I get the kelvin generator and that is why in an earlier post i made reference to how a magnet preforms work. I don't quite get the Taylor cone but have not studied it. Is a a voltage the orifice? I'll watch the long video tonight. your other link for the water engine is not Albert Bowe but I have seen some about him in the past.

That's great,
On understanding a Taylor cone you have to read quite a bit: http://www.nicast.com/index.aspx?id=2910 notice in the artical the counter electrode, in our case, is the air itself. The inventor is Geoffrey Ingram Taylor. But I trust you can do the nesasary research on your own, for you have shown me new things in the past .

Oh, can you tell me who the technology belongs too, if not Albert Bowe? I had the patent but lost it in a computer attack.


h2opower.

I think you misunderstood. The links you provided took me to the fox news interview with Denny Cline for the H2000. I think you just linked the wrong video. it was not about Albert Bowe. I'll start looking into the Taylor cone tomorrow as I'm still trying to get through the Sacred Living Geometry film you linked. My son keeps interrupting.

Thanks for the correction I fixed the problems

Hey I tried to build a tylor cone but it did not work
mabe my voltage was too small had about 3kv

I'll try harder

I have half my spares for the gas gun but here in South Africa things are realy expensive but I'll push on I just wish I can have some breakthrough everything I build flops ha ha

Hope you guys have better luck

Digits

From what I understand we need to use a negetive ion genarator with an voltage output of 20k-90k with water using the Taylor cone method. The Kelvin genarator method uses less voltage for it's positive.

The Spectroscopy Net

Light-emitting Diode (LED)

LOL this should have been apparent with your lightning analogy

Hello all, I am happy to see a Meyer's thread on the forum that contains a thread of hope

I would like to share a recent "ah hah" moment I had. I will try and keep it concise and clear...limiting it to these 3 KEY points

1. VOLTAGE does the work.

2. EEC is NEEDED...Straight from Stan's mouth, "I then HAD to create the Electron Extraction Circuit".

3. I have met an investor in Meyer's dealership....and the only thing of value I got was this statement "Did you know about his generator?...He would make the gas and had it in a tube....he said it was magnetic."

There is much MUCH more that needs to be understood, but, these three points should be enough for me to explain how I see it working.

As pointed out in this thread by H2OPower that that water needs to become many small capacitors...Well, the very atomic structure fulfills this requisite, the hydrogen is a positive half and the oxygen takes on an equal negative charge. So relatively pure or clean water will best best.

What if...You took two plates COMPLETELY INSULATED and put them into the water, what if you then took two plates (or mesh screens would be better) and placed them close to the two INSULATED plates....So you have one closer to the + and one closer to the -. Now what if you applied High Voltage DC to these two insulated plates? Wouldn't the plate/screen next to the + become a -?...and the one next to the - become +? So we would have a series capacitive effect of +/-/+/- (simplified) during the On or "Resonant" phase. If we then disconnect the High Voltage power, the plates/screens will retain a high voltage charge. It is here when the BIPOLARITY of H20 is exploited. The water molecules themselves are likewise polarized and energized with "condensed" Voltage Potentials. It should now be possible to siphon off some of the stored charge (Electron Extraction Circuit). The two outer plates, being COMPLETELY INSULATED means that the majority of the charge is never used up/destroyed...yet the uninsulated screens allow molecular/electron "interaction". We can use the IMAGE charge or "phenomena of polarization" to apply an opposite charge to the two opposing screens and MOST IMPORTANTLY...THE SURROUNDING WATER. So it works like this...Resonant "Pulse Train" charges the subsequent "WATER CAPACITOR" system to full charge....The resonant "Pulse train" is then "Gated" or stopped....During this off time A COMPLETELY SEPARATE circuit (attached to the uninsulated inner screens -/+) turns on an appropriate "Drain" load....LEDs, etc. This creates a chain reaction on a molecular level of migrated electrons and protons (or whatever the positive flow/aspect is). In doing so, gaseous release of H and O occurs and they NEVER HAVE A CHANCE TO EQUALIZE BACK so they are off balanced and have a net charge because the electron flow was entirely MIRRORED...being from within the WATER CAPACITOR, from the water molecules.

Now if you have any chance replicating Stanley Meyer you should see why the 3 Key points are as significant as they are.

1. VOLTAGE DOES THE WORK (The primary power source only needs to furnish enough energy to create the adequate density of High Voltage to fill your specific Water Capacitor...which can be done very efficiently)

2. ELECTRON EXTRACTION CIRCUIT (EEC) is NEEDED (The "Meyer Effect" is the "re-direction of implied molecular charge(s)"...meaning we "Induce" an opposite charge across a water gap (and across water molecules themselves) ultimately to COMPLETELY ISOLATED electrodes/capacitor plate pickups...we then discharge the accumulated charge into an electronically isolated circuit/load to re-direct/time-alter the bonding covalent charges, releasing ionic or charged gasses.

3. Investor saying "Did you know about his generator?...He would make the gas and had it in a tube....he said it was magnetic." (This first hand observation that the gas was magnetic hints at the fact that the resulting gas was in a charged or ionic state, for, magnetism and "charge" go hand in hand.


I hope that makes sense...

Thanks you two. Very well done

Now when talking about micro-capacitors I am talking about the injectors. The WFC is yet a different way to break the bonds of the water molecule. Meyer shows a pick of the water molecule being elongated for a reason, for in the very next instant the electron extraction circuit is turned on comsuming some of the electrons. This causes the equilibrium of the water to be unbalanced and the water corrects this unbalance by releasing hho. Then on the next pulse it does this all over again. If you don't have the electron extraction circuit hooked up the water molecule will relax back to the state it started off in before the pulse train hit it. This system has to be isolated for if you put a ground in there, when the EEC comes on you will get standerd Dr. Faraday type electrolysis for the positive will sense the ground.

The injectors work a bit differently in that the properties of water are used to break it down. That is why Stanley Meyer says, "using the properties of water...." The main thing that has to be done is atomizing the water and putting an image charge on it. That creates the micro-capacitors from the water molecules due to their polar nature and the fact that water is a dielectric liquid. Then you must make it so the evaporation time of water is less than the relaxation time of waters ability to carry a charge. This process also aids in mixing for the atomized water miro-capacitors have the same charge on them and repel from each other. The high voltage image charge makes the water droplets split into smaller and smaller droplets aiding in the evaporation process as it is mixing with the ionized air gases from the Gas Processor.

I hope that adds a little more clarity for you don't want to mix up the two ways Meyer used to break down the water molecule. It sure looks like this is going to be the year of change indeed


h2opower.

What exactly do you mean blocked? Blocked from manufacturing it? And by who? And what is it? Looks like some sort of see through cylinder. For the gas processor?

if you read or look over stan's patent, you will see what it is. it is a part of the gas processor. on a short note, your assumptions are correct. blocked in manufacturing, yes, but not the cylinder. the process by which to create a conducting interior surface and remain transparent to allow pre-selected specific wavelengths of light to pass through.

Yes, it was blocked from manufacturing for it needed a transparent conductive coating on the inside surface of the tube and no company in the whole US will do it. If you find any company that can put a truly conductive coating 30ohms/sq or lower tell me.

HI H20POWER..
I think is present in this thread some confusion .. you refer sometime to Albert Bowe's technology but concept of this engine is different from Meyer system. I reassume it fastly .. In fact Albert Engine use ONLY hot vapour, vacuum inside engine and only HV field. Not air charged positively with electrons strip, not water charged negatively, not photons. Please explain me this because in mymind I have some confusion.. There are some ways for reach the success??? Regards to All

Is this intended as the out side tube? What would stop from switching the tubes polarities?

I think he was explaining that the GP can transcend into other tec. not just Stan's tec.

The reason I compare it to Albert Bowes work is Stanley Meyer also used the properties of water to aid in it's own breakdown. The Steam Resonator heats up the water before it was injected into the engine for the same reasons Albert did. And remember Stanley Meyer said in his patents that the mixture was not flamable until the ionized gases where mixed with the atomized water mist. That indicates to me that the ionized gases do have the nesasary energy to break down the water molecule, just as I did in the math I posted. The numbers I gave assume that the ionized gases have to break the water down, for that is a worste case posibility, and it still has more energy than gasoline .

Gas law science still applies to what we are doing. The main difference is the amount of water that will be needed from the two mens systems. Albert Bowes will need far more water and have far less power output than Stanley Meyers, but the GP can be used on Alberts system to improove apon his technology greatly, wouldn't you say? For we all should know by now that without the Gas Processor you need massive amounts of water to do the same work gasoline does. Albert Bowes is working with a diesel engine conversions, and Stanley Meyers is working with spark ignition systems for the most part. But you should see the value of adding in the Gas Processor to Albert's work without being shown or told why at this point.


h2opower.

Today lesson is interested You wrote "the mixture was not flamable until the ionized gases where mixed with the atomized water mist" .. This step isn't clear... when air/water charged are mixed this mixture is flammable as gasoline or when are mixed hydrogen biatomic is released?? And HV field is used ONLY for transform H2 in H1? Regards

OK... I as well need a little understaninding too. The GP i get completely. Making the mixture combustible with water mist is what i need clarification on. What i've gathered so far is that there are two ways to make water combustable in the engine. Please correct me if i'm wrong.

Could you make a combustable mixture by making a WFC and mixing hho with the air from the GP in the combustion chamber? Would you still have to negatively charge the hho or can the two gases be mixed and become combustable due to the unstability of both gasses. Granted, this is not what you're proposing in this forum but it would work right? That is what SM did originally before he invented the plug, right?

Or you can impose an negative voltage on water mist by exposing it to a negative (???) HV source like you're proposing.

Here is my issue. I'm trying to make this little experiment with over-the counter products so anyone can put one together with minimal machine work. I run into problems when i get to this darned injector. I know there are more than one way to skin cats but theres got to be a cheaper way to get charged water MIST in the engine than a custom machined injector.

I pretty much have my own plans and vendors for the GP and for a WFC (if needed). Injectors though are out of my league. Any thoughts?

One search gave me this. Is this something like what your refering to? Is this something the company has to apply? They say they'll make what you need. have you tried them? - Evaporated Coatings, Inc.

Your link is missing

sorry, I fixed that.

Looks like they do the coating in house but it could be promising.

Sometimes I get the feeling I am the only one that reads the patent:

I don't know about everyone else but I read that water has to be mixed with ionized air gas creating a "water-fuel mixture" before sending them too the igniter stage to be sparked off. For a mixture is two or more substances mixed together.

About the company posted they can not do what is needed, for the only way they can do it is to have the tube cut in half length wise, a direct line of site application, and that is a no go for the way I am using it. For that would cause voltage iregularities that would promote arcing, plus a hard to seal vacuum leak, and a place where if the coherent light hits it the light energy would be stopped in its tracks cold. So I redesigned around the problem taking the prototype back to the drawing board, kinda like taking a pharmaceutical pill back to formula, for all of the math calculations and design parameters/characteristics had to be completely redone.

If anybody has read the latest issue of Extraordinary Technology you will know that HHO has a tremendous negative potential, it will be coverred during Teslatech 2009. That is why you can ignite the water mist/HHO mix with the primed oxygen and get the big bang - ion engine means mating positive and negative sides.

Yes H2O, I said it 10 times at least, sorry, but it seems like nobody wants to receive this information. It is FUNDAMENTAL.

All the fancy words, forget them, this is the essence of the engine.

HI Gauss,
I believe in H2O but first to proceed to build the "water break system" I want to be sure that I have understand all. And at this point I ask to H2O.. Pratically you have apply Meyer concepts with success on gasoline 4 stroke engine? However I tink that, as I have previously written, Meyer system can be modified.. for example I don't think that Taylor cone can used for charge completely water but I think the way is hot vapour. In Meyer system this is created from steam resonator but I think we can use also an hydrosonic pump.. this pump produce some highly ionizer hot vapour and have COP >2 and can be connected to the engine directly. In fact this is the more important stage.. ionization of water is vey important because without it the reaction with air ionizer is very slow.. More peoples are convinced that injector is the only way.. I'm not sure about that.. I think in other solution, for each cylinder one "litte reactor" that produce hydrogen monoatomic.. In fact I think that HV field present into injector is responsable of transformation from H2 in H1.. Regards

That is a clear example as to why I don't force people to think in a set fassion, and tell them it can be done in many ways, for I think that will work too . For his thinking is very different than mine and as such will come up with a completely different way to do the same job, thus making the water for fuel technology all the more difficult to stop. Like I said before someone out there is bound to out do me.


h2opower.

HI H2O,
Thanks for reply me but surely I need more time for build my system, at this time I'm working on my own hydrosonic pump that include all stages.. of course.. my design is very different from original Griggs project but include inside all concepts described here.. Stage of ionizer hot pressure vapour is clear for me but I have in mind some ideas for final water charge section. I want to use corona effect with negative ions at >7KVDC no more voltage, circuit used can be the same of Kirlian, because I think this voltage is very sufficient with steam. My mind figure that I need more of one stage, in fact I think that are needed 4 stages for an complete negative ionization of steam.
My GP is different from Meyer (I attach here my design) .. Idea is every to use HV field and every kirlian circuit as positive ions including an section of photons and little magnetic field for stabilize reactions and stop the ozone creation.
Your suggestions are welcome.. Regards

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Of course.. I have posted only one own GP stage but I think , also for water charged, I need 5 stages in serie for obtain 5 electrons stripped.. 1e- more of water.. Regards

This is my idea of water steam processor.... 4 stages in serie with HV negative ionization. All suggestions are accepted. Regards

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