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Old 10-26-2008, 11:13 PM
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Radiant Free Energy By Ossie Callanan

Bodkins,

I was testing that design a couple months ago...

I'm thinking is like a hybrid between Bedini and Adams, looks normal when you've built Adams motor and Bedini Mechanical Osc, can be very efficient like the BMO + Bonus better torque on low rpm without sacrifice so much amp drawing, but in my test at least, adjusting Reed's position, can be necessary a oscilloscope to adjust it in higher eff. The idea here is make the oscillation permanently when the magnet is near to core, no totally switch on, that create many pulses but avoid high amp draw. (Like the Big Bedini Vertical two Rotor + 8 coils on DVD?)

The first inconvenient is to find a Reed with good high amp contacts, so, for me is better get update this design using Reed + Zener + MOSFET. But the use of transistor is a tricky in this design because is not Common Emitter. This advantage allow uses the energy produced by magnet pass, because Ie=Ib+Ic. Another idea that Iíve in my mind would be uses twice MOSFET like a half H-Bridge, this avoid us take completely the Radiant energy by using a FWR BRIDGE diodes without drain current from the source directly. This setup + Reeds setup by Ossie Callanan, would be catch totally the Radiant Energy without use twice copper wire.

On the attachments the design by me, and obviously many designs on the web or by Bedini and others is like this, including some design post it by radiant-1 some moths ago, but design by radiant-1 was a Bifilar coil, that design take power from the source directly like a wall transformer, the only way to isolate totally the coil form the source and take all Back EMF and radiant energy is using half bridge, and high speed switching mosfets. The only detail on my schematics is the problem to switch on and off with high precision both mosfet so using oscilloscope is possible correct that inconvenient or well using a mosfet driver.


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Old 10-27-2008, 03:48 AM
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Hi Patmac
Sorry my friend i can get a visual of the setup you have put so much energy into. Can you make a drawing with one of them thing they call.....MMMmmmm
...what is it now ahhhh I got! Its a pencil
Ossie`s Stuff was real good for me documented in a way anyone pickup and go!!!
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Old 10-27-2008, 01:59 PM
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Bodkins,

Now my motor Ossie style is working with one mosfet and one reed, I want to buy two identical mosfet to test the schematics designed by me (Half H-Bridge), to see more info and pictures of Original Ossie's work look on overunity.com username Ossie.

I've not high speed internet here in my home, I'll try to take a photos of my motor and I'll upload.

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Old 10-27-2008, 07:20 PM
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Hello!

Any ideas where a "crossover coil solenoid" can be purchased?
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Old 10-27-2008, 08:32 PM
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are you saying to me, can if use solenoid coil branded?

Yeah, maybe in audio stores or car tunning audio stores you can find them,
I've got one washer machine valve input on the junk.

Has 120 ohm, high, but works charging a capacitor with the SG jajaj.

I was testing Edwing Gray principle, you take the solenoid coil with core, you put a magnet on the core, and you connect the capacitor charged, more voltage is better, with 200 volts the magnet is like a pistol shoot..... This principle is usefull, this shoot with only 200voltsX200uf???.

Edwing Gray motor undoubtly high torque...
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Ohhhh.... an AUDIO crossover. Thanks.

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Old 10-29-2008, 03:37 AM
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Ossie Callanan----Lidmotor CFL circuit

Ossie is right! This does not have to be complicated to work. A solenoid coil will do the job just fine. I was amazed that it worked. I put this together in a rush with things that I had on hand. I added a CFL circuit to his and let the magic happen.


YouTube - Ossie Callanan--Lidmotor CFL Circuit



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Lid

You are the man.




Tool to design/build a solenoid coil
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Old 10-29-2008, 05:18 PM
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Build a custom coil for the Ossie

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Tool to design/build a solenoid coil
Solenoid Example
Thanks David,

I think that we can build a custom coil for the Ossis's charger quite easily. If you think about what is going on here it is very simple.

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Old 10-29-2008, 05:26 PM
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I think that we can build a custom coil for the Ossis's charger quite easily. If you think about what is going on here it is very simple.
Agreed!
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Old 10-29-2008, 06:34 PM
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oh, this is great!

I've been waiting to try Ossie's idea, but had to wait until I moved. I'm working on the REAC part of it and have been calling around to used battery places. All I can find so far are car batteries. Do you think that would work - is there anything in particular to look for?

I'm going to work on the Bedini part of it this week - already have the wheel and will work on the reed switches shortly.

I'm so glad you started this thread!

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Old 10-29-2008, 07:04 PM
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Hi all
Been working on the earth battery and after seeing lidmotor solid state Im going to cross the two.
Creating a magnetic field in the earth magnetic currects i think will increase the power of the charging potential. will set this up with a scope to get the oscillations going.
when i was using reac i had big dead batterys you need them to be dead thats all.
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Old 10-29-2008, 07:09 PM
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thanks!

Thanks, Bodkins.

I'll get the batteries this week then.

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Old 10-29-2008, 08:10 PM
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I noticed that in the Ossie Callanan schematic the reed switch is connected to the positive of the charging battery. But in the video of Doug Konzen, he states the reed switch should be connected to the negative of the charge battery.

Doug Konzen - Free Energy Pulse Motor - AOL Video

Here is another video of a circuit that uses a reed switch and it shows up on the negative side of the battery...
YouTube - Circuit, I hope I am not boring you


Thoughts?

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Old 10-30-2008, 03:40 AM
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The simple coil Ossie

Hey Guys,

I used a regular simple electromagnet on this Ossie circuit and it worked great I put everything on a small board and presto--a radiant charger/CFL. --that is quiet and easy to build. Here it is:

YouTube - Ossie Callanan--Lidmotor CFL Circuit #2

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Old 10-30-2008, 01:56 PM
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Another great video from 'Lidmotor Home-Productions Incorporated'

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I used a regular simple electromagnet on this Ossie circuit and it worked great I put everything on a small board and presto--a radiant charger/CFL. --that is quiet and easy to build. Here it is:

YouTube - Ossie Callanan--Lidmotor CFL Circuit #2
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Another great video from 'Lidmotor Home-Productions Incorporated'
I may be missing the point here Sir Lid, but surely Imhotep's Oscillating relay does everything we see here, except make noise!
What do you fella's think are the main benefits/differences and can we please have a clear diagram to help newcomers interested in building this?

Excellent work from everyone here and thanks to Patmac for introducing us all to Ossie Callanan's work.

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Old 10-30-2008, 02:33 PM
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He Lidmotor....

Good work, definitively the Ossie's setup is a good option to take advantages of Adams and Bedini.

I've been work hard on my motor.... Tricoil, but needing more copper my results last nigght are good:

Two Batt1 = 4aH, Batt2=2.5aH

Batt1= 12,53 volts
Batt2=12.63 volts

Then Batt1 running the motor by 6 hours
Both voltages were taken after one hour resting

Batt1 = 12.37 volts
Batt2 = 13.05 volts

Now Batt1 and Batt2 were inverted..... Later I'll re-edit this post with more results.

OK Bad news... the motor work well but 2.5aH batt is sulphated, only ran the motor by 45 mins and the motor only draws 110 ma. 4aH batt ran this motor by 6 hours and measured 12.37 volts so, perfectely 2.5aH batt can run this motor by 6 hours too.

I'm testing the batt to see if is possible desulphate it, now is connected on PC FAN Bedini. I think 20 hours can make the work... Sorry, if the battery does come back to live, I'll buy another and retest all the process....

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Old 10-30-2008, 06:15 PM
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Okay, but what is the implication of these experimental results?

I have not tested the solid-state version of Ossie's circuit, but I have been working on the mechanical version of Ossie's circuit. In my experimental setup, I also got one battery charging up with virtually no problem, while the voltage of the other battery was found decaying. But these results do not necessarily imply the system gains any free energy.

Any thought? Can we keep a system running perpetually without having to replace any of the batteries?





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He Lidmotor....

Good work, definitively the Ossie's setup is a good option to take advantages of Adams and Bedini.

I've been work hard on my motor.... Tricoil, but needing more copper my results last nigght are good:

Two Batt1 = 4aH, Batt2=2.5aH

Batt1= 12,53 volts
Batt2=12.63 volts

Then Batt1 running the motor by 6 hours
Both voltages were taken after one hour resting

Batt1 = 12.37 volts
Batt2 = 13.05 volts

Now Batt1 and Batt2 were inverted..... Later I'll re-edit this post with more results.
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Old 10-30-2008, 06:36 PM
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Okay, what about the source battery?
Does the voltage of the source battery stay constant for as long as you wish?


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Ossie is right! This does not have to be complicated to work. A solenoid coil will do the job just fine. I was amazed that it worked. I put this together in a rush with things that I had on hand. I added a CFL circuit to his and let the magic happen.


YouTube - Ossie Callanan--Lidmotor CFL Circuit



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Old 10-30-2008, 07:38 PM
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Another comment: There is no point to measure the current of the circuit using a multi-meter. The reason is because there is no pure dc nor any pure sinusoidal ac in the circuit. I stand to be corrected.
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Old 10-30-2008, 10:19 PM
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But- But --Why are we doing this???

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Okay, what about the source battery?
Does the voltage of the source battery stay constant for as long as you wish?
Anut,

Those are all valid questions. The truth is that I'm doing these experiments perhaps for different reasons than others. I'm after efficiency in a lighting system. The Imhotep Radiant Oscillator Lite project has spun off in several directions. The reason I came over to this thread was to try out Ossie's circuit on the CFL light, present it here, and see what people thought about the idea.

The way that I am using Ossie's circuit is not to acheive an OU situation. This design to me is another way to produce radiant energy charging and another way to light up a modified CFL. If I can produce usable light and recover SOME of the energy at the same time ----that is all I'm after.
As far as what energy is going in vs what is going out--you are right about the digital meters. They lie. Not their fault. They just can't do it very well on these circuits. Analogue meters are better. The digitals do give some idea of what is happening and that is all you can expect.

Byjove, Here is Ossie's reed switch circuit and my modification of it to run the CFL. The second part of his design (the energy capture part) and the rotor part of the charger, I have not built. Today I ran my little reed switch unit hard and overheated the electromagnet coil with too much amp draw. I didn't kill the poor little thing but I think that I hurt its feelings. It wouldn't run again until it cooled down.

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REAC - Ossie Callanan

Today I set up the REAC battery bank (4 batteries) just as on the schematic... something about the connections seemed wrong.

Within 15 seconds, the charging battery was spewing acid out of the caps.

Has anybody else set this up successfully?
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REAC - Ossie Callanan

Today I set up the REAC battery bank (4 batteries) just as on the schematic... something about the connections seemed wrong.

Within 15 seconds, the charging battery was spewing acid out of the caps.

Has anybody else set this up successfully?
I had lots of really dead beatup(by me)batterys if you can charge any of the reac batterys you floors going to get wet!
What i see is when you try and charge a dead dead battery the volts go up really high really fast(in secords). best one battery i got for the reac what one i pickup from the side of the road. 3volts put it on charge i think i got 20 volts flying all over the place.
LOL your charge acid spewer is now you first reac one
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Byjove, Here is Ossie's reed switch circuit and my modification of it to run the CFL. The second part of his design (the energy capture part) and the rotor part of the charger, I have not built. Today I ran my little reed switch unit hard and overheated the electromagnet coil with too much amp draw. I didn't kill the poor little thing but I think that I hurt its feelings. It wouldn't run again until it cooled down.

Lidmotor
Thanks Sir Lid!

Can you tell us what problems you had to overcome before getting good success with the cfl? I have watched your videos and followed the threads and tonight I finally got around to trying the Bedini/Imhotep fan with an ignition coil and also a transformer, but the results are not satisfactory. I've used a variac and pot to adjust current draw, but I'm not a happy bunny.

Major problem is getting a good light output. When I get good white light output, it is pulsing too much and using over 100mA.

I want to go through all the different stages and experiment, before I try the Ossie rotor-less idea.

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Hey, Bedini has one motor called window motor, highly efficient run with a big capacitor by months, is full overunity if you look the work on the shaft.

The multimeter was used, but with the batt DISCONNECTED AND ONE HOUR AFTER RESTING.

And one comment to you: Bedini for example use analog ampmeter, the digital mult meter works too if the circuit no has GAP - SPARK, if the neon is flashing digital meter goes crazy. But if you put the charge batt works perfectly. I've tested this procedure by using 1ohm resistor and reads the same values in mVolts that on amp meter mode.

You must remember that battery is a chemical process no electrical, NO MECHANNICAL - NO THERMO DYNAMICS
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Thanks.

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Old 10-31-2008, 03:18 AM
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Bright light CFL with low amps-----Hummmm

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Thanks Sir Lid!

Can you tell us what problems you had to overcome before getting good success with the cfl? I have watched your videos and followed the threads and tonight I finally got around to trying the Bedini/Imhotep fan with an ignition coil and also a transformer, but the results are not satisfactory. I've used a variac and pot to adjust current draw, but I'm not a happy bunny.

Major problem is getting a good light output. When I get good white light output, it is pulsing too much and using over 100mA.

I want to go through all the different stages and experiment, before I try the Ossie rotor-less idea.

By Jove!
Byjove,

You have just discovered the reason that we are still working on this project. The group has tried many things. It boils down to how much energy do you want to spend on how much light --and do you mind listening to a buzzzz while it is happening. You get more light with more amps or more voltage. And don't forget about the charging aspect. You are getting some of your energy back.
If you can get good light(enough to read by) for under 1/2 an amp then you are doing good.


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Old 10-31-2008, 04:26 AM
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I have done some rough experiments on the REAC idea before. The batteries I used are Ni-MH rechargeable batteries. My experimental results are:

The charging battery got charged up much faster. As usual, the source battery was discharging, but I cannot tell at this stage whether the discharging rate was faster or not.



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Today I set up the REAC battery bank (4 batteries) just as on the schematic... something about the connections seemed wrong.

Within 15 seconds, the charging battery was spewing acid out of the caps.

Has anybody else set this up successfully?

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Old 10-31-2008, 04:58 AM
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The reason why I brought up the issue of OU is because, during my experiments, the discharging rate of the source battery is not zero, or close to zero, even though the amp draw may be in the order of nano amperes.

CFL lamps (or other gas-discharge lamps) are negative resistance devices. They do not require too much power (or current) to operate. In most cases, a negative resistance device can be mathematically modeled as a system containing one or more subharmonic current generators.

Most of the systems we have tested involve inductive collapses, each of which normally lasts for a fraction of microsecond. I am not sure whether the current shown in a multimeter is dc, or ac, or the rms of a square wave. I don't think it is easy to tell how much power it consumes or recovers until we examine the output waveform.




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Anut,

Those are all valid questions. The truth is that I'm doing these experiments perhaps for different reasons than others. I'm after efficiency in a lighting system. The Imhotep Radiant Oscillator Lite project has spun off in several directions. The reason I came over to this thread was to try out Ossie's circuit on the CFL light, present it here, and see what people thought about the idea.

The way that I am using Ossie's circuit is not to acheive an OU situation. This design to me is another way to produce radiant energy charging and another way to light up a modified CFL. If I can produce usable light and recover SOME of the energy at the same time ----that is all I'm after.
As far as what energy is going in vs what is going out--you are right about the digital meters. They lie. Not their fault. They just can't do it very well on these circuits. Analogue meters are better. The digitals do give some idea of what is happening and that is all you can expect.

Byjove, Here is Ossie's reed switch circuit and my modification of it to run the CFL. The second part of his design (the energy capture part) and the rotor part of the charger, I have not built. Today I ran my little reed switch unit hard and overheated the electromagnet coil with too much amp draw. I didn't kill the poor little thing but I think that I hurt its feelings. It wouldn't run again until it cooled down.

Lidmotor

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Old 10-31-2008, 06:55 AM
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Anut,
It sounds like you know alot more than I on this subject. From what I have learned so far one has to do load testing front and back to tell what is happening. Mart Hale has done alot of this and runs a computer program to graph it. When you use big batteries the testing is difficult because the time envolved to charge and discharge the batteries is long. If you use too small a battery then the energy capture is poor. All I can say is that the source battery drains down and the charge battery/batteries fill up. Build a good device, test em, and see what happens. Don't expect to start selling electricity to the power company any time soon.

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