 10k for a VIC? Are you serious? All it is, is wire, a core and some bobbins.

You manage to hit the nail on it´s head ho2power - that has become my main task over these years. I started it all based upon that idea - freedom & independens. Now, during my time infront of my computer and text books i discovered John Bedini, Nicola Tesla, Tom Bearden, Peter Lindemann, now what these indiviuals did was to show me that i was deceived, demorolaised and reduced to a fool simply becose no one was ever goping to tell me the truth or show it to me - this was and still are ones own taskt do discover - i think we all know this by now and the reason why. The corporate world and oh yes GREED. YES i am planing a Bedini SG similar system as one power source in my car, but that is another discustion.

So the answer to your question; what is the price for my freedom? - that is everything i can afford - meaning my time and money and in the end (to be dramatic) my life - but i choose to live my life, so for that reason i am going to pay what i can.

Now, a reasonable and plausible amount/cost for this system should be whitin an area of $1500 - 3000,- so i dont understand why sebosfato have spent nearly $8000,- dollars on it. After all, moste of the construction has been covered, there alsow exist "of the self" parts like the VIC circuit wich are based upon the original and should work. Now that last part, as a matter of fact i whould like to get that examined further by you people - to get it verified or close to that. So i am going to put up some information about that soon in an attempt to actually get even closer to a fhinised system... and i hop that is allright? (new post)
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Now, there is another question that i whis to raise and that is The E.V Grey Conversion Tube and circuit - The reason for this and yes íknow that this is not a tread to discuse that invention or knowledge. The first reason for this is Meyer´s own word that one can find in one sentence; Radient Event and of curse a simple expleantion done by Aaron Murakami and i hearby quote:

There are voltage potential impulses going to the tubes whit almoste no current causing a massive amount of gas to be produced from simple tap water that dosen´t even have any added electrolytes. The water cell stays cold. The secret is to hit the tubes or plates whit high voltage electrostatic potential while preventing any current from cunducting. The electrostatic stress on the water causes the oxygen to become more negativly charged and the hydrogen to become more positively charged. Therefor, the oxygen repels the bonding electron and the hydrogn attracts the bonding ellectron. This overcomes the covalant and electrostatic attraction strength of the bonding and causes the the atoms in the water molecule to fall apart whitout any current moving throught the water. For the fundamental concept behind Meyer´s technology see US Patent 4427512 by Tay-Hee Han, "Water decomposition method and device by using ionization by collision." Also, all the mystery about Meyer´s secret resonance simply means that the circuit needs to be in resonance so that there is a standing wave of high voltage potential at the plates or tubes: Whit the developments of Bedini´s technology, I belive that for the first time, we could probably produce water gas whit NEGATVE ENERGY whit the highest amount of production for minimum amaount if input by the operator. This is not electrolysis whit straight electron current, but rather voltage potential produced water. Therefor, Faraday´s Law of Electrolysis is absolutely irrelevant. We need Longitudinal waves allsow but i think we allready know that right?

(Hope this was okey Aaron?)

To be honest, These words by Aaron was only a confermation that i was on the right track, aspecially after reading the documents (4) that i added earlier. The question is if a Grey system should be added OR The Bedini SG and allow that to be the energy.. i do not know why i am asking this, maybe to get some attention on it, not necessarily a long discustion.

(Will get right on finding the parts that i was talking about earlier)

Guys don't fool your selves thinking you can do it without an oscilloscope a LCR meter, good multimeters, probes... I said 14 samarium cobalt permanent magnets i need cost more than 2000 euros...

Anyway I gave you the way to real get resonance if you are really interested you are going to understand what i wrote.

All I'm saying is that I already had to buy all the equipment and that i have knowledge to do that, is absurd that people burn them money on this research buying stainless steel wires... building transformers without know anything about how it works i started this way too but i saw is impossible to do it without knowing what are you doing. All I'm offering is to put our forces together and than share the results, this way useless tests don't need to be repeated. I already have more than 3 years of everyday research, a transformers manufacture that give me cores and wire... the all the needed parts from pll circuit meyer designed with the resonant scanning circuit, lock indicator and logic, gate, driver, feed back circuit, VIC...
I need to find a job and work for 4 months to buy the things i need, thats why i'm saying lets join our forces and i'm going to share the results of this test with who is interested. And it will be ready as soon as possible.

Hi Oneminde and everyone else that reads the threat,

In reading that quote I can see it is wrong. This is why so many have failed in their attempts at Stanley Meyer's WFC by not understanding what is going on. The WFC upsets the natrual equilibrium of water by elongating the water molecules then consuming the electron before it can snap back, that is why I said without the electron extraction circuit the WFC will not work. I have seen so many trying different things in the past that where all the way wrong, like pulsing the field of the rotor of an alternator, even in Stanley Meyer's own video he says he applied 5 volts and 2 amps of electrical energy to the field of the alternator. Once anyone takes the time to break down how an alternator makes it's voltage they will see that the VIC transformer is, for the most part, the same thing. The way the VIC transformer works is the same as the way and alternator works in that there are individual bobbin coils in both designs. In an alternator the magnetic field is moving cutting the individual coils as it does, in the VIC transformer the magnetic field is expanding and collapsing cutting through the bobbin cavities coils as it does. The net result of the way the two work is the same. I have never to this date seen anyone ever put the electron extraction circuit to the WFC thus why I have never seen anyone replicate that part of Stanley Meyer's technology.

The injectors work differently, they break the water down by treating the water as a dielectric, and work in the same manor as a Kelvin Genarator for the most part, but in this Kelvin Genarator you will not get much water in the bucket for the voltages are far too high and the water seemingly evaporates before it can hit the bucket, but hopefully if you have read and understand the information in my thread you know differently. This is why in some of Meyer's videos he stresses that water is a dielectric liquid for that very reason.

As for the use of samarium cobalt permanent magnets, I will not be using them and I expect no one else reading my thread should be using them. But since I am interested in what you might be trying could you make a new thread and tell what it is you are trying to do sebosfato and why do you need them?

In this thread for the most part I don't think I have left anything out in Stanley Meyer's water for fuel technology, and the one thing I stress is the all important "Mixture" needed for water combustion. You have to have this "Mixture," though it matters not how you go about getting the "Mixture," in your combustion chamber proir to spark or heat ignition. Energy independence is now yours for the taking.


h2opower.

On the ends of the two thick coils sits two high amp diode and one is connected in parallel with this first cell and the other is connected this same way but back to back to another cell as to allow resonance to happen and current to recirculate. As you have two cells each one having current in only one direction when you reach a determined amount of recirculating current you will have enough voltage to auto ionize the water recirculating the liberated electrons creating a chain reaction effect. One electron liberate 4 and than 16 ... always recirculating.

The magnets is needed because i have my resonating coils around my electrodes and with the magnets i can 1 already have a force on the water alining the molecules and 2 together with the coil it create a very high magnetic pulse. 3 it lower the inductance to a minimum allowing high frequency to be applied. Higher number of cycles higher the effect of the chain reaction.


In the future i want to create a new thread when i have it working.
now i'm just trying to find some money for the magnets as the rest is almost ready. I thought if any of you want the meyer pll design with the resonant scanning circuit, and feedback, driver and mosfet. you can ask me to build one for you this way you can help a lot my project. Or if you want a vic or anything, transformers i can do also.

News soon hope you understood the current recirculation thing. if you go to this link you can find easy to understand diagrams and information

http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/files/T...%20and%20D.pdf

Peace

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I think that i need to go over the tread ones more and take notice - there must be something i´m missing.

I do know that there is a difference between the WFC and HGG and that this tread was created to explain the HGG & GP.. i undertsand that, but what i dont undertstand is why negative electrisety doesent work in the WFC.

Let me ask you this question; Is Meyer´s own statement on 40.000V - 42,8Khz reconans and 0,5A wrong? (WFC only)

I understand that the GP is necessary to raise the energy content... there is more to understand in this for me.

Where did you get that quote? Stanley Meyer never said 42.8k Hz he always gave a range like from 5k-50k Hz or higher if needed. I myself am tuning everything to 50k Hz for both the Gas Processor and the modified injectors.

Did you all understand the importance of the "Mixture?" The "Mixture" is comprized of primed air gases and atomized water mist that has been given a very high image charge to the point of shorting out the micro capacitors created by passing the water though the voltage zone, as the surface area decreases due to evaporation and over voltage the micro capacitors short out as the air breakdown voltage is reached. The recirculated exhaust gases are to slow the burn rate of the resulting reaction of the "Mixture," and to make sure you don't have a melt down in the combustion chamber.

Most of what I just wrote can be found in the Canadian patent for the fuel injectors. For if you don't get the mixture your not doing it like Stanley Meyers did. Sure it may work but don't expect me to have any imput to how things may play out for you. For the one thing I do know is there is more than just Stanley Meyer's way to run an engine off of water. But like the title says, "Stanley Meyer Explained," not anyone elses. Though I understand how some of the others work I will not go into it, for I think this is the best way by far and why should I for they are still living.

Happy building everyone,

h2opower.

Every same words.. nobody that it has made to see nothing! You will not find no investor that she will give money without to see that your ideas have a foundation. A small prototype is necessary or you have the money in order to make your plan independently. However this is my new cell, on it I have apply in part Meyer concept only in destabilization module named "E" in my posted diagram. The cell use new design called serie cell and water is mineral water without addition of KOH or other electrolyte.

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Is this a bi-polar dry plate construction? For what i see there is 1 anod & 1 katod whit 6 neutral plates, is that correct?

Nice work

To be honest i do believe that the qoute about 42.8KHz actually commes from another researcher, i do not remember he´s name for it was a long time ago i read about that. But he clames that when he hit the water whit this frequensy (somthing close to 42.780-42.798 Hz) the water exploded and made a hole in he´s roof in he´s lab.. so he concluded that this was the reconance frequensy of water.
If it is important that i find this researcher name i will look into it, otherwise i´ll aks for forgiveness that i mixed Meyer and this person. But it is true that Meyer said he used 40kV & 0.5Amp for the WFC!

This cell is composed from 15 plates, powered to 28Vdc and use new internal design concept.. not dry cell OR anything that you have seen on market.. cell is sealed and water is injected to pressure with a electric pump. Internal plates are in serie,the water can go only to one direction and each plate is separate from others. This cell is for produce hho for power with success an scooter 50cc. I have build this new cell for resolve problem of old white cell that you can see from photos. For obtain 28Vdc I use an dc/dc converter and PWM. As you can see I have modify others parts presents on scooter and I have design new ignition support and new miscelator/injector for hho

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Is this a booster variantion or are you running the engine on this device only?
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Now to somthing ells i whant to confront everyone here whit. When we look at the VIC i sometime ago "stumbled" upon an explenation done by Peter Lindemann. And it is he´s explenation i whould like someone (H2OPower) to comment. If you´v not seen this video, here´s a link - be sure to watch it.

Take notice here that this question and Peter´s explenation ONLY confronts the VIC, note the GP which H2OPower have explained. I do not oppose in that debate at all - this is the VIC only.

My reason for this is my limited knowledge on the vic circuit so far.

Peter Lindemann about Stanley Meyers patent

[quote=Oneminde;57728]Is this a booster variantion or are you running the engine on this device only?
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Scooter is bifuel.. gasoline OR hho 100%.. you can switch simply with an click..

So what you are telling me is that you can run on 100% water if it is available? Do you plan to only use water to run your scooter? and are you using any electrolyt and in so case what type?

Are you willing to share your cell design so others can replicate it?

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Here is another question that i am working on to solve and that is the difference between the VIC & the PWM. Is there anyone that can explain this in simple terms?
I hope that i´m not repeating a discustion here

:Now the VIC transformer creates its high voltages by way of reactive capacitance, XC1 • XC2 • XC3,…, • XC42. These type of transformer do not make their high voltages like a typical step-up transformer does. All of the bobbin cavities have to match in inductance with the primary coil’s inductance for the desired frequency the user is aiming for. This way makes sure that all coils hit resonance at the same time. Since the primary has the strongest magnetic field it leads the way for all other magnetic fields to add to its magnetic field strength.

The blocking diode stops the collapsing magnetic field from sending the voltage back to the secondary coil. It also doubles the voltage in the capacitor to that of the supply voltage from the secondary. The chokes limit current magnetically and also act as voltage multipliers the same way the secondary coil do. They also double the frequencies to the capacitors so what every frequency you are planning for make sure to cut that in half with designing your transformers. The current is out of phase by about 90 degrees lag time behind the voltage and that further limits the current flow so there is no arcing between voltage zones. As a result there is almost no signal degradation to the voltage zones.

The VIC intensifies the voltage, as it implies. The PWM is just a pulsed DC source.

Thank´s, i´ll study it further, but that helped allot so many thank´s
Now, did you see the video whit Peter Lindemann, i for one think that is interesting and follows a path i working on. It is differnt from using VIC but it implies the same results (in my mind) - do you pmazz850 see any imidiet problems in the usage of this method and in that case wich ones whould you say is? and in case not, why?

Many thank´s to everyone contributing